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Spider Stomper

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Joined: Friday, 5th August 2011, 13:18

Post Tuesday, 10th September 2013, 23:21

YASD! / Advice : OpAs Darts of doom

I usually know how I got myself killed, but this one really took me by surprise. 38 damage from an unbranded dart thrown by a Vault Warden.

Given I was playing an Octopode, so high damage wasn't entirely unexpected, but this seemed extreme.

I'd take any feedback anyone has on predicting such high damage spikes when playing with low-AC characters. Should I just look at the listed melee damage on the wiki/bot and guess ranged will be in the ballpark? Is the monster HD a better predictor? I know how I'd avoid it had I known he could deal such damage, but it would help to have an idea what kind of monsters are capable of spikes like that so I'm not running away from every orc warrior I see if I'm under 50 hp.

Thanks!

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13-a0-3012-g9b01eff (console) character file.

115709 Picchu the Sharpshooter (level 16, -3/99 HPs)
             Began as an Octopode Assassin on Sept 9, 2013.
             Was a High Priest of Okawaru.
             Hit by a dart thrown by a vault warden (38 damage)
             ... on Level 1 of the Vaults on Sept 10, 2013.
             The game lasted 04:52:46 (40171 turns).

Picchu the Sharpshooter (Octopode Assassin)        Turns: 40171, Time: 04:52:46

HP  -3/99        AC  2     Str 15      XL: 16   Next: 65%
MP  28/28        EV 16     Int 17      God: Okawaru [*****.]
Gold 1444        SH  0     Dex 18      Spells:  7 memorised,  1 level left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : +   k - +4,+5 crossbow (velocity)
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : +   (no shield)
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .   y - +1 cap {Int+3}
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   V - amulet of Egomania {Ward rC++ rN+ SInv}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   h - +3 ring of strength
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   (no ring)
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   X - ring of teleport control
Res.Rott. : .       Flight     : .   Z - ring of protection from magic
Saprovore : . . .                    J - ring of protection from fire
                                     e - ring of poison resistance
                                     N - ring of invisibility
                                     Q - ring of protection from magic

@: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: almost no armour, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, camouflage 1, AC +1
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Teleport
Control


You were on level 1 of the Vaults.
You worshipped Okawaru.
Okawaru was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and saw 31 of its levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Trove.

You collected 3167 gold pieces.
You spent 1773 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 i - the +10,+0 crossbow "Sniper" {venom, SInv}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   It poisons the ammo it fires.
   
   It enhances your eyesight.
 k - a +4,+5 crossbow of velocity (weapon)
 l - a +4,+5 dwarven crossbow of flame
 r - the +9,+3 crossbow "Octopus' Regret" {elec, rElec Stlth++}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   It charges the ammunition it shoots with electricity; occasionally upon a
   hit, such missiles may discharge and cause terrible harm.
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 s - a +2,+1 crossbow of velocity
 D - a +2,+2 crossbow of frost
 I - the +7,+5 scimitar of Flaming Death {flame, rPois rF++ rC- MR}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to
   double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades
   are also staple armaments of hydra-hunters.
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Missiles
 b - 13 poisoned bolts
 p - 10 silver bolts
 t - a poisoned javelin
 u - 51 stones
 w - a javelin of returning
 A - 2 bolts of flame (quivered)
 C - 7 javelins of penetration
 O - 3 steel bolts
 P - 11 bolts of frost
 W - 4 darts of dispersal
Armour
 f - a +1 shield of protection
 y - a +1 cap of intelligence (worn)
 T - the +3 hat of Pondering {ponderous, MR+ MP+10 Int+5}
   (You took it off Gastronok on level 3 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It affects your magic capacity (+10).
Magical devices
 d - a wand of digging (9)
 j - a wand of heal wounds (2)
 E - a wand of disintegration (4)
Comestibles
 g - 2 bread rations
Scrolls
 c - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 q - a scroll of remove curse
 z - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 S - a scroll of magic mapping
Jewellery
 e - a ring of poison resistance (on tentacle)
 h - a +3 ring of strength (left tentacle)
 n - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 x - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 B - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 G - the ring of the Centipede {Ice Str+3 Int+4}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
 J - a ring of protection from fire (on tentacle)
 M - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 N - a ring of invisibility (on tentacle)
 Q - a ring of protection from magic (on tentacle)
 V - the amulet of Egomania (around mantle) {Ward rC++ rN+ SInv}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 X - a ring of teleport control (on tentacle)
 Z - a ring of protection from magic (on tentacle)
Potions
 a - 3 potions of restore abilities
 H - a potion of resistance
 R - a potion of cure mutation
 Y - 2 potions of curing
Books
 o - a book of Annihilations {highlevel}   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Poison Arrow                       Conjuration/Poison           6
   Orb of Destruction                 Conjuration                  7
   Chain Lightning                    Conjuration/Air              8
   Lehudib's Crystal Spear            Conjuration/Earth            8
   Ice Storm                          Conjuration/Ice              9
   Fire Storm                         Conjuration/Fire             9
 F - a book of Dreams   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Ensorcelled Hibernation            Hexes/Ice                    2
   *Flight                            Charms/Air                   3
   Phase Shift                        Translocation                5
   Shadow Creatures                   Summoning                    5
   Mass Confusion                     Hexes                        6
   Darkness                           Hexes                        7
 K - a Necronomicon {highlevel}   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Borgnjor's Revivification          Necromancy                   7
   Haunt                              Necromancy/Summoning         7
   Death's Door                       Charms/Necromancy            8
   Necromutation                      Transmutation/Necromancy     8
 U - a book of Spatial Translocations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Apportation                       Translocation                1
   Portal Projectile                  Translocation                2
   *Blink                             Translocation                2
   *Shroud of Golubria                Charms/Translocation         2
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Passage of Golubria                Translocation                4
Miscellaneous
 v - a fan of gales
   Skills:
 - Level 6.7 Fighting
   Level 2.0 Short Blades
 * Level 19.6 Crossbows
 - Level 13.5 Throwing
 - Level 5.8 Dodging
 - Level 5.3 Stealth
 + Level 6.8 Charms
 - Level 6.0 Translocations
 - Level 4.0 Air Magic
 - Level 9.0 Invocations


You had one spell level left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Corpse Rot            Necr           N/A          34%         2    ###....
b - Flight                Chrm/Air       ###.......   10%         3    ####...
c - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ###.......   4%          2    ###....
d - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      ###.......   2%          2    ###....
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          2%          2    ###....
f - Apportation           Tloc           ###.......   1%          1    ##.....
g - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ###.......   4%          2    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (16/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:10
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:11          Swamp (0/5) Lair:4
 Spider (0/5) Lair:3        Slime (0/6) Lair:8       Vaults (2/5) D:15
 Crypt: Vaults:2-3  Forest: Vaults:2-3 

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:7 %   D:13 *   Orc:1 [   Orc:2 /   Orc:4 +!}(   Vaults:1 *

Annotations:
D:5 TheHza's ghost, experienced OpAs
D:8 Acidburn6's ghost, experienced GrFi
D:9 come back for lindwurms and treasure, Erolcha
D:14 Nikola
D:15 Rupert
Orc:3 Nessos
Orc:4 come back later
Lair:4 come back for dragon
Lair:5 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear most types of armour.
You are amphibious.
You can wear up to eight rings at the same time.
You can use your tentacles to constrict many enemies at once.
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stlth).
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks (AC +1).


Message History

You shoot a bolt of flame.
The bolt of flame hits the vault warden.
The vault warden appears unharmed.
The vault warden is moderately wounded.
The vault warden throws a dart. The dart hits you!
Firing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): A - 4 bolts of flame (quivered)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - vault warden
Aim: a vault warden, wielding a runed orcish scimitar and wearing an orcish plate armour (moderately wounded)
You shoot a bolt of flame.
The bolt of flame hits the vault warden.
The vault warden is moderately wounded.
The vault warden throws a dart. The dart hits you!
Firing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): A - 3 bolts of flame (quivered)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - vault warden
Aim: a vault warden, wielding a runed orcish scimitar and wearing an orcish plate armour (moderately wounded)
You shoot a bolt of flame.
The bolt of flame hits the vault warden.
The vault warden is heavily wounded.
The vault warden throws a dart. The dart hits you!
You die...

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You could see a vault warden.

Vanquished Creatures
  Maud (D:14)
  Gastronok (Orc:3)
  Snorg (D:16)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  2 dragons
  2 vault guards
  An ironheart preserver (Vaults:1)
  Fannar (D:16)
  A great orb of eyes (Vaults:1)
  Josephine (Orc:3)
  12 spriggans (Lair:8)
  7 hydras
  An ice dragon (Vaults:1)
  Erica (D:11)
  2 deep troll shamans (Vaults:1)
  A spriggan druid (D:15)
  A rakshasa (Vaults:1)
  Nergalle (Orc:4)
  2 orc high priests (Orc:4)
  3 ogre magi
  4 unseen horrors
  4 skeletal warriors (Vaults:1)
  5 centaur warriors
  2 deep trolls (Vaults:1)
  3 orc knights
  11 hill giants
  Joseph (D:7)
  A stone giant zombie (Vaults:1)
  6 orc sorcerers
  2 ironbrand convokers
  A wolf spider (D:15)
  A griffon (D:16)
  A wolf spider zombie (D:15)
  4 lindwurms (D:9)
  A sphinx skeleton (Vaults:1)
  5 elephants (Lair:7)
  3 spiny worms
  3 cyclopes
  2 vault sentinels (Vaults:1)
  2 stone giant skeletons (Vaults:1)
  3 black mambas
  2 frost giant skeletons (Vaults:1)
  6 spiny frogs
  An item mimic (Lair:4)
  Psyche (D:13)
  3 yaktaurs (Vaults:1)
  An iron troll zombie (Vaults:1)
  A mermaid (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  A smoke demon (Vaults:1)
  2 komodo dragons
  A hydra zombie (D:16)
  A fire drake (Lair:8)
  A hellwing (D:15)
  10 two-headed ogres
  A red devil (Orc:4)
  An iron troll skeleton (Vaults:2)
  3 minotaur zombies (Lab)
  4 trolls
  A giant firefly (Lair:8)
  A polar bear (Lair:8)
  18 slime creatures (Vaults:1)
  Prince Ribbit (D:7)
  2 boulder beetles
  16 blink frogs
  A giant leech (Lair:4)
  2 ettin zombies
  9 grizzly bears
  A stone giant simulacrum (Vaults:2)
  2 wraiths
  2 basilisks
  A hog (D:14)
  2 shadows
  45 yaks
  A vampire (Vaults:2)
  An elephant slug (Lair:6)
  44 ugly things
  Eustachio (D:9)
  9 vampire mosquitoes
  A wyvern (D:13)
  A spiny worm zombie (Vaults:1)
  A rock worm (Vaults:1)
  A hungry ghost (D:9)
  A mottled dragon (Vaults:1)
  A deep troll zombie (Vaults:1)
  7 hippogriffs
  A manticore (D:9)
  A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  A soldier ant (D:16)
  25 wolves
  A necrophage (D:12)
  5 sky beasts
  A yellow wasp (D:8)
  8 porcupines
  7 ice beasts
  A freezing wraith (Vaults:1)
  10 black bears
  40 orc warriors
  A human (D:14)
  A boring beetle (Lair:8)
  2 phantoms
  24 ogres
  7 water moccasins
  16 centaurs
  Duvessa (D:8)
  15 crocodiles
  9 giant slugs
  5 big kobolds
  3 wargs
  A komodo dragon zombie (D:13)
  A yaktaur skeleton (D:15)
  A wyvern zombie (D:12)
  A brain worm (D:15)
  4 agate snails
  A manticore zombie (D:14)
  16 giant frogs
  A manticore skeleton (D:7)
  A hippogriff zombie (D:8)
  An eye of draining (D:10)
  7 killer bees
  13 wights
  A troll skeleton (D:7)
  2 jellyfish (Lair:4)
  Dowan (D:8)
  14 hounds
  A quasit (D:9)
  5 big fish
  5 jellies
  18 crimson imps
  6 goliath beetles
  54 orc wizards
  33 orc priests
  8 spiders (Lair:3)
  A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:10)
  A warg skeleton (Orc:3)
  10 iguanas
  An iron imp (D:9)
  A scorpion (D:4)
  8 worker ants
  A mottled dragon zombie (D:14)
  Ijyb (D:7)
  Jessica (D:2)
  9 boggarts (D:16)
  An ogre zombie (Orc:3)
  A hound skeleton (D:9)
  A hound zombie (D:6)
  A mummy (D:5)
  3 gnolls (D:6)
  2 giant centipedes
  35 green rats
  2 giant mites
  23 adders
  A shadow imp (D:8)
  8 worms
  An ufetubus (D:9)
  7 orc zombies
  21 grey rats (D:8)
  6 orc skeletons
  A scorpion zombie (D:8)
  3 giant eyeballs
  6 giant geckos
  2 oozes (D:2)
  204 orcs
  2 ball pythons
  23 bats
  A bat skeleton (D:6)
  5 giant cockroaches
  21 goblins
  14 hobgoblins
  13 jackals
  4 quokkas
  A giant gecko zombie (D:5)
  7 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:11)
  A goblin zombie (Orc:3)
  4 grey rat skeletons (D:8)
  A hobgoblin zombie (D:5)
  2 illusory rakshasas (Vaults:1)
  34 kobolds
  An orc simulacrum (Orc:3)
  33 rats
  16 ballistomycetes (D:11)
  A butterfly (Lair:5)
  7 fungi
  3 plants
1260 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  3 yaks (D:10)
  An orc priest (Orc:3)
  An orc wizard (D:9)
  8 orcs
  A quokka (D:9)
14 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A ball lightning (Vaults:1)
  A slime creature (Vaults:1)
  An air elemental (D:16)
  A yak (D:10)
  A steam dragon (D:10)
  3 orc wizards
  2 orcs (Orc:3)
  2 fungi (Lair:2)
  3 plants (Lair:7)
15 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1289 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Picchu, the Octopode Assassin, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 0/0
   252 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/18 MP: 1/1
   650 | D:2      | Noticed Jessica
   655 | D:2      | Killed Jessica
   655 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/23 MP: 2/2
   885 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/29 MP: 3/3
  1493 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
  1493 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 34/34 MP: 4/4
  1745 | D:3      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1745 | D:3      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  1951 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  1964 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  1964 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Throwing
  1964 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 39/39 MP: 5/5
  2170 | D:4      | Got a faintly glowing marble ring
  2234 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Throwing
  2240 | D:4      | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot
  2255 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2295 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2295 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/44 MP: 6/6
  2540 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  2692 | D:5      | Learned a level 3 spell: Flight
  2719 | D:5      | Identified the ring of the Centipede {Ice Str+3 Int+4} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  2754 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Throwing
  3318 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  3342 | D:5      | Noticed TheHza's ghost (experienced OpAs)
  3454 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  4009 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Throwing
  4009 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 47/50 MP: 7/7
  4970 | D:6      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  5057 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing
  5196 | D:7      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  5205 | D:7      | Killed Prince Ribbit
  5258 | D:7      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  5370 | D:7      | Reached skill level 11 in Throwing
  5433 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 14/54 MP: 8/8
  5546 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5556 | D:7      | Found Shakuic's Food Emporium.
  5556 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
  5562 | D:7      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  5676 | D:7      | HP: 2/54 [Joseph/ sling bullet of flame (25)]
  5691 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
  5752 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5813 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  5932 | D:7      | HP: 1/54 [centaur (6)]
  5937 | D:7      | Reached skill level 12 in Throwing
  6187 | D:7      | Noticed Ijyb
  6199 | D:7      | Killed Ijyb
  6780 | D:8      | Noticed Acidburn6's ghost (experienced GrFi)
  6901 | D:7      | Acquired Okawaru's first power
  6989 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  7367 | D:8      | Noticed Duvessa
  7368 | D:8      | Noticed Dowan
  7477 | D:8      | Killed Dowan
  7477 | D:8      | Reached skill level 13 in Throwing
  7617 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 21/60 MP: 14/14
  8549 | D:8      | Killed Duvessa
  9336 | D:9      | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
  9339 | D:9      | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria
  9339 | D:9      | Noticed Eustachio
  9397 | D:9      | Killed Eustachio
  9521 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 10615 | D:9      | Noticed Erolcha
 10746 | D:9      | Noticed a lindwurm
 10746 | D:9      | Noticed a lindwurm
 10746 | D:9      | Noticed a lindwurm
 10746 | D:9      | Noticed a lindwurm
 10879 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10887 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Crossbows
 11175 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 11781 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 68/68 MP: 16/16
 11810 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Crossbows
 12020 | D:10     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 12813 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 12836 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 14272 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 14288 | Lair:2   | Acquired Okawaru's second power
 14633 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 14644 | Lair:2   | HP: 1/68 [blink frog (12)]
 14646 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 15048 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 15048 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 10 in Crossbows
 15117 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 74/74 MP: 20/20
 16023 | Lair:3   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 16030 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 16870 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 17525 | Lair:4   | Noticed a dragon
 18549 | Lair:6   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 18558 | Lair:6   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 18558 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 18682 | Lair:6   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 18694 | Lair:6   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 18698 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 18699 | Lair:6   | Got an ancient shield {god gift}
 18702 | Lair:6   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 18706 | Lair:6   | Identified the +3 shield of the Forest {Int+3 Dam-2} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18729 | Lair:6   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 19944 | Lair:7   | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 19969 | Lair:7   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 19991 | Lair:7   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 20251 | Lair:7   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 79/79 MP: 24/24
 20743 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 20915 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 21034 | Lair:8   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 21036 | Lair:8   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 21635 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 21681 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 14 in Crossbows
 22195 | Lair:8   | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 22533 | Lair:4   | Killed a dragon
 22533 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 22962 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 23121 | Orc:1    | Found Klys' Armour Shop.
 23141 | Orc:1    | Bought a +2 cap of intelligence for 408 gold pieces
 23416 | Orc:2    | Reached XP level 14. HP: 88/88 MP: 26/26
 23665 | Orc:3    | Noticed Nessos
 23739 | Orc:3    | Noticed Gastronok
 23778 | Orc:3    | Killed Gastronok
 23778 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 15 in Crossbows
 23836 | Orc:3    | Noticed Josephine
 23861 | Orc:3    | Killed Josephine
 24354 | Orc:2    | Found Jisut's Magical Wand Boutique.
 24684 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 24793 | Orc:4    | Noticed Nergalle
 25067 | D:11     | Noticed Erica
 25083 | D:11     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 25093 | D:11     | Killed Erica
 25651 | D:12     | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 25825 | D:12     | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 25849 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 26208 | Lab      | Got a warped graven amulet
 26217 | Lab      | Got an ancient pewter ring
 26218 | Lab      | Identified the cursed ring of Fudghet {+/*Tele Str-2 Dex+3} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 26316 | Lab      | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 26442 | D:12     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 26580 | D:12     | Identified the cursed amulet of Egomania {Ward rC++ rN+ SInv} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 26584 | D:12     | hot damn
 26764 | D:12     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 26850 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27087 | D:13     | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations
 27113 | D:13     | Found Uleifuce's General Store.
 27123 | D:13     | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 82 gold pieces
 27123 | D:13     | Bought a scroll of curse jewellery for 30 gold pieces
 27123 | D:13     | Bought a scroll of curse armour for 30 gold pieces
 27184 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27231 | D:13     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 27291 | D:13     | Reached skill level 16 in Crossbows
 27654 | D:13     | Noticed Psyche
 27661 | D:13     | Killed Psyche
 27763 | D:14     | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon
 28144 | D:14     | Noticed Nikola
 28207 | D:14     | Noticed Maud
 28231 | D:14     | Killed Maud
 29253 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 29398 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 29798 | Orc:3    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 91/93 MP: 27/27
 29834 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 29942 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 17 in Crossbows
 29984 | Orc:4    | Killed Nergalle
 29984 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 30151 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 30809 | Orc:4    | Found Kluyptuf's Distillery.
 30809 | Orc:4    | Found Prehuph's Weapon Shoppe.
 30949 | Orc:4    | Found Nosh's Book Emporium.
 30949 | Orc:4    | Found Trabran's Gadget Shoppe.
 31085 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of strong poison for 20 gold pieces
 31085 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of might for 25 gold pieces
 31118 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 31656 | Orc:4    | Bought Wuneycre's Handbook of Aerial Creation for 819 gold pieces
 31661 | Orc:4    | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness
 32085 | D:15     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 32740 | D:15     | Noticed Rupert
 32875 | D:15     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 32995 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 33031 | D:13     | Bought a scroll of recharging for 82 gold pieces
 33412 | D:9      | Killed a lindwurm
 33412 | D:9      | Reached skill level 18 in Crossbows
 33412 | D:9      | Killed a lindwurm
 33413 | D:9      | Killed a lindwurm
 33416 | D:9      | Killed a lindwurm
 33429 | D:9      | Identified the Handbook of Earthen Confrontation
 33627 | Trove    | Entered a treasure trove
 33685 | Trove    | Got a smoking crossbow
 33704 | Trove    | Identified the crossbow "Octopus' Regret" {elec, rElec Stlth++} (You found it in a treasure trove)
 34175 | D:16     | Noticed Snorg
 34177 | D:16     | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
 34193 | D:16     | Killed Snorg
 35077 | D:16     | Noticed Fannar
 35084 | D:16     | Killed Fannar
 35247 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 35251 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 36104 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 36553 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 99/99 MP: 28/28
 36746 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 37192 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 37250 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 37532 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 37565 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 19 in Crossbows
 38304 | Vaults:1 | Found Puxem's Assorted Antiques.
 38335 | Vaults:1 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 203 gold pieces
 38335 | Vaults:1 | Bought a scroll of identify for 74 gold pieces
 39126 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 40171 | Vaults:1 | Hit by a dart thrown by a vault warden


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |    34 |    37 |   159 |   160 |       |       ||   390
       Crossbow          |       |       |       |     5 |     8 |       ||    13
 Fire: Blowgun           |     8 |       |    47 |   106 |    15 |       ||   176
       Sling             |       |       |    14 |     7 |       |       ||    21
       Crossbow          |       |       |       |   825 |  1736 |   418 ||  2979
Throw: Dart              |    27 |    64 |    38 |    27 |    28 |     9 ||   193
       Javelin           |     6 |    22 |    14 |    40 |    62 |    49 ||   193
       Stone             |       |     5 |   154 |    75 |    11 |       ||   245
       Spear             |       |       |    24 |    49 |       |       ||    73
 Cast: Flight            |       |       |       |     3 |     4 |       ||     7
       Corpse Rot        |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Apportation       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Swiftness         |       |       |       |       |     9 |     2 ||    11
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |       |     3 |     4 ||     7
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |     2 |     3 ||     5
       Shroud of Golubri |       |       |       |       |     2 |     3 ||     5
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |       |    27 |    24 |     2 ||    53
       Finesse           |       |       |       |     5 |     8 |     3 ||    16
Evoke: Wand              |       |     6 |    13 |    12 |    15 |     1 ||    47
       Miscellaneous     |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |     7 |    16 |    24 |    30 |     4 ||    81
       Potion            |       |       |     7 |    13 |    13 |     1 ||    34
 Stab: Sleeping          |     5 |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     7
       Distracted        |       |       |     3 |     1 |       |       ||     4

Snake Sneak

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Post Wednesday, 11th September 2013, 00:00

Re: YASD! / Advice Darts of doom

That's extremely unlucky. According to the wiki a warden can hit for up to 36, before weapon damage is factored in. So it probably rolled the max/near max and since you have hardly any ac, splat.

However note that you were only level 16, which is a little low to be doing vaults. Dying to a dart is odd and somewhat embarassing but if you had run into a pack of yaktaurs the result probably would have been the same. Also you only had 16 ev which as an unarmoured char is very low, you needed more dodging. Your skill distribution was also wacky, because you invested heavily in both crossbows and throwing. Choose one or the other and stick with it. The xp invested in throwing could've been used to pump dodging, stealth, fighting, etc.

One final note is that going bows/xbows as an op means you can't effectively use a shield, which makes you extra squishy. With throwing you could use blowguns and wield a shield and stab stuff which leads to an easier time. Unless I found an insane randart xbow/longbow early on (your bow was good but not stupidly good) I would never use a bow as an op.

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Spider Stomper

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Post Wednesday, 11th September 2013, 00:29

Re: YASD! / Advice Darts of doom

zugundertherug wrote:That's extremely unlucky. According to the wiki a warden can hit for up to 36, before weapon damage is factored in. So it probably rolled the max/near max and since you have hardly any ac, splat.


Yeah, I noticed that too. I had assumed ranged with something weak like a dart would cap out lower than the listed damage. But it seems that's not the case.

zugundertherug wrote:However note that you were only level 16, which is a little low to be doing vaults. Dying to a dart is odd and somewhat embarassing but if you had run into a pack of yaktaurs the result probably would have been the same. Also you only had 16 ev which as an unarmoured char is very low, you needed more dodging. Your skill distribution was also wacky, because you invested heavily in both crossbows and throwing. Choose one or the other and stick with it. The xp invested in throwing could've been used to pump dodging, stealth, fighting, etc.


Yeah, I knew the choices were sub-optimal at the time, and extra dodging may well have saved me, but I just really wanted to go with xbows and throwing bridged the gap until I found one. I do appreciate the tips though. I was actually in Vaults specifically for yaktaurs' bolts (lair and dungeon after 5 or so were darn near bolt-less) - I took down one small pack and was just hanging around to get one more before I went back up and such was my demise...

Snake Sneak

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Post Wednesday, 11th September 2013, 01:49

Re: YASD! / Advice : OpAs Darts of doom

I just really wanted to go with xbows and throwing bridged the gap until I found one.

Nothing wrong with wanting to go xbows, but as for what to train until you get your supply of oka bolts going I'd probably choose pure stealth and a dagger. Stealth will be useful the whole game, and early on you have a few curare needles which always work regardless of throwing skill (if it hits and the target can be affected) and can be used to run away after a failed stab, or help kill a dangerous target in conjuction with poisioned needles. It would be somewhat of a challenge build since you'd eventually have to siphon xp into xbows to get bolt gifts from Oka, during which time the xbow is useless. However you should be able to stab enough to get the build rolling, especially if you find an invis wand or some invis pots. Unarmed is also a good choice early on for ops and could probably tide you over until you get your bow up and running, though the xp invested into unarmed would be wasted later on.

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Wednesday, 11th September 2013, 17:27

Re: YASD! / Advice : OpAs Darts of doom

Crossbows are very rare early game but you can start as Hu to reliably get one.

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