CIP: Melee HuWz^Ash

Tuesday, 26th November 2013, 22:44 by Igxfl

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1102-g6369efe (console) character file. Igxfl the Spear-Bearer (Human Wizard) Turns: 20163, Time: 01:12:55 HP 56/91 AC 9 Str 7 XL: 13 Next: 20% MP 12/23 EV 22 Int 18 God: Ashenzari [**....] Gold 638 SH 0 Dex 18 Spells: 8 memorised, 1 level left rFire + . . SeeInvis . a - +2,+4 spear (pierce) (curse) rCold . . . Clarity . f - +0 robe rNeg . . . Conserve . (no shield) rPois . rCorr . h - +2 helmet rElec . rRot . (no cloak) SustAb . . Spirit . d - +2 pair of dwarf gauntlets rMut . Warding . (no boots) Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet) k - cursed ring of protection from fire g - cursed ring of protection from magic @: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: shaggy fur 1 a: Renounce Religion You are on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels. You have collected 638 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a cursed +2,+4 spear of piercing (weapon) Armour d - a +2 pair of dwarven gauntlets (worn) f - a +0 robe (worn) h - a +2 helmet (worn) Magical devices l - a wand of cold {empty} m - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} p - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1} r - a wand of draining {zapped: 4} E - a wand of fireball Comestibles c - 2 meat rations A - 3 apples B - a chunk of elephant flesh Scrolls i - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon II n - a scroll of magic mapping q - 2 scrolls of remove curse s - a scroll of curse armour t - a scroll of enchant weapon I v - 3 scrolls of identify Jewellery g - a cursed ring of protection from magic (left hand) k - a cursed ring of protection from fire (right hand) z - an uncursed ring of magical power Potions e - a purple potion j - 2 potions of lignification o - a silvery potion u - a potion of heal wounds w - a potion of brilliance x - 2 potions of curing Books b - a book of Wizardry Spells Type Level Summon Elemental Summoning 4 Agony Necromancy 5 Force Lance Conjuration 5 Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 Haste Charms 6 Invisibility Hexes 6 y - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level Corona Hexes 1 Sure Blade Hexes/Charms 2 Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 Confuse Hexes 3 Enslavement Hexes 4 Invisibility Hexes 6 Skills: + Level 9.0 Fighting Level 2.3 Short Blades - Level 12.0(14.0) Polearms - Level 12.0 Dodging - Level 6.1 Stealth - Level 3.5 Spellcasting - Level 2.4(3.6) Conjurations - Level 1.3(2.3) Summonings - Level 5.1(6.5) Translocations - Level 1.0(1.9) Evocations You have one spell level left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ###. 3% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ##..... d - Call Imp Summ ##........ 12% 2 ##..... e - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire #....... 24% 3 ###.... f - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air #....... 30% 3 ###.... n - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 14% 4 ####... r - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #......... 28% 2 ##..... x - Apportation Tloc ####...... 1% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/16) Lair (5/8) D:10 Snake (0/5) Lair:4 Temple: D:4-7 Orc: D:9-12 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Spider: Lair:3-6 Altars: Ashenzari Fedhas Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Xom the Shining One Annotations: D:5 Faydane's ghost, experienced HEIE Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are covered in fur (AC +1). Message History Your Fighting skill increases to level 9! No target in view! No target in view! You see here an elephant corpse. You start butchering the elephant corpse with your knife. You continue butchering the corpse. You finish chopping the elephant corpse into pieces. B - 2 chunks of elephant flesh Eat one of 2 chunks of elephant flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. You continue eating. Unknown command. Casting: Mephitic Cloud Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Okay, then. Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Unknown command. Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Search for what [Enter for "fruit", or ? for help]? book Saving game... please wait. #.#.......##..#......######.... ##....P.P.###..#.#.##.## #.###. #....##.#.f..(..l......# #####. #.......#....##...P...## #.. ###..##...#.####......# ##. #...####....###......####### #. ###....####.P...##.#.P.P#.#.P# ## #.......##.#......#.........##### #..#.##..###....@..#....#.P.##..# ..#..#..###.....>..#............. #.#.....####..................... #..##....###......%.............. 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Vanquished Creatures Fannar (D:9) A hydra (D:9) Pikel (D:6) 2 hill giants An elephant (Lair:4) Maurice (D:9) A black mamba (Lair:3) A spiny frog (Lair:2) A feature mimic (D:8) A fire drake (Lair:2) 4 komodo dragons (Lair:4) 6 wandering mushrooms (Lair:3) A troll (D:10) A two-headed ogre (D:10) 4 blink frogs (Lair:2) A wyvern (Lair:3) 6 sharks Eustachio (D:9) 23 yaks 5 hippogriffs 9 wolves Menkaure (D:7) 4 orc warriors 2 necrophages (D:10) 2 phantoms A sky beast (D:6) 2 porcupines 2 slaves A black bear (Lair:4) 5 ogres 4 giant goldfish 2 centaurs 4 big kobolds (D:9) 6 crocodiles 9 giant frogs 2 giant slugs 9 water moccasins 4 killer bees (D:10) 11 jellyfish The ghost of jrlans the Covered, a weakling DjWn (D:3) A hippogriff skeleton (D:9) 5 crimson imps 5 orc priests 4 big fish 6 electric eels 3 goliath beetles 3 scorpions 5 hounds 5 orc wizards Crazy Yiuf (D:3) A black bear zombie (D:7) A giant frog zombie (D:5) 7 iguanas 4 jellies 2 giant frog skeletons 8 worker ants 6 sheep Terence (D:3) 4 gnolls (D:8) A worker ant zombie (D:10) 19 adders 15 green rats 3 giant centipedes 2 giant mites 6 worms An iguana zombie (D:9) An adder zombie (D:7) 2 giant eyeballs 7 giant geckos 2 oozes 39 orcs 3 ball pythons 6 giant cockroaches 10 goblins 6 hobgoblins 28 jackals 27 kobolds 6 quokkas 31 bats 4 giant newts 2 giant spores A hobgoblin skeleton (D:9) A hobgoblin zombie (D:8) A jackal zombie (D:6) 17 rats 4 ballistomycetes 2 fungi (D:3) 463 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) The ghost of tellian the Ruinous, an average DECj (D:4) Blork the orc (D:4) 2 adders A worm (D:5) A kobold (D:3) 6 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A slave (D:7) 2 crimson imps 6 white imps A jackal (Lair:1) 3 fungi A plant (Lair:2) 14 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 483 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Igxfl, the Human Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 5/5 294 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 1/17 MP: 0/7 609 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 612 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 874 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/22 MP: 6/9 1134 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 1197 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 1293 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 28/28 MP: 8/11 1857 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms 1916 | D:3 | Noticed jrlans' ghost (weakling DjWn) 2069 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/33 MP: 8/12 2172 | D:3 | Killed jrlans' ghost 2247 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2514 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2554 | D:3 | Noticed an ice beast 2728 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/39 MP: 14/14 2734 | D:4 | Noticed tellian's ghost (average DECj) 2766 | D:4 | Killed tellian's ghost 2766 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms 2903 | D:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 2962 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 2999 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/44 MP: 16/16 3154 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 3232 | D:4 | Noticed Blork the orc 3258 | D:4 | Killed Blork the orc 3638 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3685 | D:5 | Noticed Faydane's ghost (experienced HEIE) 3931 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 4309 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 4339 | D:3 | Killed Terence 4469 | D:3 | HP: 2/44 [poisoned by a kobold] 4477 | D:3 | HP: 1/44 [poisoned by a kobold] 5066 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 5105 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/50 MP: 18/18 5338 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 5557 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6251 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 6341 | D:6 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 6392 | D:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 6392 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/55 MP: 9/18 6761 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 6777 | D:7 | Noticed Pikel 6945 | D:6 | Killed Pikel 6945 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 7198 | D:7 | Noticed Menkaure 7465 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You are covered in fur (AC +1). [potion of beneficial mutation] 7473 | D:7 | Killed Menkaure 7482 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 7483 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 7483 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 8293 | D:8 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation 8733 | D:5 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 41/62 MP: 20/20 8770 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 8809 | D:5 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 8818 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 8832 | D:5 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 9264 | D:8 | Killed a door mimic 9700 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 9983 | D:9 | Noticed Maurice 10005 | D:9 | Killed Maurice 10673 | D:9 | Noticed a three-headed hydra 10678 | D:9 | Killed a three-headed hydra 10678 | D:9 | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms 10801 | D:9 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 10904 | D:9 | Noticed Eustachio 10926 | D:9 | Killed Eustachio 10926 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 74/74 MP: 18/21 10970 | D:9 | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms 11197 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11216 | D:10 | Noticed Fannar 11219 | D:10 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 11220 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 11260 | D:9 | Killed Fannar 11466 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 11486 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 11959 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 12396 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 12542 | D:10 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 12699 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 13150 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 14018 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 24/81 MP: 5/22 15469 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Passage of Golubria 15714 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations 15754 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 16580 | Lair:3 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 18131 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 66/88 MP: 20/23 18487 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 31 | 14 | | | || 45 Spear | | 128 | 537 | 1581 | 259 || 2505 Cast: Magic Dart | 45 | 40 | 58 | 62 | 3 || 208 Call Imp | 2 | 12 | 12 | 6 | 2 || 34 Blink | | 6 | 11 | 16 | 3 || 36 Mephitic Cloud | | 1 | 23 | 57 | 9 || 90 Conjure Flame | | | 2 | 4 | || 6 Repel Missiles | | | | 1 | || 1 Passage of Golubr | | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 8 | 14 | || 23 Use: Scroll | 6 | 4 | 8 | 8 | || 26 Potion | | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 || 8 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | 6 | 17 | 1 || 28 Distracted | | 1 | 1 | 4 | 3 || 9 Confused | | 1 | 12 | 72 | 3 || 88

Available books: Minor Magic, Wizardry, Power, Spatial Translocations, Maledictions
No weapons yet worth switching to, but have +0 shield.
Found leather armour {rPois+} for Lair branches.

This is the most promising generalist-style character I've had in a while -- my most successful builds tend to be somewhat overfocused. The practice of instantly grabbing a floor-drop weapon on all caster backgrounds has helped a lot. I've been experimenting with training early Dodging with good results. Developing good EV seems to kick up my initial survivability a lot more than marginally reducing spell failure or rushing to remove those last few deci-ticks of weapon delay. It's also been sinking in more and more that training magic schools after spell success is decent can be a pretty bad investment, despite the bump in spellpower. Just like training weapon skills past your starting weapon's mindelay, training higher spell skills is a pursuit best delayed until after more advanced books are found.

In this case, I trained magic just enough to get the Minor Magic spells castable, then went all in for Polearms, Dodging, and later Fighting. Save for a few close scrapes, Meph + Spear got me down through Lair:4 without much trouble. Now I'm not sure where to go. Thanks to a lack of higher-tier weapons, I don't see many ways to expand melee-wise save Shields or more Dodging. This would no doubt provide me with excellent defenses, but I'd fear my +2,+4 spear (pierce) and Magic Missile would fall short of an ideal midgame offense. Alternately, I could go hard Conj/Elemental in pursuit of Fireball or Iron Shot, but with so much of my damage coming from melee now, it seems like retracing my steps. I'd expect to invest considerable XP before surpassing the damage output of my trusty spear, and until then my expenditures would be useless. The indecisive route would be to train Charms and get Haste, which I'm going to get it eventually anyway, and hope that better equipment shows up in the meantime. My only worry here is that Haste by itself might not be enough if my other abilities are still lacking.

What does the Tavern think?

Tuesday, 26th November 2013, 23:03 by Sandman25

I would go for either Fireball or Hexes. You have some unID-ed potions.

Tuesday, 26th November 2013, 23:07 by DracheReborn

Lots of possible choices here, and anyway you worship Ash, so you can always re-skill (eventually). I'd bring up 2 other choices for your consideration - picking up Agony to pair with your melee, or picking up Hexes and go stabby. The Necromancy route is a bit shaky since you've only one Necro spell right now, but it's a good one and can help you right away. Not sure though that you can learn L5 spell even with brilliance - maybe wizmode to check? Hex stabber is strong of course, and your hexes can support melee until you get the stabbing online.

Tuesday, 26th November 2013, 23:11 by Igxfl

Sandman25 wrote:I would go for either Fireball or Hexes.

I hadn't even considered Hexes -- I'm not sure I could pull Stabbing off without switching to Short Blades, which sounds like a serious XP sink at this point.

Sandman25 wrote:You have some unID-ed potions.

That I do. Agility and Confusion.

Wednesday, 27th November 2013, 08:28 by tompliss

Igxfl wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:I would go for either Fireball or Hexes.

I hadn't even considered Hexes -- I'm not sure I could pull Stabbing off without switching to Short Blades, which sounds like a serious XP sink at this point.

Tridents are considered as Long Blades when it comes to stabbing (as Demon tridents and most piercing type weapons), so you still get a nice bonus damage (more than twice the classic weapons, even if half the classic Short-blade damage, but you get more base damage)...

Friday, 29th November 2013, 08:05 by Igxfl

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1138-g4e1645e (console) character file. Igxfl the Covert (Human Wizard) Turns: 41985, Time: 03:38:06 HP 118/118 AC 14 Str 8 XL: 17 Next: 39% MP 30/30 EV 22 Int 19 God: Ashenzari [*****.] Gold 1634 SH 13 Dex 19 Spells: 10 memorised, 2 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + a - +3,+5 orc dagger (stab) (curse) rCold . . . Clarity + v - +1 orc leather armour {rPois} rNeg . . . Conserve . q - +0 buckler {AC+3} (curse) rPois + rCorr . h - +2 helmet rElec . rRot . k - +1 elf cloak SustAb . . Spirit . s - +0 pair of gloves {Dex+3} rMut + Warding . (no boots) Saprov . . . Stasis . K - cursed amulet of resist mutation F - cursed ring of regeneration g - cursed ring of protection from magic @: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely stealthy A: clumsy 1, magic resistance 1, shaggy fur 1 a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion }: 1/15 runes: barnacled You are on level 5 of the Shoals. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 27 of its levels. You have collected 1719 gold pieces. You have spent 85 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a cursed +3,+5 orcish dagger of stabbing (weapon) Armour h - a +2 helmet (worn) k - a +1 elven cloak (worn) q - a cursed +0 buckler of protection (worn) s - a +0 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn) v - a +1 orcish leather armour of poison resistance (worn) Magical devices d - a wand of fireball p - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 10} y - a wand of fire A - a wand of fire (9) B - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 1} C - a wand of fire L - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} P - a wand of paralysis Comestibles D - a meat ration H - a choko Q - a snozzcumber Scrolls f - a scroll of curse weapon i - 2 scrolls of recharging l - a scroll of enchant weapon III n - 2 scrolls of magic mapping x - a scroll of remove curse z - a scroll of amnesia E - 2 scrolls of teleportation I - 2 scrolls of fog J - a scroll of fear M - 4 scrolls of identify Jewellery g - a cursed ring of protection from magic (left hand) r - a +4 ring of dexterity F - a cursed ring of regeneration (right hand) K - a cursed amulet of resist mutation (around neck) Potions b - a potion of speed c - 5 potions of curing e - a potion of lignification j - a potion of porridge t - a potion of resistance u - a potion of magic w - 2 potions of brilliance N - a potion of might R - a potion of invisibility Books G - a book of Enchantments Spells Type Level Cause Fear Hexes 4 Silence Hexes/Air 5 Tukima's Dance Hexes 5 Deflect Missiles Charms/Air 6 Haste Charms 6 Discord Hexes 8 Miscellaneous o - a fan of gales O - a fan of gales Skills: - Level 9.1 Fighting - Level 8.5(12.4) Short Blades Level 12.0 Polearms + Level 14.1 Dodging - Level 14.6 Stealth - Level 4.4(7.0) Shields - Level 6.1 Spellcasting - Level 2.4(5.6) Conjurations - Level 10.9(14.6) Hexes - Level 1.3(3.8) Summonings - Level 5.9(9.9) Translocations - Level 3.0(6.4) Evocations You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None c - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ####.. 1% 2 None d - Call Imp Summ ###....... 4% 2 None e - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ###..... 12% 3 ##..... f - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ##...... 17% 3 ##..... n - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 ####... r - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #......... 17% 2 None t - Invisibility Hex ######.. 4% 6 ####### x - Apportation Tloc #####..... 1% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (14/16) Orc (0/4) D:12 Lair (8/8) D:10 Shoals (5/5) Lair:5 Snake (0/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Temple: D:4-7 Vaults: D:14-15 Altars: Ashenzari Fedhas Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Xom Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:13 [ Shoals:1 [ Annotations: D:5 Faydane's ghost, experienced HEIE Lair:7 exclusions: door and oklob plant Shoals:3 Aizul; Ilsuiw Shoals:4 exclusion: alligator snapping turtle, Rupert Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are clumsy. (Dex -2) You are resistant to hostile enchantments. You are covered in fur (AC +1). Message History Eat one of 2 chunks of mermaid flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. You continue eating. You are feeling hungry. You see here a +0,+0 trident. Eat a chunk of mermaid flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. You continue eating. You flicker for a moment. You continue eating. You start resting. You flicker back into view. You start resting. Your magical contamination has completely faded away. You start resting. Magic restored. Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Unknown command. 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Vanquished Creatures A kraken (Shoals:2) Donald (Shoals:3) Wiglaf (Shoals:3) The ghost of Krunkodile the Basher, a powerful FoHu of Okawaru (Lair:8) 4 merfolk javelineers (Shoals:5) 4 merfolk impalers 5 vault guards (D:14) 3 sirens 5 merfolk aquamancers Fannar (D:9) Nessos (D:11) The ghost of Petitchka the Cleaver, a powerful DgWn (D:14) A ravenous feature mimic (Shoals:5) 6 hydras 11 death yaks (Lair:8) An ogre mage (D:13) Urug (D:12) An iron golem (D:14) 3 catoblepae (Lair:8) 13 sea snakes An unseen horror (D:11) 13 harpies Pikel (D:6) A giant amoeba (D:14) An orc knight (D:14) 7 hill giants 2 oklob plants 2 griffons A wolf spider (D:14) 5 cyclopes 17 elephants 2 octopodes Maurice (D:9) A spiny worm (D:14) 2 black mambas 4 spiny frogs A feature mimic (D:8) 2 fire drakes 12 mermaids A yaktaur (D:14) 12 komodo dragons 6 wandering mushrooms (Lair:3) 5 trolls Sonja (D:12) A slime creature (D:14) A queen bee (Lair:5) 9 snapping turtles 7 two-headed ogres A trapdoor spider zombie (D:13) 7 blink frogs 2 shadows A vampire (D:14) 4 water elementals 3 wyverns A trapdoor spider (D:11) 2 basilisks An elephant slug (Lair:8) 13 sharks Eustachio (D:9) 2 hungry ghosts A human (D:14) 58 yaks 23 hippogriffs 7 manticores A hill giant skeleton (D:14) 20 wolves 30 merfolk A soldier ant (D:14) Menkaure (D:7) 5 orc warriors 2 necrophages (D:10) 2 phantoms A red wasp simulacrum (D:14) 4 sky beasts 7 porcupines 2 slaves 4 ice beasts A black bear (Lair:4) 8 ogres 10 giant goldfish 12 centaurs 4 big kobolds (D:9) 23 crocodiles A boring beetle (Lair:6) A komodo dragon zombie (D:11) 14 giant frogs 7 giant slugs 19 water moccasins 3 agate snails 12 wights A troll skeleton (D:11) 2 yak skeletons 34 killer bees 17 jellyfish The ghost of jrlans the Covered, a weakling DjWn (D:3) A hippogriff skeleton (D:9) A yellow wasp zombie (D:13) 7 crimson imps 7 orc priests 8 big fish 11 electric eels 6 goliath beetles 5 scorpions A two-headed ogre zombie (D:14) 5 hounds 7 orc wizards Crazy Yiuf (D:3) A black bear zombie (D:7) A giant frog zombie (D:5) 17 iguanas 6 jellies A quasit (D:13) 4 giant frog skeletons 10 worker ants 32 sheep Terence (D:3) 4 gnolls (D:8) A worker ant zombie (D:10) 27 adders 36 green rats 5 giant centipedes 2 giant mites 6 worms An iguana zombie (D:9) An adder zombie (D:7) 3 giant eyeballs 15 giant geckos 2 oozes 45 orcs 3 ball pythons 6 giant cockroaches 10 goblins 10 hobgoblins 31 jackals 27 kobolds 8 quokkas 38 bats 9 giant newts 3 giant spores A hobgoblin skeleton (D:9) A hobgoblin zombie (D:8) A jackal zombie (D:6) 17 rats 9 ballistomycetes 2 bushes (Lair:8) 2 fungi (D:3) 1020 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) The ghost of tellian the Ruinous, an average DECj (D:4) Blork the orc (D:4) 2 adders A worm (D:5) A kobold (D:3) 6 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A death yak (Lair:8) A slave (D:7) A killer bee (Lair:5) An electric eel (D:11) 2 crimson imps A wight (D:11) A green rat (Lair:5) 7 white imps A shadow imp (Shoals:2) A jackal (Lair:1) 3 giant spores A rat (Lair:5) A ballistomycete (D:11) 3 fungi 2 plants 4 tentacles (Shoals:2) 2 tentacle segments (Shoals:2) 33 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1059 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Igxfl, the Human Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 5/5 294 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 1/17 MP: 0/7 609 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 612 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 874 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/22 MP: 6/9 1134 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 1197 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 1293 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 28/28 MP: 8/11 1857 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms 1916 | D:3 | Noticed jrlans' ghost (weakling DjWn) 2069 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/33 MP: 8/12 2172 | D:3 | Killed jrlans' ghost 2247 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2514 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2554 | D:3 | Noticed an ice beast 2728 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/39 MP: 14/14 2734 | D:4 | Noticed tellian's ghost (average DECj) 2766 | D:4 | Killed tellian's ghost 2766 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms 2903 | D:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 2962 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 2999 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/44 MP: 16/16 3154 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 3232 | D:4 | Noticed Blork the orc 3258 | D:4 | Killed Blork the orc 3638 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3685 | D:5 | Noticed Faydane's ghost (experienced HEIE) 3931 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 4309 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 4339 | D:3 | Killed Terence 4469 | D:3 | HP: 2/44 [poisoned by a kobold] 4477 | D:3 | HP: 1/44 [poisoned by a kobold] 5066 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 5105 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/50 MP: 18/18 5338 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 5557 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6251 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 6341 | D:6 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 6392 | D:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 6392 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/55 MP: 9/18 6761 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 6777 | D:7 | Noticed Pikel 6945 | D:6 | Killed Pikel 6945 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 7198 | D:7 | Noticed Menkaure 7465 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You are covered in fur (AC +1). [potion of beneficial mutation] 7473 | D:7 | Killed Menkaure 7482 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 7483 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 7483 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 8293 | D:8 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation 8733 | D:5 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 41/62 MP: 20/20 8770 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 8809 | D:5 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 8818 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 8832 | D:5 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 9264 | D:8 | Killed a door mimic 9700 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 9983 | D:9 | Noticed Maurice 10005 | D:9 | Killed Maurice 10673 | D:9 | Noticed a three-headed hydra 10678 | D:9 | Killed a three-headed hydra 10678 | D:9 | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms 10801 | D:9 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 10904 | D:9 | Noticed Eustachio 10926 | D:9 | Killed Eustachio 10926 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 74/74 MP: 18/21 10970 | D:9 | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms 11197 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11216 | D:10 | Noticed Fannar 11219 | D:10 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 11220 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 11260 | D:9 | Killed Fannar 11466 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 11486 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 11959 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 12396 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 12542 | D:10 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 12699 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 13150 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 14018 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 24/81 MP: 5/22 15469 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Passage of Golubria 15714 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations 15754 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 16580 | Lair:3 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 18131 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 66/88 MP: 20/23 18487 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 20583 | Lair:4 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 20614 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 20818 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 21609 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 21807 | Lair:5 | Gained mutation: You are resistant to hostile enchantments. [potion of beneficial mutation] 22919 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 24573 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 25233 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 37/98 MP: 15/27 25530 | Lair:7 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 25871 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 25874 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 27284 | D:11 | Noticed an unseen horror 27291 | D:11 | Killed an unseen horror 27475 | D:11 | Upgraded the game from 0.14-a0-1102-g6369efe to 0.14-a0-1113-g481a9a3 28455 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 28463 | D:12 | Noticed Sonja 28465 | D:12 | Noticed Urug 28492 | D:12 | Noticed Nessos 28609 | D:12 | Identified the cursed +4,+3 broad axe of the Grave {chop, Dex+2 Int+3} 28827 | D:12 | Killed Urug 29481 | D:12 | Killed Sonja 30032 | D:13 | Found Extod's Armour Boutique. 30813 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals 31738 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 31738 | Lair:8 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 31836 | Lair:8 | Noticed Krunkodile's ghost (powerful FoHu) 31922 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 105/105 MP: 24/29 31939 | Lair:8 | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility 32364 | Lair:8 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 32390 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 33618 | Lair:8 | Killed Krunkodile's ghost 34147 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 34434 | Lair:8 | Upgraded the game from 0.14-a0-1113-g481a9a3 to 0.14-a0-1138-g4e1645e 34826 | D:11 | Killed Nessos 35595 | D:14 | Noticed Petitchka's ghost (powerful DgWn) 35718 | D:14 | Killed Petitchka's ghost 35785 | D:14 | Got the uncursed helmet of Amelioration {rPois} 35790 | D:14 | Identified the +1 helmet of Amelioration {rPois} (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon) 36182 | D:14 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 36298 | D:14 | Gained mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [mutagenic glow] 36508 | D:14 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 77/112 MP: 0/29 37681 | Shoals:1 | Found Plog's Armour Boutique. 37752 | Shoals:1 | Bought a +0 pair of gloves of dexterity for 85 gold pieces 38167 | Shoals:2 | Noticed a kraken 38204 | Shoals:2 | Killed a kraken 38505 | Shoals:2 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 38574 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth 39280 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Wiglaf 39640 | Shoals:1 | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth 39768 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Aizul 39860 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Donald 39890 | Shoals:3 | Killed Donald 40031 | Shoals:3 | Killed Wiglaf 40149 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Ilsuiw 40266 | Shoals:4 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 40313 | Shoals:3 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 40419 | Shoals:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Shoals 40580 | Shoals:5 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 64/118 MP: 5/30 40588 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Rupert 40600 | Shoals:3 | HP: 4/118 [sea snake (21)] 41579 | Shoals:5 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 31 | 14 | | | 1136 | 388 || 1569 Spear | | 128 | 537 | 1581 | 906 | || 3152 Sabre | | | | | 622 | || 622 Cast: Magic Dart | 45 | 40 | 58 | 62 | 46 | 12 || 263 Call Imp | 2 | 12 | 12 | 6 | 2 | 3 || 37 Blink | | 6 | 11 | 16 | 30 | 8 || 71 Mephitic Cloud | | 1 | 23 | 57 | 76 | 16 || 173 Conjure Flame | | | 2 | 4 | 24 | || 30 Repel Missiles | | | | 1 | 5 | 7 || 13 Ensorcelled Hiber | | | | | 328 | 177 || 505 Passage of Golubr | | | | | 48 | 29 || 77 Invisibility | | | | | 8 | 10 || 18 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 8 | 14 | 21 | 1 || 45 Use: Scroll | 6 | 4 | 8 | 8 | 22 | 8 || 56 Potion | | 2 | 4 | 1 | 13 | 6 || 26 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | 6 | 17 | 154 | 97 || 278 Distracted | | 1 | 1 | 4 | 9 | 1 || 16 Confused | | 1 | 12 | 72 | 73 | 12 || 170 Paralysed | | | | | 3 | || 3 Invisible | | | | | 34 | 46 || 80

Okay, so I actually went all in for Hexes and Short Blades, and Ash made it fairly easy to train them up. Invisistab took me through Shoals. I never realized how good Passage of Golubria is. It's an escape, it's a stabbing aid, it can pull monsters ahead of a pack or throw them behind one, and it can jump across water and lava. I didn't feel the need for flight even when the tides were high.

Ashenzari hasn't 'clicked' for me in the past, but it seems that taking heavy advantage of the flexibility the stat boosts give you is critical. I might actually go in for M&F now -- I just found a +2,+6 vampiric demon whip and I'm about to see a lot of hard-to-stab monsters in Snake and Vaults.

Friday, 29th November 2013, 08:24 by Igxfl

...and I died. Potions of Lignifaction block Tele. That's pretty rough.

Friday, 29th November 2013, 14:40 by Sandman25

I usually use Confuse with my Hex-based stabbers, it is always useful. I am not sure how you got 170 stabs of confused monsters without casting confusion even once. Did you have lots of wands of confusion or am I missing something?

Friday, 29th November 2013, 14:43 by Sprucery

Sandman25 wrote:I usually use Confuse with my Hex-based stabbers, it is always useful. I am not sure how you got 170 stabs of confused monsters without casting confusion even once. Did you have lots of wands of confusion or am I missing something?

Mephitic Cloud?

Friday, 29th November 2013, 14:51 by Sandman25

Sprucery wrote:Mephitic Cloud?

Thank you. Never used stabbing Wz

Friday, 29th November 2013, 19:28 by Igxfl

Unless you luck into a beatstick of true quality, starting with Mephitic Cloud pretty much locks your starting weapon choice into Short Blades.

On the other hand, SInv undead were pretty annoying on this build -- pretty much an instant reason to blow consumables.

Friday, 29th November 2013, 19:43 by Sandman25

Yes, I used stabbing with Mephitic Cloud but not on characters with EH.

Friday, 29th November 2013, 22:10 by Hurkyl

Sandman25 wrote:Yes, I used stabbing with Mephitic Cloud but not on characters with EH.

Options are good. EH has low spell power cap. Confuse checks MR. Mephitic Cloud checks rPois. Dazzling Spray checks... whatever Dazzling Spray checks. You can stab a wider variety of monsters if you use all your disables.

Friday, 29th November 2013, 22:42 by Sandman25

Also I used Fedhas for stabs, that was fun too.

Saturday, 30th November 2013, 07:17 by Siegurt

Hurkyl wrote:Dazzling Spray checks... whatever Dazzling Spray checks..

It checks "Has eyes" other than that there's just a set random chance of blinding, it works on damn near anything except slimes and jellies

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