YASD: DgTm

Saturday, 15th September 2012, 14:19 by Lainge

So yeah. The death was easily avoidable and I shouldn't have even attempted fighting gastronok... Run away and come back, which was what almost every floor I was on resulted in. Anyway, just wondering how I should have built skills and in what order.
The one thing I dislike about early level DgTm is how easy it is to die. So I always pick up a weapon to fight with until my Unarmed is viable.
Also, spell suggestions?
As a Dg I can't rely on gods to help me out of situations so I need quite a few escape spells... but other than teleport, summon butterflies, blink, swiftness and (for early escapes) the spider transformation, I'm not really sure what I should be getting.
And one last thing.
Throwing or a ranged weapon?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.3 character file. 8411 Riniolith the Martial Artist (level 10, 0/75 HPs) Began as a Demigod Transmuter on Sept 15, 2012. Killed by the air ... invoked by Gastronok (17 damage) ... on Level 10 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 00:51:23 (18469 turns). Riniolith the Martial Artist (Demigod Transmuter) Turns: 18469, Time: 00:51:23 HP 0/75 AC 11 Str 18 XL: 10 Next: 88% MP 21/25 EV 17 Int 20 God: Gold 219 SH 0 Dex 22 Spells: 5 memorised, 8 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + p - melded +1,+0 whip (elec) Res.Cold : x . . Warding : . . u - +3 leather armour {rPois} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (shield currently unavailable) Res.Acid. : + . . Res.Corr. : + B - +0 winged helmet {SInv} (curse) Res.Poison: + Clarity : . O - +0 cloak Res.Elec. : . Spirit.Shd : . L - melded +1 pair of gloves Sust.Abil.: . . Stasis : . c - +2 pair of orc boots Res.Mut. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . G - amulet of resist corrosion Res.Rott. : . Levitation : . D - cursed +4 ring of dexterity Saprovore : . . . Ctrl.Flight: . v - ring of fire @: blade hands, nauseated, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: Str +2 a: End Transformation You were on level 10 of the Dungeon. You were very hungry. Your hands were blades. You visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and saw 13 of its levels. You visited 1 portal chamber: sewer. You collected 639 gold pieces. You spent 440 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons g - a +1,+0 orcish hand axe p - a +1,+0 whip of electrocution (melded) t - a +0,+1 hand axe A - a -1,+0 orcish trident C - a -1,+3 orcish hand axe of returning N - a +2,+0 dagger of returning Missiles y - 25 +2 darts (quivered) H - 7 poisoned +0 javelins Armour c - a +2 pair of orcish boots (worn) u - a +3 leather armour of poison resistance (worn) B - a cursed +0 winged helmet of see invisible (worn) F - a +0 robe of magic resistance L - a +1 pair of gloves (melded) O - a +0 cloak (worn) Magical devices f - a wand of magic darts (13) l - a wand of enslavement (6) o - a wand of magic darts (14) s - a wand of flame (8) Comestibles j - 4 bread rations k - 3 meat rations m - 12 apricots x - 2 chokos K - 41 strawberries P - 15 pears Scrolls e - 5 scrolls of teleportation i - 4 scrolls of detect curse n - 3 scrolls of identify r - 2 scrolls of recharging z - 2 scrolls of magic mapping I - 4 scrolls of enchant weapon I M - a scroll of fear Jewellery v - a ring of fire (left scythe-like blade) D - a cursed +4 ring of dexterity (right scythe-like blade) E - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities G - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck) Potions a - 3 potions of brilliance h - 6 potions of heal wounds q - a potion of speed J - 5 potions of curing Books b - a book of the Sky Spells Type Level *Flight Charms/Air 3 Insulation Charms/Air 4 Airstrike Air 4 Silence Hexes/Air 5 Deflect Missiles Charms/Air 6 Conjure Ball Lightning Conjuration/Air 7 Tornado Air 9 d - a book of Changes Spells Type Level *Beastly Appendage Transmutation 1 Sticks to Snakes Transmutation 2 *Spider Form Transmutation/Poison 3 Ice Form Ice/Transmutation 4 *Blade Hands Transmutation 5 w - a book of Beasts Spells Type Level *Summon Butterflies Summoning 1 Sticks to Snakes Transmutation 2 Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 Ice Form Ice/Transmutation 4 Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 Summon Hydra Summoning 7 Skills: - Level 3.8 Fighting * Level 3.3 Armour - Level 6.8 Dodging - Level 9.4 Unarmed Combat - Level 6.0 Spellcasting + Level 3.0 Charms - Level 8.2 Transmutations You had 8 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Beastly Appendage Trmt ######. 12% 1 None b - Spider Form Pois/Trmt ####...... 41% 3 Strawberry c - Blade Hands Trmt ######.... 50% 5 Honeycomb d - Summon Butterflies Summ ##....... 50% 1 None e - Flight Air/Chrm ###....... 63% 3 Strawberry Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/27) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (1/4) D:8 Lair: D:8-13 Shops: D:4: [ D:8: * D:10: ([( Portals: Ziggurat: D:8 (5640 gp) Annotations D:10 Gastronok Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations Your muscles are strong (Str +2). Message History You are feeling very hungry. Gastronok barely misses you. There is an open door here. You slice Gastronok!! You kick Gastronok. Gastronok is lightly wounded. You slash Gastronok! Gastronok is lightly wounded. You hit Gastronok. Gastronok is moderately wounded. Gastronok bites you! You hit Gastronok. You slash Gastronok. Gastronok is moderately wounded. You slash Gastronok! You slash Gastronok. Gastronok is moderately wounded. Gastronok bites you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * All of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have completely rotted away. Gastronok waves his eye-stalks in wide circles. The air twists around and strikes you! You die... # ###.....######## # #.....# #.....# ####'## #....# ###'######## ####.......n..# ###..'..........# #####+### .#..##..........#####.......# ...###..........'j.##.......# .### #........@.##..).......# .# #..........#####..n....# ## #..........# #.......# #..........# #.......# #..>.......# ####'#### ####....#### #..)# ####.#### #####.## #### #.......####### #....... ...# #.......'.....# #....... ...###.......#####.# #...<... You could see Gastronok. Vanquished Creatures Jozef (D:10) Pikel (D:4) Maurice (D:10) An elf skeleton (D:7) A deep dwarf artificer (D:10) The ghost of Gasionl the Chopper, an average HOGl (D:4) A troll (D:9) A two-headed ogre (D:9) 2 human zombies (D:7) 2 wraiths (D:7) A hungry ghost (D:7) Eustachio (D:5) 2 human skeletons (D:7) An item mimic (D:10) Edmund (D:5) 2 necrophages A slave (D:3) 2 sky beasts 2 phantoms The ghost of Gasionl the Chopper, an average HOGl (D:3) An ice beast (D:6) 6 orc warriors 2 yellow wasps 3 ogres 6 centaurs A big kobold (D:10) 3 giant frogs A killer bee zombie (D:9) 3 wights (D:8) 5 killer bees A big kobold skeleton (D:8) 3 crimson imps 9 orc priests 2 hounds 2 scorpions A big fish (Port) A gnoll shaman (D:4) 2 hound skeletons 3 iguanas 3 worker ants 7 orc wizards A mummy (D:7) 7 adders A green rat (D:5) 8 gnolls An adder zombie (D:6) 3 giant mites 3 worms A grey rat (D:5) A giant eyeball (D:7) 5 giant geckos A gnoll skeleton (D:4) An ooze (D:2) 46 orcs 5 ball pythons 8 giant cockroaches 14 goblins 19 hobgoblins 15 jackals 3 quokkas 17 bats A giant gecko skeleton (D:4) 11 giant newts A giant spore (D:8) A hobgoblin skeleton (D:8) A hobgoblin zombie (D:6) 22 kobolds An orc skeleton (D:5) 3 orc zombies (D:7) 23 rats A rat skeleton (D:5) 6 ballistomycetes (D:8) 4 plants 8 toadstools 334 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A goblin (D:4) 2 rats (D:5) A plant (Port) 20 toadstools 24 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 358 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Riniolith, the Demigod Transmuter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 3/3 487 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/23 MP: 2/4 729 | D:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Transmutations 1636 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Transmutations 1636 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 17/28 MP: 7/7 1641 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Spider Form 2211 | D:2 | Noticed a worker ant zombie 3122 | D:3 | Noticed Gasionl's ghost (average HOGl) 4781 | D:4 | Noticed Gasionl's ghost (average HOGl) 4791 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4792 | D:5 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 35/35 MP: 9/9 4872 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 4873 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations 5186 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5196 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5413 | D:5 | Found a glowing drain. 5421 | sewer | Entered the sewers 6018 | sewer | Reached XP level 5. HP: 18/40 MP: 9/11 6905 | D:4 | Found Ihutalat's Armour Boutique. 6911 | D:4 | Noticed Pikel 7239 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Transmutations 8305 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 29/47 MP: 14/14 8312 | D:4 | Learned a level 5 spell: Blade Hands 8436 | D:3 | Killed Gasionl's ghost 8490 | D:4 | Killed Gasionl's ghost 8490 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 47/52 MP: 12/18 8760 | D:4 | Bought a +2 pair of orcish boots for 189 gold pieces 8827 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Transmutations 9333 | D:5 | Noticed Edmund 10121 | D:4 | Killed Pikel 10121 | D:4 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 34/59 MP: 14/19 10376 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1). 10377 | D:4 | Lost mutation: You are agile (Dex +1). 10378 | D:4 | Paralysed by a potion of paralysis for 5 turns 10383 | D:4 | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1). 10435 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 10545 | D:5 | Killed Edmund 10545 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 11657 | D:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 11686 | D:6 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 11923 | D:4 | Bought a +0 winged helmet of see invisible for 120 gold pieces 12260 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 12260 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 49/64 MP: 19/22 12284 | D:7 | Noticed a wraith 12289 | D:7 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 37/59 MP: 16/20 12292 | D:7 | Killed a wraith 12502 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 12502 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 56/64 MP: 20/22 12515 | D:7 | Noticed a wraith 12522 | D:7 | Killed a wraith 12578 | D:7 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 12585 | D:7 | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +2). 12707 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 13731 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 13881 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 13960 | D:8 | Found Zysmougu's Assorted Antiques. 13969 | D:8 | Bought a scroll labeled UXTOISA NACO for 28 gold pieces 13969 | D:8 | Bought an oily blue potion for 25 gold pieces 14186 | D:8 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 14338 | D:8 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 14340 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 14662 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 57/73 MP: 19/25 15274 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies 15751 | D:9 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 16380 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 16432 | D:7 | Learned a level 3 spell: Flight 16478 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 16484 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 16639 | D:4 | Bought a +1 pair of gloves for 78 gold pieces 16790 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 16790 | D:10 | Found Tuadurpha's Weapon Shop. 16790 | D:10 | Noticed Jozef 16802 | D:10 | Killed Jozef 16802 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 17013 | D:10 | Noticed Gastronok 17117 | D:10 | Found Maup's Armour Shop. 17137 | D:10 | Found Guwawket's Weapon Emporium. 17242 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 17379 | D:10 | Noticed Maurice 17427 | D:10 | Killed Maurice 17995 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 18469 | D:10 | Killed from afar by Gastronok

Saturday, 15th September 2012, 16:08 by rchandra

In general, you want sticks to snakes and ice form too - to overwhelm dangerous foes with snakes and chilling cold-bloodeds (As well as the defences) respectively.

a dagger, spear, short sword, etc. can help for the first few floors until UC is better.

More unarmed and transmutations early, don't worry about support spells/armour/dodging for a while longer.

I don't think I'd use either throwing or a ranged weapon on DgTm, maybe throwing if you find a nice stack of javelins.

Saturday, 15th September 2012, 18:29 by crate

Against gastronok in particular I would basically always prefer to be in spider form instead of blade hands. I very rarely cast blade hands at all until I am finished with lair, because until then it is likely that either spider form or ice form is better (which one is best depends on the enemy; you'd use spider form for (death) yaks and such, ice form for spiny frogs/black mambas etc.). I would recommend you try out spider form and ice form more, since I suspect you are guilty of overvaluing blade hands like many other people.

I never pick up a weapon to equip on tm and you don't have to do so either, the UC you start with plus beastly appendage is already stronger than lots of other things. It is possible that using a dagger or such is actually better for a short time but not by much.

My tms never learn either throwing or a ranged weapon. They tend to have no ranged attacks at all other than wands, unless my god gives me some. Tm has enough other places it wants to put xp so I definitely don't advise using a bow/sling/crossbow, though throwing is ok without much investment if you want.

Sunday, 16th September 2012, 00:01 by Lainge

Thanks for the advice guys.
And yeah... I do overvalue blade hands I guess.
Maybe due to the fact that it turns your hands and arms into blades... and that's just cool.
Should I maybe get dragon form and statue then as well?

Sunday, 16th September 2012, 00:38 by Konebred

All my gastronok kills have been with a blowgun and poison needles. There really isn't anything else really needed. I always clear the level he is on out then just kite him around.

Sunday, 16th September 2012, 00:48 by Turgon

Lainge wrote: Should I maybe get dragon form and statue then as well?

Statue form - combined with stoneskin for more AC and haste to make up for slow actions - rules. It's awesome.

Sunday, 16th September 2012, 01:07 by Bloax

Last time I met Gastronok, he went down hilariously fast with three moccasins lashing at him.

D:10 Is a bit too early to face a foe like him, however.

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