Bots in the 0.15 tournament

[Magipi]

MarvinPA's words from the last tournament:

xw is N78291's bot, qw is elliptic's and rw is rwbarton's. xw and qw are both entirely written in Lua in their rcfiles. I believe that qw is optimised for GrBe which it has won once online and a few times offline, xw I don't think has gotten as far but does some fun things like worshipping Chei (it vaguely knows how to use the abilities, even) and Beogh occasionally. rw is written in Haskell I believe, I have even less of a clue how it works than the others.

Now, in the 0.15 tournament qw has won twice with GrBe, and now he (?) is playing DDBe!

I just spectated, in Snake:5 qw walked into the rune vault, noticed 20-25 enemies (anakondas, greater nagas, mages, ritualists)... he charged and berserked! And died, of course

[Turukano]

Now, in the 0.15 tournament qw has won twice with GrBe, and now he (?) is playing DDBe!

I just spectated, in Snake:5 qw walked into the rune vault, noticed 20-25 enemies (anakondas, greater nagas, mages, ritualists)... he charged and berserked! And died, of course

Maybe it's just the programmer's mistype?

  Code:

if (numberOfEnemies < 30) goBerserk;


instead of

  Code:

if (numberOfEnemies < 3) goBerserk;


Well, seriously: I never looked at the programs. Congrats to elliptic for two wins of qw.

[Sandman25]

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[Patashu]

It seems qw has a DDBe win now, on its 32nd attempt. That's a mighty winrate for a bot!

[wheals]

Going berserk /less/ when there are /fewer/ monsters? That's just not the qw way!

[headcrab0803]

these bots are better than me

[Sandman25]

these bots are better than me

All 3 wins were done with vampiric weapon.

[Hirsch I]

half of my wins where with a vampiric weapon.
I guess I'm as good as those bots.

[mopl]

half of my wins where with a vampiric weapon.
I guess I'm as good as those bots.

unless... you are a bot

[Hirsch I]

I'm not a bot. I'm a deer.

[Siegurt]

You could be a deer bot....

[Kaeoschassis]

You could be a deer bot....

So 0.16's going to have these as playable, right...?

[Hirsch I]

thats not me, thats Hirsch XXXVII, my greatgrandson from the future. he used to frequent the tavern some time ago.
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[Magipi]

Qw has 5 wins now in the tournament: 3 GrBe, 1 DDBe, 1 MiBe. All of them with vampiric weapons.

[Sar]

vamp nerf in 3, 2, 1

[Sandman25]

vamp nerf in 3, 2, 1

I think it won't happen. Nobody is going to nerf Be or Mi/DD/Gr, that's just a difficulty level and lucky weapon find.

[duvessa]

vamp nerf in 3, 2, 1

I think it won't happen. Nobody is going to nerf Be or Mi/DD/Gr, that's just a difficulty level and lucky weapon find.

Are you aware that vampiric brand already had its failure rate doubled a while ago? Pretty sure that shows at least one dev is willing to nerf it.

[Magipi]

I'm bringing up the qw thread, because he (?) has reached another milestone: the first streak!

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/qw

  Code:

Streaks of Wins
    Wins   Start   End   Games   Streak Breaker
1   2   2016-06-05 14:09:23   2016-06-05 15:36:17   GrBe, DDFi   GrBe

I've spectated a game, the bot has impoved a lot in tactics. Does not charge at enemies, instead throws throwables (but there is quite likely a bug there, qw often leaves those throwables on the ground instead of collecting them again). Also, does a tactical retreat from time to time, although this seems pretty crude and random.

[Airwolf]

Both wins in the streak were with Arga...

[Tiktacy]

The first game I watched of qw's he got king gold dragon armor and insane luck all around. He got the orb and got all the way to d10 and died to a crazy powerful pan lord after wasting a bunch of teleportation scrolls on orbs of fire(which he ended up facing 5-6 of and only killed a few).

[Sar]

Both wins in the streak were with Arga...

  Code:

Hand Weapons
 E - the +7 broad axe of Beogh's Castigation (weapon) {flame, +Blink Str+3}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp)   

[duvessa]

Both wins in the streak were with Arga...

  Code:

Hand Weapons
 E - the +7 broad axe of Beogh's Castigation (weapon) {flame, +Blink Str+3}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp)   

close enough

[Airwolf]

My mistake. There were 3 consecutive wins: GrBe with that randart, DDFi with Arga, GrBe with Arga. The first 2 were the streak: I mistakenly thought it was the last 2.

[Sar]

nerf broad axes ffs

[Magipi]

Another update:
qw scored a non-axe win first time ever (I believe), with an unarmed TrBe.

Also, he's got wins with Gr, DD, Mi, HO, Na, DS, VS, Te, Hu and Tr. The little guy is getting better and better.

[Sar]

so much for nagas being hard damn

[Sprucery]

And qw is going with Ru as well, interesting.

[Magipi]

so much for nagas being hard damn

Nagas? Nagas are nothing, just look at this:
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/qw/mo ... 090648.txt

[Sar]

that confusing hat though

[Sandman25]

Crawl will die when the bot wins Mummy of Chei IMHO. Chess first, go second, crawl next?

Edit. The hat is good IMHO, it has rF+++.

Edit2. Interesting that the bot swapped the hat several times.

  Code:

34894 | Vaults:4 | Identified the +1 hat of Joiloath {*Confuse rF+++ rCorr Dex-4} (You acquired it on level 4 of the Vaults)
 47835 | Depths:1 | 47835 ||| UPGRADING to +1 hat of Joiloath {*Confuse rF+++ rCorr Dex-4}.
 50458 | Zot:2    | 50458 ||| UPGRADING to +1 hat of Joiloath {*Confuse rF+++ rCorr Dex-4}.

Edit3. Or maybe it just tried different hats.

[Airwolf]

so much for nagas being hard damn

Nagas? Nagas are nothing, just look at this:
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/qw/mo ... 090648.txt

Arga again!

[Sandman25]

Oops, I think it has already happened, bots dominate. 5 wins during a single day (less than 2 hours for each), 78 wins total.
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/qw

Next tournament will be won by bot IMHO if its authors will change script to use Nemelex combos.

[dynast]

The day i lose to a 2 win streak bot i quit crawl.

[Sar]

bot script for tavernposting when???

[Arrhythmia]

bot script for tavernposting when???

cerekov already exists dingus

[Sar]

Cerekov is too random, I was thinking of a similarly optimally playing bot that would give relevant replies.
"put all stats in STR"
"you should UPGRADE to this item"
"you should be RUNNING"

[Arrhythmia]

Cerekov is too random, I was thinking of a similarly optimally playing bot that would give relevant replies.
"put all stats in STR"
"you should UPGRADE to this item"
"you should be RUNNING"

i am already a far more optimal poster than any robot ever could be; don't bother

[Sar]

but you aren't a bot (as far as I know)...

[dynast]

"put all stats in STR"

This bot threatens to surpass my knowledge of the game.

[ydeve]

but you aren't a bot (as far as I know)...

It doesn't take a complicated bot to thank half the posts in a thread.

[Magipi]

Crawl will die when the bot wins Mummy of Chei IMHO. Chess first, go second, crawl next?

Chess is alive and well, thank you very much. The best machines are better than the best humans, but so what? Nobody cares.

Next tournament will be won by bot IMHO if its authors will change script to use Nemelex combos.

Sure, it might happen, if the next tournament is in 2019 or something. Right now qw is very far away from winning Nemelex combos.

The day i lose to a 2 win streak bot i quit crawl.

Oh yeah, I see your trick here. Of course it will have a longer streak by that time.

[Sandman25]

Sure, it might happen, if the next tournament is in 2019 or something. Right now qw is very far away from winning Nemelex combos.

Most Nemelex combos are won going pure melee with Trog and alike because those take least time and are quite reliable no matter what.

qw won with Trog, Okawaru, Ru.
elliptic is working on adding Chei and Yred right now...
I've just checked again and qw got first 2 wins with Chei yesterday, one of them even with DD (so I feel ashamed that I thought it was a hard combo).
Don't underestimate elliptic

Edit. Also I see some attempts with Qazlal, even as DD.

[dynast]

(so I feel ashamed that I thought it was a hard combo).
Edit. Also I see some attempts with Qazlal, even as DD.

The only hard DD combo i can think of is DD Ru sacrifice artifice of Pakellas.

[Sandman25]

(so I feel ashamed that I thought it was a hard combo).
Edit. Also I see some attempts with Qazlal, even as DD.

The only hard DD combo i can think of is DD Ru sacrifice artifice of Pakellas.

It still can use vampiric weapons and vampiric draining. DD of Zin is the one, I am going to play it next.

[Sandman25]

qw won 5 games with Qazlal/Yred, including 2 DDFi... The Qaz one was using shield of gong..

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/qw

[PleasingFungus]

The only hard DD combo i can think of is DD Ru sacrifice artifice of Pakellas.

you can't worship pak after sacrificing artifice. sad!

[Sandman25]

Wins with TSO and "TSO till Shoals:4 and then no god". I become a fan of qw and elliptic

Edit. It looks like the character abandoned TSO to be able to use broad axe of venom.

Edit2. One of the new wins proves how useless Oka is for gifts.

  Code:

 y - the +11 war axe "Gupsudene" (weapon) {elec, *Drain Str+2 Dex+8}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Vaults)   
 h - the +1 hat of Okawaru (worn) {*Drain rPois Str+10 SInv}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Shoals)   
 x - the +15 plate armour of Okawaru's Reproof (worn) {rF++}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 E - the +1 hat of Okawaru's Condemnation {rF+ rCorr MP+9}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Realm of Zot)   

[Cerekov]

All that's true of a speedrunner myself and also suck with Chei. Yes, this is probably best because going all Fire Magic tends towards destructive conjurations. Since I don't know whom I am wrong, I give up, axes are good unless kill holes exist" for that playstyle, about on par with others, and 2) Singularity range reduced to mindless bashing. It "only" reduced maxHP by 20% before getting serious about crawl. Can be evoked with 'V', just like you don't have. They even have a fruit.

It would be a hypocrite if I recall correctly-- to get more hexes/short blades/stealth first, so it's often, but not the envying of women that does damage but have tricks like constriction and blink scrolls to compensate for increased permafood. Just start a new player in general. I mean, "inferior" when it doesn't cost anything, and find a variety of strategies are wonderful.

You can navigate lair pretty well, personally no lignify potions for duvessa? OP might enjoy browsing through viewtopic.

Evasion Abbreviated to "XL".

You may want to get that I literally don't know. Anyways, I hope to find games more fun IMO.

[PleasingFungus]

the bots have found the thread...!

[genericpseudonym]

I hope to find games more fun IMO.

i hope you do too, mr. robot