Would you use this?


If it doesn't fit anywhere else, it belongs here. Also, come here if you just need to get hammered.

Vaults Vanquisher

Posts: 467

Joined: Wednesday, 25th May 2016, 23:37

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:00

Would you use this?

Would you use this hypothetical artifact on a melee brute?
+23 crystal plate mail of Dipocw Slay+8 Str+12 Dex+12 Int+12 rF+ rC+ rN+ rElec rPois *Rage -Tele

Dungeon Master

Posts: 1051

Joined: Thursday, 12th June 2014, 05:19

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:11

Re: Would you use this?

of course.

For this message the author PleasingFungus has received thanks: 3
Arrhythmia, nago, Sar

Abyss Ambulator

Posts: 1233

Joined: Wednesday, 23rd April 2014, 21:57

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:14

Re: Would you use this?

I'd use that even on most 'casters' probably.

For this message the author 4Hooves2Appendages has received thanks:
nago
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1891

Joined: Monday, 1st April 2013, 04:41

Location: Toronto, Canada

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:20

Re: Would you use this?

hmm... no MR. PASS op.
take it easy

For this message the author Arrhythmia has received thanks: 2
and into, nago
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1698

Joined: Saturday, 18th June 2016, 13:57

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:38

Re: Would you use this?

Image
I Feel the Need--the Need for Beer
Spoiler: show
3DSBeTr 15DSFiRu 3DSMoNe 3FoHuGo 3TrArOk 3HOFEVe 3MfGlOk 4GrEEVe 3BaIEChei 3HuMoOka 3MiWnQaz 3VSFiAsh 3DrTmMakh 3DSCKXom 3OgMoOka 3NaFiOka 3FoFiOka 3MuFEVeh 3CeHuOka 3TrMoTSO 3DEFESif 3DSMoOka 3DSFiOka

For this message the author Shtopit has received thanks: 5
Arrhythmia, chequers, nago, PleasingFungus, scorpionwarrior

Vaults Vanquisher

Posts: 467

Joined: Wednesday, 25th May 2016, 23:37

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:42

Re: Would you use this?

But it has *Rage and -Tele, could easily kill you.

Crypt Cleanser

Posts: 689

Joined: Saturday, 12th December 2015, 23:54

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:44

Re: Would you use this?

No worries, I will just god swap to ash and learn passage of golubria :^)

Abyss Ambulator

Posts: 1193

Joined: Friday, 16th January 2015, 20:20

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:30

Re: Would you use this?

arandomperson12 wrote:But it has *Rage and -Tele, could easily kill you.

It has 37+ AC and resists, which prevent being easily killed.

Barkeep

Posts: 3890

Joined: Wednesday, 14th August 2013, 23:25

Location: USA

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:44

Re: Would you use this?

Unless it was very recently changed, you can "easily" suppress *Rage by "just" keeping your satiation at sufficiently low levels. (Yes this is terrible and should not be possible.)

Or wear stasis.

In any event, going berserk occasionally is much easier to swallow if your body armor is by itself giving you +37 AC with 0 training, nearly Chei-level stat boosts, and a ton of resistances to boot.

Teleportation is a nice fallback, for sure, but there are other ways to deal with bad situations, and having +37 AC with 0 training, nearly Chei-level stat boosts, and resists will have a pretty remarkable effect in terms of preventing bad situations.

For this message the author and into has received thanks: 2
nago, scorpionwarrior

Swamp Slogger

Posts: 160

Joined: Sunday, 17th July 2016, 05:35

Location: Vancouver, WA

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:47

Re: Would you use this?

Not to mention you don't even have to use Chei.

Yeah I'd take this, I'd love this, and I'd ride it to victory because if you die while wearing this you don't deserve to win.
Wins: MiFi(6,15), MiBe(11), SpEn(11), DDHu(3), GrEE(3), GnEE(6), VpEn(15)

For this message the author Queen Cassie has received thanks:
and into

Barkeep

Posts: 3890

Joined: Wednesday, 14th August 2013, 23:25

Location: USA

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:54

Re: Would you use this?

Yeah, I meant (roughly) same level of boost as Chei gives. (Edited post to clarify.)

In other news, Maxwell's patent armour is also pretty damn good for a lot of characters.

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 8786

Joined: Sunday, 5th May 2013, 08:25

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 20:10

Re: Would you use this?

Spoiler: show
Image
Last edited by duvessa on Saturday, 27th August 2016, 23:29, edited 1 time in total.

For this message the author duvessa has received thanks: 2
nago, scorpionwarrior
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1891

Joined: Monday, 1st April 2013, 04:41

Location: Toronto, Canada

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 22:11

Re: Would you use this?

duvessa wrote:
Spoiler: show
Image


impressively broken bb code.
take it easy
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1698

Joined: Saturday, 18th June 2016, 13:57

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 22:12

Re: Would you use this?

Maybe it comes from a website with methods against direct linking of images? I saw the image earlier.
I Feel the Need--the Need for Beer
Spoiler: show
3DSBeTr 15DSFiRu 3DSMoNe 3FoHuGo 3TrArOk 3HOFEVe 3MfGlOk 4GrEEVe 3BaIEChei 3HuMoOka 3MiWnQaz 3VSFiAsh 3DrTmMakh 3DSCKXom 3OgMoOka 3NaFiOka 3FoFiOka 3MuFEVeh 3CeHuOka 3TrMoTSO 3DEFESif 3DSMoOka 3DSFiOka
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1762

Joined: Monday, 14th October 2013, 01:05

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 22:20

Re: Would you use this?

arandomperson12 wrote:But it has *Rage and -Tele, could easily kill you.
Not if you pay attention to the fights you're getting into, with that much AC!

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 8786

Joined: Sunday, 5th May 2013, 08:25

Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 23:30

Re: Would you use this?

Shtopit wrote:Maybe it comes from a website with methods against direct linking of images? I saw the image earlier.
not a deliberate method against hotlinks, just a piece of shitty programming that I forgot about. fixed it now

For this message the author duvessa has received thanks:
Arrhythmia
User avatar

Blades Runner

Posts: 546

Joined: Friday, 2nd October 2015, 14:42

Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 01:58

Re: Would you use this?

Hm, it turns your character into an invincible killing machine, but also you can't teleport... let me think about this...
The Original Discourse Respecter

Sar

User avatar

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 6418

Joined: Friday, 6th July 2012, 12:48

Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 02:01

Re: Would you use this?

To be fair, it's probably slightly worse in postend.
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1891

Joined: Monday, 1st April 2013, 04:41

Location: Toronto, Canada

Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 02:04

Re: Would you use this?

Plus, when I fuck up and die, I can blame the death on this! It's perfect!
take it easy

For this message the author Arrhythmia has received thanks: 4
and into, Brannock, scorpionwarrior, VeryAngryFelid
User avatar

Abyss Ambulator

Posts: 1194

Joined: Friday, 18th April 2014, 01:41

Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 03:32

Re: Would you use this?

Of course, I can just pretend that I am a formicid except with *rage. Formicids are not that bad. I can still cast Passage.
remove food

Swamp Slogger

Posts: 160

Joined: Sunday, 17th July 2016, 05:35

Location: Vancouver, WA

Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 03:35

Re: Would you use this?

Petition for this item to be the subject of a new sprint, on account of its too awesome not to be in the game but being in the main game would be ridiculously OP, to be blunt.
Wins: MiFi(6,15), MiBe(11), SpEn(11), DDHu(3), GrEE(3), GnEE(6), VpEn(15)

Crypt Cleanser

Posts: 714

Joined: Saturday, 5th December 2015, 06:56

Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 06:21

Re: Would you use this?

I would probably swap for a non *Rage-Tele armor at some point, but it'd be really late in the game. Like Hells or Pan late. Where hellfire+torment+smiting become commonplace.

Blades Runner

Posts: 536

Joined: Friday, 1st April 2016, 18:15

Post Monday, 29th August 2016, 19:09

Re: Would you use this?

I play lots of formicids. That armor would make me wet my pants if I found it on a Fo. It's like Chei, except no drawbacks.
twelwe wrote:It's like Blink, but you end up drowning.
User avatar

Swamp Slogger

Posts: 181

Joined: Wednesday, 18th March 2015, 21:13

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 16:29

Re: Would you use this?

jwoodward48ss wrote:I play lots of formicids. That armor would make me wet my pants if I found it on a Fo. It's like Chei, except no drawbacks.

same but id probably faint
Formicid Lyfe

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 17:14

Re: Would you use this?

No. I died with Maxwell's plate before and this armour is worse than Maxwell's.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
Twin account of Sandman25

Swamp Slogger

Posts: 160

Joined: Sunday, 17th July 2016, 05:35

Location: Vancouver, WA

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 17:53

Re: Would you use this?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:No. I died with Maxwell's plate before and this armour is worse than Maxwell's.

How is this worse than Maxwell's?
Wins: MiFi(6,15), MiBe(11), SpEn(11), DDHu(3), GrEE(3), GnEE(6), VpEn(15)
User avatar

Dis Charger

Posts: 2057

Joined: Wednesday, 7th August 2013, 08:25

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 18:19

Re: Would you use this?

Nope. I'm a cat. What's armour?
I'm beginning to feel like a Cat God! Felid streaks: {FeVM^Sif Muna, FeWn^Dithmenos, FeAr^Pakellas}, {FeEE^Ashenzari, FeEn^Gozag, FeNe^Sif Muna, FeAE^Vehumet...(ongoing)}

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 18:24

Re: Would you use this?

Queen Cassie wrote:How is this worse than Maxwell's?


Maxwell's does not have *Rage.
-Tele and *Rage are the most dangerous things in the whole game, both prevent you from reading a scroll of blinking.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
Twin account of Sandman25
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1762

Joined: Monday, 14th October 2013, 01:05

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 18:56

Re: Would you use this?

It's also +23, +8 slaying and +12 to each stat...

For this message the author Shard1697 has received thanks: 4
Arrhythmia, Lasiace, nago, PleasingFungus

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 19:17

Re: Would you use this?

Shard1697 wrote:It's also +23, +8 slaying and +12 to each stat...


So? All those bonuses can be useless when you die.
If I remember correct, I died to some fiend in Elf 3. With any other armour I would just read a scroll of blinking.
Scroll of blinking makes death impossible unless you have -Tele or are berserking and this armour has both.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
Twin account of Sandman25
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1762

Joined: Monday, 14th October 2013, 01:05

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 19:27

Re: Would you use this?

If you die on elf 3 wearing that armor, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment. It's not the armor's fault that you got yourself into a situation so bad that you needed to blink despite having +23 crystal plate, huge stats, and huge slaying.

For this message the author Shard1697 has received thanks:
nago

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 19:41

Re: Would you use this?

Shard1697 wrote:If you die on elf 3 wearing that armor, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment. It's not the armor's fault that you got yourself into a situation so bad that you needed to blink despite having +23 crystal plate, huge stats, and huge slaying.


Of course I agree. My point is exactly that, I am more likely to die in that armour than in +5 plate because the latter does not kill me for mistakes.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
Twin account of Sandman25

Blades Runner

Posts: 536

Joined: Friday, 1st April 2016, 18:15

Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 22:47

Re: Would you use this?

But it's a lot harder to make a mistake in this armour. And you can still die in +5 plate. (P_death if mistake in armour a)*(P_mistake in armour a) < (P_death if mistake in armour b)*(P_mistake in armour b), where a is the supergood -TELE and b is the uberdumb plate. Although mistakes are more deadly, there are less of them. It's statistics - this uber-TELE could still be good.
twelwe wrote:It's like Blink, but you end up drowning.
User avatar

Blades Runner

Posts: 546

Joined: Friday, 2nd October 2015, 14:42

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 01:40

Re: Would you use this?

In +23 plate with +12 to all stats, there are no mistakes. Just happy little accidents.
The Original Discourse Respecter
User avatar

Blades Runner

Posts: 546

Joined: Friday, 2nd October 2015, 14:42

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 01:42

Re: Would you use this?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:So? All those bonuses can be useless when you die.


450 hp? 40 str? +24 slaying? 90 ac? None of that means SHIT when you're dead, kid.
The Original Discourse Respecter

Swamp Slogger

Posts: 160

Joined: Sunday, 17th July 2016, 05:35

Location: Vancouver, WA

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 05:50

Re: Would you use this?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:
Queen Cassie wrote:How is this worse than Maxwell's?


Maxwell's does not have *Rage.
-Tele and *Rage are the most dangerous things in the whole game, both prevent you from reading a scroll of blinking.

*Rage is easily controlled. -Tele cannot be controlled. Ergo -Tele is worse ergo Maxwell's Plate is worse. QED.
Wins: MiFi(6,15), MiBe(11), SpEn(11), DDHu(3), GrEE(3), GnEE(6), VpEn(15)

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:41

Re: Would you use this?

jwoodward48ss wrote:But it's a lot harder to make a mistake in this armour. And you can still die in +5 plate. (P_death if mistake in armour a)*(P_mistake in armour a) < (P_death if mistake in armour b)*(P_mistake in armour b), where a is the supergood -TELE and b is the uberdumb plate. Although mistakes are more deadly, there are less of them. It's statistics - this uber-TELE could still be good.


No, I cannot die in +5 plate (or any other armour, even a -2 robe) as long as I have at least one scroll of blinking.

Edit. My current character is DgTm with Blade Hands and +6 MDA and Dragon Form with some very good rings, one of them has -Tele. I felt OP until I had a row of unlucky rolls in a single turn and needed to blink and that 0.5 delay was very bad. After that I dropped the ring and never looked back. With -Tele body armour I would probably die. Some monsters have potential to deal 30-50% player HP damage in a single turn.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
Twin account of Sandman25
User avatar

Tartarus Sorceror

Posts: 1698

Joined: Saturday, 18th June 2016, 13:57

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:48

Re: Would you use this?

I cannot die in a +5 plate, as long as I am a Draconian.
I Feel the Need--the Need for Beer
Spoiler: show
3DSBeTr 15DSFiRu 3DSMoNe 3FoHuGo 3TrArOk 3HOFEVe 3MfGlOk 4GrEEVe 3BaIEChei 3HuMoOka 3MiWnQaz 3VSFiAsh 3DrTmMakh 3DSCKXom 3OgMoOka 3NaFiOka 3FoFiOka 3MuFEVeh 3CeHuOka 3TrMoTSO 3DEFESif 3DSMoOka 3DSFiOka

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:49

Re: Would you use this?

goodcoolguy wrote:
VeryAngryFelid wrote:So? All those bonuses can be useless when you die.


450 hp? 40 str? +24 slaying? 90 ac? None of that means SHIT when you're dead, kid.


You are the kid if you put 450 hp in the same category with other bonuses.
If the armour was a robe which gave nothing but +100 HP, I would use it.

Edit. Also you missed my point. For example, slaying is obviously useless on melee character when you died to ranged attack, AC is almost useless vs LCS, Iron shot and Orb of Fire.
Last edited by VeryAngryFelid on Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 14:00, edited 2 times in total.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
Twin account of Sandman25

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:51

Re: Would you use this?

Queen Cassie wrote:*Rage is easily controlled. -Tele cannot be controlled. Ergo -Tele is worse ergo Maxwell's Plate is worse. QED.


I don't want to "easily" control. I want to enjoy the game, not count calories.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
Twin account of Sandman25
User avatar

Vaults Vanquisher

Posts: 510

Joined: Friday, 1st July 2016, 22:32

Location: Aachen, Germany

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 14:19

Re: Would you use this?

Shard1697 wrote:If you die on elf 3 wearing that armor, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment. It's not the armor's fault that you got yourself into a situation so bad that you needed to blink despite having +23 crystal plate, huge stats, and huge slaying.

If you die in Crawl, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment.

Spider Stomper

Posts: 247

Joined: Friday, 5th August 2011, 13:18

Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 15:09

Re: Would you use this?

OP should win an honorary greatrace: Tr for this post.

Return to Crazy Yiuf's Corner

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 51 guests

cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by ST Software for PTF.