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TrSt [YAVP] Two different strategies - abyssal record?
Given the question how trolls (or ogres) can survive the midgame when those nasty shooters appear in deeper dungeon or the vaults, cerebovssquire recently made a post advising a TrCj.
I went for another option and took TrSt because
1) TrSt of Ash (morgue file)
I played with a shield and worshipped Ash for increasing troll's lousy magic skills. For statue form / haste you'll usually want something like tMut 12, earth 16 and charms 14. Charms hurts with a -4 aptitude! With Ash and cursed jewellry it's about tMut 8, earth 12 and charms 10 due to Ash's skill boost.
2) TrSt of Oka -> TSO (morgue file)
Oka is better in the beginning of the game, heroism is still one of the best abilities. Luckily, I got a very early ice dragon armour and played with it until statue form was castable, switched to mottled dragon armour then. So in the beginning I put XP into armour skill (16 was too much I think) and fought without a shield, losing some defense and getting more offensive power.
Switching to TSO means losing the nice regeneration spell but I felt much more comfortable in hell's branches with TSO. Getting HP on killing and summoning angels is always welcome.
Which of the two strategies was better?
I didn't see a major difference in UC-fighting with/without a shield. The choice of gods had more influence on the game. With Ash you may do the job faster because of gate/stair detection but I think to go with Oka/TSO is safer.
Edit:
This is from the second game, is this an abyssal record? I stayed there for only 11 turns! Anybody (not following Lugonu) who had even more luck?
I went for another option and took TrSt because
- distillation (lev 1) and evaporate (lev 2) are easy to learn and maybe even better than mephitic cloud. (These spells won't be available in 0.12 any longer.)
- you'll get digging spell. It's nice to dig a tunnel - you can kill nasty yaktaurs one by one.
- transmutation magic, necessary for dist/evap, is welcome. Statue form is still a kind of holy grail for unarmed fighters, especially for a troll.
1) TrSt of Ash (morgue file)
I played with a shield and worshipped Ash for increasing troll's lousy magic skills. For statue form / haste you'll usually want something like tMut 12, earth 16 and charms 14. Charms hurts with a -4 aptitude! With Ash and cursed jewellry it's about tMut 8, earth 12 and charms 10 due to Ash's skill boost.
2) TrSt of Oka -> TSO (morgue file)
Oka is better in the beginning of the game, heroism is still one of the best abilities. Luckily, I got a very early ice dragon armour and played with it until statue form was castable, switched to mottled dragon armour then. So in the beginning I put XP into armour skill (16 was too much I think) and fought without a shield, losing some defense and getting more offensive power.
Switching to TSO means losing the nice regeneration spell but I felt much more comfortable in hell's branches with TSO. Getting HP on killing and summoning angels is always welcome.
Which of the two strategies was better?
I didn't see a major difference in UC-fighting with/without a shield. The choice of gods had more influence on the game. With Ash you may do the job faster because of gate/stair detection but I think to go with Oka/TSO is safer.
Edit:
This is from the second game, is this an abyssal record? I stayed there for only 11 turns! Anybody (not following Lugonu) who had even more luck?