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Crossbows are very accurate as a weapon class. They are also highly damaging.
Hand Crossbows are an excellent early game weapon with minimal investment and allow use of a shield. All this with far superior damage to a short bow, nearly as much as a long bow in fact, if you include the ammunition damage difference.
Triple Crossbows are insane, if you can invest enough in the skill (otherwise they are incredibly slow).
The above suggests that Crossbows are an excellent secondary weapon for a melee character or late-game specialist. Crossbow accuracy means that you can sink stat points into STR (for damage and armor) or INT (for spells!) without missing much - after all, if you're a ranged specialist, you (hopefully) won't need to dodge much. The main problem with Crossbows is the lack of a reliable early source of ammunition, imo. Well, that and high min delay, but that's offset by the good to huge base damage (which also makes them superior against high AC).
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dynast wrote:OBVIOUSLY they can be useful for THOSE TWO RACES, and maybe spriggan.
Right, and this is how I used them before the removal of penetration too. Longbows always were superior, nothing changed IMHO.
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Slings are pretty great early on though, they just fall off so hard later. So I use slings a lot, I just don't train them.
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But yea, slings are pretty darn weak, especially later on.
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Why are slings so weak late game, anyway? It's like the Short Blades of ranged, without Stabbing.
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duvessa wrote:don't worry, slings are bad early game too
Untrained hunting slings are pretty good compared to untrained stone throwing, short bows or hand crossbows, of course winning a competition among those options isn't exactly impressive.
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I assume slings get bad late game because halflings are good at slings, and we wouldn't want halflings using good weapons
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dowan wrote:I think at least 75% of tavern discussions could be held by bots programmed with the user's typical replies, and an outside observer wouldn't notice the difference. Hell, I was replaced with a bot YEARS ago, and nobody seems to have noticed yet.
That's because bots here are not programmed to recognize bots. At least I am not. Maybe Sandman26 will.
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Sandman25 wrote:dowan wrote:I think at least 75% of tavern discussions could be held by bots programmed with the user's typical replies, and an outside observer wouldn't notice the difference. Hell, I was replaced with a bot YEARS ago, and nobody seems to have noticed yet.
That's because bots here are not programmed to recognize bots. At least I am not. Maybe Sandman26 will.
Wait until bots can travel in time. Then we can have Terminators built to kill older bots and stop them before they can post.
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Sandman25 wrote:I believe time travel will never be possible.
Well depending on how you interpret "time travel" all travel is "time travel" in that subjective time passes more slowly the faster you move relative to the thing you are moving faster than, so you effectively move a very tiny amount into the future (relative to things that didn't move) every time you travel.
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Siegurt wrote:Sandman25 wrote:I believe time travel will never be possible.
Well depending on how you interpret "time travel" all travel is "time travel" in that subjective time passes more slowly the faster you move relative to the thing you are moving faster than, so you effectively move a very tiny amount into the future (relative to things that didn't move) every time you travel.
Theoretically you could have someone move around at relativistic speeds and then bring them back to earth, putting them {arbitrary number of years in the future} for 1 hour of their time.
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Siegurt wrote:Well depending on how you interpret "time travel" all travel is "time travel" in that subjective time passes more slowly the faster you move relative to the thing you are moving faster than, so you effectively move a very tiny amount into the future (relative to things that didn't move) every time you travel.
I was talking about traveling back into the past of course. Time axis is unidirectional.
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Although I do rather miss the ammo. Needles were just reduced in frequency; I'm a little surprised the same couldn't happen for at least some of the crossbow ammo brands.
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PleasingFungus wrote:Piercer.
Please keep your comments in this thread topical. I don't see what Piercer has to do with time travel.
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