YASD: DgAM

Sunday, 2nd June 2013, 18:04 by Sandman25

I spent much time thinking about god for AM (Oka prohibits Enslavement, Fedhas is tricky with Inner Flame) and decided to use none with steel bolts in mind.
Yet I overestimated ability of Dg to melee at 0 skill and subsequently I am out of bolts now and have troubles killing Gnolls/Orc Priests/Orc Wizards. Please advise which weapon would be the best.
I started training some SBlades but I am not sure it is a good idea because there is no 2h short blade and I still hope to use crossbow later.

Code:: b - an uncursed orcish whip of reaching v - an uncursed elven whip of venom A - an uncursed sling B - an uncursed dwarven hand axe C - an uncursed orcish dagger of holy wrath D - a scythe I - a +3,+4 elven short sword (weapon)

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. DgAM the Vexing (Demigod Arcane Marksman) Turns: 5703, Time: 00:43:13 HP 51/52 AC 6 Str 15 XL: 7 Next: 89% MP 18/18 EV 12 Int 19 God: Gold 219 SH 0 Dex 17 Spells: 4 memorised, 2 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . I - +3,+4 elf short sword Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . k - +2 elf robe {MR} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (no helmet) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . j - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . q - +0 pair of elf gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . y - ring of poison resistance J - ring of wizardry @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: no striking features a: no special abilities You are on level 4 of the Dungeon. You are not hungry. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 5 of its levels. You have collected 169 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +0,+0 crossbow b - an uncursed orcish whip of reaching v - an uncursed elven whip of venom A - an uncursed sling B - an uncursed dwarven hand axe C - an uncursed orcish dagger of holy wrath D - a scythe I - a +3,+4 elven short sword (weapon) Missiles i - 10 darts (quivered) l - 113 stones m - 10 poisoned needles x - 2 bolts z - 7 needles of slowing E - 12 darts of flame Armour c - a +2 shield of poison resistance j - a +0 cloak (worn) k - a +2 elven robe of magic resistance (worn) q - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn) Comestibles f - 4 bread rations g - 3 meat rations o - a pear F - a chunk of iguana flesh Scrolls e - 5 scrolls of remove curse n - a scroll of identify w - a scroll of teleportation Jewellery y - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) J - a ring of wizardry (left hand) Potions p - a potion of restore abilities r - a potion of brilliance s - 3 potions of magic t - a potion of agility u - 2 potions of paralysis {!q} Books d - a book of Debilitation Spells Type Level *Corona Hexes 1 *Slow Hexes 2 Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 *Enslavement Hexes 4 *Cause Fear Hexes 4 Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 Skills: - Level 0,8 Fighting + Level 1,2 Short Blades - Level 3,7 Crossbows - Level 1,7 Dodging - Level 3,7 Spellcasting - Level 7,2 Hexes You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex #####... 1% 1 None b - Slow Hex #####.... 1% 2 ##..... c - Enslavement Hex #####.... 3% 4 ####... d - Cause Fear Hex #####..... 3% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (5/27) Temple (0/1) D:4 Message History You now have 219 gold pieces (gained 14). Things that are here: an orcish dagger; an orcish hand axe; an orcish robe Found a pink potion. There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Search for what [Enter for "axe", or ? for help]? axe You see here a chain mail. You see here a dwarven hand axe. B - a dwarven hand axe B - an uncursed dwarven hand axe (weapon) There is a stone staircase leading down here. You start resting. An iguana comes into view. I - a +3,+4 elven short sword (weapon) The iguana hisses angrily. Aiming: Slow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - iguana Aim: an iguana The iguana seems to slow down. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): i - 14 darts (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - iguana Aim: an iguana (moving slowly) You throw a dart. The dart hits the iguana. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): i - 13 darts (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - iguana Aim: an iguana (moving slowly) You throw a dart. The dart hits the iguana. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): i - 12 darts (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - iguana Aim: an iguana (moving slowly) You throw a dart. The dart hits the iguana. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): i - 11 darts (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - iguana Aim: an iguana (moving slowly) You throw a dart. The dart hits the iguana. You completely miss the iguana. The iguana bites you. Damage: -6%(-3hp) hp: 79%(41hp) You hit the iguana. The iguana is moderately wounded. You hit the iguana. The iguana is heavily wounded. The iguana is no longer moving slowly. The iguana bites you. Damage: -4%(-2hp) hp: 75%(39hp) You closely miss the iguana. The iguana is heavily wounded. The iguana bites you! Huge Dmg: -15%(-8hp) hp: 60%(31hp) You hit the iguana. The iguana is almost dead. The iguana bites you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Huge Dmg: -15%(-8hp) hp: 45%(23hp) Aiming: Enslavement Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - iguana Aim: an iguana (almost dead) The iguana is charmed. There is a stone staircase leading down here. What do you say? t - Shout! Orders for allies: a - Attack new target. p - Attack previous target. r - Retreat! s - Stop attacking. w - Wait here. f - Follow me. Anything else - Stay silent. Wait here! What do you say? t - Shout! Orders for allies: a - Attack new target. p - Attack previous target. r - Retreat! s - Stop attacking. w - Wait here. f - Follow me. Anything else - Stay silent. Follow me! Really attack your iguana? You hit your iguana but do no damage. The iguana is no longer charmed. The iguana is almost dead. The iguana barely misses you. You hit the iguana but do no damage. The iguana is almost dead. The iguana bites you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Huge Dmg: -23%(-12hp) hp: 27%(14hp) You hit the iguana. You kill the iguana! You see here an iguana corpse. You finish chopping the iguana corpse into pieces. F - a chunk of iguana flesh Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Magic restored. There is a stone staircase leading down here. You start resting. You start resting. y - an emerald ring (right hand) {tried} Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Identify which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust. y - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) Saving game... please wait. #.# #...# #.# #.########.... #.# #...# #.# #.# #.... #.# #...# #.###########.# #...# #.# #...# #.............########...# #.# #...# #...####.................# #.# #...# #...# #.................# #.# #...# #...# #...........)...... #.#####...# #...# #.................. #.........########...# #.............##### #....................####.............#.... #.....................................#.... #........................###########..#.... #.######............@..(.#.........#..#.... #.# #...........[.....#.........'..#.... #.# #.................#.........#..##### #.# #......#########..#.........#....... #.# #......# #..###########....... #.# #......# #.....88888....[..... #.######......# #.....8...8.......... #.............# #.......>.8.......... #........####.# #.....8...8.......... #......).# #.# #.....88888.......... #........# #.# #.................... #........# #.# #..........#########. There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Grinder (D:5) Prince Ribbit (D:5) 2 ogres (D:4) Sigmund (D:4) 2 orc priests A gnoll shaman (D:5) 4 orc wizards An iguana (D:4) 2 gnolls (D:5) 9 adders A giant mite (D:4) A worm (D:2) A giant eyeball (D:4) 3 giant geckos 11 orcs A ball python (D:3) 10 bats 5 giant cockroaches 9 hobgoblins 16 jackals 16 kobolds 4 giant newts 11 goblins A quokka (D:4) 11 rats 125 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A kobold (D:4) 1 creature vanquished. Grand Total: 126 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | DgAM, the Demigod Arcane Marksman, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 3/3 221 | D:1 | Huge Dmg: 3 dmg 223 | D:1 | Huge Dmg: 3 dmg 223 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 8/23 MP: 4/4 562 | D:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Crossbows 917 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 965 | D:2 | Huge Dmg: 5 dmg 967 | D:2 | Huge Dmg: 3 dmg 968 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 12/28 MP: 7/7 1513 | D:2 | Huge Dmg: 4 dmg 1897 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/35 MP: 9/9 2298 | D:3 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 2611 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 2612 | D:3 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 2614 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 2878 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Hexes 2907 | D:3 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 3044 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 37/40 MP: 11/11 3276 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 3396 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 3522 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3525 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3525 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 3533 | D:4 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 3558 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 3594 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 23/47 MP: 13/13 3780 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3791 | D:4 | Noticed Sigmund 3797 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 3798 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 3800 | D:4 | Killed Sigmund 3800 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 4043 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 4052 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 4313 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 4361 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 4370 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 4413 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4415 | D:5 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 4424 | D:5 | Killed Prince Ribbit 4424 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 52/52 MP: 15/18 4441 | D:5 | Noticed Grinder 4457 | D:5 | Paralysed by Grinder for 5 turns 4478 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 4480 | D:5 | Killed Grinder 4480 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Hexes 4508 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 4510 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 4911 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Cause Fear 5043 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 9 dmg 5050 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 5385 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 5391 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 5466 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 5467 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 8 dmg 5485 | D:4 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 16 | | || 16 Dagger | 77 | 5 | 3 || 85 Short sword | 24 | 59 | 35 || 118 Whip | | 86 | 38 || 124 Fire: Crossbow | 66 | 74 | 7 || 147 Throw: Dart | 2 | 12 | 8 || 22 Dagger | 1 | | || 1 Cast: Corona | 2 | 18 | 2 || 22 Slow | | 1 | 8 || 9 Enslavement | | | 4 || 4 Cause Fear | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | | 10 | 2 || 12 Potion | | | 2 || 2 Stab: Distracted | 1 | | || 1 Sleeping | | 4 | || 4

3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon

Sunday, 2nd June 2013, 18:32 by Magipi

Why short blades? You have a whip of venom, why not maces?

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 05:54 by Sandman25

Magipi wrote:Why short blades? You have a whip of venom, why not maces?

As crossbow user I was going to use a 2-handed weapon but the best 2-handed maces cannot be used by Dg

Maybe I will switch to Slings if I find many steel bullets.

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 06:18 by rchandra

The best 2-handed maces for normal races are better than the best 2-handed axes / polearms / long blades on many characters. This is because:
a) they exist, even branded, without worshipping Trog or (ha!) Okawaru or waiting until v:5 or d:22.
b) 20 skill is a lot less than 24/26

Great Maces are great, spread the word. If somebody commits the 'quicker blade' that has 13 base damage, 0.4 base delay and can only be used by small races, that shouldn't affect your decisions to use sblades or not on other characters. Similarly Ogres clubs shouldn't stop you from using M&F.

M&F also crosstrains to Staves if you find a lajatang you want to use before you have 20 Maces skill, and lajatang is probably the best melee weapon for a Dg who uses crossbows mostly.

I should also add that weapons you have now should usually influence you a lot more than weapons you want later.

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 06:24 by Sandman25

rchandra wrote:The best 2-handed maces for normal races are better than the best 2-handed axes / polearms / long blades on many characters. This is because:
a) they exist, even branded, without worshipping Trog or (ha!) Okawaru or waiting until v:5 or d:22.
b) 20 skill is a lot less than 24/26

Great Maces are great, spread the word. If somebody commits the 'quicker blade' that has 13 base damage, 0.4 base delay and can only be used by small races, that shouldn't affect your decisions to use sblades or not on other characters. Similarly Ogres clubs shouldn't stop you from using M&F.

M&F also crosstrains to Staves if you find a lajatang you want to use before you have 20 Maces skill, and lajatang is probably the best melee weapon for a Dg who uses crossbows mostly.

I will train Maces then. I was afraid I would not find a Great Mace (I am not sure where I can find chances for a weapon) but at least I have a reaching whip.

I should also add that weapons you have now should usually influence you a lot more than weapons you want later.

Yes, this is why I started training short blades. It is not often when you find a +3,+4 short sword lying on the ground.

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 07:38 by pubby

Yet I overestimated ability of Dg to melee at 0 skill

You are underestimating the huge benefit corona gives. Choose a powerful weapon that has terrible accuracy. Short blades and whips are the exact opposite of this. Good choices include halberds, scimitars, and morningstars. You can avoid training weapon skill entirely and just go fighting.

Here's something to show how much I used corona, which for the first 16 levels is pretty much the number of enemies I killed using untrained melee weapons:

Code:: Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total Corona | 38 | 53 | 79 | 144 | 103 | 73 | 32 | 9 | 17 || 548

Of course, this is assuming you had bolts left. You're probably screwed at this point.

Oka prohibits Enslavement

This is not true. You lose some piety, but it is a minuscule amount so long as you don't use your slaves as death fodder.

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 07:56 by Sandman25

I try to use Corona as often as I can but I forget about it even vs invisible monsters

I started the character to get some fun so I was going to use Enslavement heavily.

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 08:28 by crate

The big thing about corona is it means you miss with fewer shots early on, so you lose fewer bolts. It is very important to use it a lot early on.

If you aren't going to worship oka or trog (obviously Dg cannot) you also have to be adaptable if you happen to get unlucky with ammo.

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 08:35 by Sandman25

Yes, I didn't play well, underestimated corona usefullness

Edit. I got Great Mace from Blork the Orc so I will be training M&F for a long time.

Edit2.

Died to a Wight. 2 Wights were killed by Enslavement and this one was lightly wounded when I started fighting it so I expected an easy win. I should start reading messages when fighting if I want to win

Great Mace could kill it.

The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight closely misses you.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight barely misses you.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight barely misses you.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight stops glowing.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight hits you but does no damage.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight closely misses you.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight barely misses you.
You barely miss the wight.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight barely misses you.
You hit the wight.
The wight is almost destroyed.
You closely miss the wight.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight hits you with a war axe of freezing!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The wight freezes you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Huge Dmg: -17%(-10hp) hp: 31%(18hp)
You closely miss the wight.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight hits you but does no damage.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
Casting: Corona
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Corona
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - wight
Aim: a wight, wielding a war axe of freezing, wearing a glowing robe and wearing an encrusted granite ring (almost destroyed)
The wight is outlined in light.
The wight hits you with a war axe of freezing.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The wight freezes you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Huge Dmg: -16%(-9hp) hp: 17%(10hp)
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is almost destroyed.
The wight hits you with a war axe of freezing!
You die...

Monday, 3rd June 2013, 12:45 by Sandman25

It's by far the funniest background.

The goblin seems to slow down.
You shoot a bolt. The bolt hits the goblin.
The goblin explodes!
The fiery explosion engulfs the hobgoblin.
You kill the hobgoblin!
Aiming: Inner Flame
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - jackal
Aim: a jackal
The jackal is filled with an inner flame.
Firing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): c - 14 bolts (quivered)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - jackal
Aim: a jackal (inner flame)
You shoot a bolt. The bolt hits the jackal.
The jackal explodes!
The fiery explosion engulfs the hobgoblin.
You kill the hobgoblin!
You have reached level 4!
You feel stronger.
Aiming: Inner Flame
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - jackal
Aim: a jackal
The jackal is filled with an inner flame.
Firing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): c - 13 bolts (quivered)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - jackal
Aim: a jackal (inner flame)
You shoot a bolt. The bolt hits the jackal.
The jackal explodes!
The fiery explosion engulfs the jackal.
You kill the jackal!

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