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Slime Squisher

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Post Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 13:09

CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

I came across the wonderful Shield of Resistance in a Zig. How much will it affect my attack if I decide to use it?

  Code:
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0-9-gb634444 (webtiles) character file.

hubris the Grand Master (Demonspawn Monk)         Turns: 125378, Time: 08:22:58

HP 293/293 (325) AC 39     Str 24      XL: 27
MP  41/41        EV 34     Int 15      God: Jiyva [******]
Gold 6484        SH 23     Dex 21      Spells:  0 memorised, 26 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : .     - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : +   D - +10 pearl dragon armour
Life Prot.: + + +   Conserve   : .   M - +5 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR}
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : +   (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   R - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlt
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   m - +2 pair of gauntlets {Str+3}
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   l - amulet of Quit {Ward Str+4 Int+1}
Saprovore : . . .   Levitation : .   C - ring "Mimenwis" {rF+ rN+ Acc+2}
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   r - +6,+5 ring of slaying

@: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely stealthy
A: hooves 3, horns 1, blink 1, mutation resistance 1, nightstalker 3, poison
resistance, +30% hp, spiny 3, spit poison 1, acidic bite, +3 accuracy,
pseudopods 2, translucent skin 1, AC +11, Str +2, Int +3, Dex -5
a: Spit Poison, Blink, Request Jelly, Slimify, Cure Bad Mutation, Renounce
Religion
}: 8/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, abyssal, demonic, glowing,
gossamer


You are on level 11 of a ziggurat.
You worship Jiyva.
Jiyva is exalted by your worship.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and seen 77 of its levels.
You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 21 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 2 times.
You have visited 1 Ziggurat, and seen 11 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer, Bailey, Ice Cave and Wizlab.

You have collected 12383 gold pieces.
You have spent 779 gold pieces at shops.
You have used 5120 gold pieces for miscellaneous purposes.

Inventory:

Armour
 m - a +2 pair of gauntlets of strength (worn)
 u - the +2 helmet of Lugonu's Scorn {rF+}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
 D - a +10 pearl dragon armour (worn)
 M - the +5 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 R - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
   (You found it on level 24 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
Magical devices
 h - a wand of random effects
 j - a wand of digging (15)
 t - a wand of disintegration
 E - a wand of hasting (9)
 H - a wand of teleportation (4)
 N - a wand of teleportation (6)
 Q - a wand of digging
 T - a wand of teleportation (6)
 Z - a wand of digging (9)
Comestibles
 n - 11 meat rations
 v - 3 bread rations
 z - 5 royal jellies
Scrolls
 b - 5 scrolls of blinking
 d - 9 scrolls of identify
 i - 4 scrolls of recharging
 p - 8 scrolls of teleportation
 q - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 w - 4 scrolls of enchant armour
 x - 3 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of life protection
 f - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 k - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 l - the amulet of Quit (around neck) {Ward Str+4 Int+1}
   (You took it off a crimson imp in Pandemonium)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
 r - a +6,+5 ring of slaying (left hand)
 y - a cursed amulet of clarity
 C - the ring "Mimenwis" (right hand) {rF+ rN+ Acc+2}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your accuracy (+2).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 G - the ring of Music {rC++ MP+9 Str+3}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 I - the amulet of Plog {Gourm rC+ Str+2 Acc+4}
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of the gourmand]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your accuracy (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
 L - the amulet of the Air {cFly +Lev rElec EV+3 Stlth++}
   (You took it off a deep dwarf artificer on level 6 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of controlled flight]
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you levitate.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 V - the ring of Ofra {cTele +Lev MR SInv}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [ring of teleport control]
   
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you levitate.
Potions
 a - 8 potions of heal wounds
 c - a potion of berserk rage
 s - 3 potions of speed
 A - 19 potions of curing
 F - a potion of agility
 P - 3 potions of cure mutation
 S - 2 potions of resistance
Miscellaneous
 J - a legendary deck of dungeons {the Trowel}
 K - a legendary deck of war {Velocity}
Rods
 g - a +2 rod of destruction [ice] (12/12)
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 o - a cursed +3 rod of demonology (11/11)
   (You found it in Pandemonium)
 B - a +4 rod of destruction [inacc,magma,cold] (13/13)
   (You acquired it on level 24 of the Dungeon)
 O - a +5 rod of summoning (14/14)
   (You acquired it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 * Level 17,7 Armour
 + Level 24,8 Dodging
 + Level 10,9 Stealth
 - Level 15,8 Traps & Doors
 O Level 27 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 12,8 Invocations
 - Level 19,0 Evocations


You have 26 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:13          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
 Spider (5/5) Lair:3        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (8/8) D:17
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:6      Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3
    Zot (2/5) D:27
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Slime Squisher

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Post Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 14:30

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

A little update. Using a shield seemed to impair my attack quite a bit. So I only had it on for the Cerebov fight.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0-9-gb634444 (webtiles) character file.

hubris the Grand Master (Demonspawn Monk)         Turns: 130522, Time: 09:07:26

HP 298/298 (325) AC 47     Str 22      XL: 27
MP  36/36        EV 44     Int  9 (10) God: Jiyva [******]
Gold 3631        SH  0     Dex 24      Spells:  0 memorised, 26 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : +     - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : +   D - +10 pearl dragon armour
Life Prot.: + + +   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : +   u - +2 helmet of Lugonu's Scorn {rF+}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   R - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlt
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   m - +2 pair of gauntlets {Str+3}
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: +   W - brooch of Shielding {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
Saprovore : . . .   Levitation : .   C - ring "Mimenwis" {rF+ rN+ Acc+2}
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   r - +6,+5 ring of slaying

@: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely stealthy
A: fangs 1, hooves 3, see invisible, blink 1, carnivore 1, -10% mp, mutation
resistance 1, nightstalker 3, poison resistance, +30% hp, slow metabolism 1,
spiny 3, spit poison 2, teleport control, +3 accuracy, pseudopods 2, AC +11, EV
+1, Int +3, Dex -2
a: Spit Poison, Blink, Request Jelly, Slimify, Cure Bad Mutation, Renounce
Religion
}: 10/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, abyssal, demonic, glowing,
fiery, dark, gossamer


You are in Pandemonium.
You worship Jiyva.
Jiyva is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and seen 77 of its levels.
You have visited Pandemonium 3 times, and seen 34 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 2 times.
You have visited 2 Ziggurats, and seen 23 of their levels (deepest: 12).
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer, Bailey, Ice Cave and Wizlab.

You have collected 13330 gold pieces.
You have spent 779 gold pieces at shops.
You have used 8920 gold pieces for miscellaneous purposes.

Inventory:

Armour
 m - a +2 pair of gauntlets of strength (worn)
 u - the +2 helmet of Lugonu's Scorn (worn) {rF+}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
 D - a +10 pearl dragon armour (worn)
 M - the +5 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 R - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
   (You found it on level 24 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
Magical devices
 h - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 j - a wand of digging (15)
 y - a wand of teleportation
 E - a wand of hasting (7)
 H - a wand of teleportation (7)
 N - a wand of teleportation (6)
 T - a wand of teleportation (6)
Comestibles
 n - 11 meat rations
 v - 3 bread rations
 z - 5 royal jellies
Scrolls
 b - 9 scrolls of blinking
 d - 4 scrolls of identify
 i - 3 scrolls of recharging
 p - 12 scrolls of teleportation
 q - 15 scrolls of remove curse
 x - 5 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 e - the cursed ring of Omimiz {Str+4 Int+3 Dam+5}
   (You took it off a spriggan defender on level 9 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+5).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 f - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 k - an ancient copper ring
 r - a +6,+5 ring of slaying (left hand)
 w - a wavering iron ring
 C - the ring "Mimenwis" (right hand) {rF+ rN+ Acc+2}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your accuracy (+2).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 G - the ring of Music {rC++ MP+9 Str+3}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 I - the amulet of Plog {Gourm rC+ Str+2 Acc+4}
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of the gourmand]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your accuracy (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
 L - the amulet of the Air {cFly +Lev rElec EV+3 Stlth++}
   (You took it off a deep dwarf artificer on level 6 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of controlled flight]
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you levitate.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 V - the ring of Ofra {cTele +Lev MR SInv}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [ring of teleport control]
   
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you levitate.
 W - the brooch of Shielding (around neck) {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
Potions
 a - 6 potions of heal wounds
 c - a potion of berserk rage
 s - 3 potions of speed
 A - 22 potions of curing
 S - 2 potions of resistance
Miscellaneous
 J - a legendary deck of dungeons {drawn: 10}
 K - a legendary deck of war {Velocity}
Rods
 g - a +2 rod of destruction [ice] (12/12)
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 l - a +6 rod of striking (7/7)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
 o - a +3 rod of demonology (11/11)
   (You found it in Pandemonium)
 t - a rod of demonology
   (You took it off a balrug in Pandemonium)
 O - a +5 rod of summoning (14/14)
   (You acquired it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 X - a +5 lightning rod (12/12)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
 Y - a +4 rod of venom (9/9)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 + Level 17,9 Armour
 + Level 26,0 Dodging
 - Level 10,9 Stealth
   Level 14,1 Shields
 - Level 15,8 Traps & Doors
 O Level 27 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 12,8 Invocations
 - Level 19,0 Evocations


You have 26 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:13          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
 Spider (5/5) Lair:3        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (8/8) D:17
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:6      Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3
    Zot (2/5) D:27       
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Post Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 18:44

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

Anyway, the shield proved to be quite useful against the Orbs of Fire. That must have been the first time I was auto-fighting 3 Orbs at the same time with no rMut amulet.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0-9-gb634444 (webtiles) character file.

11265089 hubris the Grand Master (level 27, 301/301 (325) HPs)
             Began as a Demonspawn Monk on Feb 19, 2013.
             Was the Champion of Jiyva.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Feb 20, 2013!
             
             The game lasted 10:34:55 (145321 turns).

hubris the Grand Master (Demonspawn Monk)         Turns: 145321, Time: 10:34:55

HP 301/301 (325) AC 56     Str 22      XL: 27
MP  41/41        EV 47     Int  9      God: Jiyva [******]
Gold 7130        SH 42     Dex 30      Spells:  0 memorised, 26 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : +     - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : +   D - +10 pearl dragon armour
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .   M - +5 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR}
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : +   u - +2 helmet of Lugonu's Scorn {rF+}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   R - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlt
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   m - +2 pair of gauntlets {Str+3}
Res.Mut.  : +       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: x   W - brooch of Shielding {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
Saprovore : . . .   Levitation : .   e - ring of Omimiz {Str+4 Int+3 Dam+5}
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   r - +6,+5 ring of slaying

@: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: fangs 1, hooves 3, see invisible, blink 1, carnivore 1, mutation resistance
3, nightstalker 3, poison resistance, +30% hp, slow metabolism 1, spiny 3, spit
poison 2, teleport control, wild magic 1, AC +10, Str +1, Dex -2
a: Spit Poison, Blink, Request Jelly, Slimify, Cure Bad Mutation, Renounce
Religion
}: 15/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian, icy, bone,
abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped Jiyva.
Jiyva was exalted by your worship.
You were completely stuffed.

You visited 17 branches of the dungeon, and saw 109 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 3 times, and saw 37 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 2 times.
You visited 2 Ziggurats, and saw 23 of their levels (deepest: 12).
You also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer, Bailey, Ice Cave and Wizlab.

You collected 16829 gold pieces.
You spent 779 gold pieces at shops.
You used 8920 gold pieces for miscellaneous purposes.

Inventory:

Armour
 m - a +2 pair of gauntlets of strength (worn)
 u - the +2 helmet of Lugonu's Scorn (worn) {rF+}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
 v - the +3 salamander hide armour {+Rage rF++}
   (You found it on level 7 of Tartarus)   
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It lets you go berserk.
 D - a +10 pearl dragon armour (worn)
 M - the +5 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 R - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
   (You found it on level 24 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
Magical devices
 h - a wand of heal wounds (6)
 j - a wand of digging (13)
 y - a wand of teleportation (4)
 E - a wand of hasting (3)
 H - a wand of teleportation (6)
 N - a wand of teleportation (5)
 T - a wand of teleportation (6)
Comestibles
 n - 11 meat rations
 z - 4 royal jellies
Scrolls
 b - 9 scrolls of blinking
 d - 6 scrolls of identify
 i - a scroll of fear
 l - a scroll of recharging
 q - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 x - 4 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 e - the ring of Omimiz (right hand) {Str+4 Int+3 Dam+5}
   (You took it off a spriggan defender on level 9 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+5).
 f - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 r - a +6,+5 ring of slaying (left hand)
 C - the ring "Mimenwis" {rF+ rN+ Acc+2}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your accuracy (+2).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 G - the ring of Music {rC++ MP+9 Str+3}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 L - the amulet of the Air {cFly +Lev rElec EV+3 Stlth++}
   (You took it off a deep dwarf artificer on level 6 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of controlled flight]
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you levitate.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 V - the cursed ring of Ofra {cTele +Lev MR SInv}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [ring of teleport control]
   
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you levitate.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 W - the brooch of Shielding (around neck) {Ward AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
Potions
 a - 2 potions of heal wounds
 c - a potion of berserk rage
 k - 2 potions of might
 p - a potion of restore abilities
 s - 3 potions of speed
 A - 16 potions of curing
Orbs of Power
 w - the Orb of Zot
Miscellaneous
 K - a legendary deck of war {drawn: 1}
Rods
 g - a cursed +2 rod of destruction [ice] (12/12)
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 o - a +3 rod of demonology (11/11)
   (You found it in Pandemonium)
 t - a cursed +8 rod of demonology (10/10)
   (You took it off a balrug in Pandemonium)


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 * Level 26,6 Armour
 O Level 27 Dodging
 - Level 10,9 Stealth
 * Level 22,2 Shields
 - Level 15,8 Traps & Doors
 O Level 27 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 12,8 Invocations
 - Level 19,0 Evocations


You had 26 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

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Post Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 23:14

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

When did you start worshipping Jiyva? Did you convert when you found the altar? Or did you wait until a certain point? Or worship someone else first and then convert at some point?
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Post Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 23:28

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

I started with Oka, but did not receive anything useful.

Then after having cleared everything, except Slime, Zot, Tomb, Hell and Pan I made the switch. There was an altar in Lair thankfully. In my previous game (OpFi) I had to sneak all the way down to Slime 5 and convert to Jiyva.

However when you are on Tomb:3 jellies will spawn randomly on the level, possibly near the loot. It might be a good idea (or not) to take Tomb first before converting.

Converting to Jiyva early is a bad idea as most of the consumables and items available will get eaten.
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Post Thursday, 21st February 2013, 03:03

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

starless wrote:Converting to Jiyva early is a bad idea as most of the consumables and items available will get eaten.


I have to disagree; you'll still be getting most of the consumables, and an average +7-8 penalty-free AC from mutations from late-early game onward is worth every lost one on a caster. Not to mention HP regen, MP regen, hunger avoidance... You can spam 6 hash hunger spells and not worry about it.

Early Jiyva is quite strong; probably stronger than Sif or Mahkleb. Much much stronger than cheibriados.
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Post Thursday, 21st February 2013, 06:45

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

Perhaps you are right, I've never tried that. But it seems to me on levels with a lot of loot, like Vault:8 ot Elf:3, most stuff will get eaten long before you manage to get to it.
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Post Thursday, 21st February 2013, 15:40

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

There's a jiyva ability that lets you paralyze slimes and jellies temporarily, i think; you can use that when you see something good but a jelly might get to it first. out of line of sight...not sure what will help, but you're playing a monk, no? that should reduce your item dependency some.
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Post Thursday, 21st February 2013, 15:57

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

First off, I want to say, SLIME FOR THE SLIME GOD!

I'm not so sure about early Jivya for a caster though, because the jellies will eat most of the books on the ground. Consider it highly unlikely that you'll be getting any books that aren't in Slime 5 if you worship Her Squelching Majesty.

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Post Thursday, 21st February 2013, 16:03

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

While it's true Jiyva can drop a jelly unprompted, most of the time, it's going to be you that initiated the jelly coming into the level. So long as you do not call/create a jelly and you clear the level reasonably quickly, you should not be having lack-of-loot issues. That and there's randarts, even for books, which don't get eaten.

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Post Thursday, 21st February 2013, 16:17

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

I hear you Psi, but from experience, playing a caster of Jiyva is going to seriously limit the amount of spells you have access to. Not that you can't do it, but it is far from an ideal pairing.

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Post Friday, 22nd February 2013, 20:35

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

The biggest synergy Jiyva has with casters is food. You can spam your level 6 nukes as soon as you get them online, and never worry about hunger. Even on a spriggan. That makes up for a lot, and if you've got a level 5-6 spell in you starting book, you're almost guaranteed to be able use it to reach slime 6 for a better spell.
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Post Friday, 22nd February 2013, 22:23

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

One problem I have with early Jiyva is the experience stealing.
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Post Friday, 22nd February 2013, 22:40

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

starless wrote:A little update. Using a shield seemed to impair my attack quite a bit. So I only had it on for the Cerebov fight.


lol, it was a significant impairment, therefore use it only for the hardest fight in the game? :P

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Post Friday, 22nd February 2013, 23:43

Re: CIP: Melee DSMO of Jiyva, shield or no shield?

Well, it had rF+ on it... That makes it noticeably better against Cerebov than in general.
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