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Sunday, 30th June 2013, 01:52 by some12fat2move

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.1 (tiles) character file. Sevenburp the Jinx (Deep Elf Enchanter) Turns: 8621, Time: 00:57:14 HP 41/45 AC 7 Str 5 XL: 9 Next: 78% MP 27/27 EV 12 Int 24 God: Ashenzari [......] Gold 303 SH 7 Dex 14 (15) Spells: 6 memorised, 5 levels left Res.Fire : x . . See Invis. : . v - orc dagger (holy) Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . M - +2 elf leather armour (curse) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . J - +0 buckler Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (no helmet) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . e - +0 pair of gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . C - +0 pair of boots (curse) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . L - ring of ice p - cursed runed granite ring {tried} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: no striking features a: Renounce Religion You are on level 8 of the Dungeon. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is noncommittal. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 9 of its levels. You have collected 283 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons q - an uncursed blowgun v - an uncursed orcish dagger of holy wrath (weapon) x - an uncursed vampiric demon trident Missiles l - 14 poisoned needles n - 7 needles of paralysis r - 3 curare-tipped needles H - 2 throwing nets (quivered) Armour e - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) C - a cursed +0 pair of boots (worn) J - a +0 buckler (worn) M - a cursed +2 elven leather armour (worn) Magical devices y - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} E - a crooked bronze wand I - a blackened fluorescent wand Comestibles a - 4 meat rations f - 2 bread rations Scrolls b - 2 scrolls labeled SCHONW IL OMURROO g - a scroll labeled BOP MITOMP i - a scroll labeled BITOXZ XUMO k - 3 scrolls of blinking m - a scroll of remove curse o - 3 scrolls labeled INUYDD UVING t - 2 scrolls of curse weapon A - 2 scrolls labeled OQOB URAXTAOST {tried on +0 pair of gloves} K - 2 scrolls labeled SUNYIFRUBIU N - 2 scrolls labeled EJOFAV ZIMNUCH O - 2 scrolls of curse jewellery Q - a scroll labeled YPTOSOYPSI T - 2 scrolls labeled KHERIOB LOIH ZIMPI Jewellery p - a cursed runed granite ring (left hand) {tried} F - an uncursed ruby ring {tried} L - a ring of ice (right hand) Potions d - a yellow potion h - 4 potions of curing j - a bubbling silvery potion s - 2 purple potions u - 2 inky potions w - a fizzy pink potion B - 2 silvery potions D - 2 murky cyan potions G - a smoky red potion Books c - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level *Corona Hexes 1 Sure Blade Hexes/Charms 2 *Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 *Confuse Hexes 3 *Enslavement Hexes 4 *Invisibility Hexes 6 R - a book of Frost Spells Type Level Freeze Ice 1 Throw Frost Conjuration/Ice 2 *Ozocubu's Armour Charms/Ice 3 Throw Icicle Conjuration/Ice 4 Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 Condensation Shield Ice 4 Skills: - Level 1.0 Short Blades - Level 1.1 Throwing - Level 5.0 Dodging - Level 8.0 Stealth - Level 8.0 Stabbing + Level 0.1 Shields - Level 8.0 Spellcasting - Level 8.4 Hexes - Level 1.0 Ice Magic You have 5 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex #######. 1% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ######. 1% 2 None c - Confuse Hex #######.. 1% 3 None d - Enslavement Hex #######.. 2% 4 ##..... e - Ozocubu's Armour Chrm/Ice ####...... 17% 3 None f - Invisibility Hex #######.. 41% 6 ######. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (8/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:8 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Message History A crimson imp comes into view. Aiming: Ensorcelled Hibernation Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - crimson imp Aim: a crimson imp You feel a surge of power! The crimson imp looks drowsy... The helpless crimson imp fails to defend itself. You cut the crimson imp into ribbons!!! You kill the crimson imp! Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... You drop a rotting chunk of worker ant flesh. Memorise Ozocubu's Armour, consuming 3 spell levels and leaving 11? You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising. You continue memorising. You finish memorising. This spell is very dangerous to cast! Memorise Invisibility, consuming 6 spell levels and leaving 5? You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising. You continue memorising. You finish memorising. ##.˜# #.####.#..#...... #.˜## #.#....#^[....... ##..# ##.######.....^... #..˜+ ##............##... #...# #.................. #..˜## ##............###... #...˜#####.........##### #### ##.....##........### # #.>##.##......### #####........## ##.......## #......### #......# #.....># #..@).## ###.....# #......## #......# #....%## #......# #.....## #.....# ###.... ..... ..#... #..#..# ... There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Pikel (D:5) Joseph (D:7) Prince Ribbit (D:5) A hungry ghost (D:6) 4 slaves 2 phantoms 2 ogres 2 sky beasts A centaur (D:7) 2 giant frogs (D:6) A killer bee zombie (D:7) 6 killer bees (D:8) A vampire bat (D:5) 3 wights (D:7) 4 crimson imps A gnoll shaman (D:6) A hound zombie (D:5) An orc priest (D:6) 4 hounds An orc wizard (D:4) A deep elf soldier (D:4) 2 scorpions 2 iguanas 6 worker ants Ijyb (D:5) A jelly (D:7) A mummy (D:8) 6 gnolls (D:6) 6 adders An inept feature mimic (D:6) An adder skeleton (D:8) 3 worms 2 spectral bats (D:5) 3 bat skeletons (D:5) A bat zombie (D:5) A giant eyeball (D:4) 18 orcs A ball python (D:4) 3 fire bats (D:5) 8 giant cockroaches 11 goblins 6 hobgoblins 7 jackals 9 kobolds 4 quokkas 23 bats A bat simulacrum (D:5) 3 giant geckos 7 giant newts A hobgoblin zombie (D:7) A kobold skeleton (D:6) 2 kobold zombies (D:8) 2 orc zombies (D:8) A quokka zombie (D:5) 7 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 194 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A jackal (D:3) 2 goblins 3 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 197 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Sevenburp, the Deep Elf Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 4/4 291 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 6/6 439 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 1379 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 7/9 1710 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 1729 | D:3 | Noticed a phantom 1761 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 2636 | D:3 | Killed a phantom 2636 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 2636 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 12/24 MP: 8/12 2636 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 14/28 MP: 9/14 2981 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Hexes 3242 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 25/32 MP: 17/17 3252 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Hexes 3315 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 3899 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4055 | D:5 | Noticed Ijyb 4089 | D:5 | Killed Ijyb 4247 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 4402 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 4704 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 15/18 5006 | D:5 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 5603 | D:5 | Killed Prince Ribbit 5603 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 5648 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 6084 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 6084 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 34/41 MP: 12/22 6320 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6679 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 7062 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 25/25 7493 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph 7523 | D:7 | Killed Joseph 7795 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7810 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 7893 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 8570 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 8610 | D:8 | Learned a level 3 spell: Ozocubu's Armour 8617 | D:8 | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 171 | 168 | 267 || 606 Spear | 8 | | || 8 Fire: Blowgun | | | 4 || 4 Throw: Dart | 38 | | || 38 Dagger | 44 | 1 | 3 || 48 Spear | 10 | | || 10 Cast: Confuse | 13 | 3 | 38 || 54 Ensorcelled Hiber | 7 | 59 | 69 || 135 Corona | | | 13 || 13 Evoke: Wand | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | | 7 | 4 || 11 Potion | | 2 | 1 || 3 Stab: Sleeping | 7 | 39 | 63 || 109 Confused | 2 | 3 | 15 || 20

I was thinking of training up polearms

Sunday, 30th June 2013, 02:46 by rchandra

it is the opposite of bad? pity you'll have to train stabbing more (as a separate skill) though, if you want to poke-stab things.

Sunday, 30th June 2013, 03:55 by DeathKnyte

I dunno man, not likely a very good idea, unless you figure you want to keep that trident for a good part of the game.

You're a living species, so you have to be full in order just to wield it, then if you want to change to something else - it will require that you be full once more, to re-wield it after.
You're going to have to put some decent points to get it going at a good rate, with your aptitudes, and maybe you'd rather be putting those points into something that will help you survive better - at least till you can establish yourself and start clearing the Lair with confidence.
The game is still early for you, I would drop it at my depot for later considerations. And stay with the stealth, stab, and hexes game for now.

It really depends on what your plans are for this character.
If you'd say more concerning that, then we'd be able to say something more specific.

Sunday, 30th June 2013, 07:39 by Psieye

It'd be a good near-late game transition. Make yourself a proper stabber for now so you can breeze through Lair. Ideally, wait until you have some kind of summoning so you can poke while something else tanks for you. Training polearms right now would be a bad idea.

Sunday, 30th June 2013, 19:15 by mopl

You also definitely want to ID some of your scrolls/potions

Sunday, 30th June 2013, 23:37 by mikee

It's a pretty good idea. Technically you could do trident stabs, but you also might find (as I have) that you don't need to stab anything when you have one of the best possible weapons in the game on d:8. You also have ashenzari should you ever wish to reskill. Please consider removing the ring of ice.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 06:54 by Amnesiac

I think confusion + trident would work fine. Though having higher dex and stabbing would work better with a dagger + EH/invisibility, imo.

Monday, 1st July 2013, 16:40 by Igxfl

Training up Polearms?

It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! *rimshot*

Friday, 5th July 2013, 01:20 by some12fat2move

I actually made the weapon switch about midway through lair, which was quite a bad idea because suddenly my sleepstabs became crap and as well as my melee (should've gotten at least 10 polearms first). But I had summoning capability (ice beast at first, then shadow creatures) so nothing could kill me anyway. Then I got to minimum delay and melee became very impresive, it's really been a fair trade though EW has been pretty scarce. I'm pretty disappointed with mass confusion, seems like anytime I want to use it I can just use enslavement instead. Perhaps I just don't get it, but I'll probably tear out the page and get some necro for haunt. I was about to ask if I should switch to the +2 FDA that margie dropped but then I remembered that ozo's wouldn't work with it.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.1 (tiles) character file. Sevenburp the Eclecticist (Deep Elf Enchanter) Turns: 62725, Time: 08:38:30 HP 118/118 AC 17 Str 8 XL: 20 Next: 25% MP 27/43 EV 34 Int 30 God: Ashenzari [******] Gold 1601 SH 27 Dex 15 Spells: 15 memorised, 2 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + x - +3,+4 demon trident (vamp) (curse) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . Q - +3 leather armour {rF+} (curse) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : + j - +0 dwarf shield {reflect} (curse) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . a - +2 wizard hat {MR} (curse) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + i - +2 orc cloak (curse) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . e - +2 pair of gauntlets {Str+3} (curse) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . C - +2 pair of boots (curse) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . E - cursed amulet of conservation Saprovore : . . . Flight : . F - cursed +6 ring of evasion N - cursed +5 ring of evasion @: repel missiles, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extraordinarily stealthy A: no striking features a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion }: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer You are on level 2 of the Vaults. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 45 of its levels. You have collected 4071 gold pieces. You have spent 2490 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons x - a cursed +3,+4 vampiric demon trident (weapon) Missiles b - 4 throwing nets (quivered) A - 2 darts of dispersal Armour a - a cursed +2 wizard hat of magic resistance (worn) e - a cursed +2 pair of gauntlets of strength (worn) i - a cursed +2 orcish cloak (worn) j - a cursed +0 dwarven shield of reflection (worn) C - a cursed +2 pair of boots (worn) Q - a cursed +3 leather armour of fire resistance (worn) Magical devices u - a wand of digging z - a wand of invisibility (3) Comestibles g - a honeycomb t - 3 chunks of orc flesh Scrolls f - a scroll labeled SHOECZ FYMACO l - a scroll of identify p - 3 scrolls of magic mapping q - 2 scrolls of curse armour K - 2 scrolls of fog L - 2 scrolls of blinking P - 2 scrolls of fear T - 4 scrolls of teleportation Jewellery E - a cursed amulet of conservation (around neck) F - a cursed +6 ring of evasion (right hand) N - a cursed +5 ring of evasion (left hand) Potions c - a potion of brilliance d - 2 potions of resistance h - 4 potions of curing k - 2 potions of invisibility n - a potion of magic r - 3 potions of agility s - 3 potions of heal wounds D - 3 potions of speed Books o - a book of Summonings Spells Type Level Abjuration Summoning 3 Recall Summoning/Translocation 3 Summon Elemental Summoning 4 *Shadow Creatures Summoning 5 Summon Demon Summoning 5 Summon Ugly Thing Summoning 6 Skills: - Level 12.0 Fighting Level 1.0 Short Blades - Level 11.9(16.0) Polearms - Level 1.1 Throwing - Level 3.0 Armour - Level 12.9(17.0) Dodging - Level 15.0(19.0) Stealth - Level 10.0 Stabbing - Level 12.3(15.0) Shields - Level 6.0 Traps - Level 18.0 Spellcasting + Level 16.3(20.2) Hexes - Level 5.4(9.9) Charms - Level 5.5(10.0) Summonings - Level 1.6(4.6) Necromancy - Level 3.4(7.4) Translocations - Level 7.5(12.0) Ice Magic - Level 1.0(3.5) Air Magic You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ######## 0% 1 None b - Darkness Hex ########.. 1% 7 ####... c - Confuse Hex ########. 0% 3 None d - Enslavement Hex ########. 0% 4 None e - Ozocubu's Armour Chrm/Ice ########.. 1% 3 None f - Flight Chrm/Air #######... 1% 3 None g - Mass Confusion Hex ########.. 1% 6 #...... h - Swiftness Chrm/Air #######... 1% 2 None i - Apportation Tloc #######... 1% 1 None j - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #######... 1% 2 None k - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #######... 1% 3 None l - Slow Hex ########. 0% 2 None m - Shadow Creatures Summ N/A 1% 5 None n - Phase Shift Tloc #######... 2% 5 None o - Haste Chrm #######.. 6% 6 #...... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (20/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:8 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:9 Swamp (5/5) Lair:3 Spider (5/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (2/5) D:19 Crypt: Vaults:2-3 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Shops: D:14: ? D:18: = Orc:4: [%(/ Vaults:2: ? Annotations Swamp:5 Lernaean hydra Message History an orc skeleton; a +0,+0 orcish glaive; a +0 orcish plate armour You are feeling hungry. You drop a rotting chunk of human flesh. Eat one of 4 chunks of orc flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. You continue eating. Your icy armour evaporates. Things that are here: a +1,+1 orcish short sword of venom; a +0 orcish chain mail; an orc corpse Items here: % )) [[ a -1,+1 orcish long sword; a +0 orcish plate armour; a +0,+0 orcish long sword; a +0 orcish chain mail; an orc corpse Things that are here: a cursed -4,+0 orcish war axe; a +2 orcish plate armour; an orc corpse Things that are here: a +0,+0 orcish morningstar; a +0 orcish splint mail Unknown command. Things that are here: 4 large rocks; a stone giant corpse Char dumped to 'C:/Users/David/AppData/Roaming/crawl/morgue/Sevenburp.txt'. 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Vanquished Creatures Margery (Swamp:5) Arachne (Spider:5) Frederick (Spider:5) Frances (Swamp:5) Donald (Spider:5) A vault warden (Vaults:1) 3 ghost moths 2 stone giants A human zombie (Swamp:5) A deep elf annihilator (Vaults:2) 3 emperor scorpions (Spider:5) A deep elf death mage (Vaults:2) Snorg (D:14) An ettin (Vaults:2) A great orb of eyes (D:19) A dragon (D:18) A yaktaur captain (Vaults:1) The ghost of Dreamburp the Grappler, a powerful TrBe of Trog (Lair:3) A vault guard (Vaults:1) An ironheart preserver (Vaults:2) Josephine (Orc:2) A ravenous item mimic (Swamp:1) 26 hydras 3 ogre magi 7 alligators A wolf spider zombie (D:16) A deep troll shaman (Lair:8) A stone giant zombie (D:20) A fire giant zombie (Vaults:1) 4 death yaks (Lair:8) Urug (Swamp:1) A fire giant skeleton (D:18) 2 vapours 2 stone giant skeletons A sun demon (Swamp:5) A shadow wraith (D:18) 16 centaur warriors 4 hell knights (Swamp:5) 7 skeletal warriors 13 hill giants 8 harpies 9 orc knights An iron troll zombie (D:18) 16 swamp dragons Pikel (D:5) A flayed ghost (Vaults:2) A necromancer (Swamp:5) 6 unseen horrors 6 giant amoebae A wolf spider simulacrum (D:20) An orc sorcerer (Orc:2) Joseph (D:7) A sphinx simulacrum (D:19) 32 wolf spiders 6 cyclopes 3 vault sentinels An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:2) 3 griffons An iron troll skeleton (D:16) 2 spiny worms A harpy skeleton (D:17) A dragon zombie (D:16) A moth of wrath (Spider:5) A red wasp zombie (D:20) 8 red wasps An elephant slug (Lair:5) 83 slime creatures 8 elephants 2 black mambas (Lair:7) An ettin skeleton (D:20) An ice dragon skeleton (Vaults:1) A queen ant (Spider:1) 11 yaktaurs 24 spiny frogs 8 trolls 7 demonic crawlers 55 ugly things A hill giant skeleton (D:10) 8 komodo dragons Sonja (Swamp:1) A wandering mushroom (D:18) 25 two-headed ogres Prince Ribbit (D:5) A polar bear (shapeshifter) (D:17) 3 ravens 28 blink frogs 2 deep troll zombies 9 giant leeches An efreet (D:17) 4 bog bodies A grizzly bear (Lair:8) 18 jumping spiders 2 human skeletons (Swamp:5) A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 4 wyverns 9 baby alligators A jumping spider (shapeshifter) (D:20) 2 vampires 5 basilisks 7 wraiths 14 tarantellas A shark (D:19) A fire drake (Lair:7) 12 orb spiders 6 hippogriffs 2 golden eyes (shapeshifter) 55 yaks A neqoxec (Swamp:5) 3 hungry ghosts A clay golem (D:18) 17 trapdoor spiders 37 swamp worms 61 vampire mosquitoes 2 deep elf fighters A redback (shapeshifter) (D:20) A trapdoor spider (shapeshifter) (D:13) 7 soldier ants (Spider:1) A ynoxinul (Swamp:5) 2 rock worms 3 manticores 29 redbacks 2 yaktaur zombies 18 war dogs 3 boulder beetles 2 giant slug zombies 3 mottled dragons A yaktaur skeleton (D:17) A cyclops zombie (D:16) A manticore zombie (D:13) 9 gargoyles (D:18) A wyvern skeleton (D:14) 4 slaves 4 yellow wasps 6 giant goldfish A cyclops skeleton (D:8) 34 orc warriors A freezing wraith (Vaults:2) 2 boulder beetle zombies 5 phantoms A black bear (Lair:8) 43 ogres 8 sky beasts 2 yak skeletons 3 ice beasts 16 swamp drakes A yak zombie (D:14) 3 boring beetles 16 centaurs 3 wargs 15 crocodiles 8 big kobolds 2 troll skeletons (D:14) 22 water moccasins 12 giant slugs A gnoll sergeant (D:11) 5 wolves (Lair:8) 6 agate snails 14 giant frogs 41 insubstantial wisps A killer bee zombie (D:7) 17 killer bees 2 eyes of draining 14 jellyfish A vampire bat (D:5) 7 wights 22 electric eels 20 spiders 9 crimson imps 3 goliath beetles 16 big fish 2 quasits A gnoll shaman (D:6) A hound zombie (D:5) 31 orc priests 6 shadows A mottled dragon skeleton (D:8) 7 hounds 32 orc wizards A deep elf soldier (D:4) 7 scorpions 6 iguanas 8 porcupines 30 worker ants 17 sheep Ijyb (D:5) 4 jellies 3 boggarts (D:18) A mummy (D:8) 12 gnolls 26 adders 4 giant centipedes An inept feature mimic (D:6) An adder skeleton (D:8) 79 green rats 7 worms 3 giant mites 2 grey rats 2 spectral bats (D:5) 3 bat skeletons (D:5) A bat zombie (D:5) A giant eyeball (D:4) 5 oozes (D:8) 203 orcs A ball python (D:4) 3 fire bats (D:5) 8 giant cockroaches 19 goblins 8 hobgoblins 15 jackals 52 kobolds 11 quokkas 35 bats A bat simulacrum (D:5) 8 giant geckos 7 giant newts A giant spore (D:10) A goblin zombie (Orc:2) A hobgoblin zombie (D:7) A kobold skeleton (D:6) 2 kobold zombies (D:8) 3 orc zombies A quokka zombie (D:5) 15 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) 8 ballistomycetes 4 fungi 5 plants 1978 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Wiglaf (D:20) Gastronok (Lair:3) The ghost of Sir Defe the Sorcerer, a powerful DEFE of Vehumet (D:15) Erica (D:13) Harold (Orc:2) A hydra (Lair:6) 4 ogre magi 7 death yaks (Lair:8) A catoblepas (Lair:8) 2 skeletal warriors An ice devil (Swamp:5) A hell knight (Swamp:5) A harpy (Vaults:1) 4 elephants (Lair:8) A feature mimic (Lair:2) An ugly thing (Vaults:1) 4 two-headed ogres A yak (D:18) A fire drake (Lair:6) A boulder beetle (Vaults:2) 4 war dogs 3 orc warriors 4 ogres A deep elf priest (Vaults:2) 2 centaurs (D:13) An agate snail (Lair:1) 2 killer bees (D:17) An eye of draining (D:9) A worker ant (Spider:1) A deep elf soldier (Vaults:2) A porcupine (Lair:1) 2 sheep (Lair:4) 3 jellies A grey rat (Lair:3) 8 orcs A goblin (Orc:2) A hobgoblin (Orc:2) An orc skeleton (Orc:2) An orc zombie (Orc:2) 2 rats (Lair:3) 77 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An unseen horror (D:17) A harpy zombie (D:20) A wolf spider (Spider:5) A griffon (D:17) An elephant (Lair:8) 2 slime creatures (D:20) 4 spiny frogs A two-headed ogre (D:20) 2 trolls A basilisk (Lair:8) An ice dragon simulacrum (D:20) 2 hippogriffs A yak (D:15) A hungry ghost (D:15) A vampire mosquito (D:20) A trapdoor spider (Spider:5) A boulder beetle (Lair:8) A boring beetle (Lair:8) A mottled dragon (shapeshifter) (D:15) 7 ogres An orc warrior (Orc:2) 4 ice beasts A swamp drake (Swamp:5) 2 crocodiles (Lair:8) 2 giant frogs A giant slug (Lair:8) A crimson imp (D:15) An orc priest (Orc:3) 2 scorpions 4 sheep A porcupine (Lair:6) 4 orc wizards (Orc:2) 4 adders 9 green rats 14 orcs A hobgoblin (D:9) 4 jackals 2 giant spores 3 goblins 3 kobolds An orc skeleton (Orc:2) A rat (Lair:3) 2 ballistomycetes (D:14) 4 fungi 13 plants 117 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 2172 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Sevenburp, the Deep Elf Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 4/4 291 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 6/6 439 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 1379 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 7/9 1710 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 1729 | D:3 | Noticed a phantom 1761 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 2636 | D:3 | Killed a phantom 2636 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 2636 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 12/24 MP: 8/12 2636 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 14/28 MP: 9/14 2981 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Hexes 3242 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 25/32 MP: 17/17 3252 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Hexes 3315 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 3899 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4055 | D:5 | Noticed Ijyb 4089 | D:5 | Killed Ijyb 4247 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 4402 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 4704 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 15/18 5006 | D:5 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 5603 | D:5 | Killed Prince Ribbit 5603 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 5648 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 6084 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 6084 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 34/41 MP: 12/22 6320 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6679 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 7062 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 25/25 7493 | D:7 | Noticed Joseph 7523 | D:7 | Killed Joseph 7795 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7810 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 7893 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 8570 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 8610 | D:8 | Learned a level 3 spell: Ozocubu's Armour 8617 | D:8 | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility 8640 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 8796 | D:8 | Reached skill level 9 in Hexes 8796 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 50/50 MP: 29/29 9285 | D:9 | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast 9394 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 9476 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings 9697 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 10130 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation 10290 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 10533 | Lair:1 | Identified the ring of Yxuyrph {+Fly rPois rF- Int+2 Stlth++} 10637 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 10643 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting 10668 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 10672 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 10782 | Lair:1 | Identified the cursed amulet of Chaunecs {Faith Str+1 Dex-3} 11270 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting 11274 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 17/54 MP: 12/32 11334 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 11484 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting 11699 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting 11908 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 5 spell: Shadow Creatures 12269 | Lair:3 | Noticed Gastronok 12524 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting 12656 | Lair:3 | Noticed Dreamburp's ghost (powerful TrBe) 13128 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 13280 | Lair:3 | Killed Dreamburp's ghost 13280 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 16 in Spellcasting 13409 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 6 spell: Mass Confusion 13624 | Lair:4 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 13670 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms 15166 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 25/59 MP: 17/36 15326 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 15830 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 16054 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 16086 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 16099 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 16099 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 17265 | Lair:6 | Identified the +2 robe of Vemezoob {rElec} 17275 | Lair:6 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 17475 | Lair:6 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 17720 | Lair:6 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 18459 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 18630 | Lair:7 | Identified the cursed -1 pair of gloves of the Meadowlark {rF+ rN+} 18842 | Lair:7 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 18897 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 19252 | Lair:7 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 19389 | Lair:6 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [mutagenic glow] 19893 | Lair:7 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 20154 | Lair:7 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 20551 | Lair:7 | Killed a five-headed hydra 20733 | Lair:7 | Killed a five-headed hydra 20733 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 20810 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 21003 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 21276 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 66/66 MP: 24/37 21887 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 21887 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 22595 | Lair:8 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 22929 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 22933 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 22979 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 23002 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 23030 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 23053 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 23055 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 23434 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 23452 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 23464 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 23578 | Lair:8 | Noticed a catoblepas 23578 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 23578 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 23578 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 23579 | Lair:8 | Noticed a death yak 23670 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 24033 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 24813 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 25009 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 25009 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 25158 | Lair:8 | Killed a catoblepas 25180 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 25185 | Lair:8 | Killed a death yak 25221 | Lair:8 | Noticed a deep troll shaman 25386 | Lair:8 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 25437 | Lair:8 | Killed a deep troll shaman 25473 | Lair:8 | Killed a four-headed hydra 25811 | Lair:1 | Paralysed by a potion of paralysis for 4 turns 25819 | Lair:1 | Lost mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [potion of cure mutation] 25900 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 25990 | Orc:2 | Noticed Josephine 26021 | Orc:2 | Killed Josephine 26021 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Traps 26142 | Orc:2 | Noticed Harold 26429 | Orc:2 | Killed Harold 27018 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 27405 | Orc:3 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 70/74 MP: 32/38 27469 | Orc:3 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 27580 | Orc:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Traps 27827 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 27855 | Orc:3 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 27855 | Orc:3 | Noticed a stone giant 28422 | Orc:4 | Noticed an ogre mage 28662 | Orc:4 | Found Teneih's Magical Wand Emporium. 28913 | Orc:4 | Found Onaudant's Antique Weapon Boutique. 28914 | Orc:4 | Found Sysemeqa's Armour Shoppe. 28914 | Orc:4 | Found Crom's Food Boutique. 29216 | Orc:4 | Killed an ogre mage 29322 | Orc:4 | Bought a +2 orcish cloak for 157 gold pieces 29322 | Orc:4 | Bought a +3 leather armour of fire resistance for 433 gold pieces 29322 | Orc:4 | Bought a +0 orcish helmet for 30 gold pieces 30346 | Orc:1 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 31504 | Orc:3 | Killed a stone giant 31683 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 31712 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 34109 | D:12 | Reached skill level 17 in Spellcasting 34502 | D:13 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 84/84 MP: 29/39 34657 | D:13 | Noticed Erica 34784 | D:13 | Killed Erica 34853 | D:13 | Reached skill level 18 in Spellcasting 34950 | D:14 | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon 34959 | D:14 | Found Igatoj's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 35398 | D:14 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 93 gold pieces 35416 | D:14 | Noticed Snorg 36031 | D:14 | Killed Snorg 36675 | D:14 | Bought 2 scrolls of curse armour for 68 gold pieces 36675 | D:14 | Bought a scroll of identify for 34 gold pieces 36675 | D:14 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 51 gold pieces 36675 | D:14 | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 93 gold pieces 36676 | D:14 | Bought 2 scrolls of fear for 119 gold pieces 36825 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 5 spell: Phase Shift 36954 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 37207 | D:15 | Noticed Sir Defe's ghost (powerful DEFE) 37426 | D:15 | Killed Sir Defe's ghost 38022 | D:16 | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic 39220 | D:16 | Noticed a quicksilver dragon 39355 | D:17 | Reached skill level 15 in Hexes 39670 | D:17 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 91/91 MP: 36/41 39759 | D:17 | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste 40324 | D:17 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 40694 | D:18 | Found Nipyonn's Jewellery Emporium. 42986 | D:19 | Identified the cursed -4,-3 glaive of the Undead {pain, Str+3 Dex+4} 43100 | D:19 | Found a staircase to the Vaults. 43336 | D:20 | Entered Level 20 of the Dungeon 43438 | D:20 | Reached skill level 10 in Stabbing 43478 | D:20 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 100/100 MP: 35/41 43844 | D:20 | Identified the cursed +2,+4 long sword of the Spectre {drain, MR} 43968 | D:20 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 43975 | D:20 | Noticed Wiglaf 44521 | D:20 | Killed Wiglaf 44836 | D:18 | Bought an uncursed amulet of resist mutation for 560 gold pieces 44836 | D:18 | Bought a +5 ring of evasion for 770 gold pieces 45098 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 7 spell: Darkness 45181 | Lair:3 | Killed Gastronok 45378 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest 49135 | Spider:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Spider Nest 49231 | Spider:5 | Noticed Frederick 49471 | Spider:5 | Noticed Donald 49482 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth 49619 | Spider:5 | Killed Donald 49836 | Spider:5 | Noticed Arachne 49909 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 49984 | Spider:5 | Killed Arachne 49984 | Spider:5 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 107/107 MP: 5/42 50714 | Spider:5 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot 50900 | Spider:5 | Killed Frederick 51899 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Flight 51992 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 52041 | Swamp:1 | Noticed Urug 52089 | Swamp:1 | Killed Urug 52730 | Swamp:1 | Noticed Sonja 52801 | Swamp:1 | Killed Sonja 54163 | Swamp:3 | Paralysed by a red wasp for 3 turns 54828 | Swamp:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Shields 55887 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp 55890 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Frances 56481 | Swamp:5 | Killed Frances 56481 | Swamp:5 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 87/112 MP: 3/43 57038 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Margery 57196 | Swamp:5 | Killed Margery 58548 | Swamp:5 | Noticed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra 58788 | Swamp:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 58884 | Swamp:5 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 59687 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 59997 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 60023 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 61555 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 118/118 MP: 42/43 62196 | Vaults:2 | Identified the -1 scale mail of Orthodoxy {Str+3 Dex+2} 62564 | Vaults:2 | Found Atrawij's Magic Scroll Shop. 62646 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 82 gold pieces Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 171 | 168 | 276 | 332 | | | || 947 Spear | 8 | | | | | | || 8 Demon trident | | | | 1287 | 3400 | 4160 | 1640 || 10487 Fire: Blowgun | | | 4 | 1 | | | || 5 Throw: Dart | 38 | | | | | | || 38 Dagger | 44 | 1 | 3 | | | | || 48 Spear | 10 | | | | | | || 10 Throwing net | | | | | | 2 | || 2 Cast: Confuse | 13 | 3 | 41 | 202 | 346 | 192 | 128 || 925 Ensorcelled Hiber | 7 | 59 | 71 | 222 | 51 | 6 | || 416 Corona | | | 13 | 88 | 61 | 47 | 22 || 231 Apportation | | | | 18 | 8 | 7 | 2 || 35 Summon Ice Beast | | | | 7 | | | || 7 Ozocubu's Armour | | | | 38 | 70 | 39 | 22 || 169 Enslavement | | | | 3 | | | 15 || 18 Slow | | | | 122 | 216 | 149 | 61 || 548 Swiftness | | | | 17 | 46 | 2 | 4 || 69 Regeneration | | | | 17 | 8 | 2 | 6 || 33 Shadow Creatures | | | | 15 | 85 | 27 | 4 || 131 Invisibility | | | | 3 | 5 | | || 8 Repel Missiles | | | | 1 | 24 | 18 | 13 || 56 Mass Confusion | | | | | 1 | | 2 || 3 Phase Shift | | | | | 8 | 28 | 18 || 54 Haste | | | | | | 11 | 5 || 16 Flight | | | | | | 16 | 14 || 30 Invok: Scrying | | | | | 1 | | 1 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | 1 | 7 | 8 | 2 | || 18 Use: Scroll | | 7 | 4 | 23 | 30 | 11 | 7 || 82 Potion | | 2 | 1 | | 8 | | 1 || 12 Stab: Sleeping | 7 | 39 | 66 | 210 | 80 | 110 | 14 || 526 Confused | 2 | 3 | 17 | 127 | 225 | 141 | 89 || 604 Distracted | | | | 2 | 12 | 4 | 6 || 24 Paralysed | | | | 1 | | | || 1 Invisible | | | | 5 | 30 | | || 35 Petrified | | | | | 3 | | || 3 Held in net/web | | | | | | 6 | || 6 Fleeing | | | | | | 2 | 8 || 10

This is my first non-shortblades character to train hexes

new experiences ftw

Friday, 5th July 2013, 05:09 by Amnesiac

Of course sleepstabs are crap with a trident, it's confusion that must be used. I think FDA is better than OA, but you need to train armour a lot, so a leather armour(such as yours) or a MDA + ozo's is a simpler and cheaper solution. Mass Confusion is only worth using at the max power, I think or at least 100+

Friday, 5th July 2013, 06:46 by DeathKnyte

some12fat2move wrote: I'm pretty disappointed with mass confusion, seems like anytime I want to use it I can just use enslavement instead. Perhaps I just don't get it, but I'll probably tear out the page and get some necro for haunt.

Mass Confusion is good when there are 2 or more monsters you'd like to confuse - ideally when there is a pile. Enslave the ones that resist. Other trick, is to turn Invisible, make a lot of noise to draw a mob, then Mass Confuse the whole lot. Summoning type monsters can get killed by their own minions too. It's good in the Orcish Mines, Elven Halls, Vaults, Abyss, Hell, Pandemonium, and especially Ziggurats.

Saturday, 6th July 2013, 05:55 by Siegurt

Amnesiac wrote:Of course sleepstabs are crap with a trident, it's confusion that must be used. I think FDA is better than OA, but you need to train armour a lot, so a leather armour(such as yours) or a MDA + ozo's is a simpler and cheaper solution. Mass Confusion is only worth using at the max power, I think or at least 100+

Sleeping stabs always do more damage than confusion stabs, no matter what the weapon, confusion stabs can be done multiple times, so might be situationally more useful because of that.

Saturday, 6th July 2013, 09:06 by Amnesiac

Well, it's what I meant. It's just that a trident doesn't get a huge stabbing damage bonus unlike a dagger and the multiplier is twice as low, which concludes to not being able to kill a tough monster in one stab, so what's left is to confuse and do multiple pokes.

Saturday, 6th July 2013, 20:26 by Siegurt

Ah, the way I read your post it seemed to imply that you should do a confusion stab instead of a sleeping stab (rather than in addition to)

Some other ways to get multiple stabs:
Paralysis
Petrification
Distraction (i.e. use summoned critters/allies)
Invisibility
Nets

And while Trident's stabs aren't nearly as good as dagger stabs, they aren't exactly awful, they get the same bonus as long blades.

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