nilsbloodaxe wrote:Nemora wrote:Go look up some of the studies done on the gaming community. They're out there. If you really want to learn about it... then do it!
Technically, I am making no claims, so the burden of proof is on you. But even with that, I honestly don't really care about learning about it, because I don't have infinite time, don't really get involved in video game communities outside of roguelikes (I play board games when I want to play something socially), and pretty much only care about a person's sex when actual sexual intercourse is involved and I am a part.
As to the original point of the thread: I don't know how to get more women involved. Looking back, I can't claim that I have seen any particular bias here towards female players (I can't even recall sex coming up before this thread). I do know two female friends who are more-than-just-casual gamers and both are/have been exposed to roguelikes by multiple friends (not to mention a husband and ex-long-term boyfriend, respectively) but neither, for whatever reason, picked them up. Probably greater exposure, in general, will bring in more. I also wonder the demographics might not change as the children of today grow up. I have observed most of my college freshmen playing little games on their phones or laptops when I come into class, and sex doesn't seem to have that much to do with it.
Look, I'm trying really hard to be nice about this, but it's really hard when first, you tell me that my personal experiences (with numerous examples) aren't really good enough to be convincing. Then, you tell me that the sources I gave aren't good enough because they aren't scientific enough for you, even though they are EVEN MORE examples from many, many women who aren't me. Finally, when I prompt you to actually go look yourself since apparently the
personal, lived experiences of myself and many other women aren't good enough, you tell me you don't really care about this. And
not only do you not really care about this, but you also even said you don't really participate in video game communities outside of Crawl... so I ask, why would you think you'd know better about what I have to deal with? Am I not an authority on my own experience? Why do I have to prove
anything to you?
This is exactly why I didn't bother tracking down any studies myself. Unless you're actually motivated to learn, you're not going to educate yourself-
or be educated. Unless you're actually willing to see, you're going to ignore the negative experiences happening around you. I'm not going to waste my time tracking down endless sources to try to "prove" to you that the things I have experienced on a daily basis are actually valid.
And, if you'd even be bothered, tasonir linked a few things.
But I don't think you really care about any of the sources any of us would throw at you. So I'm not going to even bother.
EDIT: Oh and by the way, even though you say "technically" you're making no claims, you were pretty insistent on us not throwing out biology or whatever as a reason why women might not play video games so much- and you did some pretty amusing (read: not amusing) backpeddling to try to not sound like you were saying it's possible more black men play in the NBA because of biology in the same couple posts.
I'm done engaging with you.
I do want to say, as a sidebar, that overall I've been fairly pleased with how the community's engaged with this thread- I've been openly female in online gaming community for over a decade. But even so, I have my moments of hesitation about revealing my sex.