DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?


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Mines Malingerer

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Joined: Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 22:31

Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 16:33

DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

My last CJ died in Orc:4 because it was a glass cannon with no defense. This time I found a book of the warp on lvl 2. Below is my character dump, please advise me on what to max next, et. cetera. I just cleared lair to 8 and Orc to 4. I want to do the sub dungeons in lair next, is that a bad idea? I also found the entrance to hell on Lair:8, is that something I should go in? Thanks.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3 (tiles) character file.

Sorted the Blinker (Deep Elf Conjurer)             Turns: 41181, Time: 03:34:52

HP  81/81        AC 10     Str  5      XL: 14   Next: 75%
MP  46/46        EV 18     Int 28      God: Vehumet [*****.]
Gold 1393        SH  0     Dex 15      Spells: 12 memorised,  1 level left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   o - staff of death
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   S - +0 robe {Archmagi}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   q - +3 helmet of the Five Ships {Int+2 Dam+4}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   i - +2 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   s - +0 pair of boots
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   H - amulet of the gourmand
Gourmand  : +       Flight     : .   E - ring of magical power
                                     D - ring of Sioraewnu {rPois Acc+4 SInv}

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion


You are on level 11 of the Dungeon.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is extremely pleased with you.
You are very full.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels.

You have collected 1941 gold pieces.
You have spent 568 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Armour
 i - a +2 pair of gauntlets (worn)
 q - the +3 helmet of the Five Ships (worn) {Int+2 Dam+4}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+4).
 s - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 S - a +0 robe of the Archmagi (worn)
Magical devices
 I - a sharpened glass wand
Scrolls
 b - a scroll labeled KLIUQIMIDU
 e - 12 scrolls of remove curse
 g - 6 scrolls labeled BOLALORESM
 l - a scroll labeled ZOYFORCH MYIDEO {tried on cursed scintillating turquoise ring}
 m - 2 scrolls of fog
 t - a scroll labeled OMUUPN ZYLUCO
 u - a scroll of magic mapping
 w - a scroll of holy word
 x - a scroll labeled PNUASU PISOSUGG
 y - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 A - a scroll labeled PHUBLAVOEK
 F - 2 scrolls of fear
 P - a scroll labeled ETROUP THEMOE
Jewellery
 v - a tubular pearl ring
 D - the ring of Sioraewnu (left hand) {rPois Acc+4 SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   It affects your accuracy (+4).
   It protects you from poison.
 E - a ring of magical power (right hand)
 H - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 N - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
Potions
 a - a potion of magic
 d - 18 potions of curing
 h - 2 potions of flight
 z - a potion of invisibility
 C - a potion of speed
 O - 4 potions of heal wounds
Books
 J - a book of Unlife   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Recall                             Summoning/Translocation      3
   *Animate Dead                      Necromancy                   4
   Control Undead                     Necromancy                   4
   Twisted Resurrection               Necromancy                   5
   Death Channel                      Necromancy                   6
   Simulacrum                         Ice/Necromancy               6
Magical staves
 o - an uncursed staff of death (weapon)
Miscellaneous
 r - a plain deck of cards


   Skills:
 - Level 10.0 Fighting
 - Level 10.0 Dodging
 - Level 10.0 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Traps
 + Level 15.0 Spellcasting
 * Level 14.1 Conjurations
 - Level 3.1 Hexes
 - Level 3.1 Charms
 - Level 3.1 Necromancy
 - Level 16.0 Translocations


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####        0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
c - Dazzling Spray        Conj/Hex       ########.    1%          3    None
d - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           #########    1%          4    None
e - Iskenderun's Battles  Conj/Chrm      ########.    1%          4    None
f - Confuse               Hex            #######..    1%          3    None
g - Call Imp              Summ           #####.....   4%          2    None
h - Fulminant Prism       Conj/Hex       ########.    1%          5    None
i - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          2    None
j - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          10%         4    None
o - Phase Shift           Tloc           #########.   1%          5    None
u - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          3%          7    #####..


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:10
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (0/5) Lair:6
 Spider (0/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:8     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:5: [  D:8: =  Orc:3: *  Orc:4: !(!(

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8

Message History

a book of Conjurations; a book of Hinderance; a book of Minor Magic; a book of the Warp
You swap places.
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (O) Orcish Mines   (E) Elven Halls   
(L) Lair           (A) Shoals         (N) Spider Nest    (M) Slime Pits     
(U) Hell           
Where to? (Enter - Lair:1, ? - help)
What level of the Dungeon? (default 10, ? - help)
You climb upwards. Welcome back to the Dungeon!
There is a staircase to the Lair here.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
Your battlesphere wavers and loses cohesion.
There is an open door here.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Welcome back, Sorted the Deep Elf Conjurer.
Vehumet says: Let it end in hellfire!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.

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Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |       |       |     2 |     2 |       ||     4
       Staff             |       |       |       |     1 |     5 ||     6
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    77 |   159 |    95 |   163 |    55 ||   549
       Dazzling Spray    |     1 |    40 |   264 |   204 |    79 ||   588
       Iskenderun's Batt |       |       |    12 |   167 |   147 ||   326
       Iskenderun's Myst |       |       |    12 |   315 |   396 ||   723
       Phase Shift       |       |       |       |     2 |    15 ||    17
       Controlled Blink  |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Confuse           |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Fulminant Prism   |       |       |       |       |    25 ||    25
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Animate Dead      |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Evoke: Wand              |       |     1 |     2 |     2 |       ||     5
  Use: Potion            |       |     3 |     4 |     6 |     1 ||    14
       Scroll            |       |     3 |     4 |    13 |     2 ||    22
Last edited by Sorted on Thursday, 18th April 2013, 13:45, edited 1 time in total.

Unarmed Combat 27.0

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Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 17:03

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Already have an Archmagi robe? Nice.

Anyway, you wasted skill points on stealth, IMO. These kinds of casters are so noisy, that stealth really isn't worth anything. It's good that you've gotten CBlink castable so soon, but you should try to learn a level 6 conjuration when you can. Bolt of Fire, Bolt o Ice, Iron Shot, Poison Arrow, etc. Once you learn one of those, it will carry you pretty far and you can focus on that particular school of magic.

As for where you should go, it wouldn't be a bad idea to go into Spider's Nest or Shoals, but keep in mind that you shouldn't go all the way down. You should leave the 5th floor of each of those branches for waaaaayyy later in the game. I would advise you go down a bit in the main dungeon before you head into those branches at all though. Maybe clear down to D:15-16 or something. Hopefully you'll find a book there that can give you a level 6 spell.

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Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 17:29

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

IMO a terrible idea to explore Shoals and Spider's early levels, which are terrifying through hindered movement/ranged monsters and confusion/very fast monsters/nets respectively, before doing D to Vaults. Shoals and Snake I could understand for this type of character, but Spider and Shoals are just really bad. Vaults are kind of dangerous these days too, but it's hard to argue that D:12 is harder than the Lair branches. I guess you could do Shoals 1-4 quite safely after D to Vaults, though I would still probably go for early Vaults -> Crypt, personally.
With regard to Hell: if you enjoy losing all your HP in two hits from a reaper while being unable to move because you're being swarmed by dozens of hell beasts which trample you off stairs and by the way are also capable of threeshotting you, while being smitten by Balrugs and fighting a 300 HP demon, knock yourself out.

Cocytus Succeeder

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Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 18:58

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

I don't understand this compulsion among new players to always rush into every branch they see. Lair is the only branch you 'need' to go into as soon as you see. Every other branch can be ignored until you're at D:20, then you can continue ignoring them all after doing a bit of Vaults and hitting Crypt. Once you've seen D:27 you can then grab the 3 runes. Doing Orc:1~3 right after Lair is acceptable though it'll only be for gold and some equipment (not relevant for this character). While Vaults has more 'powerful' enemies at face value, all the Lair sub-branches excluding Snake have terrain that give you headaches, making the 'weaker' (some of them aren't) monsters there a bigger threat.

Spider Stomper

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Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 21:41

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

I think the general compulsion to do everything as soon as it is revealed to you is because that's how many games function (particularly non-roguelikes) and so that impression can just carry over.

Vestibule Violator

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Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 22:12

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Also seeing new things is fun.

Mines Malingerer

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Joined: Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 22:31

Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 22:29

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

OK, so I get to lvl 18, walk into view of "an orange crystal statue," it confuses me and I sit there in a confused state while some blink frogs and an ogre kill me. I took off my amulet of the gourmand and put on my amulet of clarity, but it either didn't kick in in time, or doesn't help in this situation. Is this simply one of those BS moments where you are destined to fail, or did I do something wrong?

This is the furthest I have ever gotten a character. Any advice for next time will help, I am quite heartbroken right now....

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3 (tiles) character file.

134864 Sorted the Eclecticist (level 16, -3/92 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Conjurer on Apr 14, 2013.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Slain by a two-headed ogre (shapeshifter) (5 damage)
             ... on Level 18 of the Dungeon on Apr 15, 2013.
             The game lasted 04:57:44 (56512 turns).

Sorted the Eclecticist (Deep Elf Conjurer)         Turns: 56512, Time: 04:57:44

HP  -3/92        AC 10     Str  6      XL: 16   Next: 76%
MP  10/50        EV 19     Int 21 (29) God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 2082        SH  0     Dex 15      Spells: 13 memorised,  7 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   o - staff of death
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   S - +0 robe {Archmagi}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   f - +0 buckler
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   q - +3 helmet of the Five Ships {Int+2 Dam+4}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : +   (no cloak)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   i - +2 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   g - +0 pair of elf boots
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   B - amulet of clarity
Saprovore : . . .   Flight     : .   E - ring of magical power
                                     D - ring of Sioraewnu {rPois Acc+4 SInv}

@: confused, mildly poisoned, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly
stealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion


You were on level 18 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Vehumet.
Vehumet was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 31 of its levels.

You collected 2630 gold pieces.
You spent 568 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Armour
 f - a +0 buckler (worn)
 g - a +0 pair of elven boots (worn)
 i - a +2 pair of gauntlets (worn)
 q - the +3 helmet of the Five Ships (worn) {Int+2 Dam+4}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+4).
 S - a +0 robe of the Archmagi (worn)
Magical devices
 k - a wand of draining (9)
 n - a wand of confusion (14) {unknown}
 u - a wand of digging (18) {unknown}
 x - a wand of draining (7)
 A - a wand of magic darts (14)
Scrolls
 a - a scroll of blinking
 b - a scroll of enchant weapon I
 c - 6 scrolls of identify
 e - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 l - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 m - 3 scrolls of fog
 w - a scroll of holy word
 y - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 C - a scroll of silence {unknown}
 F - 2 scrolls of fear
 I - a scroll of recharging
Jewellery
 h - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities {unknown}
 j - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 v - an uncursed ring of flight
 B - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
 D - the ring of Sioraewnu (left hand) {rPois Acc+4 SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   It affects your accuracy (+4).
   It protects you from poison.
 E - a ring of magical power (right hand)
 H - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 N - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
Potions
 d - 19 potions of curing
 p - a potion of agility
 r - a potion of speed
 s - a potion of resistance
 t - a potion of restore abilities
 z - 2 potions of invisibility
 G - a potion of might {unknown}
 O - 5 potions of heal wounds
Books
 J - a book of Spatial Translocations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Apportation                        Translocation                1
   Portal Projectile                  Translocation                2
   *Blink                             Translocation                2
   Shroud of Golubria                 Charms/Translocation         2
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Passage of Golubria                Translocation                4
Magical staves
 o - an uncursed staff of death (weapon)


   Skills:
 - Level 10.0 Fighting
 + Level 10.7 Dodging
 - Level 10.0 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 5.0 Traps
 + Level 20.8 Spellcasting
 - Level 16.1 Conjurations
 - Level 3.1 Hexes
 - Level 3.1 Charms
 - Level 3.1 Necromancy
 - Level 16.0 Translocations


You had 7 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####        0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
c - Dazzling Spray        Conj/Hex       ########.    1%          3    None
d - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           ########.    1%          4    None
e - Iskenderun's Battles  Conj/Chrm      ########.    1%          4    None
f - Confuse               Hex            #######..    1%          3    None
g - Call Imp              Summ           #####.....   3%          2    None
h - Fulminant Prism       Conj/Hex       ########.    1%          5    None
i - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          2    None
j - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          8%          4    None
k - Orb of Destruction    Conj           ########..   1%          7    #####..
o - Phase Shift           Tloc           ########..   1%          5    None
u - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          2%          7    #####..


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (18/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:10
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (0/5) Lair:6
 Spider (0/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:8     
Vaults: D:15-20     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:5: [  D:8: =  D:11: [  D:14: %  Orc:3: *  Orc:4: !(!(

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8

Annotations
D:18 exclusion: orange crystal statue

Message History

You are more confused.
The blink frog barely misses you. The spiny worm stings you! You are splashed with acid! The acid burns!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You remove your amulet of the gourmand. The blink frog hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The blink frog blinks!
B - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel sick.
You feel a little better.
The blink frog blinks! The spiny worm misses you.
You're too confused to cast spells.
Are you sure you want to move while confused and next to your battlesphere?
Ouch! The spiny worm stings you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You are more poisoned.
You are splashed with acid! The acid burns!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The two-headed ogre closely misses you. The two-headed ogre hits you.
You die...

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       #.(..#.###.#.*@FF......
       #....+.....####w.......
    ####.....................
    +.....#.#.#.#...?........
    #...#.........#####.#####
#####....#.#.#.#.#.    ..
....................   ###
........#.#.#.#.#.#.#
 .....#.............#   ####
 ......#.#.#.#.#.#.#.   #..
 .....+......(......#####.##.#  ###.# .#
  ....#.#.#.#.#.#.#......<...####......#
   #+#...................###.........#.#


You could see an orange crystal statue, a spiny worm, 5 blink frogs and a
two-headed ogre.


56512 | D:18     | Slain by a two-headed ogre (shapeshifter)


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |       |       |     2 |     2 |       |       ||     4
       Staff             |       |       |       |     1 |     9 |     2 ||    12
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    77 |   159 |    95 |   163 |    69 |     2 ||   565
       Dazzling Spray    |     1 |    40 |   264 |   204 |   143 |    35 ||   687
       Iskenderun's Batt |       |       |    12 |   167 |   244 |    56 ||   479
       Iskenderun's Myst |       |       |    12 |   315 |   739 |   139 ||  1205
       Phase Shift       |       |       |       |     2 |    46 |    37 ||    85
       Controlled Blink  |       |       |       |     2 |     1 |     9 ||    12
       Confuse           |       |       |       |     1 |       |     1 ||     2
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |     1 |    36 |    34 ||    71
       Fulminant Prism   |       |       |       |       |    33 |    15 ||    48
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
       Animate Dead      |       |       |       |       |     3 |     1 ||     4
       Call Imp          |       |       |       |       |     1 |    71 ||    72
       Orb of Destructio |       |       |       |       |    10 |    12 ||    22
Evoke: Wand              |       |     1 |     2 |     2 |     2 |       ||     7
  Use: Potion            |       |     3 |     4 |     6 |     1 |     3 ||    17
       Scroll            |       |     3 |     4 |    13 |    10 |     1 ||    31

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Post Monday, 15th April 2013, 22:32

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Potions of curing will cure confusion. Amulets of clarity will not.
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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 03:25

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Amulets of clarity _prevent_ confusion, but you need to quaff curing to get rid of the already-exiting confusion.
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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 06:18

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Psieye wrote:I don't understand this compulsion among new players to always rush into every branch they see. Lair is the only branch you 'need' to go into as soon as you see. Every other branch can be ignored until you're at D:20, then you can continue ignoring them all after doing a bit of Vaults and hitting Crypt. Once you've seen D:27 you can then grab the 3 runes. Doing Orc:1~3 right after Lair is acceptable though it'll only be for gold and some equipment (not relevant for this character). While Vaults has more 'powerful' enemies at face value, all the Lair sub-branches excluding Snake have terrain that give you headaches, making the 'weaker' (some of them aren't) monsters there a bigger threat.


Well, I think every new player will die at least once at last floor of Lair sub-branches unless they use spoilers. The best way to avoid it would be moving those branches to D20-27.

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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 07:04

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Sorted wrote:This is the furthest I have ever gotten a character. Any advice for next time will help, I am quite heartbroken right now....
You'll get over it. If you can do it once, you can do it again much easier next time because you have familiarity now. You're going to be heartbroken another 5 or so times before you win, it's part of the learning experience.

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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 15:05

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Your right, I started again last night and am getting close to where I was when I died. I finished Lair and went to bed. Either I am getting better or the new Conjurer is way better because I have literally only played three conjurer chars since I installed v .12. One died Orc:4 as a glass cannon with no way to evade. The second one died confused by a statue while getting pummeled by blink frogs and an ogre because I didn't know I could cure confusion, and the third one I am currently playing.

Does anyone think the conjurer is overpowered? Not that I have alot of experience playing anything else. It seems like once I get get dazzling spray online then I am not in much danger of dying for a long time. The little time bomb spell is awesome too. I kind of thought it was useless at first, but now that I have thought up some strategies for it it is a vital part of my arsenal.

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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 15:12

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

It is a strong and fun start, but that doesn't translate to overpowered. There is also little meaning to 'overpowered' in crawl either as different starting kits are intentionally easier than others.

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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 15:12

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Yeah, I think new Cj is extremely strong - which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because that way new players have an easy route to successful spellcasting characters - IMB in a starting book was something I never expected to happen, and the battlesphere, last time I tried it, was absolutely crazy as a L4 spell. It felt much better than any other of the L4 conjurations, except maybe Sticky Flame (probably it's actually better than even Sticky Flame). Plus, unlike FE, you don't have a problem with monsters that resist fire.

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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 15:32

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Well, we'll have an entire version to play around with it before it gets nerfed.

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Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 23:01

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Here is my 3rd attempt at a DECJ. Quick question I have is about my cloak. Does the -3 damage affect spells or just physical attacks? Thanks. Any advice is welcome. I didn't add any to stealth this run because your right, I am always in a noisy battle.

  Code:
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3 (tiles) character file.

Sorted the Eclecticist (Deep Elf Conjurer)         Turns: 58938, Time: 04:27:23

HP  98/98        AC 17     Str  7      XL: 17   Next: 28%
MP  40/42        EV 19     Int 29      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 2343        SH 13     Dex 18      Spells: 13 memorised,  2 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   c - staff of conjuration
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : .   C - +2 mottled dragon armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   N - +1 buckler
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   J - +2 horned helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   u - +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stl
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   y - +0 pair of elf gloves
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (no boots)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: +   h - amulet of the gourmand
Gourmand  : +       Flight     : .   n - ring of Bucuph {rC++ MR Dex+3}
                                     l - ring of teleport control

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Fog


You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 37 of its levels.

You have collected 2853 gold pieces.
You have spent 530 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Armour
 m - a +1 dwarven cloak
 u - the +2 cloak of the Thief (worn) {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stlth++}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (-3).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It can be evoked to emit clouds of fog.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 y - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn)
 C - a +2 mottled dragon armour (worn)
 J - a +2 horned helmet of intelligence (worn)
 N - a +1 buckler (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of disintegration (15)
 d - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2}
 k - a wand of digging {zapped: 1}
 H - a wand of hasting (2)
Comestibles
 b - 2 meat rations
Scrolls
 g - a scroll of enchant weapon I
 i - 8 scrolls of remove curse
 j - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 q - 8 scrolls of identify
 t - 5 scrolls of fear
 v - a scroll of vulnerability
 A - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 D - a scroll of enchant weapon III
 F - 2 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 h - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 l - a ring of teleport control (left hand)
 n - the ring of Bucuph (right hand) {rC++ MR Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 p - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 B - an uncursed ring of regeneration
 E - an uncursed ring of magical power
Potions
 f - 3 potions of restore abilities
 o - a potion of speed
 r - 18 potions of curing
 s - 8 potions of heal wounds
 x - a potion of might
 P - a potion of magic
Magical staves
 c - an uncursed staff of conjuration (weapon)
Miscellaneous
 w - a plain deck of cards


   Skills:
 - Level 10.5 Fighting
 - Level 5.6 Armour
 - Level 10.0 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 5.1 Traps
 - Level 19.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 17.5 Conjurations
 - Level 8.7 Hexes
 - Level 9.6 Charms
 - Level 10.0 Translocations
 * Level 13.6 Fire Magic


You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####        0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
c - Dazzling Spray        Conj/Hex       #########    1%          3    None
d - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           #########    0%          4    None
e - Iskenderun's Battles  Conj/Chrm      #########    1%          4    None
f - Fulminant Prism       Conj/Hex       #########    1%          5    None
g - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      #########.   1%          6    None
h - Orb of Destruction    Conj           #########.   1%          7    ####...
i - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          2    None
j - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      #########.   75%         9    #######
o - Phase Shift           Tloc           #######...   1%          5    None
p - Flight                Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          3    None
u - Apportation           Tloc           #######...   1%          1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (16/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:9          Shoals (2/5) Lair:4
  Snake (4/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6       Vaults (2/5) D:15
 Crypt: Vaults:2-3 

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:7: /  D:8: !  Orc:4: ([*+

Message History

Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - orc
Aim: an orc, wielding an orcish hammer and wearing an orcish chain mail
You feel a surge of power! The orb of energy hits the orc.
You kill the orc!
Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning. The orb of energy explodes!
Your battlesphere fires!
Casting: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - orc
Aim: an orc
You feel a surge of power! The orb of energy hits the orc.
You kill the orc!
Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning.
Your battlesphere fires!
You swap places.

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                            #.......##...
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                      ###    ##..).......
                     ##.##    ##)........
                     #...#     #..###....
                     ##.####   #..# #....
            .        ##.##.#   #..# #....
            ...###  ##.....#   #..# #....
            ....#.###......#   #..# #....
           ........#*#.....#   #..# #....
           ........@......##   #..###....
        .................## ####.........
       ....)..........####  #............
      .....)........###     #......).....
     %.......).......#      #.....###....
    ..........#.....##      #.....# #..[%
   ..........####...##      ####### #%[))
  ............#......#              #..).
  ..................#####           #.[[)
  ..............#...###.##########  ###..
#˜.................[.#...........## #...)
#˜..................##......##....#.##...
#˜.......#..................##...........


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Norris (Snake:2)
  An acid blob (Lair:8)
  Donald (D:15)
  A vault warden (Vaults:1)
  An orc warlord (Orc:4)
  Snorg (Snake:2)
  A yaktaur captain (Vaults:1)
  7 hydras
  An ironheart preserver (Vaults:1)
  Harold (Orc:3)
  Josephine (D:13)
  An ogre mage (Vaults:1)
  An ice dragon (Vaults:1)
  A deep troll earth mage (Vaults:1)
  15 death yaks
  4 orc high priests (Orc:4)
  A fire giant skeleton (Vaults:1)
  3 deep trolls (Vaults:1)
  A sun demon (Orc:4)
  A frost giant skeleton (Vaults:1)
  6 centaur warriors
  4 unseen horrors
  A skeletal warrior (D:12)
  A sea snake (Shoals:1)
  3 catoblepae (Lair:8)
  2 naga warriors
  4 harpies (Shoals:2)
  An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:1)
  4 orc knights
  Pikel (D:8)
  4 orc sorcerers
  A hydra zombie (D:13)
  Joseph (D:11)
  A lindwurm (Lair:7)
  3 griffons
  A harpy (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  A necromancer (Vaults:1)
  A hydra skeleton (D:14)
  5 hill giants
  A trapdoor spider zombie (D:12)
  3 cyclopes
  10 black mambas
  2 elephant slugs (Lair:5)
  2 yaktaurs (Vaults:1)
  16 elephants
  A griffon skeleton (D:13)
  5 naga magi
  20 slime creatures
  A dragon skeleton (D:13)
  Psyche (Orc:1)
  A queen ant (Lair:1)
  13 spiny frogs
  A hill giant skeleton (D:5)
  10 komodo dragons
  34 ugly things
  A mermaid (Shoals:1)
  2 snapping turtles
  5 polar bears (D:13)
  2 two-headed ogres
  9 trolls
  6 blink frogs
  2 grizzly bears (D:13)
  4 basilisks
  A wyvern (D:13)
  A blue devil (Orc:4)
  A wraith (D:13)
  77 yaks
  Eustachio (D:10)
  A shark (Shoals:2)
  12 hippogriffs
  A hog (D:13)
  Grum (Orc:3)
  A hill giant simulacrum (D:15)
  A vampire mosquito (Vaults:1)
  A fire drake (Lair:3)
  14 merfolk
  19 war dogs
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  A rock worm (D:15)
  7 soldier ants
  A yaktaur zombie (D:12)
  A boulder beetle (Vaults:1)
  2 necrophages
  A cyclops zombie (D:13)
  2 yaktaur skeletons (Vaults:1)
  3 mottled dragons
  A manticore skeleton (D:14)
  5 manticores
  4 cyclops skeletons
  A black bear (D:13)
  39 orc warriors
  3 ice beasts
  3 phantoms
  17 ogres
  A red devil (Orc:4)
  6 sky beasts
  A troll zombie (D:10)
  2 boring beetles
  A yellow wasp (D:11)
  41 nagas
  4 troll skeletons
  3 slaves
  A yak zombie (D:8)
  12 centaurs
  A big kobold (D:12)
  A giant frog zombie (D:12)
  12 crocodiles
  16 giant frogs
  2 wolves
  A yaktaur simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  31 water moccasins
  3 wargs
  A rotting devil (Orc:4)
  9 agate snails
  2 giant frog skeletons
  A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:7)
  A basilisk skeleton (D:15)
  22 wights
  An eye of draining (D:15)
  13 electric eels (Lair:4)
  17 killer bees
  2 jellyfish (D:13)
  2 ogre zombies
  5 goliath beetles
  A quasit (D:11)
  11 crimson imps
  14 hounds
  27 orc priests
  9 shadows
  An ogre skeleton (D:5)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:5)
  18 big fish
  A mottled dragon skeleton (D:13)
  An orange rat (D:9)
  2 scorpions
  5 iguanas
  37 orc wizards
  12 porcupines
  43 worker ants
  24 sheep
  Jessica (D:2)
  8 jellies
  13 green rats
  49 adders
  2 giant centipedes
  8 gnolls
  18 humans (D:15)
  An adder zombie (D:5)
  2 iguana zombies
  A white imp (D:10)
  2 adder skeletons
  5 giant mites
  11 worms
  A bat skeleton (D:5)
  4 giant eyeballs
  7 giant geckos
  An ooze (D:3)
  180 orcs
  6 ball pythons
  23 bats
  16 goblins
  29 hobgoblins
  26 jackals
  33 kobolds
  9 quokkas
  9 giant cockroaches
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:4)
  7 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:7)
  An orc skeleton (D:7)
  An orc zombie (D:6)
  20 rats
  3 ballistomycetes (D:7)
  12 fungi
  2 plants
1401 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A slave (D:8)
  35 fulminant prisms
  2 iguanas
  A sheep (Lair:8)
  4 adders
  An orc (D:13)
  A kobold (D:9)
  A giant newt (D:1)
  2 rats
  9 fungi
  14 plants
71 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1472 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Sorted, the Deep Elf Conjurer, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 4/4
   668 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 1/7
  1196 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  1228 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 10/10
  1233 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray
  1758 | D:2      | Noticed Jessica
  1763 | D:2      | Killed Jessica
  1763 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 7/13
  2004 | D:2      | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast
  2223 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 24/28 MP: 7/18
  2303 | D:3      | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Battlesphere
  2399 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  2705 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations
  3307 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 22/32 MP: 16/21
  3540 | D:3      | Learned a level 5 spell: Fulminant Prism
  4733 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting
  4927 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 20/23
  6142 | D:4      | Noticed a yak
  6143 | D:4      | Noticed a yak
  6371 | D:3      | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting
  6514 | D:3      | Killed a yak
  6844 | D:3      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 23/41 MP: 11/26
  7065 | D:4      | Noticed a yak
  7068 | D:4      | Killed a yak
  7225 | D:4      | Killed a yak
  7225 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting
  7370 | D:4      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  7462 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  8434 | D:5      | Noticed a hill giant skeleton
  8470 | D:5      | Killed a hill giant skeleton
  8470 | D:5      | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
  9238 | D:5      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 15/29
 10247 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 10399 | D:6      | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting
 10725 | D:6      | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 10790 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10970 | D:6      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 10971 | D:6      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 11510 | D:6      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 12050 | D:7      | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting
 12288 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 50/50 MP: 9/31
 12427 | D:7      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 12627 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 12888 | D:7      | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
 13253 | D:7      | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting
 13303 | D:7      | Found Birgh's Magical Wand Shoppe.
 13371 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
 13473 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
 13748 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
 13826 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
 14050 | D:8      | Acquired Vehumet's first power
 14050 | D:8      | Offered knowledge of Shock by Vehumet.
 14818 | D:8      | Found Smikeat's Distillery.
 14825 | D:8      | Offered knowledge of Throw Frost by Vehumet.
 15344 | D:6      | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting
 15640 | D:5      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
 15642 | D:5      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
 15906 | D:9      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
 16084 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 16096 | D:9      | Offered knowledge of Inner Flame by Vehumet.
 16144 | D:9      | Acquired Vehumet's second power
 16395 | D:9      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 16842 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 17111 | Lair:1   | Offered knowledge of Static Discharge by Vehumet.
 17429 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 54/54 MP: 19/34
 17882 | D:9      | Acquired Vehumet's third power
 18405 | Lair:1   | Offered knowledge of Throw Icicle by Vehumet.
 18409 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 19197 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 19413 | Lair:2   | Offered knowledge of Poisonous Cloud by Vehumet.
 19766 | Lair:3   | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 19940 | Lair:2   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 19944 | Lair:2   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 20273 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 20672 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 52/64 MP: 33/35
 20816 | Lair:3   | You fall through a shaft!
 21032 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 15 in Conjurations
 21216 | Lair:4   | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 21219 | Lair:4   | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
 21413 | Lair:4   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 22896 | Lair:4   | Offered knowledge of Olgreb's Toxic Radiance by Vehumet.
 23008 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 23139 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 23389 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 24961 | Lair:5   | Noticed a death yak
 24970 | Lair:5   | Killed a death yak
 25284 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 16 in Conjurations
 25785 | Lair:6   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 25789 | Lair:6   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 26326 | Lair:6   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 26334 | Lair:6   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 26334 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 75/75 MP: 26/36
 26384 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 26714 | Lair:6   | Noticed an acid blob
 26718 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 27970 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
 27970 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 28841 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 28974 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes
 28991 | Lair:7   | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet.
 28999 | Lair:7   | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 29824 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 29971 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Traps
 30080 | Lair:8   | Killed an acid blob
 30344 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 30574 | Lair:8   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 30582 | Lair:8   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 30582 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 17 in Conjurations
 30627 | Lair:8   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 31427 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 82/82 MP: 31/37
 31857 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Traps
 31904 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 33174 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 5 spell: Phase Shift
 33178 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 3 spell: Flight
 33260 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 33260 | Orc:1    | Noticed Psyche
 33263 | Orc:1    | Killed Psyche
 33263 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
 33496 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Iron Shot by Vehumet.
 33501 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 33654 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 33866 | Orc:1    | You fall through a shaft!
 34791 | Orc:1    | You fall through a shaft!
 35012 | Orc:3    | Noticed Grum
 35014 | Orc:3    | Killed Grum
 35015 | Orc:3    | Noticed Harold
 35016 | Orc:3    | Killed Harold
 35621 | Orc:3    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 36378 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 36447 | D:10     | Noticed Eustachio
 36448 | D:10     | Killed Eustachio
 36781 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 36967 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Ozocubu's Refrigeration by Vehumet.
 37199 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations
 37724 | D:11     | Noticed Joseph
 37729 | D:11     | Killed Joseph
 38608 | D:11     | Got a steaming copper ring
 38657 | D:11     | Identified the ring of Bucuph {rC++ MR Dex+3} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 39726 | D:12     | Offered knowledge of Conjure Ball Lightning by Vehumet.
 40019 | D:12     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 87/87 MP: 28/38
 40745 | D:13     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 42177 | D:13     | Noticed Josephine
 42179 | D:13     | Killed Josephine
 42756 | D:13     | Offered knowledge of Orb of Destruction by Vehumet.
 43913 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Fire Magic
 43917 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Translocations
 44197 | D:13     | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 44348 | D:13     | Learned a level 7 spell: Orb of Destruction
 44523 | D:14     | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon
 45856 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 46121 | D:15     | Noticed Donald
 46125 | D:15     | Killed Donald
 46370 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 46806 | D:15     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 93/93 MP: 33/40
 47314 | D:15     | Reached skill level 18 in Spellcasting
 48177 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 48587 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 48790 | Vaults:1 | Offered knowledge of Lehudib's Crystal Spear by Vehumet.
 48790 | Vaults:1 | Offered knowledge of Fire Storm by Vehumet.
 48790 | Vaults:1 | Offered knowledge of Shatter by Vehumet.
 48807 | Vaults:1 | Learned a level 9 spell: Fire Storm
 49644 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 49850 | Vaults:1 | Noticed a vault warden
 49853 | Vaults:1 | Killed a vault warden
 50346 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 51391 | Snake:2  | Noticed Norris
 51700 | Snake:2  | Killed Norris
 51881 | Snake:2  | Noticed Snorg
 51893 | Snake:2  | Killed Snorg
 52114 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 19 in Spellcasting
 55156 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 55327 | Shoals:1 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 56222 | Shoals:2 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 93/98 MP: 30/42
 56966 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 58703 | Orc:4    | Found Qaumna's Antique Armour Emporium.
 58704 | Orc:4    | Found Xesodial's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 58705 | Orc:4    | Found Qaubeil's Book Emporium.
 58705 | Orc:4    | Found Grerch's General Store.
 58719 | Orc:4    | Bought the +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stlth++} for 530 gold pieces


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
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Melee: Unarmed           |       |       |     4 |     6 |     6 |       ||    16
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    83 |   218 |   202 |   169 |    82 |    37 ||   791
       Dazzling Spray    |       |     3 |   130 |   109 |   102 |    27 ||   371
       Iskenderun's Myst |       |       |    53 |   329 |   627 |   276 ||  1285
       Iskenderun's Batt |       |       |    32 |   154 |   227 |   113 ||   526
       Fulminant Prism   |       |       |       |     5 |    26 |     4 ||    35
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |    12 |    35 |    14 ||    61
       Blink             |       |       |       |     3 |    23 |       ||    26
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |    40 |    94 ||   134
       Phase Shift       |       |       |       |       |    20 |    10 ||    30
       Flight            |       |       |       |       |     3 |     1 ||     4
       Apportation       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |    20 |     9 |     2 ||    31
  Use: Scroll            |     4 |       |       |    13 |    10 |     8 ||    35
       Potion            |       |     3 |       |     7 |     1 |     4 ||    15

Ziggurat Zagger

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Joined: Tuesday, 10th January 2012, 19:49

Post Tuesday, 16th April 2013, 23:26

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

Just physical attacks.

Congrats on finding the best cloak in the game.

Mines Malingerer

Posts: 54

Joined: Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 22:31

Post Wednesday, 17th April 2013, 20:54

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

I will just keep using this thread instead of making a new one. Below is my current situation. I have a few questions about defense.

As you can see I just found a mace with rF++ and rC+, combined with another item gives me rF+++ and rC+++. Is that the max defense I can get, or if I get additional items of resistance will it continue to stack? Also, would you advise carrying the mace around for the higher defense, or keep using my staff of conjouring for a bit more offensive firepower?

I have my mottled dragon armor to +4, so I am assuming its total +10 AC now. What does that mean exactly, every time someone attacks me does it drop 10 dmg off the attack, or is it simply put into some formula?

Is there a resist lightning, or is that included in MR, or not at all?

Also, someone told me to go Vaults, and then Crypt. I am in crypt now, how far down do I go, and what from there?



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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3 (tiles) character file.

Sorted the Scorcher (Deep Elf Conjurer)            Turns: 73231, Time: 05:47:45

HP 108/108       AC 19     Str  8      XL: 19   Next: 72%
MP  51/51        EV 19     Int 29      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 2370        SH 14     Dex 18      Spells: 13 memorised,  4 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + +   See Invis. : +   Q - +0,+6 mace of the Hills {drain, +Rage rF++
Res.Cold  : + + +   Warding    : .   C - +4 mottled dragon armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   D - +2 buckler {rF+}
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   J - +2 horned helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   u - +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stl
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   y - +0 pair of elf gloves
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (no boots)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   h - amulet of the gourmand
Gourmand  : +       Flight     : .   n - ring of Bucuph {rC++ MR Dex+3}
                                     E - ring of magical power

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Fog, Evoke Berserk Rage


You are on level 1 of the Crypt.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 39 of its levels.

You have collected 3419 gold pieces.
You have spent 1069 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 Q - the +0,+6 mace of the Hills (weapon) {drain, +Rage rF++ rC+ SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes.
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you go berserk.
Armour
 u - the +2 cloak of the Thief (worn) {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stlth++}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (-3).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It can be evoked to emit clouds of fog.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 y - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn)
 C - a +4 mottled dragon armour (worn)
 D - a +2 buckler of fire resistance (worn)
 J - a +2 horned helmet of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of disintegration (15)
 g - a wand of fire {zapped: 1}
 k - a wand of digging (9)
 H - a wand of hasting (4)
 K - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 1}
 L - a wand of flame {zapped: 2}
Comestibles
 b - 6 bread rations
 f - an orange
Scrolls
 i - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 j - a scroll of teleportation
 q - 2 scrolls of identify
 t - 4 scrolls of fear
 z - 2 scrolls of blinking
 A - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 G - a scroll of recharging
 O - a scroll of amnesia
Jewellery
 h - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 l - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 m - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 n - the ring of Bucuph (right hand) {rC++ MR Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 p - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 E - a ring of magical power (left hand)
Potions
 r - 16 potions of curing
 s - 5 potions of heal wounds
 P - a potion of magic
Magical staves
 c - an uncursed staff of conjuration
Miscellaneous
 x - a lantern of shadows


   Skills:
 - Level 10.5 Fighting
 - Level 5.6 Armour
 - Level 10.0 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 5.1 Traps
 - Level 19.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 19.3 Conjurations
 - Level 8.7 Hexes
 - Level 9.6 Charms
 - Level 10.0 Translocations
 + Level 19.4 Fire Magic


You have 4 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####        0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
c - Dazzling Spray        Conj/Hex       ########.    0%          3    None
d - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           ########.    0%          4    None
e - Iskenderun's Battles  Conj/Chrm      ########.    1%          4    None
f - Fulminant Prism       Conj/Hex       ########.    1%          5    None
g - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          6    None
h - Orb of Destruction    Conj           ########..   1%          7    ####...
i - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          2    None
j - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ########..   12%         9    #######
o - Phase Shift           Tloc           #######...   1%          5    None
p - Flight                Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          3    None
u - Apportation           Tloc           #######...   1%          1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (16/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:9          Shoals (2/5) Lair:4
  Snake (4/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6       Vaults (3/5) D:15
  Crypt (1/5) Vaults:3   
 Blade: Vaults:3-4 

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:7: /  D:8: !  Orc:4: ([*+  Vaults:1: ?[  Vaults:2: [



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There are no monsters in sight!




Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |       |       |     4 |     6 |     6 |       |       ||    16
       Mace              |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    83 |   218 |   202 |   169 |    82 |    50 |       ||   804
       Dazzling Spray    |       |     3 |   130 |   109 |   102 |    29 |     7 ||   380
       Iskenderun's Myst |       |       |    53 |   329 |   627 |   517 |    54 ||  1580
       Iskenderun's Batt |       |       |    32 |   154 |   227 |   229 |    34 ||   676
       Fulminant Prism   |       |       |       |     5 |    26 |     8 |     1 ||    40
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |    12 |    35 |    32 |    10 ||    89
       Blink             |       |       |       |     3 |    23 |     9 |       ||    35
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |    40 |   252 |    95 ||   387
       Phase Shift       |       |       |       |       |    20 |    15 |     3 ||    38
       Flight            |       |       |       |       |     3 |     1 |       ||     4
       Apportation       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Fire Storm        |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Orb of Destructio |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
 Abil: Evoke Fog         |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |    20 |     9 |     8 |     2 ||    39
       Deck              |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |     4 |       |       |    13 |    10 |    15 |     5 ||    47
       Potion            |       |     3 |       |     7 |     1 |     6 |       ||    17

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 3163

Joined: Friday, 6th January 2012, 18:45

Post Wednesday, 17th April 2013, 21:02

Re: DECJ lvl 14. Please advise

rF and rC both have a maximum of 3 levels. I'd stick with the staff to boost your spells.

Lighting is mitigated by rElec, as you would expect.

10 AC essentially means that when you take damage, the game picks a random number between 0 and 10 and reduces the damage by that much.

The bottom level of Crypt might be harder than the rest, so if you have trouble with it, feel free to retreat. Do all but the last level of Vaults, then finish off the main Dungeon (down to 27). Then start acquiring runes.
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Mines Malingerer

Posts: 54

Joined: Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 22:31

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 13:53

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

I changed the title to reflect my current situation. I went down the stairway after turning on deflect missile and phase shift, which is my standard MO when going down to new levels. Mennas was right by me, I went back up, tried to use a tele scroll, ended up moving a couple spaces from the stairs instead, so I quit the game and went to bed. Didn't want to do anything else stupid as I figure every move is precious at this point. I sure hope I can survive this as this is by far the furthest I have ever gotten in this game and I am really liking Fire Storm.

A couple options I possibly have, but don't want to experiment with them before getting some feedback because I fear that the wrong move will simply get me killed.

Can I put on my tele ring and evoke teleportation under silence? I bumped up my evocations a bit and I think the failure rate is down to about 35%. If that works I am guessing it would take about 5 to 7 turns before I could tele.

I have a potion of speed, can I drink that and run for the escape hatch going up about 10 squares away? I also have a potion of invisibility, will that make any difference?

Thanks for the help.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3 (tiles) character file.

Sorted the Sorcerer (Deep Elf Conjurer)            Turns: 92639, Time: 08:04:35

HP 108/125       AC 21     Str  8      XL: 22   Next: 26%
MP  35/47        EV 27     Int 32      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 1768        SH 14     Dex 18      Spells: 15 memorised,  4 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : +   c - staff of conjuration
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : .   C - +6 mottled dragon armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   D - +2 buckler {rF+}
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   J - +2 horned helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   u - +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stl
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   y - +0 pair of elf gloves
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (no boots)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   h - amulet of the gourmand
Gourmand  : +       Flight     : .   n - ring of Bucuph {rC++ MR Dex+3}
                                     b - ring "Bafusko" {Wiz rF+ Int+1}

@: deflect missiles, phasing, glowing, extremely resistant to hostile
enchantments, unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Evoke Fog


You are on level 19 of the Dungeon.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 49 of its levels.

You have collected 4332 gold pieces.
You have spent 2584 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 Q - the +0,+6 mace of the Hills {drain, +Rage rF++ rC+ SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes.
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you go berserk.
Armour
 u - the +2 cloak of the Thief (worn) {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stlth++}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (-3).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It can be evoked to emit clouds of fog.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 y - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn)
 C - a +6 mottled dragon armour (worn)
 D - a +2 buckler of fire resistance (worn)
 J - a +2 horned helmet of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of disintegration (13)
 g - a wand of draining (3)
 k - a wand of digging (8)
 I - a wand of fire (7)
Comestibles
 d - a choko
 j - a meat ration
 E - 2 pears
Scrolls
 f - 14 scrolls of teleportation
 i - 7 scrolls of remove curse
 m - a scroll of fog
 q - 3 scrolls of identify
 t - 4 scrolls of fear
 z - a scroll of blinking
 A - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 G - 4 scrolls of recharging
Jewellery
 b - the ring "Bafusko" (left hand) {Wiz rF+ Int+1}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It protects you from fire.
 h - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 l - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 n - the ring of Bucuph (right hand) {rC++ MR Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 p - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 O - an uncursed amulet of stasis
Potions
 e - a potion of restore abilities
 o - 2 potions of speed
 r - 11 potions of curing
 s - 5 potions of heal wounds
 w - a potion of brilliance
 L - a potion of invisibility
 P - 3 potions of magic
Books
 v - Lugonu's Grimoire of Arcane Weapons
   (You found it on level 19 of the Dungeon)   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
Magical staves
 c - an uncursed staff of conjuration (weapon)
Miscellaneous
 x - a lantern of shadows


   Skills:
 - Level 10.5 Fighting
 - Level 5.6 Armour
 - Level 10.0 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 5.1 Traps
 + Level 22.4 Spellcasting
 - Level 20.0 Conjurations
   Level 8.7 Hexes
 - Level 9.6 Charms
 - Level 10.0 Translocations
 - Level 20.1 Fire Magic
 - Level 8.9 Air Magic
 - Level 9.3 Evocations


You have 4 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####        0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
c - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      #########.   2%          9    #####..
d - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           #########    0%          4    None
e - Iskenderun's Battles  Conj/Chrm      #########    1%          4    None
f - Orb of Destruction    Conj           #########.   1%          7    None
g - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      #########.   1%          6    None
i - Phase Shift           Tloc           ########..   1%          5    None
j - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ######....   1%          2    None
k - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ######....   1%          3    None
l - Haste                 Chrm           ########.    1%          6    None
m - Cure Poison           Pois           ######....   1%          2    None
n - Flight                Chrm/Air       ########..   1%          3    None
p - Apportation           Tloc           ########..   0%          1    None
u - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ########..   1%          6    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (20/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:9          Shoals (4/5) Lair:4
  Snake (4/5) Lair:4        Slime (1/6) Lair:6       Vaults (5/5) D:15
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:4      Crypt (2/5) Vaults:3   
  Tomb: Crypt:2-3   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh
Lugonu

Shops:
D:7: /  D:8: !  D:17: +  D:19: ?  Orc:4: ([*+  Shoals:3: +*(  Shoals:4: =[  Vaults:1: ?[  Vaults:2: [

Portals:
Trove: D:16 (give +5,+4 demon whip)

Annotations
D:19 Mennas

Message History

Mennas' surroundings become eerily quiet.
The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt. The bolt hits you!
The yaktaur unwields an uncursed crossbow.
The yaktaur hits you. The yaktaur shoots a poisoned bolt. You deflect the poisoned bolt! The poisoned bolt misses Mennas.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Magic scrolls do not work when you're silenced!
You block the yaktaur's attack.
The yaktaur wields an uncursed crossbow.
The yaktaur shoots a bolt. You deflect the bolt!
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Magic scrolls do not work when you're silenced!
Level annotation: Mennas
Welcome back, Sorted the Deep Elf Conjurer.
Vehumet says: Let it end in hellfire!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Char dumped to 'C:/Users/Michael/AppData/Roaming/crawl/morgue/Sorted.txt'.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.

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You can see Mennas and a yaktaur.




Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |       |       |     4 |     6 |     6 |       |       |       ||    16
       Mace              |       |       |       |       |       |       |     8 |       ||     8
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    83 |   218 |   202 |   169 |    82 |    50 |     6 |       ||   810
       Dazzling Spray    |       |     3 |   130 |   109 |   102 |    29 |    11 |       ||   384
       Iskenderun's Myst |       |       |    53 |   329 |   627 |   517 |   296 |    28 ||  1850
       Iskenderun's Batt |       |       |    32 |   154 |   227 |   229 |   172 |    18 ||   832
       Fulminant Prism   |       |       |       |     5 |    26 |     8 |     1 |       ||    40
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |    12 |    35 |    32 |    17 |       ||    96
       Blink             |       |       |       |     3 |    23 |     9 |     1 |       ||    36
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |    40 |   252 |   322 |    30 ||   644
       Phase Shift       |       |       |       |       |    20 |    15 |     9 |     2 ||    46
       Flight            |       |       |       |       |     3 |     1 |     1 |       ||     5
       Apportation       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |     1 |       ||     3
       Fire Storm        |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |    67 |     9 ||    77
       Orb of Destructio |       |       |       |       |       |       |    12 |     2 ||    14
       Deflect Missiles  |       |       |       |       |       |       |    34 |    11 ||    45
       Sublimation of Bl |       |       |       |       |       |       |    17 |       ||    17
 Abil: Evoke Fog         |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |    20 |     9 |     8 |    12 |       ||    49
       Deck              |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |     4 |       |       |    13 |    10 |    15 |    17 |       ||    59
       Potion            |       |     3 |       |     7 |     1 |     6 |     9 |       ||    26


Thanks for code tag fix.
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Cocytus Succeeder

Posts: 2297

Joined: Saturday, 14th April 2012, 21:35

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 14:00

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

Use code tags, not quote tags.

The speed potion will let you move exactly as fast as Mennas. Drink it then run until silence runs out and immediately blink. Then leave the floor. It won't be long before he silences again.

Vestibule Violator

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Joined: Friday, 21st January 2011, 22:56

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 14:03

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

You can also use your tele ring.

Usually Mennas wouldn't be a major threat to this character, just having him right next to you is bad. Firestorm cuts right through his EV and SH. Haste will make you as fast as Mennas, so if you don't want to teleport you can just quaff that potion and start walking away, blink to get some distance from Mennas when you can, and then just kill him.

Mines Malingerer

Posts: 54

Joined: Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 22:31

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 14:16

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

Thanks for the advice. I am a bit nervous (scared) so I am going to wait a couple hours to make sure I am calm and focused and then do that. I will let you know how it went, thanks!

Unarmed Combat 27.0

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Joined: Saturday, 12th January 2013, 22:48

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 14:49

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

As long as you use the above advice, you should be fine. Then you can laugh at how easily he dies to Fire Storm.

Although, if you do escape him, you should probably just leave the floor for a while, tempting as it might be to nuke him. >_>

Mines Malingerer

Posts: 54

Joined: Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 22:31

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 17:04

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

Thanks for the help, I definitely feel like a noob, but its better than dying.

I didn't know his silence was a spell that would go away eventually, I thought it was a permanent aura or something. Silence pretty much shuts down anything I can do as a mage.

I wasn't sure if I could use my ring while silenced, so I didn't know if I had any escape options at all.

In the end I ended up drinking a speed potion, then i used my blink scroll, and then destroyed him ridiculously easy with Fire Storm. I think I used 3 fire storms, but it might have been only two.

In then end though, I think I did the right thing to wait and assess the situation and get some help. I don't want to have another dumb death to something like confusion when there is an easy solution.

It will probably be alot easier for me the next time through, the biggest obstacle I deal with so far is everything is unknown to me, and I can see that all of the stuff that I have passed through now isn't that big of deal to me because I think I have a plan to deal with it.

Cocytus Succeeder

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Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 17:11

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

This is why you don't need to be so heartbroken over "this was my best character ever" YASDs - your next one to reach that point won't be that far down the line as you know what you're doing now. They are certainly the most remembered characters though, yes.

Halls Hopper

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Joined: Wednesday, 14th November 2012, 23:06

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 22:27

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

I remember when I first met Mennas, with a spellcasting-focused character. I too once thought his silence aura was a permanent thing. :) There's no shame in asking for advice, I think you handled it very well.
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Mines Malingerer

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Joined: Wednesday, 10th April 2013, 22:31

Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 23:01

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

Thanks.

I managed to get to lvl 27 of the dungeon, then I went to vaults:5. I was stair stepping with the enemy for quite awhile until a tentacled monstrosity showed up. It wouldn't let me go up the stairs and I got pummelled by a room full of baddies.

I feel pretty good though, in less than half an hour I am lvl 11 again, and have a good idea of what I need to do.

I probably should have walked away from Crypt 5 for a bit, or else used my C. Blink to get away from the stair well (all three stairs were in the same place.) The problem I have with blinking away from the staircase is it real easy to run out of mana. I probably could have lured them away though and then tele back to stairs and been safe.

You barely miss the shadow dragon. The ironbrand convoker misses you. You block the fire giant's attack.

It looks like I also got loose with my keyboard control in the heat of battle as I was supposed to be doing a c.blink away, and it looks like I wasted my last turn doing a physical attack.



  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3 (tiles) character file.

515714 Sorted the Archmage (level 26, -16/151 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Conjurer on Apr 15, 2013.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Demolished by a tentacled monstrosity (18 damage)
             ... on Level 5 of the Vaults on Apr 18, 2013.
             The game lasted 10:33:41 (118532 turns).

Sorted the Archmage (Deep Elf Conjurer)           Turns: 118532, Time: 10:33:42

HP -16/151       AC 21     Str  8      XL: 26   Next: 98%
MP  35/50        EV 35     Int 37      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 1383        SH 14     Dex 15      Spells: 16 memorised, 11 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : +   G - staff of energy
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   C - +6 mottled dragon armour
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   D - +3 buckler {rF+}
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   J - +2 horned helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   u - +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stl
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   y - +0 pair of elf gloves
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (no boots)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   h - amulet of the gourmand
Gourmand  : +       Flight     : .   T - ring of Shadows {+Inv rN+ EV+4 Acc-4 SInv
                                     Q - ring "Greamuqy" {rElec Int+4}

@: deflect missiles, phasing, very slightly contaminated, constricted, very
resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: herbivore 1
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Fog, Evoke Invisibility


You were on level 5 of the Vaults.
You worshipped Vehumet.
Vehumet was exalted by your worship.
You were very full.

You visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and saw 56 of its levels.
You also visited: Trove.

You collected 5465 gold pieces.
You spent 4102 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Armour
 u - the +2 cloak of the Thief (worn) {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stlth++}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (-3).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It can be evoked to emit clouds of fog.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 y - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn)
 C - a +6 mottled dragon armour (worn)
 D - a +3 buckler of fire resistance (worn)
 J - a +2 horned helmet of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of disintegration (11)
 H - a wand of draining (4)
Comestibles
 k - 5 rotting chunks of deep troll flesh
 E - a royal jelly
 F - 3 meat rations
 K - a choko
 S - a rambutan
Scrolls
 f - 9 scrolls of teleportation
 i - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 2 scrolls of fog
 t - 3 scrolls of fear
 A - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 B - 3 scrolls of recharging
 N - a scroll of blinking
Jewellery
 b - the ring "Bafusko" {Wiz rF+ Int+1}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It protects you from fire.
 c - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
 d - an uncursed amulet of warding
 e - the amulet "Keseq" {Cons rF++ Acc+5}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [amulet of conservation]
   It affects your accuracy (+5).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
 h - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 l - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 n - the ring of Bucuph {rC++ MR Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 p - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 v - the ring of Eternity {rN+ Dex+3 Acc+4 SInv}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your accuracy (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 I - an uncursed amulet of warding
 M - an uncursed ring of sustenance {unknown}
 O - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 Q - the ring "Greamuqy" (left hand) {rElec Int+4}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It insulates you from electricity.
 R - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 T - the ring of Shadows (right hand) {+Inv rN+ EV+4 Acc-4 SInv Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 26 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of invisibility]
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It affects your accuracy (-4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 U - the ring "Ofiommod" {rC+ Str+3 Int+2}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
Potions
 g - a potion of might
 o - a potion of speed
 r - 12 potions of curing
 s - 7 potions of heal wounds
 w - a potion of restore abilities
 L - a potion of invisibility
Books
 j - a book of the Earth   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Dig                                Earth                        4
   Leda's Liquefaction                Hexes/Earth                  4
   Bolt of Magma                      Conjuration/Fire/Earth       5
   Statue Form                        Transmutation/Earth          6
   Iron Shot                          Conjuration/Earth            6
   Shatter                            Earth                        9
Magical staves
 G - an uncursed staff of energy (weapon)


   Skills:
 - Level 11.8 Fighting
 - Level 5.6 Armour
 - Level 17.0 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 5.1 Traps
 O Level 27 Spellcasting
 + Level 22.8 Conjurations
   Level 8.7 Hexes
 - Level 9.6 Charms
 - Level 10.5 Translocations
 + Level 23.0 Fire Magic
 - Level 8.9 Air Magic
 - Level 11.0 Evocations


You had 11 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####        0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
c - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      #########.   1%          9    None
d - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           #########    0%          4    None
e - Iskenderun's Battles  Conj/Chrm      #########    0%          4    None
f - Orb of Destruction    Conj           #########.   1%          7    None
g - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      #########.   0%          6    None
i - Phase Shift           Tloc           ########..   1%          5    None
j - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ######....   1%          2    None
k - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ######....   1%          3    None
l - Haste                 Chrm           ########.    1%          6    None
m - Cure Poison           Pois           ######....   1%          2    None
n - Flight                Chrm/Air       ########..   1%          3    None
p - Apportation           Tloc           ########..   0%          1    None
q - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          6%          7    None
u - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ########..   1%          6    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:9          Shoals (4/5) Lair:4
  Snake (4/5) Lair:4        Slime (1/6) Lair:6       Vaults (5/5) D:15
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:4      Crypt (2/5) Vaults:3        Zot (0/5) D:27
  Tomb: Crypt:2-3   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh
Lugonu

Shops:
D:7: /  D:8: !  D:17: +  D:19: ?  D:21: (  D:25: =  Orc:4: ([*+  Shoals:3: +*(  Shoals:4: =[  Vaults:1: ?[  Vaults:2: [

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:21 D:24 D:25 D:26
Pandemonium: D:21 D:24 D:27


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You digest meat inefficiently.


Message History

* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The tentacled monstrosity constricts you!!
The ogre mage closely misses you. The storm dragon bites you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The storm dragon claws you but does no damage.
You block the storm dragon's attack.
A giant orange brain and an ironbrand convoker come into view.
You barely miss the shadow dragon. The ironbrand convoker misses you. You block the fire giant's attack.
The golden dragon completely misses you.
You momentarily phase out as the golden dragon's attack passes through you.
The golden dragon completely misses you.
The shadow dragon bites you but does no damage.
The shadow dragon misses you.
You block the shadow dragon's attack.
The shadow dragon claws you but does no damage.
The shadow dragon misses you.
The tentacled monstrosity tentacle-slaps you but does no damage.
You momentarily phase out as the tentacled monstrosity's attack passes through you.
The tentacled monstrosity tentacle-slaps you but does no damage.
You die...

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       #..@.#


You could see 2 shadow dragons, a tentacled monstrosity, an emperor scorpion, an
iron dragon, a golden dragon, a storm dragon, a fire giant, a vault warden, a
yaktaur captain, a snapping turtle (wandering), a deep elf death mage, an ettin,
a giant orange brain, an ogre mage (invisible), a deep troll, 2 ironbrand
convokers, 3 large abominations, 5 yaktaurs and a deep elf fighter.




Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |       |       |     4 |     6 |     6 |       |       |       |       ||    16
       Mace              |       |       |       |       |       |       |     8 |       |       ||     8
       Staff             |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    83 |   218 |   202 |   169 |    82 |    50 |     6 |     1 |       ||   811
       Dazzling Spray    |       |     3 |   130 |   109 |   102 |    29 |    11 |       |       ||   384
       Iskenderun's Myst |       |       |    53 |   329 |   627 |   517 |   296 |   154 |    13 ||  1989
       Iskenderun's Batt |       |       |    32 |   154 |   227 |   229 |   172 |    87 |     9 ||   910
       Fulminant Prism   |       |       |       |     5 |    26 |     8 |     1 |       |       ||    40
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |    12 |    35 |    32 |    17 |       |       ||    96
       Blink             |       |       |       |     3 |    23 |     9 |     1 |     2 |     1 ||    39
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |    40 |   252 |   322 |   332 |   150 ||  1096
       Phase Shift       |       |       |       |       |    20 |    15 |     9 |    15 |    14 ||    73
       Flight            |       |       |       |       |     3 |     1 |     1 |       |       ||     5
       Apportation       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |     1 |       |       ||     3
       Fire Storm        |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |    67 |    97 |    82 ||   247
       Orb of Destructio |       |       |       |       |       |       |    12 |    44 |    22 ||    78
       Deflect Missiles  |       |       |       |       |       |       |    34 |    48 |    36 ||   118
       Sublimation of Bl |       |       |       |       |       |       |    17 |     3 |       ||    20
       Haste             |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Controlled Blink  |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |    13 ||    14
 Abil: Evoke Fog         |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Evoke Teleportati |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
       Evoke Invisibilit |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |    20 |     9 |     8 |    12 |       |     2 ||    51
       Deck              |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |     4 |       |       |    13 |    10 |    15 |    17 |     6 |    13 ||    78
       Potion            |       |     3 |       |     7 |     1 |     6 |     9 |     3 |       ||    29

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Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 23:08

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

For the sake of vault 5 I would learn control teleport (or use ring of teleport control, which is better but not found that easily). With magic mapping scroll I would teleport into the very corner of the vault, approaching staircase from there.
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Post Thursday, 18th April 2013, 23:16

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

Trying to simply escape constriction on such a squishy, low STR character is suicidal. You should probably have tried blinking away from the stairs ASAP with a random blink, then back to them with cblink when the monstrosity would be far from them, or just keep going towards one of the edges of V:5, although with the new mobs that mark you, that could be worse, I suppose. Hm, I'm not sure how brutal newnewvaults is to casters...
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Post Friday, 19th April 2013, 00:13

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

V:5 is always like that: surprise party at the bottom, all stairs together, quadrants full of bad dudes. There are a bunch of strategies for dealing with the ambush, but you need to keep in mind that down there vault guards are the least of your problems. Making a lot of noise near the stairs is often not a good idea. V:5 is one of the hardest levels, there's no shame in dying there. It's also really fun.

You also learned to stay away from tentacled monstrosities with squishy chars.

Sounds like a good game! :)
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Post Friday, 19th April 2013, 01:16

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

I find that with almost all characters I'd rather (random) teleport or blink than stairdance. So much stuff will get to hit you when you return to Vaults:5.
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Post Friday, 19th April 2013, 01:32

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

Even better than random teleport is to just run to one of the outside corridors. It's like teleport but you know where it's going.

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Post Friday, 19th April 2013, 06:52

Re: DECJ lvl 22. Standing by Mennas!!! Can I escape?

The whole game can be spent preparing for V:5's ambush party: e.g. Torment scrolls and Immolation scrolls on a Ds who healed by killing things and had rF+++ (note: this attracts badasses from the quadrants, you still have to run away). It's inevitable that some noise will be made on entry (vault guards shout) but don't make a bigger racket than shouts. Magic mapping and cTele into the outside corridors (or just run there after breaching the surround, e.g. with a fear scroll) where there are few dangerous monsters.

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