TeGl: Need advice on building my character

Monday, 10th December 2012, 16:01 by Raven

I was planning on going Ranged and building my character by pumping strength, etc. Then I found this very nice ring: the ring "Twemit Edwom" (left hand) {Wiz rElec rPois rF+ Str+4 SInv}

The ring is very tempting to switch to Conjurations and play Reaver style, but is it worth it?

Here's my char sheet.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0-9-gb634444 (webtiles) character file. Raven the Impaler (Tengu Gladiator) Turns: 9507, Time: 01:35:23 HP 62/62 AC 17 Str 22 XL: 11 Next: 7% MP 11/15 EV 13 Int 10 God: Okawaru [*****.] Gold 464 SH 0 Dex 14 Spells: 0 memorised, 10 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + O - +5,+0 trident "Olicod" {slay drac, Stlth++ Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . E - +2 scale mail {MR} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . R - +2 wizard hat Res.Elec. : + Clarity : . v - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . X - +1 pair of dwarf gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: x I - amulet of the gourmand Gourmand : + Levitation : + n - ring of poison resistance Ctrl.Flight: + S - ring "Twemit Edwom" {Wiz rElec rPois rF+ S @: flying, very slightly contaminated, hasted, heroism, very quick, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: able to fly, beak, talons 3 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are in a labyrinth. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 11 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth. You have collected 444 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons O - the +5,+0 trident "Olicod" (weapon) {slay drac, Stlth++} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) This legendary weapon is deadly to all dragonkind. It also provides some protection from the breath attacks of dragons and other creatures. It makes you much more stealthy. Y - the +5,+6 spear "Nodd" {freeze, rC- Str+3 SInv} (You found it in a labyrinth) It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures. It affects your strength (+3). It makes you vulnerable to cold. It enhances your eyesight. Missiles e - a throwing net [falling apart] g - 13 stones h - 14 poisoned bolts l - 2 darts m - 10 javelins p - 104 bolts q - 7 poisoned darts x - a throwing net (quivered) P - 10 exploding darts V - 20 steel darts Armour v - a +0 cloak (worn) E - a +2 scale mail of magic resistance (worn) R - a +2 wizard hat (worn) X - a +1 pair of dwarven gloves (worn) Magical devices B - an encrusted ivory wand C - a wand of hasting {zapped: 2} K - a wand of magic darts (9) L - a wand of slowing {zapped: 5} Z - an encrusted bronze wand Comestibles f - 6 bread rations M - 3 meat rations Scrolls d - 3 scrolls labeled XUITI HURAIWN i - 2 scrolls labeled BRECWYZIGH k - a scroll labeled LECZISHOSIO o - 2 scrolls labeled OBREUJ HOIGH r - 3 scrolls labeled SCHEFORPHO PIME t - a scroll labeled CRICYK QOSM y - 5 scrolls of remove curse D - 3 scrolls of teleportation G - a scroll labeled ZESAOS OTHREATA {tried on +2 wizard hat} H - a scroll labeled GEASOAHEU Jewellery j - a notched bronze ring n - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) s - an uncursed ring of protection from fire w - a cursed amulet of stasis I - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck) Q - an uncursed ring of see invisible S - the ring "Twemit Edwom" (left hand) {Wiz rElec rPois rF+ Str+4 SInv} (You found it in a labyrinth) [ring of wizardry] It affects your strength (+4). It protects you from fire. It insulates you from electricity. It protects you from poison. It enhances your eyesight. Potions b - 3 potions of heal wounds c - a potion of might u - a glowing cyan potion z - a potion of agility A - a pink potion F - 2 orange potions J - a potion of berserk rage N - 7 potions of curing U - a potion of speed W - a potion of restore abilities Books T - a metal-bound book Skills: + Level 4,7(9,7) Fighting + Level 15,9(20,9) Polearms - Level 2,1(7,1) Throwing + Level 5,8(10,8) Armour - Level 2,1(7,1) Dodging Level 1,0(6,0) Shields - Level 1,0 Evocations You have 10 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/27) Temple (0/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:9 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Vehumet Xom Annotations D:9 Erolcha D:10 Josephine Lab Vortex's ghost, powerful TrEE Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can fly. You have a beak for a mouth. You have claws for feet. Message History The +5,+6 spear "Nodd" {freeze, rC- Str+3 SInv} stops glowing. You feel a sudden desire to slay dragons! O - the +5,+0 trident "Olicod" (weapon) {slay drac, Stlth++} There are several objects here. Pick up a club? ((y)es/(n)o/(a)ll/(m)enu/*?g,/q) Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Wearing a smoking brass ring. You're wearing two rings. Remove which one? (s/n/</>/Esc) < or s - a ring of protection from fire > or n - a ring of poison resistance You remove your ring of protection from fire. You feel stronger. S - a smoking brass ring (left hand) {tried, Str+4} Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Identify which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust. S - the ring "Twemit Edwom" (left hand) {Wiz rElec rPois rF+ Str+4 SInv} Clearing level map. Clearing level map. 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Vanquished Creatures A minotaur (Lab) 3 hill giants (D:10) Maurice (D:9) Psyche (D:10) A hippogriff (D:4) Eustachio (D:4) 4 yaks (D:10) Edmund (D:6) A manticore (D:10) Menkaure (D:7) A necrophage (D:8) 3 sky beasts A phantom (D:7) 5 ogres 3 centaurs A big kobold (D:9) A two-headed ogre zombie (D:10) 10 giant frogs Blork the orc (D:6) 3 killer bees (D:10) A vampire bat (D:4) 4 crimson imps A spider (D:8) A goliath beetle (D:9) A big kobold skeleton (D:7) A quasit (D:11) A hound zombie (D:8) 5 hounds 2 hound skeletons 5 iguanas A shadow (D:11) A scorpion (D:8) A worker ant (D:8) Ijyb (D:2) 4 jellies Terence (D:3) 3 gnolls (D:4) 6 adders A green rat (D:4) 2 iguana skeletons (D:8) A scorpion zombie (D:6) A giant mite (D:4) An inept item mimic (D:5) 4 worms 2 spectral bats (D:4) A bat simulacrum (D:4) 3 bat skeletons (D:4) A bat zombie (D:4) 3 fire bats (D:4) A giant eyeball (D:8) 4 giant geckos 4 oozes 8 orcs 23 bats 5 giant cockroaches 6 goblins 16 hobgoblins 10 jackals 23 kobolds 3 quokkas A giant gecko skeleton (D:4) 6 giant newts A giant spore (D:10) 2 hobgoblin skeletons 20 rats A rat skeleton (D:5) A ballistomycete (D:10) A toadstool (D:2) 240 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A crimson imp (D:7) A hound (D:7) An orc (D:9) A giant gecko (D:7) 2 giant newts A rat (D:3) 5 toadstools 12 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 252 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Raven, the Tengu Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 0/0 406 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 2/2 440 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms 1081 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/22 MP: 3/3 1338 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 1359 | D:2 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 1375 | D:2 | Noticed Ijyb 1400 | D:2 | Killed Ijyb 1400 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 12/28 MP: 4/4 2077 | D:3 | HP: 1/28 [poisoned by a kobold] 2215 | D:3 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 2267 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 2286 | D:3 | Killed Terence 2286 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 2386 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 32/32 MP: 6/6 2702 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 2798 | D:4 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 2820 | D:4 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2825 | D:4 | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 2848 | D:4 | Noticed Eustachio 2870 | D:4 | Killed Eustachio 2870 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 2870 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 22/36 MP: 4/7 3167 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/40 MP: 8/8 3345 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3367 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3367 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 3542 | D:4 | Acquired Okawaru's first power 3576 | D:4 | Got an ancient trident 3577 | D:4 | Identified the cursed trident "Olicod" {slay drac, Stlth++} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) 3624 | D:4 | Noticed a hippogriff 3635 | D:4 | Killed a hippogriff 4095 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4174 | D:5 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 4280 | D:5 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 4382 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 4382 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 46/46 MP: 10/10 4443 | D:5 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 4587 | D:5 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 4806 | D:6 | Noticed Blork the orc 4826 | D:6 | Killed Blork the orc 5018 | D:6 | Noticed Edmund 5042 | D:6 | Killed Edmund 5042 | D:6 | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms 5514 | D:7 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 5912 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 48/50 MP: 12/12 5991 | D:7 | Noticed Menkaure 6003 | D:7 | Killed Menkaure 6003 | D:7 | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms 6003 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 6029 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6526 | D:8 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 6926 | D:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms 7499 | D:9 | Noticed Maurice 7520 | D:9 | Killed Maurice 7559 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 7571 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 7716 | D:10 | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms 7783 | D:10 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 7794 | D:10 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 52/55 MP: 13/13 7815 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 7830 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 7830 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 7891 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 8057 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 8465 | D:10 | Noticed Psyche 8484 | D:10 | Killed Psyche 8708 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms 8805 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 8819 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 8831 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 9102 | D:10 | Noticed Josephine 9102 | D:10 | Noticed a griffon zombie 9225 | D:11 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 9233 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 9302 | Lab | Noticed Vortex's ghost (powerful TrEE) 9473 | Lab | Noticed a minotaur 9489 | Lab | Killed a minotaur 9489 | Lab | Acquired Okawaru's second power 9489 | Lab | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 9489 | Lab | Reached XP level 11. HP: 62/62 MP: 10/15 9498 | Lab | Got a smoking brass ring 9499 | Lab | Got an ebony spear 9501 | Lab | Identified the cursed spear "Nodd" {freeze, rC- Str+3 SInv} (You found it in a labyrinth) 9506 | Lab | Identified the ring "Twemit Edwom" {Str+4} (You found it in a labyrinth)

Monday, 10th December 2012, 16:07 by Psieye

Hmm, to me that's more an invitation for you to learn charms sooner rather than later. Don't rush to conjurations, though maybe getting meph might be useful. Do not let your melee skills fall too far behind because you got distracted with some magic training. Maybe by the time you're at D:17 and have a glaive/halberd at good delay is an appropriate time to think about having conjurations for the purpose of dealing damage.

Oh btw, use code tags, not spoiler tags.

Monday, 10th December 2012, 16:24 by Raven

Thank you for the correction.

Well, what I was planning on doing was get a blessed Bardiche and use a Vorpal Crossbow to use penetration bolts to pierce through stuff.

Does seem like getting Charms is a viable option at the least, but training all the other stuff seems like a pain if I include Charms.

Monday, 10th December 2012, 16:33 by Psieye

Well, put it this way: Wiz only helps with spell success, it doesn't help with spell power and spell hunger - these latter two depend greatly on Int. You could get conjurations online but they'd be weak and make you hungry fast, which in turn translates to less corpses sacrificed. Now Okawaru wants quality over quantity so that's not as much an issue but still, you wouldn't get much benefit out of conjurations in exchange for jeopardising your (solid) endgame plan by dying from "did not have enough killing power by this point in the game".

Charms on the other hand, are cast infrequently (compared to conjurations) and it doesn't matter too much if the duration is low as the fight should be over soon. Translocations is the other possible school you could look into. It sounds like you want to go for extended, in which case you'll eventually be swimming in EXP so you can get say, Tornado online together with your holy melee and penetration crossbow.

Monday, 10th December 2012, 16:41 by Raven

Actually that seems like a good and solid plan. I don't think I'll be getting charms and translocations for a while though consider my apts... Getting Tornado will seem like a great pain though.

I think I only need one last advice: is how to train my skills. How can I make good room for my spells and spellcasting?

Monday, 10th December 2012, 16:52 by Psieye

Well, my approach would be "stop 5 levels before min delay for weapon skill" and rely on Heroism to reach there for any serious fight. That should free up the EXP you need to get some basic spells online. Charms/Transloc skill is more important than training spellcasting if you have enough slots. Dodging to 10, Armour to 10 and Fighting to 12 or so sounds about right before Heroism. Hopefully by this point, you've found some dragon armour so you get the best of both armour worlds.

Monday, 10th December 2012, 17:07 by JeffQyzt

Also - I'll just throw this out there since you're XP11 and haven't done it yet -> read-ID those scrolls, and use-ID those wands!

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