Replace Elyvilon's weapon sacrifice

[Klown]

Elyvilon has you sacrifice dozens, if not hundreds of weapons. Even though it does say this gives less/no piety later, it seems to do nothing at **

Why make the player pray over everything for such a tiny reward?

And what happened to 'swords don't kill people, people kill people'? You end up grabbing a giant axe and chop off hundreds of heads under Ely's watch. Ely doesn't truly care about weapons.

I propose replacing it with something easier, and something that will actually get your piety up quickly throughout the game. But no ideas currently, so CYC.

[dpeg]

Elyvilon has you sacrifice dozens, if not hundreds of weapons. Even though it does say this gives less/no piety later, it seems to do nothing at **

No, not anymore. You only gain piety early on (up to **, and I believe/hope, that falling below ** does not make weapon sacrificing give piety again). What you can sacrifice throughout the game are evil weapons, but they are few and highlighted.

And what happened to 'swords don't kill people, people kill people'?

Are you paid by the NRA to post here?

[Hirsch I]

being paid to post in the tavern? sign me in!

[Klown]

How do you get Ely's piety up? O.O I can't get it to move.

National Sword Association. If we arm everyone in the dungeon, they can take care of any crazy people with swords! Mental illness is the true issue. Look at Crazy Yiuf! Nutcase. If we gave him therapy, that would definitely make him peaceful. *pays lots of gold to a certain party to make sure swords can't be taken away*

[wheals]

swords don't kill people, quarterstaves do

[Laraso]

How do you get Ely's piety up? O.O I can't get it to move.

Piety gain with Elyvilon is tough at the start, because (correct me if I'm wrong) the formula for piety gain with every pacified monster is 1d(hd/(2+(piety/20)), where 'hd' represents the monster's hd. This means that the more piety you have, the faster you'll gain it. The less piety you have, the slower you'll gain it.

Generally in my experiences with healers, my piety starts to skyrocket shortly after I reach the lair.

[Sandman25]

No, the more piety you have, the less piety you get from pacification. That piety is in denominator.

[Klown]

So you -have- to pacify often to get piety up?

[dpeg]

Klown: No. You also get piety for exploration. But you really should pacify at least lowly animals: the xp loss is negigible, and pacification will always work. It is not necessary to try and pacify everything.

[Sandman25]

Klown: No. You also get piety for exploration.

I realize it is a really stupid question but still... Are you sure about that? Neither wiki nor knowledge bots mention Elyvilon gets piety for exploration.

[dpeg]

Hm, now that you say it... not anymore. All good gods used to give piety just for waiting (this was one technical reason why at least mummies couldn't worship them). We then changed this to piety for exploration, which is much saner. I am sure that at some point the three good gods had piety for exploration, with different rates. I don't know about current status, especially as I play my healers very Invocations focused.

[Klown]

I'm struggling to get past ** during the early game even if I start as a Healer.

*goes back to cheibriados who gives you 6 stars in about 5 minutes*

[Hirsch I]

and gets you killed.

[DracheReborn]

http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=healer+guide

<crate> pacify all the dudes until lair and then do whatever

[Klown]

Thanks.

As for the topic, what is the point of weapon sacrificing if it's so useless for 95% of the game?

[cerebovssquire]

The part between 0 stars and 2 stars is a part where you are relatively likely to get killed, especially because 2+ stars Elyvilon has a lot of ways to keep you from dying. Mechanics meaningful in that part of the game are meaningful for your character's survival. That being said, weapon sacrifice is really annoying because it encourages walking up to fully explore floors.
Yes, you are supposed to pacify with Elyvilon. If something bothers you about this - probably the exp loss - pacification is strong enough to still be very good compared to other strategies even with less exp, and you could also just kill high-exp monsters and pacify harmless things.

[Sandman25]

I like weapon sacrifice, having several distortion/draining/electro weapon in inventory is annoying especially when you are low on inventory slots.

[One-Eyed Jack]

It's almost like monsters shouldn't be able to pick up weapons