YAVP HaBe. Needles are overpowered


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Ziggurat Zagger

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Joined: Friday, 8th February 2013, 12:00

Post Wednesday, 24th July 2013, 06:15

YAVP HaBe. Needles are overpowered

Amnesiac wrote:Nice, it seems that high level stabbing in not even needed for this kind of character as you can do a lot of stabs with a QB if you are adjacent to a monster after you paralyze it. You don't need to move to it and you can do 10 stabs in 3 truns(or however long they stay paralized). You could try ctrl+f nets for low EV guys (like greater mummies, as Nago said to me in another thread).


I am not sure how paralyze works. I paralyzed Cerebov but he lost the status after I switched to qblade so it looks like minimal duration is below 0.5 turn. I tried source diving but I don't see any duration set.
Killing all 4 pan lords was extremely easy (even easier than with Ice Storm and Wucad Mu) but I had to teleport away from 4 Balrugs (I always forget I can frenzy them), having only 33 hp is not good.

I am not sure I will be able to get golden rune, I am low on curing potions. Hell scares me even more.

So far the hardest level was holy pan floor, I wasted 5 teleportation scrolls/zaps trying to find exit (no magic mapping and no cTele), again I forgot about blowgun though it could be good because it takes 1 turn to use it and many holy beings are faster and have a large shield. Looking for exit into Abyss/Dungeon now.
Last edited by Sandman25 on Thursday, 25th July 2013, 18:06, edited 1 time in total.

Dis Charger

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Post Wednesday, 24th July 2013, 07:31

Re: HaBe. Sword of Jihad?

Did you try to paralyze Cerebov for the second time? Maybe the duration has to do something with the roll you get to beat HD of the monster. Like roll/HD. Forgeting to use your blowgun is not good, it can probably let you kill anything that's not undead in a couple of turns. I even sometimes paralyze 2-3 targets at a time, because this way I need fewer switches.

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Wednesday, 24th July 2013, 07:48

Re: HaBe. Sword of Jihad?

Amnesiac wrote:Did you try to paralyze Cerebov for the second time? Maybe the duration has to do something with the roll you get to beat HD of the monster. Like roll/HD. Forgeting to use your blowgun is not good, it can probably let you kill anything that's not undead in a couple of turns. I even sometimes paralyze 2-3 targets at a time, because this way I need fewer switches.


Yes, I switched back to blowgun and paralyzed him again. This time the status lasted at least 1.1 turn (weapon switch + 2 unhasted attacks of qblade).
I am not sure extra paralyze needles stack (increase duration).

I don't like blowguns speed, it takes 0.5 turn to switch to blowgun, then 1 turn to shoot, then 0.5 turn again to switch back, then 0.3 to finally kill the monster. That's 2.3 turns per kill! With +5 eudemon blade at 0.6 speed it's almost 4 attacks which usually kill most demons.
So it looks like blowguns are good at range only but then I don't fight at range often, I try to retreat behind a corner. Or if I am in the open there are usually several dangerous monsters and again I can't afford to spend 2.3 turns per monster.

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Post Wednesday, 24th July 2013, 08:49

Re: HaBe. Sword of Jihad?

Doesn't it take 0.5 at 10 weapon skill? I still think it's pretty good. You don't come across a good long blade that often. That will kill a powerful demon in 2 turns at that.

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Wednesday, 24th July 2013, 08:57

Re: HaBe. Sword of Jihad?

Amnesiac wrote:Doesn't it take 0.5 at 10 weapon skill? I still think it's pretty good. You don't come across a good long blade that often. That will kill a powerful demon in 2 turns at that.


Oops, it looks like blowgun has 0.7 min delay according to wiki. I didn't pay attention in the game

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Thursday, 25th July 2013, 05:53

Re: HaBe. Sword of Jihad?

I didn't use blowgun properly, it is extremely useful for disabling Neqoxecs at range or killing them after retreating behind a corner.
Geryon is surrounded by about 20 monsters (first time when I see it) so I had to retreat despite being invisible. At least hell hounds went upstairs with me so it should be easier next time.
I still don't have clarity amulet (maybe I should have visited a zig in pan but I was really scared of holy floors - not sure when they can appear in zig) so I decided to use stasis with jihad in Tomb since I need protection vs Sphynx any way. If Tomb 2 party is too tough, I will use random teleports on Tomb 1. Training Shields for shield with +Blink currently. rPois is not very useful in Tomb/Hell/ZoT5 as far as I remember.

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Post Thursday, 25th July 2013, 18:05

Re: HaBe. Sword of Jihad?

Tomb was extremely hard, first I almost died to 4 smiting Sphinxes and a Mummy Priest (I think it was caused by my tactical mistake: I should have thrown a dart at one to lure it instead of relying on my stealth and trying to stab them), I teleported and was lucky to get into the corridor. I healed and then almost died second time to 2 Greater Mummies who tormented me while surrounding with summons so I teleported again and healed in Crypt. I tried using net but it wasn't very effective at range when there were several mummies around (killed one Mummy Priest this way but it frayed the net). I tried again but had the same problems with Greater Mummies, they are too tough without some holy crossbow or longbow and healing on kills.
So I went into Hell. Tartarus was much easier (killing single fiends was very easy) but sometimes I had several in range or they were hiding behind other monsters and Trog's hand was not enough to regenerate (I healed in some small rooms when possible). Ereshkigal was easy but when going for the exit I had to teleport twice while being with 20+ hp (this game didn't give me ring of cTele again).

  Code:
127512 | Tar:7    | Got a bone rune of Zot
127522 | Tar:7    | Identified the ring "Nyjyif" {Ice rElec rPois Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of Tartarus)
127593 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 87 dmg
127599 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg
127604 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg
127630 | Tar:7    | Paralysed by the effects of Hell for 6 turns


I really want to try Zin for hells, I am tired of hell effects.

Dis was even harder (Ice Fiend, 2 Tormentors and some dragons on -cTele level) made me teleport twice and finally I decided that with 10+hp I really should abandon my attempts to get more runes.

  Code:
131299 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 93 dmg
131436 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 61 dmg
131464 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg
131493 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 65 dmg
131494 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 35 dmg
131495 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg
131550 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 42 dmg
131562 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg
131564 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg


So I went for the Orb. Frenzying draconians and Goldent Dragon to kill each other was fun. Fighting OoF with rMut and rF+++ was easy and fun until I forgot that Jihad can make me berserk. Fortunately Trog + Jihad allowed me to kill everything in LoS. Cursed Toe was hard - torment + blocked by wandering mushrooms in a corridor looked scaring.
Overall it was a fun game and I feel needles are overpowered vs demons, I got lucky mutations from 2 potions of beneficial mutations (5 potions of beneficial mutations were blocked by intrinsic rMut) and the only bad mutation I got from monsters was irrelevant.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13-a0-2398-gfa67c8a (tiles) character file.

6931932 HaBe the Halfling Ballista (level 27, 213/213 HPs)
             Began as a Halfling Berserker on July 17, 2013.
             Was a High Priest of Trog.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 11 runes on July 25, 2013!
             
             The game lasted 18:13:57 (134617 turns).

HaBe the Halfling Ballista (Halfling Berserker)   Turns: 134617, Time: 18:13:57

HP 213/213       AC 41     Str 20      XL: 27
MP  31/31        EV 40     Int 11      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 8589        SH 42     Dex 32      Spells:  0 memorised, 26 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .   r - +4,+6 eudemon blade (holy)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   T - +8 fire dragon armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +   s - +2 shield "Plasch" {+Blink +Fly rElec MR+}
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : +   l - +0 helmet "Saoxun" {Str+5 Int+3}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : +   h - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   K - +2 pair of elf gloves {Dex+3}
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   g - +2 pair of boots {Stlth+}
Res.Rott. : .       Flight     : .   v - amulet of clarity
Saprovore : . . .                    n - ring "Nyjyif" {Ice rElec rPois Stlth+}
                                     q - ring of Cruloed {rC+ Str+1 Int+1 Stlth++}

@: very slightly contaminated, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, very
stealthy
A: -10% mp, mutation resistance 1, slow metabolism 1, AC +4, SH +2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Blink, Evoke Flight
}: 11/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, bone, abyssal, demonic,
glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You escaped.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was extremely pleased with you.
You were not hungry.

You visited 15 branches of the dungeon, and saw 90 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 1 time, and saw 40 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 3 times.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Ossuary.

You collected 12449 gold pieces.
You spent 3880 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 p - a +7,+9 elven anti-magic quick blade
 r - a +4,+6 eudemon blade of holy wrath (weapon)
 w - a +7 blowgun
 A - the +12,+10 sword of Jihad {holy, *Rage rN+ MR EV+3 Stlth-}
   (You took it off a vault guard on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   It has been blessed by the Shining One to cause great damage to the undead
   and demons.
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you angry.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
 X - the cursed +8,+8 autumn katana {slice, Clar}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It protects you against confusion.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Missiles
 a - 70 curare-tipped needles
 b - 52 needles of confusion
 m - 24 needles of sleeping
 o - 17 needles of frenzy
 E - 4 needles of paralysis
Armour
 g - a +2 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
 h - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
 l - the +0 helmet "Saoxun" (worn) {Str+5 Int+3}
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
 s - the +2 shield "Plasch" (worn) {+Blink +Fly rElec MR+}
   (You took it off a balrug in Pandemonium)   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you fly.
   It lets you blink.
 K - a +2 pair of elven gloves of dexterity (worn)
 T - a +8 fire dragon armour (worn)
Magical devices
 i - a wand of teleportation (5)
 I - a wand of digging (2)
 J - a wand of hasting (0)
 W - a wand of hasting (7)
 Y - a wand of hasting (6)
Comestibles
 O - 10 bread rations
 V - 2 meat rations
Scrolls
 f - a scroll of identify
 z - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 D - 4 scrolls of fog
 P - a scroll of remove curse
 S - 4 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 n - the ring "Nyjyif" (right hand) {Ice rElec rPois Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 7 of Tartarus)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 q - the ring of Cruloed (left hand) {rC+ Str+1 Int+1 Stlth++}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   It affects your strength (+1).
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 v - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
 x - the amulet "Faij" {Gourm rN+}
   (You found it on level 26 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of the gourmand]
   It protects you from negative energy.
 y - the ring "Enurasigg" {Str+4 Dex+6 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   It affects your dexterity (+6).
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 G - a +0,+9 ring of slaying
 M - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 N - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 U - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 Z - an uncursed amulet of stasis
Potions
 k - a potion of cure mutation {!q}
 u - 7 potions of agility
 B - 11 potions of curing
 Q - 6 potions of might
 R - 8 potions of restore abilities
Orbs of Power
 F - the Orb of Zot
Miscellaneous
 c - a lamp of fire
 t - a phial of floods
 H - a fan of gales
Rods
 d - a +0 rod of inaccuracy (13/13) {!a}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Shoals)


   Skills:
 - Level 22,8 Fighting
 - Level 15,1 Short Blades
 - Level 15,4 Long Blades
 O Level 27 Throwing
 + Level 20,6 Armour
 - Level 25,5 Dodging
 O Level 27 Stealth
 - Level 21,0 Shields
 - Level 11,7 Traps
 - Level 10,0 Evocations


You had 26 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (3/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:12         Shoals (5/5) Lair:3
  Snake (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (6/6) Lair:7       Vaults (5/5) D:15
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:3      Crypt (5/5) Vaults:2       Tomb (1/3) Crypt:2
    Dis (7/7) Hell            Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (5/5) D:27
   Geh: Hell:1         Coc: Hell:1     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Trog
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:10: }  D:11: +  D:17: !  D:24: }  Orc:1: ?  Orc:4: (**=  Elf:2: /}  Shoals:3: +  Shoals:4: +  Snake:1: =
Snake:2: ?  Snake:3: (  Snake:4: ?

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:25 D:27
Pandemonium: D:22 D:24 D:25 D:27

Annotations
D:2 Sigmund
D:3 exclusion: downstairs
D:18 Roxanne
Lair:7 exclusion: oklob plant
Shoals:2 exclusion: oklob plant
Shoals:3 exclusion: oklob plant
Shoals:4 exclusion: downstairs
Shoals:5 Sojobo
Slime:5 exclusion: 2 upstairs
Crypt:5 exclusion: door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are somewhat resistant to further mutation.
You have a slow metabolism.
You are partially covered in large bone plates (AC +2, SH +2).
You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2).
Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP).

Vanquished Creatures
  Cerebov (Pan)
  the royal jelly (Slime:6)
  Ereshkigal (Tar:7)
  Gloorx Vloq (Pan)
  Mnoleg (Pan)
  5 pandemonium lords (Pan)
  3 orbs of fire (Zot:5)
  Tiamat (Zot:4)
  Lom Lobon (Pan)
  6 ancient liches
  the Serpent of Hell (Tar:7)
  5 greater mummies (Tomb:1)
  Saint Roka (D:19)
  Boris (twice) (Shoals:5 Crypt:1)
  Lamia (Snake:2)
  Mara (D:24)
  Mennas (D:23)
  Geryon (Hell)
  3 curse toes
  2 electric golems
  9 golden dragons
  Xtahua (D:23)
  14 bone dragons
  Frederick (D:26)
  4 Brimstone Fiends
  12 Hell Sentinels
  15 tentacled monstrosities
  4 Ice Fiends
  A deep elf blademaster (D:27)
  A deep elf master archer (Elf:3)
  4 quicksilver dragons
  16 Shadow Fiends
  12 sphinxes
  24 Orb Guardians
  25 acid blobs
  10 storm dragons
  2 eldritch tentacles
  A kraken (Shoals:2)
  4 ancient champions
  Agnes (D:17)
  Frances (Snake:3)
  10 liches
  11 shadow dragons
  8 tengu reavers
  Kirke (Vaults:2)
  14 Executioners
  2 daevas (Pan)
  A revenant (Crypt:1)
  5 draconian monks
  5 deep elf sorcerers
  Donald (Snake:2)
  Wiglaf (D:23)
  Maud (D:15)
100311 | Zot:4    | Killed Tiamat
101293 | Slime:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Pits of Slime
101315 | Slime:1  | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
101493 | Slime:6  | Entered Level 6 of the Pits of Slime
101697 | Slime:6  | Noticed the royal jelly
101705 | Slime:6  | Reached skill level 26 in Throwing
101786 | Slime:6  | Received a gift from Trog
101799 | Slime:6  | Got a fine crossbow {god gift}
101800 | Slime:6  | Identified the -2,+2 crossbow of Thraga {venom, Str+1 Dex+2} (Trog gifted it to you on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
101869 | Slime:6  | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
102217 | Slime:6  | Huge Dmg: 39 dmg
102224 | Slime:6  | Huge Dmg: 35 dmg
102228 | Slime:6  | Killed the royal jelly
102366 | Slime:6  | Got a pitted silver ring
102420 | Slime:6  | Identified the ring "Ghigeisy" {-Cast +Blink +Fly MR Int+3} (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
102525 | Slime:6  | Got a slimy rune of Zot
102574 | Slime:6  | Got an encrusted sabre
102575 | Slime:6  | Identified the cursed +3,+1 sabre of Jihechul {freeze, rN+ Int+4 SInv} (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
102596 | Slime:6  | Got an encrusted short sword
102652 | Slime:5  | Reached skill level 27 in Throwing
103102 | D:27     | Identified the +6,+3 short sword "Thanoufy" {flame, rC+ rN+ Dex+2} (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
103120 | Hell     | Entered the Vestibule of Hell
103120 | Hell     | Noticed Geryon
103329 | Pan      | Entered Pandemonium
103346 | Pan      | Found an exit through the horrors of the Abyss.
103389 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 88 dmg
103732 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 98 dmg
103739 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 50 dmg
103752 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg
104242 | Pan      | Found an exit through the horrors of the Abyss.
104828 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg
105284 | Pan      | Noticed Shriroi the pandemonium lord
105304 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
105311 | Pan      | Killed Shriroi the pandemonium lord
105488 | Pan      | Noticed Ecvokab the pandemonium lord
105503 | Pan      | Killed Ecvokab the pandemonium lord
105875 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
105970 | Pan      | Entered the realm of Gloorx Vloq.
106017 | Pan      | Noticed Gloorx Vloq
106024 | Pan      | Killed Gloorx Vloq
106049 | Pan      | Got a dark rune of Zot
106099 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
106185 | Pan      | Got a polished cloak
106186 | Pan      | Identified the +0 cloak of the Morning {+Rage +Inv Acc+4 Stlth++} (You acquired it in Pandemonium)
106345 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
106745 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
107001 | Pan      | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [a cacodemon]
107019 | Pan      | Noticed Juycaom the pandemonium lord
107296 | Pan      | Entered the realm of Mnoleg.
107857 | Pan      | Noticed Mnoleg
107901 | Pan      | Killed Mnoleg
107912 | Pan      | Got a glowing rune of Zot
108074 | Pan      | Entered the realm of Lom Lobon.
108106 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
108628 | Pan      | Noticed Lom Lobon
108650 | Pan      | Killed Lom Lobon
108705 | Pan      | Got a magical rune of Zot
108814 | Pan      | Noticed Vuterotz the pandemonium lord
108817 | Pan      | Killed Vuterotz the pandemonium lord
108817 | Pan      | Reached skill level 27 in Stealth
108851 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
108935 | Pan      | Got a demonic rune of Zot
109254 | Pan      | Entered the realm of Cerebov.
109335 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
109337 | Pan      | Got a shimmering demon blade {god gift}
109338 | Pan      | Identified the -3,-1 demon blade "Areaku" {flame, rElec rPois rF- rC+ SInv Stlth+} (Trog gifted it to you in Pandemonium)
109945 | Pan      | Got a dazzling shield
109946 | Pan      | Identified the +2 shield "Plasch" {+Blink +Fly rElec MR+} (You took it off a balrug in Pandemonium)
109956 | Pan      | Noticed Cerebov
109970 | Pan      | Killed Cerebov
109984 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 105 dmg
110948 | Pan      | Got a fiery rune of Zot
111121 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
111143 | Pan      | Noticed Phoupa the pandemonium lord
111145 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 95 dmg
111146 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 48 dmg
111147 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg
111736 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 102 dmg
111971 | Pan      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
111991 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 48 dmg
112138 | Pan      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
112428 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
112669 | Pan      | Noticed Skue the pandemonium lord
112793 | Pan      | Killed Skue the pandemonium lord
112802 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg
113158 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
113720 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 32 dmg
113722 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg
114144 | Pan      | Noticed Wuffyze the pandemonium lord
114154 | Pan      | Paralysed by Wuffyze for 5 turns
114170 | Pan      | Killed Wuffyze the pandemonium lord
114230 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
114230 | Pan      | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
114503 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 102 dmg
114504 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 51 dmg
115011 | Pan      | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
115782 | Pan      | Noticed Diramp the pandemonium lord
115814 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 58 dmg
117060 | Pan      | Received a gift from Trog
117348 | Pan      | Huge Dmg: 102 dmg
117790 | Pan      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2). [potion of beneficial mutation]
118319 | Pan      | Found an exit through the horrors of the Abyss.
118326 | Pan      | Took an exit into the Abyss.
118326 | Abyss:1  | Escaped into the Abyss
118363 | D:27     | Escaped the Abyss
119017 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of recharging for 77 gold pieces
119017 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 49 gold pieces
119017 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 49 gold pieces
119017 | Orc:1    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 42 gold pieces
119419 | D:25     | Voluntarily entered the Abyss.
119570 | Abyss:2  | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
119584 | Abyss:2  | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
119718 | Abyss:3  | Received a gift from Trog
120010 | Abyss:3  | Huge Dmg: 102 dmg
120062 | Abyss:3  | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
120395 | Abyss:3  | Got an abyssal rune of Zot
120787 | Abyss:3  | Reached skill level 15 in Shields
120899 | D:25     | Escaped the Abyss
121064 | D:26     | Received a gift from Trog
121632 | Tomb:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Tomb of the Ancients
121825 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg
121848 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
122150 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
122151 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 81 dmg
122162 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 44 dmg
122164 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
122164 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
122635 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 91 dmg
123034 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
123060 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 82 dmg
123061 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
123062 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 44 dmg
123420 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
123438 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 79 dmg
123439 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
123665 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
123748 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
123761 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 78 dmg
123767 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
123768 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 35 dmg
124100 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
124142 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 91 dmg
124150 | Tomb:1   | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg
125349 | Hell     | Killed Geryon
125672 | Hell     | Found a gateway to the decaying netherworld of Tartarus.
125679 | Tar:1    | Entered Level 1 of Tartarus
125930 | Tar:3    | Huge Dmg: 91 dmg
126349 | Tar:7    | Entered Level 7 of Tartarus
126398 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 91 dmg
126493 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 81 dmg
127067 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 97 dmg
127072 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg
127241 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 85 dmg
127243 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 40 dmg
127467 | Tar:7    | Noticed the Serpent of Hell
127473 | Tar:7    | Killed the Serpent of Hell
127477 | Tar:7    | Noticed Ereshkigal
127488 | Tar:7    | Killed Ereshkigal
127505 | Tar:7    | Got a shimmering turquoise ring
127512 | Tar:7    | Got a bone rune of Zot
127522 | Tar:7    | Identified the ring "Nyjyif" {Ice rElec rPois Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of Tartarus)
127593 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 87 dmg
127599 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg
127604 | Tar:7    | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg
127630 | Tar:7    | Paralysed by the effects of Hell for 6 turns
128162 | D:26     | Received a gift from Trog
129194 | D:17     | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 54 gold pieces
129407 | Hell     | Found a gateway to the Iron City of Dis.
129413 | Dis:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Iron City of Dis
129618 | Dis:3    | Huge Dmg: 47 dmg
129624 | Dis:3    | Huge Dmg: 40 dmg
129625 | Dis:3    | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg
129627 | Dis:3    | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg
129821 | Dis:5    | Received a gift from Trog
130000 | Dis:5    | Received a gift from Trog
130015 | Dis:5    | Huge Dmg: 101 dmg
130603 | Dis:7    | Entered Level 7 of the Iron City of Dis
130625 | Dis:7    | Received a gift from Trog
131299 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 93 dmg
131436 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 61 dmg
131464 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 54 dmg
131493 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 65 dmg
131494 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 35 dmg
131495 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg
131550 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 42 dmg
131562 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg
131564 | Dis:7    | Huge Dmg: 25 dmg
132344 | Zot:5    | Entered Level 5 of the Realm of Zot
132362 | Zot:5    | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
132647 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
132650 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
132659 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
132668 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
132688 | Zot:5    | Received a gift from Trog
132726 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
132751 | Zot:5    | Huge Dmg: 94 dmg
133022 | Zot:5    | Huge Dmg: 92 dmg
133023 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
133275 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
133289 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
133325 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
133351 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
133411 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
133457 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
133471 | Zot:5    | Huge Dmg: 58 dmg
133821 | Zot:5    | Got the Orb of Zot
133893 | Zot:4    | Huge Dmg: 100 dmg
134100 | D:26     | Received a gift from Trog
134617 | D:$      | Escaped with the Orb!
             


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    72 |   203 |   420 |   432 |   589 |       |       |       |       ||  1716
       Sabre             |       |       |       |   363 |       |       |       |   162 |    42 ||   567
       Dagger            |       |       |       |    65 |     2 |       |       |       |       ||    67
       Quick blade       |       |       |       |       |  1331 |  2339 |  2664 |  2713 |  3534 || 12581
       Eudemon blade     |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |  4196 ||  4196
       Katana            |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |  1059 ||  1059
 Fire: Sling             |       |       |     2 |     3 |       |       |       |       |       ||     5
       Blowgun           |       |       |       |       |    10 |     7 |     2 |    12 |   155 ||   186
Throw: Dart              |    11 |     9 |    37 |    22 |    10 |       |       |       |       ||    89
       Stone             |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Dagger            |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       |       ||     2
Invok: Berserk           |       |     4 |     5 |     5 |     1 |     2 |       |       |       ||    17
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |       |     1 |     2 |     3 |     2 |     2 |     3 |    24 ||    37
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |     4 |    10 |    12 |    12 |     9 |    12 |    18 ||    77
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |       |       |     6 |    10 |     9 |     8 |    45 ||    78
 Abil: Evoke Flight      |       |       |       |       |       |    17 |     6 |       |     4 ||    27
       Stop Flying       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |     1 ||     2
       Evoke Blink       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
       Evoke Invisibilit |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Turn Visible      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |     2 |     3 |    17 |     9 |     5 |     7 |    11 |    38 ||    92
       Rod               |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     4 |    38 ||    44
       Miscellaneous     |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
  Use: Scroll            |       |    14 |     8 |    14 |    25 |    30 |    13 |    18 |    88 ||   210
       Potion            |       |     1 |     3 |     5 |     8 |    15 |    15 |     8 |    71 ||   126
 Stab: Sleeping          |     2 |       |    19 |    76 |   146 |   133 |   129 |    80 |   383 ||   968
       Distracted        |       |       |     2 |     9 |    17 |    18 |    15 |    16 |   154 ||   231
       Invisible         |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |     8 ||     9
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |     1 |     7 ||     9
       Fleeing           |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 |     4 |     5 ||    12
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    28 ||    28
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1

Vault maps used:
D:1:      elethiomel_entry_Infinity_Welcomes_Careful_Drivers, serial_forest,
          infiniplex_forest_split, infiniplex_forest_corner_1,
          infiniplex_forest_lined_room_3, infiniplex_forest_corner_1,
          infiniplex_forest_corner_1, infiniplex_forest_clump_large,
          infiniplex_forest_clump_double, minmay_hedge_maze, st_stairs_13
D:2:      first_bread, uniq_sigmund, uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage
D:4:      evilmike_ruin_ashenzari, temple_fountains, enter_ossuary_5, uniq_pikel
D:5:      hangedman_cross_stitches, minivault_19
D:7:      serial_teleporters_loop2A_master, serial_teleporters_loop2A_1,
          serial_teleporters_loop2A_2, uniq_joseph
D:9:      grunt_temple_overflow_growth_and_decay
D:10:     serial_shops, shop_statue, lemuel_mausoleum_altar_kikubaaqudgha,
          uniq_nergalle, uniq_erolcha
D:11:     serial_shops, shop
D:12:     david_lair_generic, grunt_livestock, uniq_gastronok
D:13:     uniq_urug, uniq_erica, uniq_sonja
D:14:     hangedman_decor_points
D:15:     vaults_0_dummy, hangedman_abyss_or_decor_stagger, uniq_maud
D:16:     minivault_16
D:17:     serial_shops, shop, elyvilon_altar_2, hangedman_jelly_panic,
          uniq_louise, uniq_aizul, uniq_rupert, uniq_agnes
D:18:     glass_columns_a, minmay_misc_feat_nine_boxes, uniq_roxanne
D:19:     uniq_saint_roka
D:20:     tso_metal_star
D:21:     hell_entry, infiniplex_staircase_zigzag_3, minivault_14, minmay_holes,
          nemelex_deck
D:22:     pan_entry, minmay_misc_feat_more_columns, hell_entry, hex_large,
          minmay_joined_circles
D:23:     grunt_house_of_mirrors, hell_entry, hex_tiny, uniq_jory, uniq_xtahua,
          uniq_mennas, uniq_wiglaf
D:24:     hangedman_decor_cross_pass, serial_shops, shop, pan_entry,
          serial_sigils_hangedman_quiver, hell_entry, minmay_fountain_box,
          uniq_mara
D:25:     evilmike_negative_zone, pan_entry, hell_entry, abyss_entry,
          hallowed_hall
D:26:     little_maze_vault, hell_entry, hangedman_decor_peaks_small,
          wad_floor_pattern_2, uniq_frederick
D:27:     hangedman_pleasuredromes, hell_entry, abyss_entry,
          serial_corexii_hall, pan_entry
Temple:   circular_temple_12
Orc:1:    serial_shops, shop_scrolls, statue_in_the_mist_lemuel
Orc:2:    minmay_goldmine, uniq_psyche
Orc:4:    st_orc_town
Elf:1:    eino_elf_arrival_customs
Elf:2:    basic_altar, serial_shops, shop, shop
Elf:3:    minmay_elf_hall_golems, minmay_misc_feat_ornament, nicolae_elf_m_pinch
Lair:3:   minmay_shoals_entry_beasts
Lair:6:   guppyfry_snake_entry_island, lab_entry_generic, minmay_lair_drake_nest
Lair:7:   slime_dummy, minmay_lair_oklob_chamber
Lair:8:   evil_forest
Shoals:2: shoals_atoll
Shoals:3: serial_shops, shop_statue
Shoals:4: serial_shops, shop
Shoals:5: shoals_end_hangedman, shoal_ilsuiw, uniq_boris, uniq_sojobo
Snake:1:  serial_shops, shop, uniq_josephine
Snake:2:  serial_shops, shop, uniq_donald, uniq_lamia, uniq_snorg
Snake:3:  serial_shops, shop_fountains, uniq_frances
Snake:4:  serial_shops, shop_fountains, serial_bayou_lake_a
Snake:5:  snake_pit, uniq_margery
Slime:3:  uniq_dissolution
Vaults:1: nicolae_vaults_little_squares_3, st_cross, v_rooms_3,
          grunt_vaults_focal, vaults_standard_mumra_x, v_misc_16,
          nicolae_vaults_little_squares_2, dpeg_vaults_monster_row,
          nicolae_vaults_little_squares_2, vaults_dpeg_encased_lava,
          ontoclasm_vaults_pinch, hangedman_vaults_maws, uniq_nessos
Vaults:2: v_misc_12, v_misc_1, minmay_crypt_entry_simple_box, v_misc_3,
          st_lattice, vaults_room_pool, grunt_vaults_diagonal,
          ontoclasm_vaults_spin, uniq_kirke
Vaults:3: ontoclasm_vaults_eye, v_rooms_4, v_misc_17, v_rooms_6,
          hangedman_vaults_locks, v_misc_33, v_pattern_4,
          vaults_mumra_blade_bloodbath, nicolae_vaults_little_squares_3
Vaults:4: nicolae_vaults_little_squares_6, hangedman_vaults_cutoff,
          nicolae_vaults_shelves_hall, v_alt_pattern_2, v_alt_pattern_6,
          nicolae_vaults_what_the_h, ontoclasm_vaults_decontamination,
          st_spiral_rooms, hangedman_vaults_snaps, ontoclasm_vaults_twist,
          v_rooms_4, uniq_jorgrun
Crypt:1:  crypt_curse_skull, uniq_khufu, uniq_boris
Crypt:2:  tomb_entry_simple_bobbens, small_chamber_with_monster
Crypt:3:  crypt_curse_skull
Crypt:5:  quadcrypt_mu
Dis:5:    grunt_dis_stairs_iron_hall
Dis:6:    door_vault
Dis:7:    dis_st
Tar:5:    nicolae_tar_cuneiform_bird
Tar:7:    tar_minmay_river
Zot:2:    zot_minivault_1
Zot:3:    grunt_zot_stairs_roulette
Zot:4:    uniq_tiamat
Zot:5:    basic_altar, lemuel_baited_zot_trap
Pan:      rand_demon_3, rand_demon_6, pan_blood_fountain_small,
          evilmike_mini_pan_pillars_b, evilmike_mini_pan_pillars,
          evilmike_mini_pan_diamond, pan_blood_fountain,
          evilmike_mini_pan_corridor, enter_ziggurat_pan_d,
          nicolae_pan_diamonds, pan_blood_fountain_2, evilmike_mini_pan_rooms,
          gloorx_vloq, enter_ziggurat_pan_a, evilmike_mini_pan_other_thingy,
          rand_demon_2, pan_blood_fountain_small, nicolae_pan_glass_arcs,
          pan_blood_fountain_small, rand_demon_8, rand_demon_4,
          lemuel_hellion_island, rand_demon_4, rand_demon_2, mnoleg,
          evilmike_mini_pan_possible_glass, lom_lobon, pan_blood_fountain_small,
          pan_blood_fountain, rand_demon_7, evilmike_mini_pan_V,
          pan_blood_fountain_small, evilmike_mini_pan_branches,
          pan_blood_fountain, pan_blood_fountain_2, rand_demon_9, cerebov_grunt,
          evilmike_mini_pan_corner, pan_blood_fountain_small, evilmike_holy_pan,
          rand_demon_1, nicolae_pan_double_arrow, pan_blood_fountain_small,
          evilmike_mini_pan_pillars_b, pan_blood_fountain_small,
          pan_captured_pigsty, enter_ziggurat_pan_b, rand_demon_5,
          evilmike_mini_pan_thingy, rand_demon_5, rand_demon_9,
          evilmike_mini_pan_pillars, enter_ziggurat_pan_c, pan_surprise,
          nicolae_pan_glass_arcs, rand_demon_4, pan_disco_hall
Lab:      labyrinth_hidden_loot, lab_block
Ossuary:  ossuary_minmay_four_chambers

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Post Thursday, 25th July 2013, 18:15

Re: YAVP HaBe. Needles are overpowered

Needles are strong, no doubt. But what else whould you do with something like hell sentinels(not to mention the lords) if you are not strong in melee, like an assassing with a toothpick as a weapon? Btw, did you try needles a lot against strong demons, because I'm interested in winning a game with a glowgunner/stabber? I guess by the looks of how it went with lords it should be OK.

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Post Thursday, 25th July 2013, 19:11

Re: YAVP HaBe. Needles are overpowered

Amnesiac wrote:Needles are strong, no doubt. But what else whould you do with something like hell sentinels(not to mention the lords) if you are not strong in melee, like an assassing with a toothpick as a weapon? Btw, did you try needles a lot against strong demons, because I'm interested in winning a game with a glowgunner/stabber? I guess by the looks of how it went with lords it should be OK.


Usually 1-2 needles were enough.

With 27 throwing and +7 blowgun the roll was 1 + d38, that's about 50% for monster with HD 18-19 (Hell Sentinel, all Fiends). Not bad for 0.7 turn attack.
I think I should have used blowgun as default weapon if I had more paralyzing needles (I was somewhat low on them at the end so I used sleeping which don't work well when there are several monsters in LoS - they wake each other).
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Brand#Needle_brands

Curare needles are very weak for this type of character - who needs to slow monster when you can just paralyze or "enslave" it.
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