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Swamp Slogger

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Joined: Thursday, 15th November 2012, 02:12

Post Thursday, 15th November 2012, 02:39

YASD DsBe: Brothers are bullies

I was playing my first Beserker for a while and thought I'd go for a Ds for the heck of it.

Anyway several dungeons later I acquired the rotting resist/cloud mutation and that made life somewhat more easy. So I got to Orc:4 after completing the lair and got the Ogre/Troll/Cyclops party ending.
All's well and Good until I bump into a group ( several ogres and a troll) and decided me ,zerked, and a BiA could easily take them out. BiA got me a Stone Giant but it moved onto a cloud of pestilance and decided I was at fault and belted me to death in 2 turns.

I assume this is merely a hidden gotcha, not a bug but just checking.
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.0 (tiles) character file.

61647 Seraphax the Basher (level 14, -6/166 HPs)
             Began as a Demonspawn Berserker on Nov 14, 2012.
             Was the Champion of Trog.
             Mangled by a stone giant (48 damage)
             ... summoned by the player character
             ... on Level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
             The game lasted 01:24:41 (24474 turns).

Seraphax the Basher (Demonspawn Berserker)         Turns: 24474, Time: 01:24:41

HP  -6/166       AC 31     Str 26      XL: 14   Next: 31%
MP  19/19        EV  9     Int  7      God: Trog [******]
Gold 2318        SH  0     Dex 16      Spells:  0 memorised, 13 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .   w - +0,+6 great mace (protect) {god gift}
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   f - +3 dwarf plate armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   e - +0 wizard hat
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   Z - +1 cloak {MR}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   E - +0 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : +       Ctrl.Telep.: .   X - necklace of Bloodlust {*Rage +Rage MR Str+
Saprovore : + . .   Levitation : .   a - ring of protection from fire
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   G - ring of sustenance

@: berserking, mildly poisoned, very quick, very resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: hooves 3, foul stench 1, saprovore 1, spiny 2, AC +2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Berserk Rage


You were on level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 24 of its levels.
You also visited: Ice Cave and Volcano.

You collected 2298 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 g - the cursed +5,+5 hand axe "Saroiclu" (quivered) {distort, +Lev MR}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It warps and distorts space around it. Unwielding it can cause banishment or
   high damage.
   
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It lets you levitate.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 k - a +4,+4 anti-magic executioner's axe {god gift}
 o - the -1,-3 glaive "Daowiphy" {god gift, venom, SInv}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It poisons the flesh of those it strikes.
   
   It enhances your eyesight.
 w - a +0,+6 great mace of protection (weapon) {god gift}
 z - a +0,+4 anti-magic great mace {god gift}
 L - a +4,+1 anti-magic dire flail {god gift}
 M - the +4,+6 flail of Doom {crush, Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
Armour
 b - a +0 animal skin
 e - a +0 wizard hat (worn)
 f - a +3 dwarven plate armour (worn)
 h - a +0 elven ring mail
 p - a +0 ice dragon hide
 t - a +0 pair of boots
 E - a +0 pair of gauntlets (worn)
 U - a +0 cloak
 Z - a +1 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 c - a wand of magic darts (10)
 n - a wand of frost (11)
 v - a wand of fireball (0)
 A - a wand of digging (7)
 S - a wand of draining (2)
 Y - a wand of frost (6)
Comestibles
 j - 9 meat rations
 O - 2 royal jellies
Scrolls
 d - 3 scrolls of fear
 i - 7 scrolls of remove curse
 r - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 y - a scroll of identify
 H - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I
Jewellery
 a - a ring of protection from fire (right hand)
 l - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand {unknown}
 m - the amulet "Gaps" {+Rage rF+}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   [amulet of rage]
   
   It protects you from fire.
 B - the amulet of Magikiac {Gourm +Rage SInv}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of the gourmand]
   
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you go berserk.
 G - a ring of sustenance (left hand)
 P - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
 X - the necklace of Bloodlust (around neck) {*Rage +Rage MR Str+2 Int-2 Dam+5 Stlth- Curse}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [amulet of rage]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+5).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It makes you angry.
   It may recurse itself.
   It makes you less stealthy.
Potions
 q - a potion of paralysis {unknown}
 s - 2 potions of brilliance {unknown}
 x - a potion of poison {unknown}
 D - 4 potions of resistance {unknown}
 N - a potion of restore abilities {unknown}
 Q - 3 potions of degeneration {unknown}
 R - a potion of might {unknown}
 T - a potion of agility {unknown}
 V - a potion of cure mutation {unknown}


   Skills:
 + Level 12.3 Fighting
 + Level 7.0 Axes
 + Level 14.3 Maces & Flails
 + Level 1.5 Throwing
 * Level 13.7 Armour
 + Level 9.5 Dodging
 + Level 3.1 Stealth
 + Level 2.3 Stabbing
 + Level 2.6 Traps & Doors
 + Level 3.0 Evocations


You had 13 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
 Spider (0/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:4: [  D:5: =  Orc:4: ==


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
You are mostly covered in slimy green scales (AC +2).
You emit a foul stench, and are resistant to rotting and decay.
You can tolerate rotten meat.
You are mostly covered in sharp spines.


Message History

Your stone giant is engulfed in dark miasma.
Your stone giant is poisoned.
The stone giant closely misses you.
The hill giant is engulfed in dark miasma.
The hill giant is poisoned. The hill giant seems to slow down.
The hill giant hits you with a giant club!
You bludgeon the hill giant!! You kick the hill giant!
The hill giant is severely wounded.
The stone giant is engulfed in dark miasma.
The stone giant looks even sicker. The stone giant hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The stone giant is engulfed in dark miasma.
The stone giant looks even sicker. The stone giant seems to slow down. The stone giant closely misses you.
Things that are here:
an orcish hand axe; a dire flail; an ogre corpse
You completely miss the rock troll. You kick the rock troll!
The rock troll is lightly wounded.
The stone giant is engulfed in dark miasma.
The stone giant looks even sicker. The stone giant hits you!
You die...

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You could see a stone giant (berserk), a rock troll, a hill giant and 2 trolls.

Vanquished Creatures
  A dire elephant (Lair:8)
  7 hydras
  2 ice dragons (IceCv)
  An ogre mage (Orc:4)
  Harold (Lair:1)
  9 death yaks
  A catoblepas (Lair:5)
  3 giant amoebae (Lair:6)
  A wolf spider (Lair:4)
  2 hill giants
  A statue (D:9)
  6 black mambas
  16 elephants
  14 spiny frogs
  A queen ant (D:8)
  A queen bee (Lair:4)
  4 komodo dragons
  3 trolls
  4 two-headed ogres
  A grizzly bear (Lair:3)
  2 basilisks
  A bumblebee (Volcano)
  A brown ooze (Lair:6)
  2 wyverns
  17 yaks
  A merfolk (D:7)
  A redback (Volcano)
  4 vampire mosquitoes (Lair:3)
  4 fire drakes
  Edmund (D:4)
  2 manticores (Volcano)
  3 hippogriffs
  4 wandering mushrooms (Lair:1)
  A boulder beetle (Lair:8)
  A soldier ant (D:8)
  2 manticore zombies (D:5)
  17 ice beasts
  4 necrophages (Lair:4)
  9 orc warriors
  A phantom (D:4)
  3 boring beetles (Lair:8)
  4 centaurs
  16 ogres
  Duvessa (D:7)
  22 crocodiles
  5 giant slugs
  8 giant frogs
  2 giant frog zombies (D:5)
  A wolf (Lair:2)
  A two-headed ogre zombie (D:5)
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  3 agate snails
  An eye of draining (D:11)
  16 water moccasins
  A basilisk skeleton (D:9)
  24 killer bees (Lair:4)
  An ogre zombie (D:5)
  7 crimson imps
  2 killer bee zombies
  3 goliath beetles
  Dowan (D:7)
  A quasit (D:9)
  18 orc priests
  5 big fish
  12 hounds
  A scorpion (D:8)
  14 iguanas
  A hound skeleton (D:3)
  8 porcupines
  27 orc wizards
  26 worker ants
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  14 sheep
  Ijyb (D:3)
  6 jellies
  Terence (D:3)
  21 adders
  7 gnolls (D:5)
  3 giant centipedes (Lair:2)
  50 green rats
  4 giant mites
  An adder skeleton (D:4)
  An adder zombie (D:5)
  3 worms
  A bat skeleton (D:4)
  3 giant eyeballs (D:9)
  17 giant geckos
  2 oozes
  131 orcs
  A ball python (D:4)
  29 bats
  3 giant cockroaches (D:2)
  14 hobgoblins
  11 jackals
  18 kobolds
  3 giant gecko skeletons
  11 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:7)
  19 goblins
  2 hobgoblin skeletons (D:5)
  A kobold zombie (D:5)
  An orc skeleton (D:9)
  2 orc zombies
  15 quokkas
  2 quokka skeletons
  37 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:7)
  A rat zombie (D:5)
  2 ballistomycetes (D:7)
  2 bushes
  6 fungi
  4 plants
  2 toadstools (D:10)
848 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A stone giant (Orc:3)
  A dire elephant (Lair:8)
  An ice dragon (Lair:4)
  A death yak (Lair:5)
  2 ice statues (IceCv)
  2 polar bears (Lair:4)
  A hungry ghost (D:9)
  3 yaks (Lair:4)
  A hippogriff (Lair:8)
  4 soldier ants (D:8)
  An orc warrior (Orc:4)
  7 ice beasts (IceCv)
  A wolf (Lair:4)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:9)
  4 worker ants (D:8)
  3 gnolls (D:9)
34 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A rock troll (IceCv)
  A two-headed ogre (IceCv)
  A yak (D:10)
  An ogre (D:8)
  An electric eel (Lair:2)
  An adder (Lair:7)
  2 orcs
  A giant newt (D:1)
  A kobold (D:1)
  2 rats
  4 fungi
  3 plants
19 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 901 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Seraphax, the Demonspawn Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 0/0
   355 | D:1      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry]
   355 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 9/24 MP: 1/1
   962 | D:1      | Acquired Trog's second power
  1201 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 25/30 MP: 2/2
  1538 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1903 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You can tolerate rotten meat. [demonic ancestry]
  1903 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 20/36 MP: 3/3
  2288 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 21/42 MP: 4/4
  2518 | D:3      | Noticed Terence
  2522 | D:3      | Killed Terence
  2676 | D:3      | Noticed Ijyb
  2688 | D:3      | Killed Ijyb
  2919 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  2980 | D:3      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
  3048 | D:4      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  3056 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry]
  3056 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 40/48 MP: 5/5
  3111 | D:4      | Noticed a phantom
  3141 | D:4      | Killed a phantom
  3219 | D:4      | Noticed Edmund
  3232 | D:4      | Killed Edmund
  3276 | D:4      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  3277 | D:4      | Noticed a glowing angel
  3305 | D:4      | Noticed a hippogriff
  3442 | D:4      | Killed a hippogriff
  3442 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
  3442 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 54/54 MP: 6/6
  3617 | D:4      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  3683 | D:4      | Found Plusam's Antique Armour Shop.
  4001 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4024 | D:5      | Acquired Trog's third power
  4259 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
  4442 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  4442 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  4491 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +1). [demonic ancestry]
  4491 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You have large cloven feet. [demonic ancestry]
  4491 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 21/61 MP: 7/7
  5753 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging
  5815 | D:5      | Found Qempadi's Jewellery Boutique.
  6341 | D:6      | Noticed Blork the orc
  6351 | D:6      | Killed Blork the orc
  6671 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  6672 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  6694 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  6742 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  6849 | D:7      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  6867 | D:7      | Gained mutation: You have hoof-like feet. [demonic ancestry]
  6867 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 67/67 MP: 8/8
  6876 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  6888 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  6945 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  6959 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  7128 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  7658 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
  8140 | D:8      | Received a gift from Trog
  8194 | D:8      | Noticed a queen ant
  8210 | D:8      | Killed a queen ant
  8210 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  8231 | D:8      | Reached skill level 7 in Dodging
  8252 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 55/75 MP: 10/10
  8302 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  8459 | D:9      | Got a crystal hand axe
  8463 | D:9      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  8465 | D:9      | Identified the cursed +5,+5 hand axe "Saroiclu" (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  8481 | D:9      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  8632 | D:9      | Noticed a moth of wrath
  8635 | D:9      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  8642 | D:9      | Received a gift from Trog
  8666 | D:9      | Got a jewelled flail
  8667 | D:9      | Identified the +4,+6 flail of Doom (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  8714 | D:9      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
  8721 | D:9      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  8781 | D:9      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  8790 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  8962 | D:9      | Noticed an archer statue
  9034 | D:9      | Killed an archer statue
  9478 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9910 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  9933 | D:10     | Reached skill level 8 in Armour
 10325 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 10333 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 10688 | D:10     | You fall through a shaft!
 10786 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 10878 | Lair:1   | Gained mutation: You emit a foul stench, and are resistant to rotting and decay. [demonic ancestry]
 10878 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 70/83 MP: 12/12
 11305 | Lair:1   | Noticed Harold
 11321 | Lair:1   | Killed Harold
 11321 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing
 11502 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Trog
 11620 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 9 in Armour
 13708 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 13857 | Lair:4   | Found a frozen archway.
 13858 | Lair:4   | Noticed an ice dragon
 13883 | Lair:4   | Killed an ice dragon
 13883 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
 13883 | Lair:4   | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in slimy green scales (AC +2). [demonic ancestry]
 13883 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 16/92 MP: 16/16
 13905 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 14214 | IceCv    | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 14649 | IceCv    | Noticed an ice dragon
 14650 | IceCv    | Noticed an ice dragon
 14661 | IceCv    | Killed an ice dragon
 14681 | IceCv    | Killed an ice dragon
 14724 | IceCv    | Got a twitching iron amulet
 14764 | IceCv    | Identified the amulet "Gaps" (You found it in an ice cave)
 14906 | Lair:4   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 14913 | Lair:4   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 15208 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 15507 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 15523 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 11 in Armour
 15885 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 16162 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 16289 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 16290 | Lair:5   | Noticed a death yak
 16989 | Lair:5   | Found a dark tunnel.
 17016 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 17356 | Lair:5   | Noticed a death yak
 17388 | Lair:5   | Noticed a death yak
 17390 | Lair:5   | Killed a death yak
 17394 | Lair:5   | Killed a death yak
 17397 | Lair:5   | Killed a death yak
 17400 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 17483 | Lair:5   | Noticed a catoblepas
 17492 | Lair:5   | Killed a catoblepas
 17861 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails
 17861 | Lair:6   | Gained mutation: You have hooves in place of feet. [demonic ancestry]
 17861 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 91/101 MP: 17/17
 18027 | Lair:6   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 18035 | Lair:6   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 18052 | Lair:6   | Noticed a death yak
 18077 | Lair:6   | Killed a death yak
 18283 | Lair:6   | Noticed a death yak
 18283 | Lair:6   | Noticed a death yak
 18284 | Lair:6   | Noticed a death yak
 18306 | Lair:6   | Killed a death yak
 18310 | Lair:6   | Noticed a death yak
 18312 | Lair:6   | Noticed a death yak
 18313 | Lair:6   | Killed a death yak
 18319 | Lair:6   | Killed a death yak
 18321 | Lair:6   | Killed a death yak
 18324 | Lair:6   | Killed a death yak
 18492 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 18982 | Lair:6   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 18991 | Lair:6   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 19041 | Lair:6   | You fall through a shaft!
 19132 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails
 19787 | Lair:7   | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
 20038 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 20209 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 20377 | Lair:8   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20393 | Lair:8   | Killed a dire elephant
 20887 | Lair:8   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20896 | Lair:8   | Killed a dire elephant
 20896 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 95/110 MP: 18/18
 22254 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 22746 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 14 in Maces & Flails
 22851 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 23106 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 23112 | Orc:2    | Got a transparent lead amulet
 23378 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 23378 | Orc:4    | Noticed a stone giant
 23393 | Orc:3    | Killed a stone giant
 23570 | Orc:4    | Found Daabip's Jewellery Shoppe.
 23836 | Orc:4    | Identified the amulet of Magikiac (You found it on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 23952 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 23992 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 24020 | Orc:4    | Got a bloodstained glaive {god gift}
 24021 | Orc:4    | Identified the -1,-3 glaive "Daowiphy" {god gift} (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
 24146 | Orc:4    | Found Peyn's Jewellery Boutique.
 24324 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 24471 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 24474 | Orc:4    | Mangled by a stone giant


My funniest and least avoidable death yet :lol:

Spider Stomper

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2012, 03:10

I assume this is merely a hidden gotcha, not a bug but just checking.

Maybe it's just Murphy's law.

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2012, 04:01

Re: YASD DsBe: Brothers are bullies

He probably just thought you were roughhousing, then got confused when you suddenly decided to take a nap in the middle of it. :lol:

On a side note, rotting cloud mutation is freaking awesome. It does have that limitation around summons and making them mad on accident, but that's the challenge that Demonspawn players must master. Every set of mutations offers a slew of great strengths and some weaknesses to make up for it-- Demonic Guardian has bad synergy with Okawaru (nasty piety hit every time your guardian is killed), Ice Shell has bad synergy with trying to cast Fire spells, etc. Whenever I play Demonspawns I try to see at least 3 of my mutations and figure out what my Ultimate mutation is, before picking a deity and a general outline for how I'll raise that character.

Good luck if you keep trying though! Too bad about the BiA death. Makhleb is also kinda scary when his Greater Servants turn up hostile. Okawaru's my favorite melee god because he favors you relying on your own power and not a risky summon gambit that you can't control as easily (but then again he doesn't like you using ANY summons, or at least getting them killed, same difference). I think if I had a melee Demonspawn with Rotting Clouds and NOT Demonic Guardian, Okawaru would have been the ultimate pick.

Oh and another risky demonic mutation is Boiling Blood, which causes all spilled blood to erupt into flame clouds around you (which you are immune to). Trog's BiA would have likely backfired with that one too. Perhaps instead of Berserker, DsFi or DsGl would have been more reliable for melee builds? DsMo is an option too and if you stick with Unarmed Combat the whole game you get one guaranteed, permanent body alteration to help you attack (or three if you get supremely lucky enough to roll a Monsterous Demonspawn, which get no scales mutation but three body mutations instead of just one-- this happens only 10% of the time when you play a Demonspawn), so that'd probably be pretty terrifyingly powerful by the mid-game. I would recommend against ranged weapon specialist backgrounds like Hunter or Assassin, as Demonspawn really tend to shine close-up with so many of their unique mutations being geared for melee fights. But you have no idea how effective you are at various things with each Demonspawn game until you level up a few times and unmask some of your mutations, so my advice is, remain open to everything until then, and once you uncover what your most important ones will be, look over all the equipment you have available to you and then decide on a game plan.

I currenly have a Demonspawn Wizard, with +8 AC due to scales mutation, a +4 Ring of Protection and Steam Dragon Armour-- he's not even XL 15 and he has over 20 in both AC and EV. Demonspawn are FUN to play. :) Try a few more, is what I say! You can play 100 games as the same background and it will never stop being exciting.
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Post Thursday, 15th November 2012, 04:46

Re: YASD DsBe: Brothers are bullies

Oh, I've Had a Win, (HeHu 14 runes but didn't get the iron rune 'cos I ran out of arrows, damn not being able to enchant ammo) but it hadn't occured to me this might happen. the other time something like this happened I read an unID'd scroll of Immolation, too bad my summoned demons didn't appreciate being burned :( .

But thanks for the advice of mutation to watch out for anyway. i was only playing a DsBe 'cos i got bored of casters ;)

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2012, 13:12

Grandiloquent Gentleman wrote:i was only playing a DsBe 'cos i got bored of casters ;)

That's what happened to me some time ago. Just poison arrow -> firestorm -> necromut and then burning everything seems not to be interesting after a while.

I then started to play fighter or hybrid characters, and there are several demonspawns among them. It's interesting which kind of surprise the next XL will bring.

SchwaWarrior wrote:Whenever I play Demonspawns I try to see at least 3 of my mutations and figure out what my Ultimate mutation is, before picking a deity and a general outline for how I'll raise that character.

An interesting option is Ashenzari. Ok, for a fighter type Oka is still the best god in the early and midgame. It is a bit tricky to worship Ash but you'll never have any problems with your DS mutations.

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Post Thursday, 15th November 2012, 14:08

Re: YASD DsBe: Brothers are bullies

Note that this is already reported as a defect in Mantis:

https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6339

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