[CIP!] HOBe - Need Axe advice

[graffen69]

Need some insights; L23 HOBe of Trog (Axe 26) in trunk use:

a. Flaming +4/+9 Exec Axe [spd 7 – quite fast] or
b. Randart Speed +7/+6 Battle Axe (rC+, rN+) [spd 4 – extremely fast]

Which is better atm considering cleave?
And if I shud switch to TSO, max piety and turn the Flame to Holy wrath (going for Tomb or alternatively keep Trog and do Cocytus), again which would be better between the then:

c. Holy Wrath Exec Axe +4+/+9 or the speed axe above (b.) and again considering Cleave?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-881-g3338ab3 (tiles) character file.

Yxan the Executioner (Hill Orc Berserker)          Turns: 63680, Time: 07:03:08

HP 219/229       AC 46     Str 24      XL: 23   Next: 65%
MP  32/32        EV  8     Int  7      God: Trog [******]
Gold 2875        SH  0     Dex 18      Spells:  0 memorised, 22 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   v - +7,+6 battleaxe "Ilir" {god gift, speed, r
Res.Cold  : + + +   Warding    : .   P - +10 plate armour {rPois}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : +   (no shield)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   l - +1 orc helmet
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   T - +2 cloak {darkness}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   L - +2 pair of dwarf gauntlets
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   k - +2 pair of boots {Lev}
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   D - amulet of conservation
Saprovore : + . .   Levitation : .   F - ring of sustenance
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   R - +0,+7 ring of slaying

@: burdened, slow, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: cold resistance 2, saprovore 1, Str +1, Dex +1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Levitation
}: 1/15 runes: gossamer


You are on level 4 of the Shoals.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are encumbered.
You are very full.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 52 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Bailey and Volcano.

You have collected 6058 gold pieces.
You have spent 3203 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +4,+9 executioner's axe of flaming {god gift}
 d - a +2,+7 anti-magic executioner's axe {god gift}
 e - the quarterstaff of Dullness {crush, +Blink Stlth++, was cursed}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 16 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It lets you blink.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 g - a +0,+4 executioner's axe of freezing {god gift}
 u - the +5,+6 broad axe of Mana {chop, +Rage MR Str+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 18 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you go berserk.
 v - the +7,+6 battleaxe "Ilir" (weapon) {god gift, speed, rC+ rN+}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon take half as long, but cause slightly less damage.
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 B - a +1,+2 hand axe of returning (quivered)
 C - a +1,+2 hand axe of returning
 U - a +2,+0 hand axe of returning
Missiles
 G - 3 javelins
 Z - 5 throwing nets
Armour
 k - a +2 pair of boots of levitation (worn)
 l - a +1 orcish helmet (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of dwarven gauntlets (worn)
 P - a +10 plate armour of poison resistance (worn)
 T - a +2 cloak of darkness (worn)
Magical devices
 h - a wand of lightning (6)
 j - a wand of slowing (14)
 p - a wand of disintegration (15)
 t - a wand of digging {zapped: 1}
 x - a wand of confusion (15)
 H - a wand of fire (5)
 N - a wand of draining (5)
 X - a wand of digging (12)
Comestibles
 c - 9 meat rations
 o - a bread ration
Scrolls
 f - 2 scrolls of identify
 y - 8 scrolls of teleportation
 I - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 K - 5 scrolls of fog
 M - 7 scrolls of fear
 V - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 W - a scroll of silence
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 n - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 z - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 D - an amulet of conservation (around neck)
 E - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 F - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
 R - a +0,+7 ring of slaying (left hand)
Potions
 i - 2 potions of speed
 m - 12 potions of curing
 q - 10 potions of heal wounds
 r - a potion of berserk rage
 s - 5 potions of restore abilities
 w - 4 potions of resistance
 J - a potion of invisibility
 O - 2 potions of magic
 Q - 2 potions of agility
 S - 4 potions of might
 Y - a potion of levitation


   Skills:
 + Level 24,4 Fighting
 - Level 26,0 Axes
 - Level 3,0 Throwing
 - Level 23,3 Armour
 - Level 1,5 Dodging
 - Level 12,0 Traps
 - Level 9,0 Evocations


You have 22 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (26/27)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:10
   Lair (8/8) D:8          Shoals (4/5) Lair:5       Spider (5/5) Lair:6
  Slime (0/6) Lair:6       Vaults (4/5) D:19          Blade (0/1) Vaults:4
  Crypt (0/5) Vaults:4   
   Elf: Orc:3-4     


Any advice appreciated.

[BlackSheep]

The flaming axe will out damage the speed axe. I'm not sure about the math on the holy axe against non-demon/undead targets, but I'd probably still use the executioner's axe over the battleaxe, and would only switch to the antimagic axe against dangerous casters.

[TehDruid]

[Siegurt]

Against a non fire-resistance no-AC creature (Given your current skills):
Flaming exec axe: 152.12 dmg/round
Speed battleaxe: 180.44 dmg/round

Against a non-fire-resistant 20 AC creature:
Flaming exec axe: 139.83 dmg/round
Speed battleaxe: 151.44 dmg/round

Against a non-fire-resistant 40 AC creature:
Flaming exec axe: 123.55 dmg/round
Speed battleaxe: 123.30 dmg/round

Assuming you hit every time. If you have another source of attack speed (Haste, Finesse, berserk etc.) the flaming axe will get a large bonus over the speed axe (And will surpass it by a large margin) since the speed axe can't really get any faster. Fire resistance drops the average flaming axe damage by about 20%, fire susceptibility increases it by the same margin. You'll also have a very slightly higher to-hit percentage against higher EV creatures with the battleaxe.

Holy Axe against holy susceptible:
40 ac: 183.39 dmg/round
20 AC: 198.68 dmg/round
0 AC: 212.96 dmg/round

Cleaving really doesn't change the results compared with single defender damage.

Finally, perhaps the biggest determiner, if you are fighting things which you should kill in one or two shots, it's always better to use the larger base-damage weapon (The exec axe) because the speed axe relies on multiple hits which gives your opponents more opportunities to hit you back, presuming you arrange to be the one who attacks first most of the time (Which I assume you do) because a preemptive shot that kills means no retaliation, no matter whether the attack took .3, .4 or .7 rounds.

In short you should only use the speed axe for fights against big critters without really large AC bonus, and only if you can't pump your attack speed, or the critter is fire-resistant, If you want to leave one in your stash, I'd vote for the speed axe.

[crate]

Speed axe gets faster just fine with haste/finesse. Min attack delay is 0.2, axes won't ever hit that cap unless you have a hand axe of speed with finesse.

[Siegurt]

Yep silly me, I was thinking of the minimum weapon delay(3), not the absolute minimum delay after modfiers (2)
I also forgot that speed brand is "(regular delay+1)/2" so I was thinking his natural delay would be 3.5 not 4, that's what I get for not looking, and just spouting from memory Yes, haste can take his speed axe from 4 to 2.66 and finesse can take it from 4 to 2, which is quite insane (5 attacks per round, at an average of 60something each??? egad!)

Yeah, I revise my earlier opinion, go with the speed axe, it doesn't have any special cases you need to worry about and will chop the heck out of anything that doesn't have utterly insane AC (Like 2-3 monsters in the game might take more damage from the fire axe, maybe)

[joerjoe]

I wanna try what you guys posted on this forum. I am also curios which is better between those axes that's why im gonna try those out. Im back from playing.

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