YASD - KoBe became bacon

[CryptoCactus]

EDIT: Hubris is my greatest weakness. Slamming through the deepish dungeon, run into Kirke, no problems right? Except now I'm a pig, and I didn't realize I could still summon my brothers in arms until it was too late and I was surrounded by pigs and ugly/very ugly things.


This game makes me feel so stupid.









So here's my KoBe - I've had some great drops this round, and things are clicking along nicely.

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CryptoCactus the Slicer (Kobold Berserker)         Turns: 10565, Time: 00:50:08

HP  38/68        AC 11     Str 19      XL: 11   Next:  2%
MP  10/10        EV 14     Int  8      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 155         SH 13     Dex 14      Spells:  0 memorised, 10 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .    G - +7 quick blade {god gift}
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  d - +1 orc chain mail {rPois}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .    S - +0 buckler
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    K - +0 horned helmet
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : .    t - +0 dwarf cloak
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    w - +0 pair of orc gloves
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    (no boots)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    O - +2,+5 ring of slaying
Saprovore : + + .   Ctrl.Flight: .    u - +5 ring of evasion

@: exhausted, slowed, very slow, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments,
extremely unstealthy
A: disease resistance, carnivore 3, saprovore 2, Str +1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You are on level 8 of the Dungeon.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 9 of its levels.
You have visited 1 portal chamber: sewer.

You have collected 415 gold pieces.
You have spent 280 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +5,+3 sabre of speed
 b - an uncursed sabre of freezing {god gift}
 G - a +7,+7 quick blade (weapon) {god gift}
Missiles
 h - 55 darts (quivered)
 k - 21 sling bullets
 n - 38 bolts
 y - 2 poisoned needles
Armour
 d - a +1 orcish chain mail of poison resistance (worn)
 t - a +0 dwarven cloak (worn)
 w - a +0 pair of orcish gloves (worn)
 K - a +0 horned helmet (worn)
 S - a +0 buckler (worn)
Magical devices
 f - a wand of teleportation
Comestibles
 c - 4 meat rations
Scrolls
 e - a scroll of remove curse
 j - a scroll labeled TONKEUPPAH
 l - 3 scrolls labeled IVAWNAUVIV
 m - a scroll labeled KIDDE LUBLY
 o - a scroll labeled WOAPTI MUSO
 p - a scroll labeled DOEZEE COEWESS
 q - a scroll labeled BROSOHITUICH
 r - a scroll labeled BUSYSO REMASK
 v - 3 scrolls labeled THREDE TOEPLO
 z - 2 scrolls labeled CORUOT EZOI
 A - 2 scrolls of identify
 C - a scroll labeled UCERRU SKAEDYL
 D - 5 scrolls labeled NAAR GETAONANE
 J - 3 scrolls labeled KLUMAG UKEA
 L - a scroll labeled RUTIPHYGHU
 R - 2 scrolls labeled SAMIASAMAI
 X - a scroll labeled VICHAY NO JUL
 Y - a scroll labeled THRICR TIFYVYSO
Jewellery
 s - an uncursed ring of ice
 u - a +5 ring of evasion (left hand)
 H - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 O - a +2,+5 ring of slaying (right hand)
Potions
 g - 5 potions of curing
 i - 2 potions of speed
 x - 2 potions of might
 B - a sedimented pink potion
 E - 5 potions of heal wounds
 F - an orange potion
 N - a potion of invisibility
 V - 2 potions of levitation
 W - a potion of restore abilities
 Z - a potion of agility


   Skills:
 + Level 10,0 Fighting
 - Level 12,5 Short Blades
 - Level 3,0 Maces & Flails
 - Level 1,5 Armour
 - Level 2,4 Dodging
 - Level 7,0 Shields


You have 10 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

My question: which of those blades is better, the +7 +7 quickblade or the +5 +3 sabre of speed? If I'm not totally mistaken they'd both have a delay of 30%, right? My gut feeling is that I should stick with the sabre (awesome drop from Eustachio btw). And that sabre of cold I figured I'd keep around in case I ran into any fiery beasties, though maybe one of the others would still be superior even in that case, not sure what difference I'd be looking at with 30% mindelay vs. attacking an elemental weakness.

[CryptoCactus]

Thanks. Why?

edit: not accounting for the bonus as I'll probably drop a bunch of ?enchants on whichever I keep.

[CryptoCactus]

Well all right.

[CryptoCactus]

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you for the additional explanation.

[ldierk]

I notice that you have not trained stealth and stabbing which is a route you should consider. My first win as a reference: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2718&p=32271#p32271

[ddubois]

When I tried a SpBe with stealth/stabbing, my gut analysis of the build was "Ok, so I can sometimes sneak up and insta-skill easy mobs which I could have tabbed through anyway". I didn't feel like it gave me more power or more survivability, since the unique/OoD mobs would usually see me before I could stab them, and awoken packs were just as deadly (actually, probably more deadly, since the XP that went to stealth/stabbing probably would have gone into HP/EV skills. Someone tell my gut why it's feeling is wrong.

[One-Eyed Jack]

KoBe has very little xp need (fighting, dodging, short blades & t&d). Sblades also require few levels to get to min deay. So it's easy to afford some stealth/stabbing in the midgame. Kobolds have good apts in all of these things and gain levels quickly (they even have good evo for rods.) Late game maybe switch to long blades (although I have cleared zot with a Ko and a spell-branded quickblade)

Also, id those scrolls nex time

You might consider lighter armour too

[rchandra]

your stealth can overcome a lot, since both XL and Stealth skill go into it. Add the possibility of evokable invisibility (my KoBe used the Robe of Night) or potions/wand, and you can get a lot of free kills on relevant enemies. Dangerous monsters can often be approached from a better angle to limit their chances to wake, or avoided entirely.