CIP: Help me beat my first ZIggurat!

[diviton]

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-2107-gc557f1f (tiles) character file.

Lorenzo the Talismancer (Deep Elf Wizard)         Turns: 220815, Time: 21:41:20

HP 192/192       AC 31     Str 14      XL: 27
MP  50/50        EV 19     Int 39      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 9963        SH 15     Dex 11      Spells: 16 memorised,  0 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + +   See Invis. : +   H - staff of fire
Res.Cold  : x . .   Warding    : .   T - +4 fire dragon armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +   J - +3 elf buckler {AC+3}
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : +   X - +1 helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   v - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   x - +2 pair of gauntlets {Str+3}
Res.Mut.  : +       Stasis     : .   P - +0 pair of boots of Phema {Dex-2 SInv}
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   c - amulet of resist mutation
Saprovore : . . .   Flight     : .   G - +6 ring of strength
                                     B - ring of sustenance

@: delayed fireball, very resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: AC +2, SH +2
a: Renounce Religion, Release Delayed Fireball
}: 13/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy, silver, golden, icy, bone, abyssal,
demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You are in the Vestibule of Hell.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 16 branches of the dungeon, and seen 92 of its levels.
You have visited Pandemonium 7 times, and seen 42 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 2 times.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You have collected 16151 gold pieces.
You have spent 6208 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 E - the +9,+9 Staff of Wucad Mu
   (You found it on level 7 of Cocytus)
Armour
 a - the +2 helmet of Gitripta {rC++ Dam+4}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+4).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 s - the +1 leather armour of Free Will {+Inv +Fly rElec}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It lets you fly.
 v - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
 x - a +2 pair of gauntlets of strength (worn)
 F - the +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {Hunger rElec Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It speeds your metabolism.
 J - a +3 elven buckler of protection (worn)
 P - the +0 pair of boots of Phema (worn) {Dex-2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
   It enhances your eyesight.
 T - a +4 fire dragon armour (worn)
 X - a +1 helmet of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 h - a wand of disintegration (11)
 z - a wand of teleportation (6)
 M - a wand of invisibility (6)
 O - a wand of hasting (8)
 Q - a wand of heal wounds (7)
Comestibles
 g - 2 meat rations
 i - an apple
 A - a royal jelly
 I - 2 bread rations
Scrolls
 l - a scroll of remove curse
 m - 2 scrolls of holy word
 C - 3 scrolls of blinking
 D - 2 scrolls of recharging
 L - 2 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed ring of regeneration
 c - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 d - the ring "Qanieck" {rC+ SInv}
   (You took it off a yaktaur captain on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   It enhances your eyesight.
 e - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 f - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 j - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 k - the amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of inaccuracy]
   It affects your evasion (+5).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you fly.
   It protects you from missiles.
 p - the ring of the King {MR Int+4 Acc+5 Dam+5}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [ring of slaying]
   It affects your accuracy (+5).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 y - the brooch of Shielding {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
 B - a ring of sustenance (left hand)
 G - a +6 ring of strength (right hand)
 K - the ring of Zikeudes {rPois Str+3 Int+2}
   (You took it off a yaktaur captain on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of poison resistance]
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
 V - the ring "Leiwutuw" {rN+ EV+2}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   It affects your evasion (+2).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 W - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 Y - the ring "Mnopnoar" {Fire MR}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   [ring of fire]
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 Z - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
Potions
 n - 3 potions of resistance
 q - 7 potions of restore abilities
 r - 12 potions of curing
 t - 4 potions of speed
 R - 5 potions of heal wounds
 U - 3 potions of magic
Books
 u - a Necronomicon {highlevel}   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Borgnjor's Revivification          Necromancy                   7
   Haunt                              Necromancy/Summoning         7
   Death's Door                       Charms/Necromancy            8
   Necromutation                      Transmutation/Necromancy     8
 w - a book of Party Tricks   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Summon Butterflies                 Summoning                    1
   *Apportation                       Translocation                1
   *Blink                             Translocation                2
   Alistair's Intoxication            Transmutation/Poison         4
   Tukima's Dance                     Hexes                        5
Magical staves
 H - an uncursed staff of fire (weapon)
Miscellaneous
 o - a crystal ball of energy


   Skills:
 - Level 25.7 Fighting
   Level 0.2 Axes
   Level 0.3 Maces & Flails
 - Level 10.0 Staves
 - Level 10.1 Armour
 * Level 26.3 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 8.5 Traps
 O Level 27 Spellcasting
 O Level 27 Conjurations
 - Level 13.0 Charms
   Level 4.3 Summonings
 - Level 1.0 Necromancy
 - Level 15.9 Translocations
 - Level 7.0 Transmutations
 O Level 27 Fire Magic
 O Level 27 Air Magic
 - Level 0.4 Earth Magic
 O Level 27 Evocations


You cannot memorise any spells.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Ring of Flames        Chrm/Fire      #########.   1%          7    None
b - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      #########.   1%          6    None
c - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       #########.   1%          6    None
d - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
e - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          7    None
f - Phase Shift           Tloc           #########.   1%          5    None
g - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ##########   1%          9    None
h - Delayed Fireball      Conj/Fire      N/A          1%          7    None
i - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ##########   0%          6    None
j - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #########.   0%          2    None
k - Apportation           Tloc           #########.   0%          1    None
l - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ##########   0%          5    None
m - Tornado               Air            #########.   1%          9    None
n - Haste                 Chrm           #########    1%          6    None
o - Dig                   Trmt/Erth      #######..    2%          4    None
p - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ########..   1%          3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
  Snake (5/5) Lair:4        Slime (6/6) Lair:6       Vaults (5/5) D:20
  Blade (1/1) Vaults:3      Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3
    Dis (0/7) Hell            Geh (0/7) Hell            Coc (7/7) Hell
    Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (4/5) D:27       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:4: *  D:14: =  D:16: [  D:21: ?  D:24: *  D:26: (  Orc:2: *
Orc:4: +*[(  Elf:2: %  Elf:3: ?  Snake:2: [*  Snake:3: +
Vaults:2: (  Vaults:3: *(!![

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:21 D:23 D:25 D:26 D:27
Pandemonium: D:24 D:25


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are partially covered in large bone plates (AC +2, SH +2).

Thanks to the advice of this board and Psieye in particular, I've managed to get my character this far. My only real goal for this character is to clear a Ziggurat(s?) and I would love this boards help. I just want to know what I should be carrying into a Ziggurat since I have almost no experience with them. I did dip into one in desperate search of rMut on one of my other characters, but I only went 10 floors down before finding it and bailing.

Anyway, my main concern is what I should be bringing in. Please list everything you'd advise I bring in, regardless of whether or not I have it in my inventory, as I might have it in my stashes. Of note, I have plenty of recharging, restore abilities, CBoE and the glorious Wucad Mu. I'm also interested in what skills I should be training while I'm in there. What armours and resistances to bring. How much food to carry. Any particular wands I might need. (Disintegration for statues and flame for Silent Specters?) Of course, I'd also like to pick up any nice loot I might find, but I don't want to pack too lightly in hopes of finding good stuff.

It's worth noting that I only have 13 runes and have not gone to Dis or Gehenna yet. This is because the other Hell branches drained my supplies more than I wanted and I was worried that if I completed the remaining branches, I'd be left with insufficient consumables in favor of insignificant skill growth. That said, if you guys strongly advise that I try to build a certain skill, either in Hell, or by scumming Pan, I'm open to any and all advice you can offer. I want to have the best chance.

Lastly, any spells I should learn? I have access to everything. Please and thank you! bestow unto me your accumulated knowledge!

[dassem]

Wow, nice ring and rather strong character.

I agree with your wand ideas.
I like a few more teleport and healing wands. - After getting into trouble, I have finished (both won and lost) a few Zig floors randomly teleporting and spamming healing wands on myself.

The main things I feel I run short of in Zigs are food, id and remove curse scrolls (depending on build and how much loot I id). Of course, you might get burned and lose scrolls (or potions frozen).

Lately, I've found a lot of CMut potions in zigs.

I suspect the area to branch into is necromancy.
Necromutation, Borgjnor's, and Death's door are useful. I've only used the former much, but hunger-free spamming of spells, torment and mutation resistance are cool. (Although maybe not for holy floors!)

Probably you can lose fireball + delayed fireball, although they are nice for silent spectres.
I'd lose dig and consider losing phase shift.
(The better players might want to correct these!)

Summoning is another option, but it's up to you which direction to take.

My guess is the only floors that will give you much trouble are Pan lord or Mummy floors. Holy word scrolls can help. The other obvious tip is to take advantage of Veh's increased spell range. Position your firestorms such that they also fry the guys who are just out of your field of view. The most annoying case is when you get a single fire-resistant Pan lord charging far ahead of all the rest of the denizens.

Things that surprized me lately are damage-reflecting dwarves and confusing a suppression field for silence.

Good luck!

Edit: Oh, I assumed by "flame" you meant fire, of course.

[diviton]

Yeah, I'm afraid of Mummy floors towards the end more than anything else. Without Necromutation, it just seems like I'd get smoked fast. Tomb was surprisingly easy for this character, although I was incredibly cautious and stair danced my ass off. I don't think I could get Necromutation castable even if I finished Dis and Gehenna.

So, here's a question about Ziggurat honor. Is it considered a victory if you have to move to the next floor without killing everything?

[dassem]

Hmmm, so without necromutation, I think torment will be tough. The times I've done that I needed a lot of regeneration. Sure, you might lose HP fast, but that's ok if you can regain them quickly. At least you'll be alive and so can sublimate, regenerate, read holy word, and quaff potions. I suspect Borgj is still worthwhile.

So, here's a question about Ziggurat honor. Is it considered a victory if you have to move to the next floor without killing everything?

My opinion is no. I think almost any Zig floor would be easy if you just make some noise, then CTele/Blink to the exit. (Although that gets more exciting for -CTele floors.) However, the main goal is really just to not die, and I would say this is a different case from, say, grabbing runes and running.

Anyway, that's a question I've also wondered about, so hopefully someone else will answer!

[diviton]

Yeah, I feel like it's not a true victory unless I kill everything in the Ziggurat. Just curious about the boards opinion.

I think I might try to get Necromancy up a bit for some of the Necronomicon spells. If it ends up that I have to bail on a zig, those spells could really help me. The Hell effects in Dis aren't as bad as the ones in Tartarus. The main reason I don't want to go there is because I don't want to drain my consumables, but I suppose I can always restock in Pan.

Plus, I'd like to buy some time to get more advice from this nice board. Please? =(

[diviton]

Clearing out Zot:5 (2 player ghosts! Yeesh!) And surprisingly I was ablr to get Necromutation high enough for any spell in the Necronomicon. So the question is, which should I learn for the Zig and if so, what spells do I lose?

[mrbobbyg]

Wait, did you clear Zot:5 with rF-?

Edit* Derp! I'm a goof who got rC and rF mixed up.

=)

[diviton]

No, why do you ask?

I cleared Zot 5 and finished Dis. I hate Gehenna so I'm putting that off for now. I picked up some awful mutations including degeneration and teleportitis so I scummed Pan for a while to get a cMut potion. I found one and shortlu aftrr came across a Ziggurat. It was 12000 and I only had 9000. Probably for the best because arent the more expensive Zigs supposed to be harder?

I think I'm ready to find a Zig though. I just have to decide what I'm bringing along.

I've decided that I'm going to ditch blink and bolt of fire in favor of necromutation since I'm so scared of a mummy floor. I'm also very strongly considering ditching Delayed Fireball/apportation for Borgnjor's Revivification or Death's Door. I'm having trouble figuring out which would be more useful though. I feel like Death's Door would be great since thanks to Wucad Mu, I could get my MP back almost immediately and probably kill everything before it wore off, or at worst, just leave the Ziggurat. Still, Revivification sounds good too. Which should I chose, hmmm?

[diviton]

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-2107-gc557f1f (tiles) character file.

Lorenzo the Talismancer (Deep Elf Wizard)      Turns: 251690, Time: 1, 01:13:00

HP 196/196       AC 43     Str 11      XL: 27
MP  50/50        EV 22     Int 42      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 7890        SH 14     Dex 11      Spells: 13 memorised,  0 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : +   E - +9 Staff of Wucad Mu
Res.Cold  : x . .   Warding    : +   T - +8 fire dragon armour
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : +   J - +3 elf buckler {AC+3}
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : +   X - +2 helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   v - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   s - +2 pair of gloves "Plog" {Int+3 Dam+3}
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   P - +0 pair of boots of Phema {Dex-2 SInv}
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   y - brooch of Shielding {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
Saprovore : . . .   Flight     : .   B - ring of sustenance
                                     G - +6 ring of strength

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion
}: 14/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy, silver, golden, iron, icy, bone,
abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You are in the Vestibule of Hell.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 17 branches of the dungeon, and seen 100 of its levels.
You have visited Pandemonium 9 times, and seen 56 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 2 times.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You have collected 18237 gold pieces.
You have spent 10367 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 E - the +9,+9 Staff of Wucad Mu (weapon)
   (You found it on level 7 of Cocytus)
Armour
 a - the +2 helmet of Gitripta {rC++ Dam+4}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+4).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 m - the +2 leather armour "Dem Uth" {rC+ Int+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
 s - the +2 pair of gloves "Plog" (worn) {Int+3 Dam+3}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
 v - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
 x - a +2 pair of gauntlets of strength
 F - the +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {Hunger rElec Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It speeds your metabolism.
 J - a +3 elven buckler of protection (worn)
 P - the +0 pair of boots of Phema (worn) {Dex-2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
   It enhances your eyesight.
 T - a +8 fire dragon armour (worn)
 X - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 w - a wand of fire (10)
 z - a wand of teleportation (6)
 M - a wand of invisibility (6)
 O - a wand of hasting (8)
 Q - a wand of heal wounds (9)
Comestibles
 g - 6 meat rations
Scrolls
 b - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 i - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 l - 11 scrolls of recharging
 o - 10 scrolls of identify
 C - 2 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
 c - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 d - the ring "Qanieck" {rC+ SInv}
   (You took it off a yaktaur captain on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   It enhances your eyesight.
 e - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 j - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 p - the ring of the King {MR Int+4 Acc+5 Dam+5}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [ring of slaying]
   It affects your accuracy (+5).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 y - the brooch of Shielding (around neck) {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
 B - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
 G - a +6 ring of strength (left hand)
 K - the ring of Zikeudes {rPois Str+3 Int+2}
   (You took it off a yaktaur captain on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of poison resistance]
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
 W - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 Z - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
Potions
 h - 4 potions of brilliance
 q - 6 potions of restore abilities
 r - 10 potions of curing
 t - 4 potions of speed
 U - 4 potions of magic


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
   Level 0.2 Axes
   Level 0.3 Maces & Flails
 - Level 10.0 Staves
 - Level 18.7 Armour
 - Level 26.3 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 * Level 7.6 Shields
 - Level 8.5 Traps
 O Level 27 Spellcasting
 O Level 27 Conjurations
 - Level 18.0 Charms
   Level 4.3 Summonings
 - Level 22.4 Necromancy
 - Level 15.9 Translocations
 - Level 19.0 Transmutations
 O Level 27 Fire Magic
 O Level 27 Air Magic
 - Level 0.4 Earth Magic
 O Level 27 Evocations


You cannot memorise any spells.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Ring of Flames        Chrm/Fire      #########.   1%          7    None
b - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      #########.   1%          6    None
c - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       #########.   0%          6    None
d - Necromutation         Trmt/Necr      #########.   1%          8    None
e - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          7    None
f - Phase Shift           Tloc           #########.   1%          5    None
g - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      #########.   1%          9    None
h - Death's Door          Chrm/Necr      #########.   1%          8    None
j - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #########.   0%          2    None
m - Tornado               Air            #########.   1%          9    None
n - Haste                 Chrm           #########    1%          6    None
o - Dig                   Trmt/Erth      ########.    1%          4    None
p - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #########.   0%          3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
  Snake (5/5) Lair:4        Slime (6/6) Lair:6       Vaults (5/5) D:20
  Blade (1/1) Vaults:3      Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3
    Dis (7/7) Hell            Geh (0/7) Hell            Coc (7/7) Hell
    Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (5/5) D:27       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:4: *  D:14: =  D:16: [  D:21: ?  D:24: *  D:26: (  Orc:2: *
Orc:4: +*[(  Elf:3: ?  Snake:2: [*  Snake:3: +  Vaults:2: (
Vaults:3: *(!![

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:21 D:23 D:25 D:26 D:27
Pandemonium: D:24 D:25

Well, I'm about to go to Pan in search of a Zig. I appreciate the help of dassem, but it doesn't look like I'm going to get any other advice, so this is what I'm taking with me. I have access to rF+++, rC+++, rN+++ (necromutation), rMut, preservation, clarity, stasis, respectable Int and very high AC for a caster. My spells are all perfectly castable. I also have 14 free item slots for whatever I might find in there, although I hope I'm not packing too lightly. I'm wondering if I should be bringing more potions, but they just weigh so damn much. The speed potions are for when I don't want to risk magical contamination, although I don't know if I should be bringing more restore abilities or curing. I figure I'll find both in Pan and in the Ziggurat. My character isn't that strong, although I have a very high potential for carrying, I'd just have to sacrifice my Int boosts for that, which may end up being necessary.

Here we go...

[hxy]

Both speed potion and the haste spell glow you the same.
I'd rather not walk around with rC-.. swapping to that rC++ helmet will take a few turns.
Grab a wand of disintegration if you find it.. you might find some nasty statues in Zigs

[diviton]

Both speed potion and the haste spell glow you the same.
I'd rather not walk around with rC-.. swapping to that rC++ helmet will take a few turns.
Grab a wand of disintegration if you find it.. you might find some nasty statues in Zigs

That is good to now about speed. Thanks.

As for rC-, I'm not as worried about it because ring of flames neutralizes most ice attacks. I only have to worry about ice storm from Pan Lords, although I've never seen that.

And damn it! I forgot the disintegration wand and I meant to take one! I still haven't found a Zig though...

[diviton]

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266354 | Zig:1    | Entered Level 1 of a ziggurat
267059 | Zig:2    | Entered Level 2 of a ziggurat
267077 | Zig:2    | Got an antique book
267078 | Zig:2    | Identified the Catalogue of Earthen Shape Shifting (You found it on level 2 of a ziggurat)
267710 | Zig:3    | Entered Level 3 of a ziggurat
267798 | Zig:4    | Entered Level 4 of a ziggurat
267858 | Zig:5    | Entered Level 5 of a ziggurat
267898 | Zig:5    | Got a crude marble ring
267913 | Zig:5    | Identified the cursed ring "Kuzxioz" {Str+2 Dex-3} (You found it on level 5 of a ziggurat)
267958 | Zig:6    | Entered Level 6 of a ziggurat
268181 | Zig:7    | Entered Level 7 of a ziggurat
268342 | Zig:8    | Entered Level 8 of a ziggurat
268349 | Zig:8    | Noticed Fyireb the pandemonium lord
268351 | Zig:8    | Killed Fyireb the pandemonium lord
268407 | Zig:8    | Got a twitching steel ring
268417 | Zig:8    | Identified the ring of Griy {Contam rF+ rC+ rN+ Int+3} (You found it on level 8 of a ziggurat)
268624 | Zig:9    | Entered Level 9 of a ziggurat
268755 | Zig:10   | Entered Level 10 of a ziggurat
268774 | Zig:10   | Noticed a greater mummy
268777 | Zig:10   | Killed a greater mummy
268780 | Zig:10   | Killed a greater mummy
268790 | Zig:10   | Noticed a greater mummy
268791 | Zig:10   | Noticed a greater mummy
268792 | Zig:10   | Killed a greater mummy
268792 | Zig:10   | Killed a greater mummy
268997 | Zig:11   | Entered Level 11 of a ziggurat
269059 | Zig:11   | Got a twitching golden amulet
269087 | Zig:11   | Identified the amulet "Gedexiogh" {Gourm Str+3} (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)
269151 | Zig:12   | Entered Level 12 of a ziggurat
269242 | Zig:12   | Got a smoking jade ring
269253 | Zig:12   | Identified the ring "Quheqaw" {Hunger Str+2 Int-2} (You found it on level 12 of a ziggurat)
269285 | Zig:13   | Entered Level 13 of a ziggurat
269384 | Zig:13   | Got a twitching ivory amulet
269385 | Zig:13   | Identified the amulet of Satisfaction {Inacc Str+4 Int+3} (You found it on level 13 of a ziggurat)
269414 | Zig:13   | Got an inconspicuous book
269437 | Zig:13   | Identified the Catalogue of Lethal Poison (You found it on level 13 of a ziggurat)
269451 | Zig:14   | Entered Level 14 of a ziggurat
269703 | Zig:14   | Got a flickering amber ring
269709 | Zig:14   | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
269740 | Zig:14   | Got a vibrating brass ring
269750 | Zig:14   | Identified the ring of Skocs {Fire Str+2 Acc+5} (You found it on level 14 of a ziggurat)
269751 | Zig:14   | Identified the ring "Wepsesaa" {+Rage rN+ Dex+2} (You found it on level 14 of a ziggurat)
269782 | Zig:15   | Entered Level 15 of a ziggurat
269996 | Zig:15   | Got a flickering brass ring
270015 | Zig:15   | Identified the ring of Nemelex Xobeh's Scorn {SustAb +Blink} (You found it on level 15 of a ziggurat)
270027 | Zig:16   | Entered Level 16 of a ziggurat
270224 | Zig:17   | Entered Level 17 of a ziggurat
270627 | Zig:18   | Entered Level 18 of a ziggurat
270965 | Zig:19   | Entered Level 19 of a ziggurat
271176 | Zig:19   | Got a rare book
271177 | Zig:19   | Identified the Guide on Excruciating Feathers (You found it on level 19 of a ziggurat)
271185 | Zig:19   | Got a faintly humming chain mail
271216 | Zig:19   | Identified the cursed +0 chain mail "Forget-Me-Not" {Str+2 Stlth++} (You found it on level 19 of a ziggurat)
271259 | Zig:20   | Entered Level 20 of a ziggurat
271378 | Zig:20   | Got a wizard robe
271382 | Zig:20   | Identified the -2 robe of Wiom {+Fly} (You found it on level 20 of a ziggurat)
271387 | Zig:20   | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You took it off a draconian scorcher on level 20 of a ziggurat)
271412 | Zig:20   | Got a fine ruby amulet
271826 | Zig:21   | Entered Level 21 of a ziggurat
272027 | Zig:21   | Got a scintillating iron amulet
272042 | Zig:21   | Got a pitted steel ring
272047 | Zig:21   | Identified the amulet "Veirypti" {Gourm Str+3} (You found it on level 21 of a ziggurat)
272048 | Zig:21   | Identified the ring "Kiepn" {+/*TELE Dam+4} (You found it on level 21 of a ziggurat)
272217 | Zig:22   | Entered Level 22 of a ziggurat
272383 | Zig:22   | Got a twisted cloak
272388 | Zig:22   | Identified the cursed -1 cloak of the Desert {rPois} (You found it on level 22 of a ziggurat)
272388 | Zig:22   | Identified the cursed amulet of the Last Tales {rCorr rElec} (You found it on level 20 of a ziggurat)
272400 | Zig:23   | Entered Level 23 of a ziggurat
272665 | Zig:23   | Got a vibrating glass ring
272683 | Zig:23   | Identified the ring of Xablomih {+Fly rC- Acc+4} (You found it on level 23 of a ziggurat)
272704 | Zig:24   | Entered Level 24 of a ziggurat
272910 | Zig:24   | Gained mutation: You are dopey (Int -1). [mutagenic glow]
273114 | Zig:24   | Lost mutation: You are dopey (Int -1). [potion of cure mutation]
273350 | Zig:25   | Entered Level 25 of a ziggurat
273380 | Zig:25   | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
273475 | Zig:25   | Got a pitted steel amulet
273478 | Zig:25   | Reached skill level 15 in Invocations
273480 | Zig:25   | Got a faintly glowing steel ring
273498 | Zig:25   | Identified the ring "Raopligu" {Contam +Fly rElec rPois rF+ MR} (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)
273503 | Zig:25   | Got a fine crystal amulet
273504 | Zig:25   | Identified the amulet of Repivi Strir {Spirit rF+} (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)
273515 | Zig:25   | Got a distressingly furry robe
273547 | Zig:25   | Identified the +1 robe of Alirisis {rElec Dex+3 Int-4} (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)
273579 | Zig:26   | Entered Level 26 of a ziggurat
273764 | Zig:26   | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth
274035 | Zig:26   | Got a warped marble ring
274073 | Zig:26   | Got a steaming robe
274096 | Zig:26   | Identified the +0 robe of the Wasteland {rPois rF+ Acc+5} (You found it on level 26 of a ziggurat)
274278 | Zig:27   | Entered Level 27 of a ziggurat
274323 | Zig:27   | Reached skill level 27 in Armour
274324 | Zig:27   | Noticed Fosseacw the pandemonium lord
274326 | Zig:27   | Killed Fosseacw the pandemonium lord
274476 | Zig:27   | Got a heavily runed wooden ring
274514 | Zig:27   | Got a smoking granite ring
274515 | Zig:27   | Identified the ring of Smaufoa {+/*TELE Dex-1 Int+5} (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)


Huzzah! This is the first Ziggurat I've ever completed! As you can see, it wasn't a particularly challenging one. I encountered two Pan Lords in the entire thing, but I never got a "Pan Lord Floor", so that was a relief. I got two mummy floors, but they were both in the first 10 floors of the Zig, so it wasn't a problem. Although, with Necromutation, I feel confident I could have handled one later on. The only scary moment was when I learned what Mirror Damage looks like... Those stupid Deep Dwarves almost killed me. I quickly realized the little icon meant they were reflecting damage, so I tried to only hit the ones without it, but since Fire Storm has such a huge blast radius, I ended up hitting them off screen and I didn't realize even that would reflect back to me. I got to crazy low health, but I managed to kite around the large floor, but I probably did about 3-4 laps around the 24th Zig floor before I could finally pick enough of them off. Other than that, it was mostly smooth sailing and I bit anticlimactic.

Now that my feet are wet, I think I'm going to try and take on some more Zigs. I could easily go for the Orb right now as Zot:5 is cleared and Gehenna probably wouldn't be much of a problem, but I've done that already and raiding Zig's sounds like fun, even if my character goes down in glory.

[diviton]

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288718 | Zig:1    | Entered Level 1 of a ziggurat
288732 | Zig:2    | Entered Level 2 of a ziggurat
288756 | Zig:3    | Entered Level 3 of a ziggurat
288787 | Zig:4    | Entered Level 4 of a ziggurat
288827 | Zig:5    | Entered Level 5 of a ziggurat
288847 | Zig:5    | Got a transparent turquoise ring
288853 | Zig:5    | Identified the ring "Kluduv" {MR MP+9} (You found it on level 5 of a ziggurat)
288859 | Zig:6    | Entered Level 6 of a ziggurat
288917 | Zig:7    | Entered Level 7 of a ziggurat
288953 | Zig:7    | Got an encrusted leather armour
288962 | Zig:7    | Identified the cursed +0 leather armour of the End {Dex+3 Int-2} (You found it on level 7 of a ziggurat)
288978 | Zig:8    | Entered Level 8 of a ziggurat
289108 | Zig:8    | Got a glittering ivory amulet
289137 | Zig:9    | Entered Level 9 of a ziggurat
289174 | Zig:9    | Identified the amulet of the Hare {Inacc rC+} (You found it on level 8 of a ziggurat)
289218 | Zig:10   | Entered Level 10 of a ziggurat
289223 | Zig:10   | Noticed an orb of fire
289224 | Zig:10   | Noticed an orb of fire
289224 | Zig:10   | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [an orb of fire]
289231 | Zig:10   | Killed an orb of fire
289231 | Zig:10   | Killed an orb of fire
289232 | Zig:10   | Noticed an orb of fire
289233 | Zig:10   | Killed an orb of fire
289337 | Zig:10   | Got a jewelled shield
289350 | Zig:10   | Identified the +0 shield "Walustir" {Str+5 Dex+5 Curse} (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)
289374 | Zig:11   | Entered Level 11 of a ziggurat
289382 | Zig:11   | Noticed an orb of fire
289385 | Zig:11   | Noticed an orb of fire
289388 | Zig:11   | Killed an orb of fire
289389 | Zig:11   | Killed an orb of fire
289465 | Zig:11   | Lost mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [potion of cure mutation]
289501 | Zig:12   | Entered Level 12 of a ziggurat
289639 | Zig:12   | Got a fine marble ring
289645 | Zig:12   | Identified the ring "Agrexair" {Str+3 Dex+1} (You found it on level 12 of a ziggurat)
289665 | Zig:13   | Entered Level 13 of a ziggurat
289838 | Zig:13   | Got a thick robe
289857 | Zig:13   | Identified the +3 robe of Immorality {Dex+3 Int+1 Dam+6} (You found it on level 13 of a ziggurat)
289894 | Zig:14   | Entered Level 14 of a ziggurat
289965 | Zig:14   | Got a transparent lapis lazuli ring
290033 | Zig:15   | Entered Level 15 of a ziggurat
290210 | Zig:16   | Entered Level 16 of a ziggurat
290420 | Zig:16   | Got a sparkling brass ring
290431 | Zig:16   | Identified the ring of Kenugiox {rElec rF+ MR Stlth+} (You found it on level 14 of a ziggurat)
290432 | Zig:16   | Identified the ring of the Thistle {Wiz rElec Acc+5} (You found it on level 16 of a ziggurat)
290463 | Zig:16   | Got a shimmering leather armour
290478 | Zig:17   | Entered Level 17 of a ziggurat
290487 | Zig:17   | Noticed Dufukket the pandemonium lord
290490 | Zig:17   | Killed Dufukket the pandemonium lord
290494 | Zig:17   | Noticed Foariuzi the pandemonium lord
290497 | Zig:17   | Killed Ebusha Pugg the pandemonium lord
290498 | Zig:17   | Killed Foariuzi the pandemonium lord
290499 | Zig:17   | Noticed Ucefunah the pandemonium lord
290499 | Zig:17   | Noticed Sheelu the pandemonium lord
290500 | Zig:17   | Noticed Ruxeas the pandemonium lord
290500 | Zig:17   | Killed Sheelu the pandemonium lord
290501 | Zig:17   | Noticed Qoma the pandemonium lord
290503 | Zig:17   | Killed Ucefunah the pandemonium lord
290504 | Zig:17   | Noticed Guhuw the pandemonium lord
290504 | Zig:17   | Killed Ruxeas the pandemonium lord
290504 | Zig:17   | Killed Qoma the pandemonium lord
290505 | Zig:17   | Killed Guhuw the pandemonium lord
290507 | Zig:17   | Noticed Naget the pandemonium lord
290517 | Zig:17   | Killed Naget the pandemonium lord
290702 | Zig:17   | Got a transparent amber ring
290706 | Zig:17   | Identified the ring of Theuh {+Inv rN+ Dam-5} (You found it on level 17 of a ziggurat)
290720 | Zig:18   | Entered Level 18 of a ziggurat
290939 | Zig:19   | Entered Level 19 of a ziggurat
291125 | Zig:19   | Got an ancient tin amulet
291147 | Zig:19   | Identified the +0 leather armour of the Shining Light {Dex+4} (You found it on level 16 of a ziggurat)
291172 | Zig:20   | Entered Level 20 of a ziggurat
291266 | Zig:20   | Got a slimy sling
291308 | Zig:20   | Identified the amulet of the Kraken {rCorr rPois rN+ MR} (You found it on level 19 of a ziggurat)
291309 | Zig:20   | Identified the +7,+4 sling of Untruth {venom, rPois MR} (You found it on level 20 of a ziggurat)
291325 | Zig:21   | Entered Level 21 of a ziggurat
291340 | Zig:21   | Reached skill level 27 in Necromancy
291446 | Zig:21   | Got a transparent leather armour
291490 | Zig:21   | Identified the +1 leather armour of the Buccaneer {MR} (You found it on level 21 of a ziggurat)
291518 | Zig:22   | Entered Level 22 of a ziggurat
291557 | Zig:22   | Noticed Styetacs the pandemonium lord
291559 | Zig:22   | Killed Styetacs the pandemonium lord
291699 | Zig:22   | Got a pitted iron amulet
291712 | Zig:22   | Got a crude copper ring
291732 | Zig:22   | Identified the ring "Qodd" {EV+2 Str+1 Int-4} (You found it on level 22 of a ziggurat)
291732 | Zig:22   | Identified the amulet of Thagit {Stasis +Fly Acc-2} (You found it on level 22 of a ziggurat)
291764 | Zig:23   | Entered Level 23 of a ziggurat
292045 | Zig:24   | Entered Level 24 of a ziggurat
292230 | Zig:24   | Got a sparkling brass ring
292232 | Zig:24   | Got a scintillating lead ring
292238 | Zig:24   | Identified the ring of Cex Epung {SustAb rN+ Dam+6} (You found it on level 24 of a ziggurat)
292242 | Zig:24   | Identified the ring "Treug" {EV+3 Dex-5} (You found it on level 24 of a ziggurat)
292256 | Zig:25   | Entered Level 25 of a ziggurat
292511 | Zig:25   | Got a transparent leather armour
292566 | Zig:25   | Identified the +1 leather armour of Repulsion {rC+} (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)
292595 | Zig:26   | Entered Level 26 of a ziggurat
292611 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292612 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292615 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292615 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292615 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292615 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292616 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292616 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292625 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292625 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292627 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292627 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292627 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292627 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292629 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292631 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292633 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292634 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292637 | Zig:26   | Noticed an ancient lich
292638 | Zig:26   | Killed an ancient lich
292825 | Zig:26   | Got a heavily runed turquoise ring
292843 | Zig:26   | Identified the ring of Xanoim {+Inv rF+} (You found it on level 26 of a ziggurat)
292858 | Zig:27   | Entered Level 27 of a ziggurat
292890 | Zig:27   | Reached skill level 27 in Earth Magic
293032 | Zig:27   | Got a fine lead ring
293054 | Zig:27   | Got a pitted helmet
293063 | Zig:27   | Got a crude lead ring
293075 | Zig:27   | Identified the ring "Mnott" {+/*TELE +Inv rC+ rN+} (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)
293077 | Zig:27   | Identified the ring "Kigarep" {rPois Acc-2 SInv} (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)
293085 | Zig:27   | Got a warped cap
293089 | Zig:27   | Identified the +0 cap of the Crypt {Str+4 Dex+2} (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)
293092 | Zig:27   | Identified a +0 pair of boots of running (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)
293095 | Zig:27   | Identified the cursed -5 helmet of the Dragon {Int+3 Dam+5} (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)

Not that anyone cares, but I cleared a second Zig!This time I even got a Pan Lord floor with 9 Pan lords on it. This one was even easier, just because I had a better idea of how to handle them. I'm trying to rely less on Wucad Mu and get as much MP as I can from Vehumet's passive restoration. Wucad Mu is seriously broken, so I'd like to be able to beat a Zig without using it.

I've learned not to Fire Storm something the moment I see it, because this results in me needing to cast it more. If I can afford to take another step forward, I have been, since this will allow me to target more enemies, get more MP back and not have to fall back on Wucad Mu. I still had to evoke it a few times, although it's possible I wouldn't have needed to since I never used my potions of magic. Ah well, I'm no longer afraid of Ziggurats. At least not until I get a Pan Lord or Mummy floor on the 27th floor.

Does anyone know if the cost of a Zig entry has any relevance to either the loot quality or enemy difficulty? Or anything at all?

[dassem]

Yay! Well done!
I recently got a Mummy floor on the 23rd, which was fun.
After that, even Pan Lord floors seem easy. In fact the main risk you'll face now is complacency leading to poor choices.

Does anyone know if the cost of a Zig entry has any relevance to either the loot quality or enemy difficulty? Or anything at all?

I've also wondered this. Anyone know?

In my (limited) experience it did not. But there's such a random factor that it's hard to tell.
I also guess that some new creatures have come and gone in trunk. A few versions ago think I got a natural floor that had ghost moths and moths of suppression, which was tough in a different way, but I have not got a similar one since.

My opinion is that there could be some reward at the bottom of a Zig for completing it (besides the normal loot), such as enough gold to tempt you to try another. One way of doing that might be to limit scrolls of acquisition until a guaranteed one at the bottom, or somesuch.