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Are hot dogs sandwiches?
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The word "butty" (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches) is common in some northern parts of England as a slang synonym for "sandwich", particularly to refer to certain kinds of sandwiches including the chip butty, bacon butty, or sausage butty, though some people make the distinction that a butty is made using a single buttered slice, folded over rather than cut. "Sarnie" is a similar colloquialism. Likewise, the words "sanger" and "piece" are used for sandwich in Scottish dialect; regarding the latter, an example of the use of "piece" is "piece and ham", meaning "piece of bread and ham".
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pubby wrote:what the hell is wrong with people
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pubby wrote:The word "butty" (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches) is common in some northern parts of England as a slang synonym for "sandwich", particularly to refer to certain kinds of sandwiches including the chip butty, bacon butty, or sausage butty, though some people make the distinction that a butty is made using a single buttered slice, folded over rather than cut. "Sarnie" is a similar colloquialism. Likewise, the words "sanger" and "piece" are used for sandwich in Scottish dialect; regarding the latter, an example of the use of "piece" is "piece and ham", meaning "piece of bread and ham".
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luckless wrote:look, I'm sure you can find someone who CALLS a gyro a "gyro sandwich." I bet you can even find someone who calls two slices of pizza slapped facedown together a pizza sandwich. that doesn't make it right.
I mean, there are MANY things that are called sandwiches and yet are in no sense sandwiches. (of these, many are kinda NSFW but imo that's instructive.)
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VeryAngryFelid wrote:offtopic
I was surprised when I saw "grinder" in a menu for the first time since I knew the word from crawl only.
American/Mexican terms are hard for foreigners with all those sandwiches, burgers, hoagies, wraps, gyros, burritos, tacos, quesadillas and triple-decks
During this period, Thordendal, who was working as a carpenter, severed the tip of his left middle finger, while Haake injured his hand in a grinder accident.[2][11] As a result, the band was unable to perform for several months. Thordendal's fingertip was later reattached, and he went on to make a full recovery.[4] The Selfcaged EP was recorded in April and May 1994, but its release was delayed to later in 1995 due to the accidents.[2][4]
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ZipZipskins wrote:Are you joking, gyro meat served in a pita is a sandwich. It's called a gyro sandwich for crying out shit.
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Shard1697 wrote:no, it's not called a "gyro sandwich", it's called a "gyro"ZipZipskins wrote:Are you joking, gyro meat served in a pita is a sandwich. It's called a gyro sandwich for crying out shit.
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pubby wrote:The word "butty" (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches) is common in some northern parts of England as a slang synonym for "sandwich", particularly to refer to certain kinds of sandwiches including the chip butty, bacon butty, or sausage butty, though some people make the distinction that a butty is made using a single buttered slice, folded over rather than cut. "Sarnie" is a similar colloquialism. Likewise, the words "sanger" and "piece" are used for sandwich in Scottish dialect; regarding the latter, an example of the use of "piece" is "piece and ham", meaning "piece of bread and ham".
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Define 'cutting planes' as the set of geometric planes that pass through the unit under question that divide the unit into natural subsections, such as slices or halves, for serving.
For sub sandwiches and hot dogs, the cutting planes would run along the length of the unit (translations along the secondary axis), whereas for regular sandwich types, pies, or pizzas, the cutting planes would run radially around the unit, passing through the center (rotations about the primary axis).
Define the 'primary axis' as a line which is parallel to each cutting plane. Additionally, the primary axis or some translation of the primary axis along the secondary axis must be contained in each cutting plane.
Most primary axes will be downward ('into' if viewing from above) and straight through the center. This may not be true for some types, like a hardshell taco, which sits upright perpendicular to its primary axis (which is through both sides of the shell).
Define the 'secondary axis' as a line perpendicular to and intersecting the primary axis. Its orientation matters only for things like subs which have cutting planes that are translations along the secondary axis. For pizzas or pies or other types cut radially, there is no distinction between the secondary and tertiary axis. Note that the position of the secondary axis along the primary axis is not specifically defined, rather it is set as needed for fulfilling condition 2 of the following sandwich definition.
The secondary axis of a hot dog is straight through the meat. The orientation of the secondary axis for a hamburger is through the meat at any angle.
Define the 'tertiary axis' as a line perpendicular to both the primary and secondary axes, and intersecting both. Once the other two are defined this one is easy to grasp, as there is only one line it could be. Note that the height of the tertiary axis is necessarily linked to the secondary axis' height.
Define 'bread' as an edible foodstuff which is generally used to make holding or containing the filling easier. It will usually be a wheat or other starch product, but this is not necessarily true. Do not confuse this term with the dictionary definition of bread.
Define 'filling' as a set of edible things, each of which cannot be the same substance as the bread in any given case. The set may contain meat, lettuce, and cheese, for example.
Now, with the definitions out of the way, we can get to the theory:
Something is a sandwich if it satisfies either of these two conditions:
1. The primary axis passes through bread-filling-bread (it may pass through filling-bread-filling-bread, etc. so long as it passes through that combination anywhere).
2. The secondary axis passes through only filling, and the tertiary axis passes through bread-filling-bread. Note that the height of the secondary axis is not set, as previously mentioned. So long as any possible height of the secondary axis along the primary axis works, this condition is satisfied.
And here are some examples:
A traditional sandwich is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A wrap is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A calzone is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A hot dog is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A hard-shell taco is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A pizza is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open (no crust on top) pie is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A regular (non-filled) doughnut is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open-face sandwich is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A closed (crust on top) pie is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A filled doughnut is a sandwich (by condition 1)
Cake with at least one layer of embedded frosting is a sandwich (by condition 1)
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Croases wrote:A hot dog is a kind of tapeworm that evolved to resemble an edible object so that it can easily gain access to human intestines, where it reproduces.
After you eat a hot dog, its eggs will hatch in your digestive system and 2-3 weeks later the baby hot dogs will crawl out of your anus, place themselves on any conveniently located kitchen table, and wait to be eaten in order to repeat their life cycle.
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Veras wrote:Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.Define 'cutting planes' as the set of geometric planes that pass through the unit under question that divide the unit into natural subsections, such as slices or halves, for serving.
For sub sandwiches and hot dogs, the cutting planes would run along the length of the unit (translations along the secondary axis), whereas for regular sandwich types, pies, or pizzas, the cutting planes would run radially around the unit, passing through the center (rotations about the primary axis).
Define the 'primary axis' as a line which is parallel to each cutting plane. Additionally, the primary axis or some translation of the primary axis along the secondary axis must be contained in each cutting plane.
Most primary axes will be downward ('into' if viewing from above) and straight through the center. This may not be true for some types, like a hardshell taco, which sits upright perpendicular to its primary axis (which is through both sides of the shell).
Define the 'secondary axis' as a line perpendicular to and intersecting the primary axis. Its orientation matters only for things like subs which have cutting planes that are translations along the secondary axis. For pizzas or pies or other types cut radially, there is no distinction between the secondary and tertiary axis. Note that the position of the secondary axis along the primary axis is not specifically defined, rather it is set as needed for fulfilling condition 2 of the following sandwich definition.
The secondary axis of a hot dog is straight through the meat. The orientation of the secondary axis for a hamburger is through the meat at any angle.
Define the 'tertiary axis' as a line perpendicular to both the primary and secondary axes, and intersecting both. Once the other two are defined this one is easy to grasp, as there is only one line it could be. Note that the height of the tertiary axis is necessarily linked to the secondary axis' height.
Define 'bread' as an edible foodstuff which is generally used to make holding or containing the filling easier. It will usually be a wheat or other starch product, but this is not necessarily true. Do not confuse this term with the dictionary definition of bread.
Define 'filling' as a set of edible things, each of which cannot be the same substance as the bread in any given case. The set may contain meat, lettuce, and cheese, for example.
Now, with the definitions out of the way, we can get to the theory:
Something is a sandwich if it satisfies either of these two conditions:
1. The primary axis passes through bread-filling-bread (it may pass through filling-bread-filling-bread, etc. so long as it passes through that combination anywhere).
2. The secondary axis passes through only filling, and the tertiary axis passes through bread-filling-bread. Note that the height of the secondary axis is not set, as previously mentioned. So long as any possible height of the secondary axis along the primary axis works, this condition is satisfied.
And here are some examples:
A traditional sandwich is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A wrap is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A calzone is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A hot dog is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A hard-shell taco is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A pizza is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open (no crust on top) pie is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A regular (non-filled) doughnut is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open-face sandwich is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A closed (crust on top) pie is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A filled doughnut is a sandwich (by condition 1)
Cake with at least one layer of embedded frosting is a sandwich (by condition 1)
Admittedly, it attempts to be axiomatic but some of the examples at the end can be hard to stomach. So maybe the ruleset is in need of further work.
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Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote:Obviously a hotdog is not a sandwich, and there is absolutely nothing else to say about this question or about what it would mean to answer it.
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Veras wrote:Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.
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ZipZipskins wrote:Veras wrote:Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.
Wow that's an incredible amount of effort for fuck-all, have you been to or considered graduate school
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Arrhythmia wrote:ZipZipskins wrote:Veras wrote:Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.
Wow that's an incredible amount of effort for fuck-all, have you been to or considered graduate school
if he's saying shit like cakes are sandwiches than i can take a fucking guess
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Arrhythmia wrote:ZipZipskins wrote:Veras wrote:Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.
Wow that's an incredible amount of effort for fuck-all, have you been to or considered graduate school
if he's saying shit like cakes are sandwiches than i can take a fucking guess
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phloomp wrote:CompareErgo, a hotdog is not a sandwich.
- "BLT sandwich": It sounds redundant, but you would not interpret it as anything other than a BLT
- "Hotdog sandwich"" You know exactly what this means, and it is not a standard-configuration hotdog
Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote:Obviously a hotdog is not a sandwich, and there is absolutely nothing else to say about this question or about what it would mean to answer it.
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phloomp wrote:Your argument doesn't address the [I]difference [\i]between "BLT sandwich" and "hotdog sandwich". BLT is synecdoche as well.
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Shard1697 wrote:if anyone told me irl that a wrap, calzone, hot dog, taco, pie or cake is a sandwich I would kick them in the balls on the spot
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