CIP: DsFi of Ash

Wednesday, 20th November 2013, 21:11 by Jarlyk

All of the demonspawn warpers I'd been killing off were starting to clog up the translocational highway, so I decided to try a fighter instead, to hopefully survive past Temple. He's at Lair now, though he of course just ran into an 8-headed hydra. In past runs with melee characters I've either been using blunt weapons or had a blunt weapon I could switch to for hydras. What I've found with Ash, though, is that you can't rely on swapping things out quite as easily, since you generally want to keep things cursed when possible. I like keeping my weapon cursed in particular for the skill bonus. In general, I'm enjoying Ash (knowing what's around the corner is really, really useful), but it does create some additional challenges.

So, do I just run from all hydras for now? I'm pretty sure stepping up and slashing it with my sword is a bad idea.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13.0 (tiles) character file. Jarlyk the Fighter (Demonspawn Fighter) Turns: 10849, Time: 01:19:35 HP 89/89 AC 16 Str 22 XL: 11 Next: 74% MP 17/17 EV 5 Int 10 God: Ashenzari [****..] Gold 138 SH 14 Dex 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 10 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + v - +3,+1 elf long sword (curse) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . I - +2 plate armour {rF+} (curse) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . a - +1 dwarf buckler (curse) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + f - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . n - +0 pair of orc gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Flight : . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . b - cursed ring of Impatience {rPois Str+3 Dam+3 SInv} r - cursed ring of flight @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 2, horns 2, powered by death 3, spiny 1 a: Scrying, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is greatly pleased with you. You are very hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 13 of its levels. You have visited 1 bazaar. You have collected 692 gold pieces. You have spent 574 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons m - a +0 blowgun v - a cursed +3,+1 elven long sword (weapon) Missiles g - 64 bolts l - 24 poisoned needles s - 5 darts of flame (quivered) M - 6 curare-tipped needles Armour a - a cursed +1 dwarven buckler (worn) f - a +0 cloak (worn) n - a +0 pair of orcish gloves (worn) p - a +0 chain mail I - a cursed +2 plate armour of fire resistance (worn) Magical devices z - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 2} C - a gold wand {zapped: 1} {tried} F - a gold wand {zapped: 1} {tried} G - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 3} H - a wand of slowing T - a wand of slowing {zapped: 7} V - a wand of random effects {zapped: 2} Comestibles d - 2 bread rations j - 2 meat rations x - 17 strawberries K - 9 apples P - 3 snozzcumbers Q - 6 lychees S - 23 grapes Scrolls e - a scroll of recharging k - 3 scrolls of remove curse q - 2 scrolls of magic mapping y - 4 scrolls of curse weapon E - a scroll of amnesia J - 2 scrolls of blinking N - a scroll of fear Jewellery b - the cursed ring of Impatience (right hand) {rPois Str+3 Dam+3 SInv} (You took it off a wight on level 6 of the Dungeon) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (+3). It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3). It protects you from poison. It enhances your eyesight. It has a curse placed upon it. o - an uncursed ring of wizardry r - a cursed ring of flight (left hand) u - an uncursed ring of protection from cold B - an uncursed ring of ice Potions h - a viscous yellow potion i - 2 potions of mutation t - a potion of might w - 5 potions of curing A - a purple potion D - a potion of berserk rage L - a potion of heal wounds Books O - a book of Party Tricks Spells Type Level Summon Butterflies Summoning 1 Apportation Translocation 1 Blink Translocation 2 Alistair's Intoxication Transmutation/Poison 4 Tukima's Dance Hexes 5 Skills: * Level 11.9 Fighting + Level 9.3(12.6) Long Blades + Level 5.0 Armour - Level 7.0 Dodging - Level 1.0 Stealth - Level 5.9(8.2) Shields - Level 4.0(6.1) Evocations You have 10 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/27) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (0/4) D:7 Lair (1/8) D:11 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Shops: D:8 * Annotations: D:7 exclusion: upstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hoof-like feet. You have a pair of horns on your head. You can steal the life force of all defeated enemies in sight. You are partially covered in sharp spines. Message History The jackal is almost dead. The jackal barely misses you. You block the jackal's attack. You barely miss the jackal. Your kick misses the jackal. Your headbutt misses the jackal. The jackal is almost dead. The jackal bites you but does no damage. You hit the jackal. You kill the jackal! A hippogriff comes into view. The hippogriff screeches! Found an uncursed staff of death. The hippogriff bites you but does no damage. You block the hippogriff's attack. The hippogriff claws you. The hippogriff barely misses you. The hippogriff pecks you but does no damage. You block the hippogriff's attack. All of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have completely rotted away. The hippogriff bites the plant. The hippogriff pecks the plant but does no damage. The hippogriff claws the plant but does no damage. 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Vanquished Creatures A death yak (D:10) The ghost of Jarlyk the Slasher, an experienced DsFi of Ashenzari (D:8) Pikel (D:8) A hill giant (D:8) A spiny frog (Lair:1) A komodo dragon (D:10) 3 polar bears (D:10) A troll (D:11) Prince Ribbit (D:7) 22 yaks A wraith (D:10) A hill giant zombie (D:11) A hippogriff (D:8) A hungry ghost (D:8) 2 wyverns A wolf (D:10) A porcupine (Lair:1) A yellow wasp (D:9) A deep dwarf (D:8) 4 ice beasts 2 giant goldfish (D:10) 5 ogres A big kobold (D:10) 2 water moccasins (Lair:1) A crocodile (D:10) 5 centaurs A giant slug (Lair:1) Blork the orc (D:8) A gnoll sergeant (D:9) 3 giant frogs A wyvern skeleton (D:11) 2 yak zombies 2 jellyfish (D:10) 12 wights An electric eel (D:10) 7 crimson imps A jelly (Lair:1) A big fish (D:10) 8 orc priests A yellow wasp zombie (D:8) 4 hounds A giant frog skeleton (D:7) 3 iguanas A gnoll shaman (D:8) 10 orc wizards A shapeshifter simulacrum (D:10) A yak simulacrum (D:10) A scorpion (D:5) 9 worker ants Ijyb (D:7) 4 mummies 10 gnolls 10 adders A worm zombie (D:10) 2 giant mites (D:5) 7 white imps (D:10) 2 ufetubi (D:10) 5 worms 8 human zombies (D:10) An adder zombie (D:6) 3 giant eyeballs 5 giant geckos An ooze (D:3) 25 orcs A ball python (D:4) 29 bats A bat zombie (D:5) 12 giant cockroaches 13 goblins 12 hobgoblins 11 jackals 6 quokkas 4 giant newts 4 hobgoblin zombies 20 kobolds A kobold skeleton (D:7) An orc skeleton (D:7) An orc zombie (D:4) 18 rats 355 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) Maurice (D:8) A sky beast (D:8) An ice beast (D:8) 2 slaves (D:8) A phantom (D:8) A hobgoblin (D:8) A rat (D:8) 2 plants (D:6) 10 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 365 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Jarlyk, the Demonspawn Fighter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 0/0 200 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have large cloven feet. [demonic ancestry] 200 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/1 667 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have hoof-like feet. [demonic ancestry] 667 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/30 MP: 2/2 835 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth 1066 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging 1066 | D:2 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of nearby defeated enemies. [demonic ancestry] 1066 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/36 MP: 3/3 1459 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1624 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 1641 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 1641 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of defeated enemies. [demonic ancestry] 1641 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 29/41 MP: 4/4 1712 | D:3 | HP: 2/41 [orc priest/divine providence (12)] 2285 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Long Blades 2437 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/48 MP: 5/5 2466 | D:4 | HP: 2/48 [wight/trident (3)] 3005 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades 3082 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3109 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3154 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 3586 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [demonic ancestry] 3586 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 54/54 MP: 6/6 3661 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4069 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 4362 | D:6 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 4417 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Long Blades 4720 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 4885 | D:7 | Noticed Ijyb 4902 | D:7 | Killed Ijyb 5217 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 60/62 MP: 7/7 5288 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 5293 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Long Blades 5783 | D:6 | Identified the ring of Impatience {rPois Str+3 Dam+3 SInv} (You took it off a wight on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5948 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 6241 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 6259 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 6449 | D:7 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry] 6449 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 56/69 MP: 12/12 6514 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6520 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6538 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 6548 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 6570 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 6609 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 6747 | D:8 | Found Shout's General Store. 6756 | D:8 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 6890 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant 6907 | D:8 | Killed a hill giant 6907 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6907 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 7074 | D:8 | Noticed Maurice 7144 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting 7183 | D:8 | Killed Maurice 7422 | D:8 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of all defeated enemies in sight. [demonic ancestry] 7422 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 68/78 MP: 15/15 7688 | D:8 | Noticed Jarlyk's ghost (experienced DsFi) 7708 | D:8 | Killed Jarlyk's ghost 8153 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting 8195 | D:9 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 8459 | D:9 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 8588 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8616 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 8637 | D:10 | Killed a death yak 8715 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 8952 | D:10 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of horns on your head. [demonic ancestry] 8952 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 58/87 MP: 17/17 9518 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting 9570 | D:10 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 10178 | D:11 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar. 10188 | Bazaar | Entered a bazaar 10188 | Bazaar | Found Cadwinnoa's Magical Wand Shop. 10188 | Bazaar | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 10188 | Bazaar | Found Xybihus' Antique Weapon Shop. 10221 | Bazaar | Found Mniag's Antique Armour Boutique. 10228 | Bazaar | Found Ginaoc's General Store. 10240 | Bazaar | Found Zoinolo's Magic Scroll Emporium. 10248 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of curse armour for 22 gold pieces 10268 | Bazaar | Bought a glowing plate armour for 552 gold pieces 10319 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10342 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 10547 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 10641 | Lair:1 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Falchion | 104 | 234 | 242 | || 580 Long sword | | | 209 | 524 || 733 Throw: Javelin | | | 3 | || 3 Dart | | | 16 | 6 || 22 Abil: Evoke Flight | | 1 | | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | | 13 || 13 Use: Scroll | | 11 | 8 | 17 || 36 Potion | | 1 | | 4 || 5 Stab: Paralysed | | | | 1 || 1

Wednesday, 20th November 2013, 21:43 by rebthor

Yes, you should run from them for now. Once you find a good wand or other ranged attack, you can use that to kill them assuming you have room. They have pretty bad MR so your scroll of fear should work if you somehow end up next to one.

And finally once you get to about 35ish AC, you can just kill them with whatever since they can't really punch through that level of AC. You might take some damage here and there, but it should be rare.

Wednesday, 20th November 2013, 21:47 by Sandman25

Every time a head grows Hydra is healed somewhat so fighting it with a low damage weapon like Short Sword is not a good idea no matter how high your AC is.

Wednesday, 20th November 2013, 21:57 by dck

If you're using a sblade with low damage you likely have some way to stab it so that doesn't stop working later down the road for some reason, if you have a sabre (which is the only sbl that cuts heads) you probably do more than enough damage to kill the hydra too by then.

Wednesday, 20th November 2013, 23:38 by BlackSheep

Short swords will remove hydra heads as well.

Wednesday, 20th November 2013, 23:55 by Jarlyk

Found a wand of cold, which lets me soften up the hydras, then I can kill them quickly up close (even if it does spawn a few heads in the process.)

Just cleared out a small vault on Lair:8 and found something interesting:

Code:: U - the ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of regeneration] It affects your health (+15).

This sounds really good, but it makes me wonder if there's a downside. The description makes it sound like it might increase hunger, though I did also find an amulet of the Gourmand in the same vault, which I could potentially swap out for my current guardian spirit amulet.

On a side note: rank 3 powered by death is really, really fun, especially when slaughtering a herd of death yaks.

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 00:05 by tompliss

wiki wrote:your metabolism is increased by 3 (twice that of the average character). This metabolism increase does not apply when you are at full health and not sick

Less hunger/HP efficient than a troll hide, but just a little more regen than those. and the 15 bonus HP is really good, especially at low level, so... yeah, put it on

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 00:12 by Jarlyk

Cool, sounds like the ring is definitely better than the ring of flight. Changing jewelry is awkward because of having to do the whole curse dance (uncurse gloves, uncurse ring, remove ring, place ring, uncurse amulet, put on amulet of gourmand.) I think I might leave my jewelry slots uncursed for a while, since I don't benefit all that much from those particular skill boosts at the moment.

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 00:13 by Sandman25

BlackSheep wrote:Short swords will remove hydra heads as well.

Is there an easy way to determine which weapon adds head and which not?

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 00:13 by dck

BlackSheep wrote:Short swords will remove hydra heads as well.

whoops.

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 00:16 by Sandman25

It is usually a good idea to leave gloves and 1 ring uncursed, it will allow you to swap a ring while still having Ash boost because you have 3 armour and 2 jewelry items cursed.

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 01:15 by Jarlyk

Well, YASD. First time visting the Snake Pit and had never met Lamia before. The rest of the nagas were pretty easy (had rPois and the regeneration ring pretty much counteracted what poison did make it through.) When I saw Lamia, she hit me with a poison arrow for a fair chunk of damage, so I figured she was a mage type and stepped around a corner to lure her into melee range. After hitting her a few times, I notice she's killing me faster than I'm killing her. I pop teleport at about 50% HP left and try to chug curing potions until it kicks in, but it wasn't enough.

In retrospect, I probably should've ignored the poison status and used heal wounds potions instead. If I see her again, I'll be sure to be better prepared before engaging. It's always tricky knowing which uniques are the really dangerous ones.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13.0 (tiles) character file. 59911 Jarlyk the Fighter (level 14, -1/130 HPs) Began as a Demonspawn Fighter on Nov 20, 2013. Was the Champion of Ashenzari. Slain by Lamia ... wielding a +5,+2 anti-magic bardiche (26 damage) ... on Level 3 of the Snake Pit. The game lasted 02:42:13 (18692 turns). Jarlyk the Fighter (Demonspawn Fighter) Turns: 18692, Time: 02:42:13 HP -1/130 AC 22 Str 24 XL: 14 Next: 51% MP 0/25 EV 7 Int 10 God: Ashenzari [******] Gold 949 SH 14 Dex 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 15 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + v - +5,+2 elf long sword (slice) (curse) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . I - +2 plate armour {rF+} (curse) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . a - +1 dwarf buckler (curse) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (helmet unavailable) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + f - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . n - +0 pair of orc gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . V - +0 pair of orc boots Res.Rott. : . Flight : . S - amulet of the gourmand Gourmand : + b - cursed ring of Impatience {rPois Str+3 Dam+3 SInv} U - cursed ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15} @: about to teleport, constricted, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: claws 1, hooves 2, horns 3, powered by death 3, spiny 1 a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion You were on level 3 of the Snake Pit. You worshipped Ashenzari. Ashenzari was exalted by your worship. You were very full. You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 23 of its levels. You visited 1 bazaar. You collected 1503 gold pieces. You spent 574 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons r - a +1,+1 long sword of holy wrath v - a cursed +5,+2 elven long sword of slicing (weapon) Missiles G - 7 steel javelins (quivered) Armour a - a cursed +1 dwarven buckler (worn) f - a +0 cloak (worn) n - a +0 pair of orcish gloves (worn) I - a cursed +2 plate armour of fire resistance (worn) V - a +0 pair of orcish boots (worn) Magical devices l - a wand of cold (8) y - a wand of disintegration (9) z - a wand of magic darts (17) C - a wand of digging (12) F - a wand of paralysis (8) H - a wand of slowing (7) M - a wand of enslavement (11) N - a wand of draining (7) W - a wand of cold (0) Comestibles c - an orange d - 3 bread rations j - 6 meat rations B - 2 apples Scrolls e - 3 scrolls of recharging g - 3 scrolls of identify h - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon II k - 3 scrolls of remove curse m - 2 scrolls of fog p - 2 scrolls of teleportation q - 2 scrolls of magic mapping x - a scroll of curse weapon Jewellery b - the cursed ring of Impatience (right hand) {rPois Str+3 Dam+3 SInv} (You took it off a wight on level 6 of the Dungeon) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (+3). It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3). It protects you from poison. It enhances your eyesight. It has a curse placed upon it. S - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck) U - the cursed ring of Vitality (left hand) {Regen HP+15} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of regeneration] It affects your health (+15). It has a curse placed upon it. Potions i - a potion of might s - a potion of brilliance t - 2 potions of speed u - a potion of cure mutation w - a potion of curing A - a potion of restore abilities D - a potion of berserk rage L - 6 potions of heal wounds Miscellaneous o - a phial of floods Skills: + Level 14.7 Fighting - Level 10.2(14.5) Long Blades * Level 12.7 Armour - Level 7.0 Dodging - Level 1.0 Stealth - Level 5.9(9.0) Shields - Level 1.2 Spellcasting + Level 8.0(11.0) Evocations You had 15 spell levels left. You didn't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/27) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (0/4) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:11 Shoals (0/5) Lair:6 Snake (3/5) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Shops: D:8 * Snake:1 %[?% Snake:2 [( Annotations: D:7 exclusion: upstairs Snake:1 Roxanne Snake:3 Lamia Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have sharp fingernails. You have hoof-like feet. You have a pair of large horns on your head. You can steal the life force of all defeated enemies in sight. You are partially covered in sharp spines. Message History You feel strangely unstable. Lamia gestures wildly while chanting. Lamia attempts to bespell you! You resist. Lamia constricts you! You slice Lamia!! You headbutt Lamia, but do no damage. Lamia is heavily wounded. Lamia hits you with an anti-magic bardiche! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You feel your power leaking away. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Lamia constricts you. You feel better. You feel better. Lamia hits you with an anti-magic bardiche! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You feel your power leaking away. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Lamia constricts you! You feel better. Lamia hits you with an anti-magic bardiche! 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Vanquished Creatures An ice dragon (Lair:6) 6 hydras 5 anacondas A ravenous feature mimic (Snake:1) A deep troll shaman (Lair:8) 4 death yaks 6 naga warriors 8 spectral orcs (Lair:3) A catoblepas (Lair:8) Nergalle (Lair:3) The ghost of Jarlyk the Slasher, an experienced DsFi of Ashenzari (D:8) A lindwurm (Lair:8) Pikel (D:8) A hill giant (D:8) 11 black mambas 4 elephants (Lair:8) A feature mimic (Lair:4) 7 spiny frogs 5 naga magi 6 komodo dragons 3 polar bears (D:10) A troll (D:11) Sonja (Snake:1) Prince Ribbit (D:7) 11 blink frogs 42 yaks A wraith (D:10) A hill giant zombie (D:11) 2 sharks (Lair:6) An elephant slug (Lair:7) 4 hippogriffs A hungry ghost (D:8) 2 wyverns 27 wolves 6 porcupines 61 nagas A yellow wasp (D:9) A deep dwarf (D:8) 4 ice beasts 2 black bears 2 giant goldfish (D:10) 5 ogres A big kobold (D:10) A boring beetle (Lair:8) 17 water moccasins 13 crocodiles 5 centaurs 8 giant slugs Blork the orc (D:8) A gnoll sergeant (D:9) 18 giant frogs 4 agate snails A wyvern skeleton (D:11) 2 yak zombies 2 jellyfish (D:10) 12 wights 2 electric eels 2 pulsating lumps (Lair:8) 7 crimson imps A jelly (Lair:1) 3 big fish 8 orc priests A yellow wasp zombie (D:8) 7 hounds A giant frog skeleton (D:7) 7 iguanas A gnoll shaman (D:8) 10 orc wizards A shapeshifter simulacrum (D:10) A yak simulacrum (D:10) A scorpion (D:5) 9 worker ants 13 sheep (Lair:8) Ijyb (D:7) 4 mummies 10 gnolls 45 green rats 39 adders A worm zombie (D:10) 3 giant centipedes 3 giant mites 10 white imps 2 ufetubi (D:10) 5 worms 8 human zombies (D:10) An adder zombie (D:6) 3 giant eyeballs 9 giant geckos An ooze (D:3) 25 orcs A ball python (D:4) 33 bats A bat zombie (D:5) 12 giant cockroaches 13 goblins 12 hobgoblins 19 jackals 8 quokkas 4 giant newts 4 hobgoblin zombies 20 kobolds A kobold skeleton (D:7) An orc skeleton (D:7) An orc zombie (D:4) 23 rats A fungus (Lair:7) A plant (Lair:8) 738 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A naga (Snake:1) A water moccasin (Snake:1) A quokka (Lair:6) 3 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) Maurice (D:8) 2 nagas (Snake:2) A sky beast (D:8) An ice beast (D:8) 2 slaves (D:8) A phantom (D:8) A hobgoblin (D:8) A rat (D:8) 3 fungi 8 plants 21 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 762 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Jarlyk, the Demonspawn Fighter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 0/0 200 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have large cloven feet. [demonic ancestry] 200 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/24 MP: 1/1 667 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have hoof-like feet. [demonic ancestry] 667 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/30 MP: 2/2 835 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth 1066 | D:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging 1066 | D:2 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of nearby defeated enemies. [demonic ancestry] 1066 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/36 MP: 3/3 1459 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1624 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 1641 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 1641 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of defeated enemies. [demonic ancestry] 1641 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 29/41 MP: 4/4 1712 | D:3 | HP: 2/41 [orc priest/divine providence (12)] 2285 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Long Blades 2437 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/48 MP: 5/5 2466 | D:4 | HP: 2/48 [wight/trident (3)] 3005 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades 3082 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3109 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3154 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 3586 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [demonic ancestry] 3586 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 54/54 MP: 6/6 3661 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4069 | D:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 4362 | D:6 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 4417 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Long Blades 4720 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 4885 | D:7 | Noticed Ijyb 4902 | D:7 | Killed Ijyb 5217 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 60/62 MP: 7/7 5288 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 5293 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Long Blades 5783 | D:6 | Identified the ring of Impatience {rPois Str+3 Dam+3 SInv} (You took it off a wight on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5948 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 6241 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 6259 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 6449 | D:7 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry] 6449 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 56/69 MP: 12/12 6514 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6520 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6538 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 6548 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 6570 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 6609 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 6747 | D:8 | Found Shout's General Store. 6756 | D:8 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 6890 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant 6907 | D:8 | Killed a hill giant 6907 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6907 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 7074 | D:8 | Noticed Maurice 7144 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting 7183 | D:8 | Killed Maurice 7422 | D:8 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of all defeated enemies in sight. [demonic ancestry] 7422 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 68/78 MP: 15/15 7688 | D:8 | Noticed Jarlyk's ghost (experienced DsFi) 7708 | D:8 | Killed Jarlyk's ghost 8153 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting 8195 | D:9 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 8459 | D:9 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 8588 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8616 | D:10 | Noticed a death yak 8637 | D:10 | Killed a death yak 8715 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 8952 | D:10 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of horns on your head. [demonic ancestry] 8952 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 58/87 MP: 17/17 9518 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting 9570 | D:10 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 10178 | D:11 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar. 10188 | Bazaar | Entered a bazaar 10188 | Bazaar | Found Cadwinnoa's Magical Wand Shop. 10188 | Bazaar | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 10188 | Bazaar | Found Xybihus' Antique Weapon Shop. 10221 | Bazaar | Found Mniag's Antique Armour Boutique. 10228 | Bazaar | Found Ginaoc's General Store. 10240 | Bazaar | Found Zoinolo's Magic Scroll Emporium. 10248 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of curse armour for 22 gold pieces 10268 | Bazaar | Bought a glowing plate armour for 552 gold pieces 10319 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10342 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 10547 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 10641 | Lair:1 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 10877 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting 11061 | Lair:2 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 11109 | Lair:2 | Identified the +0 scale mail of Heusk {+Blink +Rage +Inv} 11128 | Lair:2 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 11531 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 97/97 MP: 18/18 11811 | Lair:3 | Noticed Nergalle 11838 | Lair:3 | Killed Nergalle 12473 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Long Blades 12566 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 12725 | Lair:4 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 12725 | Lair:4 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 12727 | Lair:4 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 13102 | Lair:4 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 13118 | Lair:4 | Killed a 12-headed hydra 13118 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting 13515 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting 14260 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 14334 | Lair:6 | Noticed an ice dragon 14345 | Lair:6 | Killed an ice dragon 14345 | Lair:6 | Gained mutation: You have sharp fingernails. [demonic ancestry] 14345 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 70/105 MP: 12/19 14725 | Lair:7 | Identified the +3 ring mail "Tixkets" {rElec Acc-1} 15133 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 15302 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 15450 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 15813 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 15902 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting 16635 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 16635 | Snake:1 | Noticed Roxanne 16639 | Snake:1 | Found Gasono's Food Emporium. 16666 | Snake:1 | Found Jytash's Antique Armour Emporium. 16733 | Snake:1 | Noticed Sonja 16748 | Snake:1 | Killed Sonja 16798 | Snake:1 | Found Xosop's Jewellery Shoppe. 16798 | Snake:1 | Xosop's Jewellery Shoppe was a mimic. 16808 | Snake:1 | Found Skemp's Food Boutique. 16985 | Snake:1 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of large horns on your head. [demonic ancestry] 16985 | Snake:1 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 114/114 MP: 23/23 17120 | Snake:1 | Found Acianuagh's Magic Scroll Emporium. 17424 | Snake:2 | Found Mustraatu's Antique Weapon Boutique. 17817 | Snake:2 | Found Niam's Antique Armour Boutique. 18110 | Snake:3 | Identified the +7,+4 whip of the Shore {slash, -Cast Str+4} 18672 | Snake:3 | Noticed Lamia 18692 | Snake:3 | Slain by Lamia Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Falchion | 104 | 234 | 242 | | || 580 Long sword | | | 209 | 1030 | 704 || 1943 Throw: Javelin | | | 3 | | || 3 Dart | | | 16 | 8 | || 24 Invok: Scrying | | | | 1 | || 1 Abil: Evoke Flight | | 1 | | | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | | 30 | 17 || 47 Use: Scroll | | 11 | 8 | 30 | 12 || 61 Potion | | 1 | | 8 | 5 || 14 Stab: Paralysed | | | | 10 | || 10 Distracted | | | | | 1 || 1 Fleeing | | | | | 1 || 1

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 02:47 by Sandman25

Consider using knowledge bot and/or wiki. If you knew her stats, you'd probably avoid her until XL 27 or even forever depending on your character.

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 07:50 by rchandra

Looking her up is of course best, but the bardiche should be a pretty big clue that she has good melee. Also being a naga.

Thursday, 21st November 2013, 15:54 by BlackSheep

Sandman25 wrote:
BlackSheep wrote:Short swords will remove hydra heads as well.

Is there an easy way to determine which weapon adds head and which not?

I think if it's an edged weapon and not a dagger or quick blade, it removes heads.

Friday, 22nd November 2013, 14:40 by DracheReborn

Just to add to the confusion, spears/tridents/dtridents don't cut hydra heads, but halberds/glaives/bardiches do. Is it obvious to everyone that bardiches have edged blades but tridents don't? It wasn't to me anyway. Oh and staves/qstaves don't, while lajatangs do, but this one's a bit more obvious.

I've died to Lamia too so I feel your pain. Avoid!

Friday, 22nd November 2013, 16:20 by BlackSheep

I guess if you're playing console and have never seen a picture of a trident it could be confusing.

Friday, 22nd November 2013, 16:41 by DracheReborn

Is that tiles reasons? :shock:

I went back and read the weapon descriptions, and it turns out that halberd, glaive, and bardiche all have the word "blade" embedded in the descriptions, while spear, trident, and demon trident don't. So I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention. Still seems spoilery to me.

Friday, 22nd November 2013, 17:48 by rchandra

DracheReborn wrote:Is that tiles reasons? :shock:

I went back and read the weapon descriptions, and it turns out that halberd, glaive, and bardiche all have the word "blade" embedded in the descriptions, while spear, trident, and demon trident don't. So I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention. Still seems spoilery to me.

that's spoilery on the level of "beef jerky is meat".

Friday, 22nd November 2013, 17:50 by Siegurt

DracheReborn wrote:Is that tiles reasons?

I went back and read the weapon descriptions, and it turns out that halberd, glaive, and bardiche all have the word "blade" embedded in the descriptions, while spear, trident, and demon trident don't. So I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention. Still seems spoilery to me.

Yeah, there's definitely some assumption that people know the difference between "Poke-y weapon on a stick" and "Slash-y weapon on a stick" (Though halberds were technically both slashing and poking weapons) which could be spoilery (Personally I find the distinction between "quick blade" and "short sword" more spoilery for hydra-head-hacking))

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