YASD - Multiple Casters Need Generic Advice

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 16:34 by scott9027

Per a suggestion in the other forum I'm posting the morgue files of the casters I have attempted recently. Just looking for general tips on how to get going. I like to think I have the potential to be good at this game but it's rough going at the moment. Without further ado:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 115 Yggdrasil the Ruinous (level 3, -1/24 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Slain by a jackal (2 damage) ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:10:32 (1119 turns). Yggdrasil the Ruinous (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 1119, Time: 00:10:32 HP -1/24 AC 5 Str 9 XL: 3 Next: 12% MP 1/9 EV 12 Int 19 God: Gold 82 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 1 memorised, 7 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . g - +0,+1 orc club Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +0 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: + . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) a - ring of sustain abilities {unknown} @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +5 a: no special abilities You were on level 1 of the Dungeon. You were not hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 1 of its levels. You collected 62 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons f - a +0,+0 dagger (quivered) g - a +0,+1 orcish club (weapon) Armour b - a +0 wizard hat (worn) Comestibles d - a bread ration Scrolls e - a scroll of curse weapon {unknown} i - a scroll of remove curse {unknown} Jewellery a - a ring of sustain abilities (left hand) {unknown} Potions h - a potion of cure mutation {unknown} j - a potion of curing {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: - Level 1.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting + Level 3.1 Conjurations Level 1.0 Summonings Level 1.0 Translocations You had 7 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ###.. 6% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (1/27) Altars: Message History You have reached level 3! Your experience leads to an increase in your attributes! Increase (S)trength, (I)ntelligence, or (D)exterity? You feel clever. Your scales feel tougher. The jackal barely misses you. The jackal misses you. You see here an adder corpse. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You feel sick. You feel better. The jackal closely misses you. Casting: Magic Dart Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Magic Dart Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - jackal Aim: a jackal (lightly wounded) The magic dart hits the jackal. The jackal is almost dead. The jackal bites you but does no damage. The jackal bites you. You die... ####### #............# #.....# #.#.####.###### ##.###.##.###.###.# .....(...## ##.##.# ##.#.#>##.###.###.### #.....###%#..###...# #<..............###.# ..#...##.##.#.#<###.# ####.###. #.#....##.#### # #.# # #............# ## #.# ###....##.##.# ˜# .# #.#.###.##.# ˜###.# ...#.# #.##@# §....# #.####.# #.##h## ###### # #.###)##%r# ....# #.#.....#.# ###.# #.#)....#.# # #..........# ...#.....#.# #. #.....#%# ###.###%# #. #.# . #. #.# .. #. #.# . #.# You could see a jackal and a rat. Vanquished Creatures An adder (D:1) A giant gecko (D:1) An ooze (D:1) A giant cockroach (D:1) 2 goblins (D:1) 3 hobgoblins (D:1) 7 jackals (D:1) A bat (D:1) A kobold (D:1) 3 rats (D:1) 21 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 741 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 4/7 1115 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 1/24 MP: 3/9 1117 | D:1 | HP: 1/24 [poisoned by an adder] 1119 | D:1 | Slain by a jackal Action || total -------------------------++------- Melee: Unarmed || 22 Dagger || 46 Club || 12 Cast: Magic Dart || 44

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 138 Yggdrasil the Ruinous (level 3, -3/24 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Slain by Terence ... wielding a +0,+0 mace (8 damage) ... on Level 3 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:18:18 (1960 turns). Yggdrasil the Ruinous (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 1960, Time: 00:18:18 HP -3/24 AC 5 Str 9 XL: 3 Next: 21% MP 6/9 EV 12 Int 19 God: Gold 101 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 1 memorised, 7 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . o - +2,+1 whip (elec) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +0 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) n - ring of life protection {unknown} @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +5 a: no special abilities You were on level 3 of the Dungeon. You were very hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 3 of its levels. You collected 81 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons o - a +2,+1 whip of electrocution (weapon) Armour b - a +0 wizard hat (worn) Comestibles d - 3 bread rations f - a meat ration i - a pear Scrolls e - a scroll of remove curse {unknown} g - a scroll of random uselessness {unknown} h - 3 scrolls of identify {unknown} k - a scroll of fog {unknown} Jewellery n - a ring of life protection (left hand) {unknown} Potions a - a potion of heal wounds {unknown} j - a potion of degeneration {unknown} l - 2 potions of curing {unknown} m - a potion of might {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: - Level 1.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting + Level 3.2 Conjurations Level 1.0 Summonings Level 1.0 Translocations You had 7 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ####. 6% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (3/27) Altars: Annotations D:3 Terence Message History You hit Terence. Terence is severely wounded. Terence barely misses you. You barely miss Terence. Terence is severely wounded. Terence barely misses you. You hit Terence but do no damage. Terence is severely wounded. Terence hits you with a mace. You closely miss Terence. Terence is severely wounded. Terence hits you with a mace. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You closely miss Terence. Terence is severely wounded. Terence barely misses you. You hit Terence. Terence is almost dead. Terence hits you with a mace! You die... ##### #...# #@..# #@..# ## #....... #......# #.[..#.### #.>...... ##.....##### #..#<.....#.# #....#..o...# #...@......... #.#..<###### #.#........# # #.######.# You could see Terence. Vanquished Creatures A giant gecko (D:3) A giant cockroach (D:2) 7 goblins 6 hobgoblins (D:2) A quokka (D:2) A ball python (D:2) 7 bats 2 giant newts (D:2) 5 kobolds 4 rats 35 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 466 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 4/7 1492 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 7/9 1744 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 1960 | D:3 | Slain by Terence Action || total -------------------------++------- Melee: Unarmed || 16 Mace || 15 Short sword || 7 Whip || 25 Cast: Magic Dart || 65

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 245 Yggdrasil the Cudgeler (level 4, 0/30 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Succumbed to a worker ant's poison ... on Level 3 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:15:34 (2507 turns). Yggdrasil the Cudgeler (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 2507, Time: 00:15:34 HP 0/30 AC 7 Str 10 XL: 4 Next: 14% MP 11/11 EV 12 Int 19 God: Gold 168 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 1 memorised, 8 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . j - +0 whip Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +0 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . l - +0 pair of gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . s - +0 pair of boots Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: mildly poisoned, slightly resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +5 a: no special abilities You were on level 3 of the Dungeon. You were hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 3 of its levels. You collected 148 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons j - a +0,+0 whip (weapon) Missiles a - a throwing net (quivered) Armour b - a +0 wizard hat (worn) l - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) s - a +0 pair of boots (worn) Comestibles d - 3 bread rations h - a choko i - 2 meat rations q - a chunk of hobgoblin flesh Scrolls e - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon I {unknown} f - 2 scrolls of identify {unknown} k - a scroll of enchant armour {unknown} m - a scroll of noise {unknown} o - 2 scrolls of remove curse {unknown} Potions g - a potion of curing {unknown} n - a potion of heal wounds {unknown} r - a potion of might {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: + Level 3.3 Maces & Flails - Level 1.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting - Level 2.0 Conjurations Level 1.0 Summonings Level 1.0 Translocations You had 8 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ###.. 10% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (3/27) Altars: Trog Message History You hit the worker ant. The worker ant is severely wounded. The worker ant bites you but does no damage. You hit the worker ant but do no damage. The worker ant is severely wounded. The worker ant misses you. You barely miss the worker ant. You tail-slap the worker ant, but do no damage. The worker ant is severely wounded. The worker ant misses you. You hit the worker ant but do no damage. The worker ant is severely wounded. The worker ant misses you. You hit the worker ant. The worker ant is severely wounded. The worker ant closely misses you. You hit the worker ant but do no damage. You tail-slap the worker ant. The worker ant is almost dead. You die... . #..# #.. #..# ... #..# ..##..## .. .... #. #..# #. #..# .#..#.#a##..#### ........@......# ...####?#..##### ####.#..#### ............# ........##.# ##.#.##.##.# ..... ..##.# ....##.##.# ......##%# #####.##.# ..........# #####.#..# # #..# You could see a worker ant. Vanquished Creatures 2 adders (D:2) A worm (D:2) A giant gecko (D:1) An ooze (D:2) 7 bats 3 giant cockroaches 11 goblins 7 hobgoblins 4 jackals (D:1) A ball python (D:2) A giant newt (D:1) 3 kobolds 5 rats 47 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 251 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 7/7 602 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 1242 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 9/9 1444 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 2049 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/30 MP: 1/11 2501 | D:3 | HP: 1/30 [worker ant (5)] 2507 | D:3 | Succumbed to a worker ant's poison Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 || total -------------------------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Club | 48 | || 48 Whip | 97 | 43 || 140 Cast: Magic Dart | 68 | 15 || 83 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | || 1

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 132 Yggdrasil the Magician (level 2, 0/18 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Slain by a worm (7 damage) ... on Level 2 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:09:47 (1443 turns). Yggdrasil the Magician (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 1443, Time: 00:09:47 HP 0/18 AC 5 Str 9 XL: 2 Next: 65% MP 3/7 EV 12 Int 18 God: Gold 111 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 1 memorised, 6 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . e - -2,-1 orc club (curse) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +1 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: very slightly contaminated, not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +4 a: no special abilities You were on level 2 of the Dungeon. You were hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 2 of its levels. You collected 91 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons e - a cursed -2,-1 orcish club (weapon) f - a cursed -3,-2 spear (quivered) Armour b - a +1 wizard hat (worn) Comestibles d - a bread ration k - a meat ration Scrolls g - 2 scrolls of identify {unknown} h - a scroll of fog {unknown} j - a scroll of enchant armour Potions a - a potion of heal wounds {unknown} i - 3 potions of flight {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: - Level 1.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting + Level 2.7 Conjurations Level 1.0 Summonings Level 1.0 Translocations You had 6 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ###.. 8% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (2/27) Altars: Annotations D:2 Jessica Message History Jessica hits you but does no damage. You closely miss Jessica. You tail-slap Jessica. Jessica is almost dead. Jessica closely misses you. You hit Jessica but do no damage. Jessica is almost dead. Jessica very coldly says, "I hate your company." Jessica hits you but does no damage. Jessica barely misses you. The worm closely misses you. You closely miss Jessica. Jessica is almost dead. Jessica looks very angry. Jessica hits you but does no damage. You barely miss Jessica. Jessica is almost dead. Jessica gestures wildly. Jessica drinks a potion. Jessica is healed! The worm misses you. You hit Jessica. Jessica is moderately wounded. Jessica hits you with a dagger. Jessica misses you. The worm bites you! You die... ### #.# #.#### #....# #.##.# ######## #.##.# #############......#########.##.# ............'......'......##.##.# #############......###.#####.##.# #......# #w# #.##.# ######## #@# #.##.# ########@#####.##.## .........#.........# .#######.#.###.##### #.#.# #.# .#######.#.###.# .#...........#.##### ........>..........# ##.........#.#.####### +## #....###...#.#.##.# #...# #....###...#.#.##.# +...+ +..............##.# #...# #.................# You could see a worm and Jessica. Vanquished Creatures A giant gecko (D:1) A giant cockroach (D:2) 5 hobgoblins (D:1) A jackal (D:1) 4 bats (D:1) 4 giant newts 3 kobolds (D:1) A rat (D:1) 20 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 388 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 7/7 1199 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica 1443 | D:2 | Slain by a worm Action || total -------------------------++------- Melee: Club || 56 Unarmed || 5 Cast: Magic Dart || 36 Use: Scroll || 1

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 121 Yggdrasil the Ruinous (level 3, 0/24 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Slain by a gnoll ... wielding a +0,+0 club (11 damage) ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:09:17 (1343 turns). Yggdrasil the Ruinous (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 1343, Time: 00:09:17 HP 0/24 AC 6 Str 9 XL: 3 Next: 50% MP 3/9 EV 12 Int 19 God: Gold 73 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 1 memorised, 7 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . a - +1,+0 elf dagger (flame) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +1 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +5 a: no special abilities You were on level 1 of the Dungeon. You were not hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 2 of its levels. You collected 53 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +1,+0 elven dagger of flaming (weapon) i - a +0,+0 short sword Armour b - a +1 wizard hat (worn) Comestibles d - a bread ration m - a meat ration Scrolls h - 2 scrolls of identify j - a scroll of remove curse n - a scroll of curse jewellery {unknown} p - a scroll of blinking {unknown} Jewellery e - an uncursed ring of teleportation Potions f - a potion of invisibility g - a potion of might {unknown} k - a potion of curing {unknown} o - a potion of experience {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: - Level 1.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting + Level 3.4 Conjurations Level 1.0 Summonings Level 1.0 Translocations You had 7 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ####. 4% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (2/27) Altars: Message History The gnoll is moderately wounded. The gnoll hits you with a club! You hit the gnoll but do no damage. The gnoll is moderately wounded. You barely miss the gnoll. The gnoll is moderately wounded. The gnoll hits you with a club. You completely miss the gnoll. The gnoll is moderately wounded. The gnoll barely misses you. You closely miss the gnoll. The gnoll is moderately wounded. The gnoll barely misses you. You hit the gnoll but do no damage. Your tail-slap misses the gnoll. The gnoll is moderately wounded. The gnoll hits you but does no damage. You completely miss the gnoll. The gnoll is moderately wounded. The gnoll hits you with a club! You die... ..# #........# #....# ..################........####....# ..............(.^............>....# ..#######.####......####.#####....# ..#### #.####......####.# ##...## ...... ..........<..)...####.....# ...... ...........................# ...........(##......#########.....# ..##.#########......# #.....# ####.# #......# #.....# ####.############.############...## .............................)...# ##.#.############.#...@..........# ##.#.####### #.#....g.........# ............# #.#..............# .....######.# #.#.....(........# +++++## .# #.#..............# ....+..####.# #.#.........##.#.# ..<.+.......# #.#######.####.#.# .<..+.......#####. #.# #.#.# ....+.............#######%####.#.# +'+++#......# #.......##.......#.# .....#......# #.......##.......#.# ####.###.#### #........#......##.# ###.###(# #................#.# You could see a gnoll. Vanquished Creatures 2 gnolls (D:2) A giant gecko (D:1) 2 bats (D:1) 5 goblins 4 hobgoblins (D:1) 4 kobolds (D:1) 2 giant cockroaches (D:1) 2 giant newts (D:1) 3 jackals (D:1) 3 rats (D:1) 28 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 413 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 0/7 1163 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 14/24 MP: 5/9 1343 | D:1 | Slain by a gnoll Action || total -------------------------++------- Melee: Unarmed || 5 Club || 4 Dagger || 39 Throw: Dagger || 1 Cast: Magic Dart || 51 Use: Scroll || 6

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 52 Yggdrasil the Magician (level 1, -2/12 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Slain by a gnoll ... wielding a +0,+0 flail (7 damage) ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:04:27 (509 turns). Yggdrasil the Magician (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 509, Time: 00:04:27 HP -2/12 AC 4 Str 9 XL: 1 Next: 83% MP 1/5 EV 12 Int 18 God: Gold 45 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 1 memorised, 5 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . (no weapon) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +0 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +4 a: no special abilities You were on level 1 of the Dungeon. You were not hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 1 of its levels. You collected 25 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +0,+1 dwarven dagger (quivered) Armour b - a +0 wizard hat (worn) Comestibles d - 2 bread rations f - a meat ration Scrolls g - a scroll of noise {unknown} i - a scroll of teleportation {unknown} Potions e - a potion of might {unknown} h - a potion of curing {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: - Level 1.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting + Level 2.0 Conjurations Level 1.0 Summonings Level 1.0 Translocations You had 5 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ##... 10% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (1/27) Altars: Message History You hit the gnoll but do no damage. The gnoll is almost dead. You barely miss the gnoll. The gnoll is almost dead. The gnoll hits you with a flail. You hit the gnoll but do no damage. The gnoll is almost dead. The gnoll closely misses you. You hit the gnoll but do no damage. The gnoll is almost dead. The gnoll hits you with a flail. Ouch! That really hurt! You barely miss the gnoll. The gnoll is almost dead. The gnoll closely misses you. You closely miss the gnoll. The gnoll is almost dead. The gnoll hits you with a flail! Ouch! That really hurt! You die... . . #. #......# ##.#..#.# .#.##. #.###......####.....#.# ...... .. ..............)....# .....##. #. #......####.....### ....... . #. #......# #.....# .....# ##.##.##.###......####<....# ..... ...........)...............# .#!# .....##.######.#.####.....# ...# #.# ... #. #.#.# ##.##.# ..[# #.# #.# #.######.#%# #.##.# ...# #.# ##.# ###........#.# #.##.# .### #.# .##.###.#..g.....#.#####.##.# .# ###.###.##.....#..@.....#.##.......# %# #......###.#.#.###......#.##.......# J####......#.........#.%....#.##.......# .#.......###.#.#.#.#.###....#.##.......# .#.............#.#.....................# .#.......#.#.###.###.#.#...............# .%.......#......<......#....####......># ##.......#.#[###.###.#.##.### #.......# #...J.........#.#........# ######### #...#######.#.#.#.#.####.# #...# #.........# #.# #...# ###.#.#.### #.# #...# #.....# #.# You could see a gnoll. Vanquished Creatures A bat (D:1) A hobgoblin (D:1) A kobold (D:1) A giant newt (D:1) A goblin (D:1) 2 rats (D:1) 7 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A rat (D:1) 1 creature vanquished. Grand Total: 8 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 509 | D:1 | Slain by a gnoll Action || total -------------------------++------- Melee: Unarmed || 10 Cast: Magic Dart || 24

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 387 Yggdrasil the Ruinous (level 5, -1/36 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Was a Follower of Vehumet. Killed by nerve-wracking pain ... invoked by an orc priest (5 damage) ... on Level 3 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:26:58 (3396 turns). Yggdrasil the Ruinous (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 3396, Time: 00:26:58 HP -1/36 AC 6 Str 9 XL: 5 Next: 96% MP 12/12 EV 12 Int 20 God: Vehumet [*.....] Gold 126 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 1 memorised, 9 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : + s - +1,+0 elf short sword (speed) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +0 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : + a - +0 pair of boots Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . B - amulet of stasis {unknown} Saprovore : . . . Flight : . v - ring of wizardry u - ring of see invisible {unknown} @: very slightly contaminated, slightly resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +5 a: Renounce Religion You were on level 3 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Vehumet. Vehumet was pleased with you. You were very hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 5 of its levels. You collected 106 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons f - a +0,+1 orcish hammer of holy wrath n - a +1,+1 dwarven mace of crushing s - a +1,+0 elven short sword of speed (weapon) Armour a - a +0 pair of boots (worn) b - a +0 wizard hat (worn) Magical devices x - a wand of random effects (15) {unknown} Comestibles d - 2 bread rations i - a choko t - a meat ration w - an apple Scrolls g - a scroll of fog {unknown} k - a scroll of identify {unknown} l - 3 scrolls of remove curse {unknown} p - a scroll of noise {unknown} y - a scroll of magic mapping {unknown} Jewellery u - a ring of see invisible (left hand) {unknown} v - a ring of wizardry (right hand) B - an amulet of stasis (around neck) {unknown} C - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation {unknown} Potions e - 2 potions of mutation {unknown} h - a potion of restore abilities {unknown} j - a potion of might {unknown} m - 2 potions of speed {unknown} o - 3 potions of curing {unknown} q - a potion of cure mutation {unknown} r - a potion of flight {unknown} z - a potion of brilliance {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: + Level 3.9 Maces & Flails - Level 1.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting - Level 4.2 Conjurations Level 1.0 Summonings Level 1.0 Translocations You had 9 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ####. 1% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (5/27) Temple: D:4-7 Altars: Makhleb Vehumet Annotations D:3 Ijyb Message History The orc priest is almost dead. The orc hits you with an orcish club. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You hit the orc priest. The orc priest is almost dead. The orc priest hits you but does no damage. You hit the orc priest but do no damage. The orc priest is almost dead. The orc barely misses you. You hit the orc priest but do no damage. The orc priest is almost dead. The orc priest misses you. You barely miss the orc priest. The orc priest is almost dead. The orc barely misses you. You closely miss the orc priest. The orc priest is almost dead. The orc priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon you. Pain shoots through your body! You die... ############ #.......)..### #.........@o.# #.>.......o#..# #..........# ..# #..........# .+ +..........# # #.>........# #..........# #####+###### You could see an orc priest and an orc. Vanquished Creatures A hound (D:2) An orc priest (D:4) A crocodile skeleton (D:4) An iguana (D:4) A worker ant (D:4) 2 adders (D:2) A giant mite (D:1) 4 worms A bat skeleton (D:4) 2 giant geckos (D:4) 6 orcs A ball python (D:1) 9 hobgoblins 4 jackals (D:4) 9 kobolds A quokka (D:2) 9 bats 3 giant cockroaches 2 giant newts 8 goblins 4 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 72 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 165 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/7 861 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 9/9 1724 | D:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1747 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations 1747 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 20/30 MP: 9/11 2112 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 2176 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 2242 | D:4 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 2283 | D:4 | Became a worshipper of Vehumet 2508 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 36/36 MP: 7/12 3299 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3299 | D:5 | Noticed a phantom 3318 | D:4 | Acquired Vehumet's first power 3318 | D:4 | Offered knowledge of Sting by Vehumet. 3396 | D:3 | Killed from afar by an orc priest Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 || total -------------------------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 95 | 93 || 188 Unarmed | 2 | || 2 Cast: Magic Dart | 45 | 87 || 132

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 96 Yggdrasil the Magician (level 2, 0/18 HPs) Began as a Draconian Wizard on July 9, 2013. Slain by an adder (1 damage) ... on Level 2 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:12:05 (1803 turns). Yggdrasil the Magician (Draconian Wizard) Turns: 1803, Time: 00:12:05 HP 0/18 AC 5 Str 9 XL: 2 Next: 72% MP 7/7 EV 12 Int 18 God: Gold 73 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 3 memorised, 2 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . s - +0 orc spear Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . b - +0 wizard hat Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . l - +0 pair of gauntlets Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . o - amulet of inaccuracy {unknown} Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: mildly poisoned, not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, AC +4 a: no special abilities You were on level 2 of the Dungeon. You were starving. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 2 of its levels. You collected 53 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons s - a +0,+0 orcish spear (weapon) Armour b - a +0 wizard hat (worn) h - a +0 large shield l - a +0 pair of gauntlets (worn) Comestibles d - a bread ration g - 2 pears k - 2 meat rations Scrolls f - a scroll of identify {unknown} j - a scroll of enchant weapon I {unknown} n - a scroll of curse weapon {unknown} p - a scroll of remove curse {unknown} r - a scroll of amnesia {unknown} Jewellery o - an amulet of inaccuracy (around neck) {unknown} Potions a - 3 potions of curing {unknown} e - a potion of brilliance {unknown} i - a potion of heal wounds {unknown} m - a potion of paralysis {unknown} q - a potion of invisibility {unknown} t - 2 potions of cure mutation {unknown} Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 *Blink Translocation 2 *Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: - Level 0.4 Fighting - Level 2.1 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth Level 0.8 Shields - Level 3.0 Spellcasting - Level 1.0 Conjurations + Level 2.0 Summonings - Level 1.0 Translocations You had 2 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ##... 12% 1 None b - Call Imp Summ ##........ 12% 2 ##..... c - Blink Tloc N/A 17% 2 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (2/27) Altars: Cheibriados Message History The adder is heavily wounded. The adder bites you but does no damage. You barely miss the adder. The adder is heavily wounded. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You feel sick. The adder misses you. You miss the adder. The adder is heavily wounded. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You feel sick. The adder barely misses you. The adder barely misses you. You closely miss the adder. The adder is heavily wounded. The adder closely misses you. You miss the adder. The adder is heavily wounded. The adder bites you but does no damage. You barely miss the adder. Your tail-slap misses the adder. The adder is heavily wounded. The adder bites you. You die... ..... ....# #.##.#####..# #.#......#..# #.#..##.....# . #.#..##.###.# ... #.#..#### #.# ....###.#..######.# ######## %.......#.......#.# ........ .........)..####.#.# ........ ........S....### #.# ######################...# #.# #...............#S#.# #.# ######.#############.#@#.# #.# .......# #.#.#.# #.# ######## #.#.#.# #.# #.#.#.# #.# #.#.#.# #.# #.#.#.# #.# #.#.#.# #.# #.#.### #.# #.#.. #.# #.#######.## #..........# #########.## ### You could see an adder. Vanquished Creatures A giant gecko (D:2) An ooze (D:1) A goblin (D:1) 3 hobgoblins (D:1) 2 jackals (D:2) A ball python (D:1) 3 bats (D:1) 3 giant newts 4 kobolds (D:1) A rat (D:2) 20 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A jackal (D:2) 1 creature vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A ball python (D:1) 1 creature vanquished. Grand Total: 22 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Draconian Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/5 416 | D:1 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 841 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/18 MP: 2/7 877 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 880 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 1803 | D:2 | Slain by an adder Action || total -------------------------++------- Melee: Club || 68 Spear || 88 Cast: Magic Dart || 24 Call Imp || 2

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 112 Yggdrasil the Firebug (level 2, 0/15 HPs) Began as a Deep Elf Fire Elementalist on July 9, 2013. Slain by a giant gecko (2 damage) ... on Level 2 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:09:17 (1410 turns). Yggdrasil the Firebug (Deep Elf Fire Elementalist) Turns: 1410, Time: 00:09:17 HP 0/15 AC 2 Str 5 XL: 2 Next: 62% MP 7/7 EV 13 Int 19 God: Gold 91 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 2 memorised, 2 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . d - +2 dwarf short sword Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . a - +0 elf robe Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (no helmet) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: nauseated, not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: no striking features a: no special abilities You were on level 2 of the Dungeon. You were starving. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 2 of its levels. You collected 71 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons d - a +2,+2 dwarven short sword (weapon) m - a +0,+0 whip Armour a - a +0 elven robe (worn) Comestibles c - a bread ration f - an apple Scrolls j - a scroll of curse armour {unknown} k - a scroll of enchant weapon I {unknown} l - a scroll of noise {unknown} n - a scroll of enchant armour {unknown} Potions e - a potion of resistance {unknown} g - a potion of curing {unknown} h - 2 potions of heal wounds {unknown} i - a potion of cure mutation {unknown} o - a potion of restore abilities {unknown} Books b - a book of Flames Spells Type Level *Flame Tongue Conjuration/Fire 1 *Throw Flame Conjuration/Fire 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 Sticky Flame Conjuration/Fire 4 Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 Skills: - Level 2.4 Dodging - Level 2.4 Stealth + Level 2.0 Spellcasting + Level 1.2 Conjurations * Level 4.1 Fire Magic You had 2 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire ###... 8% 1 #...... b - Throw Flame Conj/Fire ###.... 10% 2 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (2/27) Altars: Message History You closely miss the giant gecko. The giant gecko bites you. You hit the giant gecko. The giant gecko is moderately wounded. The giant gecko barely misses you. You barely miss the giant gecko. The giant gecko is moderately wounded. The giant gecko bites you but does no damage. The giant gecko closely misses you. You completely miss the giant gecko. The giant gecko is moderately wounded. The giant gecko bites you. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You hit the giant gecko. The giant gecko is severely wounded. The giant gecko bites you. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * You miss the giant gecko. The giant gecko is severely wounded. The giant gecko bites you. You die... ###.... #.. ##..(... ... ........ #.# .....#.#####.# ##.#......##.# .:. ##............# ... .............#.# #... . #.###.#.##....###.##.### .#. ##..##).......##... ... #..##.....#####..# ...# ##..##.....# #..# ....###.#####...######..#####.# .......## ##........@.......# ####..## #.<######l.####### #..## #..# #..# #...#######..# #..# #............# #..# ###.#######.## #... #...######.# ##.## ......#...<....# .# #####...######## # ##.## ... #### You could see a giant gecko. Vanquished Creatures 3 giant cockroaches (D:1) 4 goblins (D:1) 3 hobgoblins 5 kobolds (D:1) 2 bats (D:1) A giant newt (D:1) 18 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A goblin (D:1) 1 creature vanquished. Grand Total: 19 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 4/4 541 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 6/6 545 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Flame 590 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Fire Magic 1410 | D:2 | Slain by a giant gecko Action || total -------------------------++------- Melee: Short sword || 11 Cast: Flame Tongue || 15 Throw Flame || 15

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 16:53 by BlackSheep

General tips: if you start as an elementalist, conjurer, etc., use your spells to kill things. Don't start training Maces & Flails just because you picked one up. You can certainly hold a weapon to use if you run out of MP (though you're better off running before that happens), but limit your skill training to the skills needed to cast your offensive spells.

If you start as a wizard, learn Call Imp as soon as you hit level 2. Then exploit the hell out of it.

Don't wear unidentified amulets.

Try to use your scrolls sooner. If one asks for an item in your inventory as a target, target potions first. Many potions are absolute life savers early on. The sooner you know what they are, the better.

Rest after fights until your MP and HP are full. Don't try to regen on the go.

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 17:13 by Amnesiac

If you are playing a wizard, you might want to start by maxing you magic dart (for example, for deep elf wizard it's spellcasting at 5 and conj. at 4, and this way you can learn 2 spells of 2lv and 2 of 3lv when you hit it). Mephitic cloud can confuse anything not resistant to poison, a very useful spell, almost seems to be overpowered. If something is poison resistant and tough use conjure flame, preferably in a tunel. If something hard hitting is in melee range, use blink and confuse it. Looking at your morgue files, I see a death from a worm, just step away from it, it's slow. An ant is quick but a mephitic cloud surely will work. Terence is quite weak but might wear an armour that makes him hard to hurt with a magic dart, so you might confuse him and stab with a dagger, for example or make it possible for him to only move from you into a conjured flame, using a tunnel.

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 17:51 by Sandman25

Retreat from a normal speed monster (like Gnoll) if you are wounded or are out of MP. You can run around while waiting for your HP/MP to restore.
Don't melee Giant Gecko when you have MPs, your spells cause more damage (and are ranged) than Short Sword (or almost any other weapon).
Don't wield Club, it is awful weapon and cannot have brands.
You can almost safely use your spells vs normal speed monster which is not adjacent to you, when it's only 1 step away - retreat and go upstairs, then use another stairs to go back to the level.

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 17:54 by mopl

Amnesiac wrote: Looking at your morgue files, I see a death from a worm, just step away from it, it's slow.

Like jellies and other 'not intelligent' enemies, they will alos walk in your Conjured Flames :twisted:

Wz have early accesss to Blink which allows you to escape, and you can also spam Call Imp against dangerous enemies

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 18:11 by Amnesiac

Oh, and having your AC as high as possible is important for a low level character, so try on robes, they can be enchanted up to +2 even if not glowing/runed. Trying on a glowing/runed leather armour might also be a good idea as casting penalty is low and it can turn out to be something like a +3 leather armour of fire resistance. They also often turn out to be cursed and with a negative enchantment, so having scrolls of remove curse is recomended before trying. Also look out for helmets, gloves, boots, cloaks and bucklers (for normal sized species you need to train shields to 0.9 to nagete it's penalty on casting only if you are wearing a robe/steam dragon armour, in other words things that have 0 EV penalty)

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 18:19 by scott9027

Amnesiac wrote:If you are playing a wizard, you might want to start by maxing you magic dart (for example, for deep elf wizard it's spellcasting at 5 and conj. at 4, and this way you can learn 2 spells of 2lv and 2 of 3lv when you hit it).

I will definitely try this with my next wizard, and I won't pick up any melee weapons to train myself to either kill it with spells or run. Hopefully won't see any adders, they are faster than me and venomous, ouch

How would I know that those skill levels are improving (and then maxing) magic dart? And then how would I know what to shoot for with subsequent spells?

Imps must be better than I realized, I got them in one game and it seemed like they just blinked around while the enemy made a bee line for me. I'll try them again for sure.

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 18:31 by mopl

scott9027 wrote:Imps must be better than I realized, I got them in one game and it seemed like they just blinked around while the enemy made a bee line for me. I'll try them again for sure.

When I asked about their reliability, I was answered : Call more Imps !
So I give you the same advice, 1 Imp won't help because of him blinking around, but 4, 5, 6... :twisted:

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 18:40 by Amnesiac

scott9027 wrote:
Amnesiac wrote:If you are playing a wizard, you might want to start by maxing you magic dart (for example, for deep elf wizard it's spellcasting at 5 and conj. at 4, and this way you can learn 2 spells of 2lv and 2 of 3lv when you hit it).

I will definitely try this with my next wizard, and I won't pick up any melee weapons to train myself to either kill it with spells or run. Hopefully won't see any adders, they are faster than me and venomous, ouch

How would I know that those skill levels are improving (and then maxing) magic dart? And then how would I know what to shoot for with subsequent spells?

Imps must be better than I realized, I got them in one game and it seemed like they just blinked around while the enemy made a bee line for me. I'll try them again for sure.

First learn all the interface and commands by pressing "?" If you press z you can see what schools do you use and what power your spells have. As for adders, they are pretty weak, if you have enough range and at least 4/5 power of magic dart, you can just cast it until you kill it. At level 2 you can even blink to make things easier.

Anyway, this game is pretty hard and only thing that will help you is probably learning how to play, while dying a lot. Wizard is easiest to play in my opinion, but it still took me a few months to collect 15 runes, so you might consider if it's worth it.

And even having a lot of experience won't probably save you from frustration and stupid deaths in this game.

Wednesday, 10th July 2013, 19:52 by Psieye

scott9027 wrote:I will definitely try this with my next wizard, and I won't pick up any melee weapons to train myself to either kill it with spells or run.

That's fine for now to train the right mentality, but afterwards get used to picking up a dagger (it's quick and accurate in exchange for low damage) and using it with 0 skill under appropriate circumstances. Learning what 'appropriate circumstances' are comes from experience.

The game is balanced around the assumption you're immediately putting all your EXP into making your Lv 1 attack spell as strong as possible when you start out. Failure to keep up with the steep 'killing power curve' is the quickest way to die from bad strategy (as opposed to tactics).

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 02:25 by scott9027

Had one game that was a modest improvement, still not sure how much conjurations or fire magic or spellcasting I need to pursue, in this game I pretty much just left all 3 on and went with it, got throw flame hungerless pretty quickly after unlocking it. Didn't get to use conjure flame, had one situation where it would have helped shortly after memorizing it but the monsters were on top of me and I didn't think walking through it myself would be helpful. Seemed like the ice beast was just too strong for me to kill at that point despite investing exclusively in offensive power. Still happy with the mild progress I made. Here's the dump:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 966 Yggdrasil the Magician (level 7, -2/36 HPs) Began as a Deep Elf Fire Elementalist on July 10, 2013. Slain by an ice beast (11 damage) ... on Level 5 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 01:07:19 (5795 turns). Yggdrasil the Magician (Deep Elf Fire Elementalist) Turns: 5795, Time: 01:07:19 HP -2/36 AC 5 Str 5 XL: 7 Next: 43% MP 13/23 EV 13 Int 22 God: Gold 243 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 3 memorised, 13 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . D - +1 orc flail (holy) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . B - +1 robe Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (no helmet) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . m - +1 pair of gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: nauseated, slightly resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: no striking features a: no special abilities You were on level 5 of the Dungeon. You were not hungry. You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 6 of its levels. You collected 223 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons D - a +1,+1 orcish flail of holy wrath (weapon) Armour m - a +1 pair of gloves (worn) B - a +1 robe (worn) Comestibles c - 2 bread rations f - 2 chokos l - 2 apples s - 3 meat rations z - a royal jelly L - 2 rotting chunks of orc flesh Scrolls g - 4 scrolls of remove curse {unknown} i - 3 scrolls of recharging {unknown} k - a scroll of teleportation {unknown} n - 3 scrolls of blinking r - 3 scrolls of magic mapping u - a scroll of fog y - 2 scrolls of random uselessness G - a scroll of amnesia {unknown} H - a scroll of curse armour {unknown} J - a scroll of fear {unknown} Jewellery o - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit Potions e - 4 potions of heal wounds {unknown} h - a potion of curing {unknown} j - 2 potions of flight {unknown} p - a potion of poison {unknown} q - 2 potions of magic {unknown} w - a potion of agility {unknown} A - a potion of confusion {unknown} F - a potion of might {unknown} I - a potion of speed {unknown} K - 3 potions of brilliance {unknown} Books b - a book of Flames Spells Type Level *Flame Tongue Conjuration/Fire 1 *Throw Flame Conjuration/Fire 2 *Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 Sticky Flame Conjuration/Fire 4 Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 C - a book of Alchemy Spells Type Level Lethal Infusion Charms/Necromancy 2 Sublimation of Blood Necromancy 2 Condensation Shield Ice 4 Alistair's Intoxication Transmutation/Poison 4 Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 Ignite Poison Fire/Transmutation 5 E - a book of Summonings Spells Type Level Abjuration Summoning 3 Recall Summoning/Translocation 3 Summon Elemental Summoning 4 Shadow Creatures Summoning 5 Summon Demon Summoning 5 Summon Ugly Thing Summoning 6 Skills: - Level 2.4 Dodging - Level 2.4 Stealth + Level 6.7 Spellcasting + Level 5.1 Conjurations + Level 5.6 Fire Magic You had 13 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire #####. 1% 1 None b - Throw Flame Conj/Fire #####.. 1% 2 None c - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire #####.... 2% 3 #...... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (6/27) Temple: D:4-7 Orc: D:6-11 Altars: Okawaru Annotations D:6 Eustachio Message History The ice beast is almost dead. The ice beast misses you. Casting: Flame Tongue Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Flame Tongue Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - ice beast Aim: an ice beast (almost dead) The flame hits the ice beast. The ice beast appears unharmed. The ice beast is almost dead. The ice beast hits you but does no damage. Casting: Flame Tongue Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Flame Tongue Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - ice beast Aim: an ice beast (almost dead) The flame misses the ice beast. The flame hits the orc. The orc appears unharmed. The ice beast hits you. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The ice beast freezes you! One of your 2 silvery potions freezes and shatters! You die... ***### ##### **,*#.### ***** ### ### ##...####.#*#.... ,,,,* #.###.########..#.....#* #.##* ,**** *#** #.##..oI@.......##...##**#..## ,** **#..** #......#####....#*##.....#.... *,****,....** #......# #....## ########.### **,**,,.....**#......####....# #..## ##... *,,,,.......##.......##....## ##...# #.#. **,,,......!..........#....# #..#.## ##.## **,,,......................####.##..###.... **,,,,,.......###.............#.####........ ,,,,,**.......* #...##..........# ##....... ,,,,,,,#......#*#...##.....###..# *#.##..## ,,***,,,.......##..####...## ##.####..###..# ,** **,,,.......#..# #...# *........###... ,,** **,,..........# #...#***.............. You could see an ice beast and an orc. Vanquished Creatures A human zombie (D:5) A phantom (D:4) A centaur skeleton (D:4) An orc priest (D:4) 2 hounds A worker ant (D:6) 2 orc wizards (D:4) 7 adders An iguana skeleton (D:4) 3 worms (D:3) A bat skeleton (D:4) 2 giant eyeballs (D:4) 2 giant geckos 10 orcs 5 giant cockroaches 6 goblins 16 hobgoblins 4 jackals 4 kobolds A quokka (D:2) 5 bats 4 giant newts (D:1) 13 rats 93 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A giant newt (D:2) A jackal (D:3) A kobold (D:2) 3 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 96 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Yggdrasil, the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 4/4 384 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 10/15 MP: 1/7 487 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Flame 1196 | D:1 | Noticed a phantom 1568 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 7/10 2335 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 10/13 2978 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting 3146 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 3517 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 12/17 3896 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 4201 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 15/20 4556 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 4606 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 4606 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 4967 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4985 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 5196 | D:5 | Noticed a human zombie 5261 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting 5497 | D:6 | Noticed Eustachio 5745 | D:5 | Killed a human zombie 5745 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 5745 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 23/23 5795 | D:5 | Slain by an ice beast Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Cast: Flame Tongue | 71 | 122 | 10 || 203 Throw Flame | | 28 | 2 || 30 Use: Scroll | | 7 | || 7

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 02:34 by pubby

Throw flame is a waste of spell slots. I never bother learning it. Also, hungerless is the least of your worries, especially for a level 2 spell.

Conjure flame is really really good for blocking off hallways. Also, some creatures are stupid enough to walk onto it and so if you can tank a turn or two of their damage you'll have them killed. You should learn it ASAP instead of learning throw flame.

You shouldn't be training spellcasting so early: focus only on fire magic and conjuration. You want both a powerful flame tongue and also to get sticky flame castable quickly.

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 02:37 by rchandra

You have 13 spell levels left, and didn't memorize the rest of your starting spells. Inner Flame is a bit odd, but the other two should always be taken. Sticky Flame would prevent ice beast from living.

Conjure Flame needs to be used before the monsters are next to you - since most monsters are the same speed as you you can move to a place where it's useful.

Training all of spc/conj/fire is OK, I might use focus on conj/fire.

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 03:04 by crate

Throw flame is a waste of spell slots. I never bother learning it.

this is a lie
Throw flame is a good spell. I cannot understand people who skip it.

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 03:52 by That Other Guy

I've been in your situation. Keep with the deep elf fire elementalists, they're built for casting, and learn all magic skills quickly.

Consider sticky flame a fiery poison. Smack something with it and run away, most monsters in the early dungeon can be killed with one sticky flame. Be careful if they're faster than you. You can check this by right clicking the monster, and if the info screen says fast or extremely you'll still get hit sometimes while running away.

Your experience shouldn't be stretched too thin in this build, but spellcasting should take a back seat in the early dungeon. Spell hunger won't kill you, but not being able to kill the other guys hard enough will. I like to train conjurations a little more than fire magic, because conjurations is a more versatile school, but it's important that they're both high. The game averages your skill to determine how strong the spell is, so having 8 in one and 1 in the other isn't doing you much good. (Someone smarter than me confirm this, please.)

When you see a monster that's dangerous try to lure him back into explored territory by running away once he notices you. It sucks to waste all your MP on 2 gnolls just to find out that there were 5 more just out of your line of sight.

Crawl is a game of incremental victories, you have to take what you can get and know that your next characters will be better.

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 06:22 by pubby

crate wrote:
Throw flame is a waste of spell slots. I never bother learning it.

this is a lie
Throw flame is a good spell. I cannot understand people who skip it.

According to what?

Quick testing in wizard mode is showing it's actually doing less damage per-cast to ogres than flame tongue when below power 30. Above power 30 it's killing them in about 4 turns, while flame tongue takes about 6. That's 2 more mp which could have been used on a conjure flame. And by the time you reach power 30 you can already memorize sticky flame.

Am I missing something?

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 06:25 by Sar

It has really good range.

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 06:31 by crate

I suggest using throw flame in game instead of trying to use it on spreadsheets and calculators. It will be much easier to see why it is a good spell if you actually try to use it.

I use it past lair on almost all my FEs.

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 21:08 by Siegurt

I always use throw flame until things get into range, Look at it this way, for an extra MP it gives you a couple shots *more* before the critter gets to you. Yes, it's less effective at short range, but it's not like you're *required* to use only one spell to kill stuff, and after all the game for spellcasters in general is "don't let it touch you"

On the other hand it's usually the first thing I forget once I've gotten fireball or one of the other high level long range fire conjurations online.

It's also pretty nice to Inner flame a rat at max range, and then throw fire it to blow it up and take out it's neighbors, to do the same with a short range spell is more risky unless you're also using conjure flame, which takes up even more MP.

Thursday, 11th July 2013, 21:43 by Silk

Throw Flame has better range (starting the fight earlier enables you to end it earlier) and against packs of monsters the decreased accuracy becomes less of a factor. Miss opp 1, hit opp 2 who was next on your "to-kill" list anyway.

I haven't tried out Vehumet with his new spell-gifting system. Does it lead to problems for FE's not having enough spell levels free at some point?

Friday, 12th July 2013, 03:46 by rchandra

Silk wrote:I haven't tried out Vehumet with his new spell-gifting system. Does it lead to problems for FE's not having enough spell levels free at some point?

Not really. With Vehumet I train spellcasting a bit more than I otherwise would (which is not much), and usually travel with an amnesia scroll or two. It's also important to remember you don't need to take all of his spells. I think my last vehumet game I took 6 of the 15 spells.

Friday, 12th July 2013, 06:15 by prozacelf

Although it should be noted that DE could learn every spell Vehumet offered without too major of a strain on the xp budget. I think the situation where you'd actually want to would be pretty rare though. I was able to learn every spell offered except for spectral weapon (no longer a Veh spell) and delayed fireball by putting spellcasting at 33% and leaving it there until the final gift.

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