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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 08:24

YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc character file.

331353 Tasonir the Eclecticist (level 22, -37/206 HPs)
             Began as a Naga Gladiator on Apr 27, 2012.
             Was the Champion of Cheibriados.
             Killed from afar by an ancient lich (82 damage)
             ... with an iron shot
             
             ... in The Abyss.
             The game lasted 06:16:06 (38505 turns).

Tasonir the Eclecticist (Naga Gladiator)           Turns: 38505, Time: 06:16:06

HP -37/206       AC 39     Str 39      XL: 22   Next: 71%
MP  41/41        EV  9     Int 36      God: Cheibriados [******]
Gold 1384        SH 32     Dex 30      Spells:  8 memorised, 23 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : +    a - +6,+4 demon trident (flame)
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  b - +5 splint mail of the Eternal Void {Dex+4
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +    y - +0 shield {rflct} {Donald}
Res.Acid. : + . .   Res.Corr.  : +    A - +1 wizard hat {Int+3}
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : .    Q - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    I - +2 pair of orc gloves {Str+3}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Rnd.Telep. : +    X - +2 naga barding
Res.Mut.  : +       Ctrl.Telep.: x    Z - amulet of resist mutation
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    C - ring of Xoploon {rF+ Str+1 Int+2}
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    o - +4,+5 ring of slaying

@: very slow, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: spit poison, constrict 1, fangs 1, horns 1, see invisible, deformed body,
magic resistance 1, poison resistance, teleportitis 1, slowness 2, Dex -1
a: Spit Poison, Bend Time, Temporal Distortion, Slouch, Step From Time, Renounce
Religion
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine


You were in the Abyss.
You worshipped Cheibriados.
Cheibriados was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and saw 58 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You visited 1 Labyrinth.
You visited 1 bazaar.
You visited 1 portal chamber: ice cave.

You collected 3942 gold pieces.
You spent 2578 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +6,+4 demon trident of flaming (weapon)
 P - the -4,-3 demon trident "Qablaruo" {vamp, rElec rC+}
   (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It inflicts no extra harm, but heals its wielder somewhat when it strikes a
   living foe.
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
Missiles
 p - 5 +0 javelins (quivered)
Armour
 b - the +5 splint mail of the Eternal Void (worn) {Dex+4 Acc-4}
   (You found it in a Labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It affects your accuracy (-4).
 r - the +3 naga barding "Huibyipn" {Dex+3 Int-2}
   (You acquired it in the Abyss)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 y - a +0 shield of reflection (worn) {Donald}
 A - a +1 wizard hat of intelligence (worn)
 E - a +0 large shield
 I - a +2 pair of orcish gloves of strength (worn)
 K - the +0 naga barding of the World {rElec}
   (You acquired it in the Abyss)   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
 Q - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
 X - a +2 naga barding (worn)
Magical devices
 g - a wand of disintegration (4)
 s - a wand of disintegration (2)
 u - a wand of fire (1)
 w - a wand of disintegration (5)
 H - a wand of fire (2)
 J - a wand of cold (3)
 S - a wand of fireball (8)
 Y - a wand of lightning (8)
Comestibles
 f - 21 bread rations
 l - 3 meat rations
 G - 2 beef jerkies
 O - a rambutan
Scrolls
 e - 7 scrolls of teleportation
 h - a scroll of magic mapping
 i - 4 scrolls of identify
 j - a scroll of fog
 k - a scroll of recharging
 v - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 L - 4 scrolls of detect curse
 R - a scroll of silence
 W - 4 scrolls of fear
Jewellery
 d - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 n - a ring of the Octopus King {Hunger- AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   [ring of sustenance]
   
   It affects your AC (+1).
   It affects your evasion (+1).
   It affects your strength (+1).
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
   
   "A mermaid who fancied to sing,
    Roused lust in the Octopus King.
    Her squiggly suitor,
    Tried hard to woo her,
    But she couldn't wear all his rings."
 o - a +4,+5 ring of slaying (left hand)
 t - the ring of Kuluovo {rC++ MR}
   (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 C - the ring of Xoploon (right hand) {rF+ Str+1 Int+2}
   (You acquired it on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of strength]
   It affects your strength (+1).
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
 F - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 U - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 V - an uncursed ring of life protection
 Z - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
Potions
 c - a potion of brilliance
 q - a potion of porridge
 x - 3 potions of agility
 z - a potion of heal wounds
 B - 2 potions of might
 D - 9 potions of curing
 N - 3 potions of restore abilities


   Skills:
 - Level 14,4 Fighting
 - Level 15,7 Polearms
 - Level 1,7 Throwing
 - Level 15,9 Armour
 - Level 6,0 Dodging
 - Level 10,0 Shields
 - Level 3,7 Traps & Doors
 - Level 2,0 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 16,9 Spellcasting
 - Level 3,1 Charms
 - Level 13,0 Translocations
 + Level 11,6 Transmutations
 + Level 16,8 Earth Magic
 - Level 10,4 Invocations


You had 23 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Fulsome Distillation  Trmt/Necr      N/A          1%          1    None
b - Statue Form           Erth/Trmt      ########..   6%          6    None
c - Passwall              Erth/Trmt      ########..   1%          3    None
d - Dig                   Erth/Trmt      ########.    1%          4    None
e - Control Teleport      Chrm/Tloc      #######...   3%          4    None
f - Apportation           Tloc           ########..   1%          1    None
h - Phase Shift           Tloc           ########..   1%          5    None
i - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          38%         7    Choko


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:10
   Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3        Slime (0/6) Lair:7
  Snake (5/5) Lair:5        Vault (8/8) D:17          Blade (0/1) Vault:4
    Zot (0/5) D:27       
   Elf: Orc:3-4      Crypt: Vault:2-4   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:14: (%(*  D:16: ?  D:18: [(?*  D:24: !  Orc:4: +(((%  Snake:3: ?
Snake:4: (  Vault:1: *[

Portals:
Hell: D:22 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:27
Pan: D:21 D:26

Annotations
D:27 1 exclusion
Lair:6 exclusion: oklob plant


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear boots.
You can spit poison.
You can use your snake-like lower body to constrict enemies.*
Your serpentine skin is tough (AC +7).*
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.*
Your system is resistant to poisons.*
You cover ground very slowly.*
You have very sharp teeth.*
You have a pair of small horns on your head.*
You are clumsy (Dex -1).
You are resistant to hostile enchantments.
Space occasionally distorts in your vicinity.


Message History

The ancient lich gestures at you while chanting.
The iron shot hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You block the lemure's attack. The lemure hits you but does no damage.
You block the lemure's attack.
You puncture the ancient lich. You constrict the ancient lich.
You headbutt the ancient lich, but do no damage.
You bite the ancient lich, but do no damage.
The ancient lich is severely damaged.
The ancient lich touches you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel drained.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The lemure hits you but does no damage. You block the lemure's attack.
The lemure hits you but does no damage.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel much better. You constrict the ancient lich.
The ancient lich gestures at you while chanting.
The iron shot hits you!
You die...

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You could see an ancient lich and a lemure.

Vanquished Creatures
  Saint Roka (Snake:2)
  Boris (Vault:8)
  Norris (Snake:3)
  Margery (D:21)
  A Brimstone Fiend (Vault:6)
  3 liches
  A Pit Fiend (Abyss)
  Nikola (Snake:3)
  3 titans (Vault:8)
  10 shadow dragons
  3 storm dragons
  A sphinx (Vault:8)
  Kirke (D:18)
  Frances (Vault:2)
  Roxanne (Snake:3)
  4 bone dragons
  An Executioner (Abyss)
  Donald (Snake:2)
  A draconian knight (D:27)
  8 frost giants
  3 orc warlords
  Louise (D:16)
  2 tentacled monstrosities
  Maud (D:15)
  2 draconian zealots
  Gastronok (Orc:2)
  32 stone giants
  3 fire giants
  4 cacodemons
  A quicksilver dragon skeleton (Abyss)
  A grey draconian (Abyss)
  3 draconian callers (D:27)
  A green draconian (D:27)
  Jozef (D:10)
  A reaper (Vault:6)
  15 greater nagas
  2 yellow draconians (D:27)
  Azrael (Vault:1)
  The ghost of Vithe the Spry, a powerful FeTm (Swamp:1)
  3 deep elf death magi
  5 ettins
  A red draconian (D:27)
  An anaconda (shapeshifter) (Vault:3)
  6 salamanders (Snake:5)
  Snorg (Snake:2)
  9 anacondas
  A storm dragon zombie (Vault:4)
  2 great orbs of eyes
  24 vault guards (Vault:8)
  34 yaktaur captains
  A minotaur (Lab)
  2 dragons (shapeshifter)
  A blizzard demon (Abyss)
  A great orb of eyes (shapeshifter) (D:27)
  Erica (D:10)
  19 hydras
  Josephine (D:10)
  The ghost of lfc the Protected, a powerful HOPr of Beogh (Orc:4)
  An ice dragon (Lair:7)
  2 spriggan druids (Lair:8)
  6 ogre magi
  A rakshasa (D:15)
  3 alligators
  A sphinx zombie (Vault:2)
  A shadow dragon skeleton (Vault:7)
  15 deep trolls
  15 death yaks
  An orc high priest (D:26)
  3 hell hogs (Abyss)
  2 fire giant zombies
  6 very ugly things
  An emperor scorpion (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  A fire giant skeleton (Vault:4)
  9 stone giant skeletons
  An iron golem (Abyss)
  22 centaur warriors
  27 skeletal warriors
  7 hell knights
  8 deep elf knights
  4 iron trolls
  2 soul eaters
  2 sea snakes (shapeshifter)
  A giant orange brain (Abyss)
  4 ice devils
  6 death drakes (D:27)
  8 large abominations (Abyss)
  A white draconian zombie (Abyss)
  A yellow draconian zombie (Abyss)
  A purple draconian zombie (Abyss)
  15 naga warriors
  A sea snake zombie (Abyss)
  A mottled draconian zombie (Abyss)
  6 unseen horrors
  A harpy (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  6 flayed ghosts
  An ice statue (Port)
  An iron troll zombie (D:16)
  8 swamp dragons
  18 hill giants
  A hellion (Abyss)
  30 orc knights
  2 elves (shapeshifter)
  3 grey draconian skeletons (Abyss)
  A necromancer (D:25)
  A death yak skeleton (Abyss)
  A green draconian skeleton (Abyss)
  A white draconian skeleton (Abyss)
  2 flaming corpses (Abyss)
  Joseph (D:7)
  3 giant amoebae
  A catoblepas zombie (Abyss)
  4 griffons
  9 guardian serpents
  A red wasp (shapeshifter) (Vault:6)
  A red wasp (Swamp:2)
  A shining eye (shapeshifter) (D:21)
  5 orc sorcerers
  A hydra skeleton (Abyss)
  A phantasmal warrior (D:27)
  9 cyclopes
  A minotaur skeleton (Abyss)
  6 spiny worms
  An oklob plant (Lair:2)
  A guardian serpent (shapeshifter) (D:25)
  A siren skeleton (Abyss)
  26 slime creatures
  2 death drake skeletons (Abyss)
  2 draconians (shapeshifter)
  A wolf spider (D:13)
  7 feature mimics
  A sixfirhy (Abyss)
  38 black mambas
  An elephant slug (Lair:4)
  2 ettin skeletons
  A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:25)
  8 hellwings (Abyss)
  2 elephants (shapeshifter)
  A hill giant zombie (D:15)
  2 trapdoor spiders
  2 eyes of devastation (shapeshifter)
  7 spiny frogs
  12 elephants
  A dragon skeleton (D:17)
  An ice dragon skeleton (Abyss)
  2 griffon skeletons
  2 black mambas (shapeshifter)
  5 orange demons
  58 ugly things
  34 yaktaurs
  A rock troll (shapeshifter) (D:24)
  20 naga magi
  9 rock trolls
  2 hill giant skeletons
  9 komodo dragons
  2 spriggans (shapeshifter)
  Sonja (Swamp:1)
  A silent spectre (Abyss)
  3 ogre zombies
  8 spriggans (Lair:8)
  A troll (shapeshifter) (D:19)
  14 polar bears
  A queen bee (D:11)
  A deep troll zombie (Abyss)
  An iron devil (Vault:7)
  A deep troll skeleton (D:22)
  10 smoke demons (Abyss)
  2 rock troll zombies
  10 trolls
  10 blink frogs
  A bumblebee (shapeshifter) (D:17)
  9 two-headed ogres
  3 redbacks
  The ghost of mother3end the Charlatan, an average OpAr (D:3)
  2 blue devils
  6 basilisks
  A brown ooze (shapeshifter) (D:27)
  7 grizzly bears
  A merfolk zombie (Abyss)
  2 demonic crawlers (Abyss)
  2 hogs (D:18)
  2 fire elementals (Vault:1)
  42 yaks
  A blink frog zombie (D:15)
  2 deep elf conjurers
  9 wraiths
  A bumblebee (D:19)
  A merfolk (shapeshifter) (Vault:3)
  2 golden eyes (Abyss)
  A lindwurm skeleton (Abyss)
  A vampire (Abyss)
  Eustachio (D:9)
  19 fire drakes
  10 neqoxecs (Abyss)
  A shark (Lair:6)
  A wyvern (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  10 deep elf fighters
  20 vampire mosquitoes
  8 ynoxinuls
  4 hungry ghosts
  A rock worm (D:17)
  A yak (shapeshifter) (Vault:4)
  5 hippogriffs
  A clay golem (Vault:2)
  2 yaktaur zombies
  A steam dragon (D:8)
  3 hell hounds (Vault:1)
  2 mottled dragons
  2 item mimics
  16 small abominations (Abyss)
  3 manticores
  2 soldier ants
  A jumping spider (shapeshifter) (D:18)
  7 swamp worms
  97 orc warriors
  19 war dogs
  13 insubstantial wisps
  A yellow wasp (D:9)
  A cyclops skeleton (D:15)
  13 ice beasts
  6 black bears
  8 freezing wraiths
  35 ogres
  3 sky beasts
  2 red devils (Abyss)
  2 troll zombies
  72 nagas
  3 deep elf magi
  A rock worm zombie (Vault:2)
  31 centaurs
  A rotting devil (Vault:7)
  25 giant goldfish
  13 swamp drakes
  A troll skeleton (D:18)
  A yak zombie (D:10)
  Duvessa (D:7)
  9 big kobolds
  11 wargs
  A brain worm (Abyss)
  8 crocodiles
  7 giant slugs
  6 boring beetles
  32 water moccasins
  38 wolves
  17 giant frogs
  2 soldier ant zombies (D:11)
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  An agate snail (Swamp:1)
  A two-headed ogre zombie (Vault:2)
  3 giant leeches
  A basilisk skeleton (D:11)
  An eye of draining (shapeshifter) (Vault:4)
  23 killer bees
  2 eyes of draining
  8 boulder beetles
  12 jellyfish
  11 wights
  A fire bat (Abyss)
  An electric eel (Snake:1)
  7 hounds
  3 lava snakes (Snake:5)
  14 crimson imps
  2 human skeletons (D:8)
  Dowan (D:7)
  2 goliath beetles
  A shadow (Abyss)
  A gnoll shaman (D:8)
  2 hound skeletons
  2 hound zombies
  11 big fish
  11 iron imps (Abyss)
  24 orc priests
  12 deep elf soldiers
  35 orc wizards
  4 porcupines
  A scorpion (D:6)
  11 iguanas
  6 worker ants
  2 worker ant zombies (D:10)
  15 sheep
  13 jellies
  A jelly (shapeshifter) (D:19)
  18 boggarts
  A mummy (D:8)
  7 gnolls
  19 lemures (Abyss)
  16 midges (Abyss)
  21 green rats
  4 giant centipedes
  A human (shapeshifter) (Vault:8)
  3 human zombies
  2 shadow imps (Abyss)
  29 adders
  An adder zombie (D:6)
  A scorpion zombie (D:9)
  13 white imps (Abyss)
  5 worms
  A giant centipede simulacrum (Vault:4)
  38 ufetubi
  2 giant eyeballs
  8 giant geckos
  218 orcs
  6 ball pythons
  25 bats
  3 giant cockroaches
  21 hobgoblins
  25 jackals
  28 kobolds
  18 oozes
  6 quokkas
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:7)
  5 giant newts
  16 goblins
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:5)
  3 orc zombies
  A quokka skeleton (D:7)
  26 rats
  A rat zombie (D:8)
  3 plants (D:10)
  31 toadstools
2443 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A necromancer (D:21)
  A polar bear (Port)
  An orc warrior (Vault:1)
  An ogre (D:17)
  4 wolves (Port)
  A naga (Snake:3)
  A big kobold (D:7)
  A water moccasin (Snake:3)
  A porcupine (Lair:4)
  A deep elf soldier (Vault:5)
  A boggart (Vault:4)
  A green rat (Lair:4)
  An adder (Snake:1)
  5 orcs
  A hobgoblin (Orc:4)
  4 jackals (Lair:1)
  A giant spore (D:13)
  2 fungi
  6 plants
  387 toadstools
422 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 2865 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Tasonir, the Naga Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 20/20 MP: 0/0
   103 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/27 MP: 1/1
   229 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms
   558 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/2
   915 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms
   919 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 34/42 MP: 3/3
  1005 | D:2      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1157 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  1327 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 18/48 MP: 4/4
  1461 | D:3      | Noticed mother3end's ghost (average OpAr)
  1488 | D:3      | Killed mother3end's ghost
  1488 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms
  1488 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/55 MP: 5/5
  1820 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms
  1979 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 61/61 MP: 6/6
  2319 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  2370 | D:5      | Noticed Blork the orc
  2377 | D:5      | Killed Blork the orc
  2384 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms
  2613 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/69 MP: 7/7
  2694 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  2704 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  2872 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms
  3043 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3051 | D:6      | Became a worshipper of Cheibriados the Contemplative
  3232 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
  3251 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
  3251 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms
  3284 | D:7      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  3443 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  3444 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  3449 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  3449 | D:7      | Acquired Cheibriados's first power
  3449 | D:7      | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms
  3456 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  3520 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 50/75 MP: 8/8
  4404 | D:8      | Acquired Cheibriados's second power
  4406 | D:8      | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms
  4556 | D:8      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  4586 | D:8      | HP: 11/75 [wraith (6)]
  4588 | D:8      | Gained mutation: You are resistant to hostile enchantments.
  4588 | D:8      | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head.
  4588 | D:8      | Gained mutation: You are clumsy (Dex -1).
  4594 | D:8      | HP: 6/75 [wraith (8)]
  4812 | D:8      | Noticed a troll zombie
  4817 | D:8      | Killed a troll zombie
  5046 | D:8      | HP: 10/75 [steam dragon (10)]
  5048 | D:8      | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms
  5053 | D:8      | HP: 7/75 [gnoll sergeant/ spear (5)]
  5058 | D:9      | Noticed Eustachio
  5062 | D:9      | HP: 3/75 [Eustachio/sabre (5)]
  5070 | D:9      | Killed Eustachio
  5433 | D:9      | Acquired Cheibriados's third power
  5575 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  5979 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  6233 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  6244 | D:10     | Noticed Erica
  6255 | D:10     | Killed Erica
  6255 | D:10     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 33/82 MP: 11/16
  6312 | D:10     | Noticed Josephine
  6322 | D:10     | Killed Josephine
  6322 | D:10     | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms
  6322 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  6421 | D:10     | Noticed a giant amoeba
  6427 | D:10     | Acquired Cheibriados's fourth power
  6432 | D:10     | Killed a giant amoeba
  6445 | D:10     | Noticed Jozef
  6456 | D:10     | Killed Jozef
  6456 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 55/88 MP: 11/21
  6590 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  6911 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  6934 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  7872 | Lair:2   | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  8016 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
  8057 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  8748 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
  8834 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 51/102 MP: 24/24
  8845 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  9850 | Lair:4   | HP: 15/105 [spiny frog (5)]
 10487 | Lair:6   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 10491 | Lair:6   | Got an ancient cloak
 10494 | Lair:6   | Identified the +1 cloak "Cleeff" (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
 10574 | Lair:6   | Got a shimmering demon trident
 10588 | Lair:6   | Identified the demon trident "Qablaruo" {vamp, rElec rC+} (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
 11133 | Lair:7   | Got a polished cloak
 11137 | Lair:7   | Identified the cursed +0 cloak of Valour (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 11189 | Lair:7   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 79/117 MP: 26/26
 11314 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 11417 | Lair:7   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 11417 | Lair:7   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 11451 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 11634 | Lair:7   | Found a frozen archway.
 11710 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 12130 | IceCv    | Got a coral ring
 12338 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 12396 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 72/133 MP: 21/27
 12536 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
 12985 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 13321 | Lair:8   | Learned a level 1 spell: Fulsome Distillation
 13394 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
 13621 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 13635 | Orc:1    | Noticed an orc warlord
 13656 | Orc:1    | Killed an orc warlord
 14416 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 14419 | Orc:4    | Found Xafop's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 14432 | Orc:4    | Xafop's Magic Scroll Boutique was a mimic.
 14524 | Orc:4    | Noticed lfc's ghost (powerful HOPr)
 14543 | Orc:4    | Killed lfc's ghost
 14553 | Orc:4    | Found Lairoag's Book Boutique.
 14729 | Orc:4    | Found Treapt's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 14759 | Orc:4    | Found Psootry's Weapon Shoppe.
 14809 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc warlord
 14824 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc warlord
 14901 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations
 14915 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 14932 | Orc:4    | Found Kaatuud's Weapon Shoppe.
 14985 | Orc:4    | Found Awixacubi's Food Boutique.
 15196 | Orc:2    | Noticed Gastronok
 15223 | Orc:2    | Killed Gastronok
 15610 | D:11     | Identified a ring of the Octopus King {AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You found it in an ice cave)
 15646 | D:11     | Noticed a queen bee
 15677 | D:11     | Killed a queen bee
 16314 | D:13     | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 16349 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 16397 | D:13     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 141/141 MP: 28/28
 16494 | D:13     | Noticed a boulder beetle
 16513 | D:13     | Killed a boulder beetle
 16522 | D:13     | Got a fine tin ring
 16523 | D:13     | Identified the ring of Xoploon (You acquired it on level 13 of the Dungeon)
 16573 | D:14     | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon
 16573 | D:14     | Found Ghunax's Assorted Antiques.
 16573 | D:14     | Found Kiladocw's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 16600 | D:14     | Bought a scroll of blinking for 170 gold pieces
 16620 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms
 16631 | D:14     | Found Osea's Food Shop.
 16722 | D:14     | Found Ulomic's Weapon Shop.
 16725 | D:14     | Got an ichor-stained cloak
 16758 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 16889 | D:15     | Learned a level 3 spell: Passwall
 17212 | D:16     | Paralysed by you for 2 turns
 17276 | D:16     | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations
 17306 | D:16     | Noticed Louise
 17356 | D:16     | Killed Louise
 17466 | D:17     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 17476 | D:17     | Noticed a bumblebee
 17482 | D:17     | Killed a bumblebee
 17771 | D:17     | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
 17890 | Vault:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 17890 | Vault:1  | Found Clabus' General Store.
 17929 | Vault:1  | Bought a +1 cloak of preservation for 155 gold pieces
 18009 | Vault:1  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 139/151 MP: 29/29
 18063 | Vault:1  | Reached XP level 15. HP: 104/141 MP: 28/28
 18113 | Vault:1  | Learned a level 4 spell: Dig
 18120 | Vault:1  | Identified the +1 cloak of the Stars (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 18315 | Vault:1  | Found Ameiko Grur's Armour Shoppe.
 18320 | Vault:1  | Bought a +1 pair of orcish gloves of strength for 162 gold pieces
 18364 | Vault:2  | Noticed Frances
 18375 | Vault:2  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 99/151 MP: 18/29
 18383 | Vault:2  | Killed Frances
 18429 | Vault:2  | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 18658 | Vault:3  | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 18668 | Lab      | Entered a Labyrinth
 19301 | Lab      | Got a faintly humming splint mail
 19302 | Lab      | Identified the +5 splint mail of the Eternal Void (You found it in a Labyrinth)
 19336 | Vault:3  | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
 19642 | Vault:3  | Noticed a deep elf death mage
 19644 | Vault:3  | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
 19645 | Vault:3  | Killed a deep elf death mage
 19646 | Vault:3  | Noticed a shining eye
 19646 | Vault:3  | a shining eye changed into a lindwurm
 19888 | Vault:4  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 113/158 MP: 29/29
 20325 | Vault:4  | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades.
 20910 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 20912 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Vithe's ghost (powerful FeTm)
 20951 | Swamp:1  | Killed Vithe's ghost
 21389 | Swamp:5  | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp
 21405 | Swamp:5  | Reached skill level 10 in Translocations
 21497 | Swamp:5  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 21751 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Sonja
 21771 | Swamp:1  | Killed Sonja
 21855 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 21879 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 22029 | Snake:2  | Noticed Donald
 22030 | Snake:2  | Noticed Snorg
 22044 | Snake:2  | Killed Donald
 22049 | Snake:2  | Killed Snorg
 22254 | Snake:2  | Noticed Saint Roka
 22273 | Snake:2  | HP: 19/158 [orc warrior/orcish trident[Saint Roka] (7)]
 22276 | Snake:2  | HP: 9/158 [Saint Roka/divine providence (9)]
 22279 | Snake:2  | Killed Saint Roka
 22279 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 22297 | Snake:2  | HP: 19/158 [anaconda (10)]
 22302 | Snake:2  | HP: 19/158 [poisoned by a naga mage (poison arrow)]
 22518 | Snake:2  | Reached XP level 18. HP: 95/168 MP: 30/30
 22524 | Snake:3  | Found Kuasm's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 22568 | Snake:3  | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 99 gold pieces
 22568 | Snake:3  | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 99 gold pieces
 22568 | Snake:3  | Bought a scroll of blinking for 99 gold pieces
 22568 | Snake:3  | Bought a scroll of blinking for 99 gold pieces
 22575 | Snake:3  | Noticed Roxanne
 22597 | Snake:3  | Killed Roxanne
 22599 | Snake:3  | Got a blackened book
 22600 | Snake:3  | Identified Roxanne's Compendium of Shape Shifting (You took it off Roxanne on level 3 of the Snake Pit)
 22701 | Snake:3  | Noticed Nikola
 22716 | Snake:3  | Noticed Norris
 22730 | Snake:3  | Killed Nikola
 22744 | Snake:3  | Killed Norris
 22800 | Snake:4  | Found Caug's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 23052 | Snake:5  | Entered Level 5 of the Snake Pit
 23119 | Snake:5  | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar.
 23156 | bazaar   | Entered a bazaar
 23156 | bazaar   | Found Cunu Zab's Jewellery Boutique.
 23156 | bazaar   | Found Gimaotas' Weapon Boutique.
 23157 | bazaar   | Found Gumpat Puot's Weapon Emporium.
 23166 | bazaar   | Found Bemy's Assorted Antiques.
 23211 | bazaar   | Bought the ring of Kuluovo {rC++ MR} for 742 gold pieces
 23600 | Snake:5  | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 23929 | Snake:5  | Reached XP level 19. HP: 173/175 MP: 20/31
 24077 | Snake:5  | Got a serpentine rune of Zot
 24294 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
 24362 | Snake:1  | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 24675 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 4 spell: Control Teleport
 24682 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 6 spell: Statue Form
 24698 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 7 spell: Controlled Blink
 24704 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 5 spell: Phase Shift
 24786 | D:15     | Noticed Maud
 24787 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 24820 | D:15     | Killed Maud
 24889 | D:16     | Found Qudisept's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 24930 | D:16     | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 33 gold pieces
 24930 | D:16     | Bought a scroll of acquirement for 572 gold pieces
 24930 | D:16     | Bought a scroll of blinking for 60 gold pieces
 24982 | Vault:1  | Noticed Azrael
 24989 | Vault:1  | Noticed a fire elemental
 24994 | Vault:1  | Killed a fire elemental
 25006 | Vault:1  | Killed Azrael
 25031 | Vault:1  | Noticed a fire elemental
 25043 | Vault:1  | Killed a fire elemental
 25331 | Vault:5  | Noticed a deep elf conjurer
 25341 | Vault:5  | Killed a deep elf conjurer
 25537 | Vault:6  | Reached XP level 20. HP: 150/184 MP: 33/33
 25672 | Vault:6  | Reached XP level 19. HP: 154/175 MP: 32/32
 25751 | Vault:6  | Noticed a deep elf conjurer
 25751 | Vault:6  | Noticed a deep elf mage
 25753 | Vault:6  | Killed a deep elf conjurer
 25757 | Vault:6  | Killed a deep elf mage
 25764 | Vault:6  | Reached XP level 20. HP: 184/184 MP: 32/33
 26021 | Vault:7  | Noticed a deep elf mage
 26026 | Vault:7  | Killed a deep elf mage
 26151 | Vault:8  | Entered Level 8 of the Vaults
 26154 | Vault:8  | Reached skill level 10 in Transmutations
 26330 | Vault:8  | HP: 19/239 [titan/the air (24)]
 26336 | Vault:8  | HP: 22/239 [iron troll (2)]
 26337 | Vault:8  | HP: 6/239 [iron troll (8)]
 26342 | Vault:8  | HP: 35/239 [fire giant/fireball (19)]
 26349 | Vault:8  | HP: 32/239 [iron troll (8)]
 26349 | Vault:8  | HP: 5/239 [sphinx/divine providence (13)]
 26607 | Vault:7  | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 26617 | Vault:7  | HP: 23/184 [stone giant (21)]
 26669 | Vault:7  | HP: 27/184 [iron troll (3)]
 26674 | Vault:7  | HP: 18/184 [iron troll (12)]
 26685 | Vault:7  | HP: 8/184 [ogre/giant club[an ogre mage] (17)]
 26984 | Vault:7  | Got a shimmering ivory ring
 26985 | Vault:7  | Identified the cursed ring of Egomania (You found it on level 7 of the Vaults)
 27023 | Vault:8  | Noticed a shining eye
 27023 | Vault:8  | a shining eye changed into a manticore
 27079 | Vault:8  | HP: 30/239 [stone giant (15)]
 27581 | Vault:8  | Noticed a deep elf death mage
 27589 | Vault:8  | Killed a deep elf death mage
 27620 | Vault:7  | HP: 25/239 [stone giant (17)]
 28361 | Vault:8  | Got a jewelled sling
 28362 | Vault:8  | Identified the cursed -5,-2 sling of Uhobocs (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)
 28372 | Vault:8  | Noticed a pulsating lump
 28372 | Vault:8  | a hill giant changed into a pulsating lump
 28374 | Vault:8  | a pulsating lump changed into a merfolk
 28375 | Vault:8  | Noticed a deep elf death mage
 28377 | Vault:8  | Noticed a pulsating lump
 28377 | Vault:8  | a manticore changed into a pulsating lump
 28378 | Vault:8  | a pulsating lump changed into a sea snake
 28379 | Vault:8  | Killed a deep elf death mage
 28446 | Vault:8  | Got a black book
 28447 | Vault:8  | Identified Gyunwump's Compendium of Flying Combat Magic (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)
 28653 | Vault:8  | Noticed a guardian serpent
 28653 | Vault:8  | a cyclops changed into a guardian serpent
 28654 | Vault:8  | a guardian serpent changed into a polar bear
 28738 | Vault:8  | HP: 24/239 [shadow dragon/bolt of negative energy (15)]
 29219 | Vault:8  | Noticed Boris
 29234 | Vault:8  | Killed Boris
 29678 | D:18     | Found Chag's Assorted Antiques.
 29681 | D:18     | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 120 gold pieces
 29681 | D:18     | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 120 gold pieces
 29684 | D:18     | Found Qatt's Weapon Emporium.
 29764 | D:18     | Found Xyil's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 29809 | D:18     | Noticed Kirke
 29815 | D:18     | Killed Kirke
 29852 | D:18     | Found Ytav's Antique Armour Shoppe.
 30194 | D:19     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 30198 | D:19     | the staircase to the Vaults was a mimic.
 30340 | D:19     | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 30340 | D:19     | Noticed a bone dragon
 30391 | D:19     | Killed a bone dragon
 30391 | D:19     | Reached XP level 21. HP: 68/193 MP: 38/38
 30395 | D:19     | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 30476 | D:20     | Entered Level 20 of the Dungeon
 30711 | D:21     | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
 30792 | D:21     | Noticed a shining eye
 30798 | D:21     | Killed a shining eye
 30885 | D:21     | Noticed Margery
 30897 | D:21     | Killed Margery
 30897 | D:21     | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 31241 | D:22     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 31346 | D:22     | Found a gateway to Hell.
 31760 | D:23     | Got a steaming pewter ring
 31775 | D:23     | Identified the ring "Jowav" (You found it on level 23 of the Dungeon)
 31871 | D:24     | Found Mas Vac's Distillery.
 31876 | D:24     | Bought a potion of curing for 48 gold pieces
 31930 | D:24     | Got a faintly glowing crystal amulet
 31931 | D:24     | Identified the cursed amulet of Divine Intervention (You found it on level 24 of the Dungeon)
 32077 | D:25     | Entered Level 25 of the Dungeon
 32278 | D:25     | Noticed a deep elf mage
 32291 | D:25     | Killed a deep elf mage
 32380 | D:25     | Noticed a pulsating lump
 32380 | D:25     | an eye of devastation changed into a pulsating lump
 32380 | D:25     | a pulsating lump changed into a merfolk
 32388 | D:25     | Noticed a guardian serpent
 32390 | D:25     | Killed a guardian serpent
 32680 | D:26     | Noticed an orc warlord
 32705 | D:26     | Killed an orc warlord
 32762 | D:26     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 32773 | D:26     | Reached skill level 16 in Spellcasting
 33253 | D:27     | Entered Level 27 of the Dungeon
 33398 | D:27     | Reached XP level 22. HP: 201/201 MP: 40/40
 33590 | D:27     | Reached skill level 15 in Earth Magic
 33660 | D:27     | Noticed a bone dragon
 34009 | D:27     | Reached XP level 21. HP: 237/252 MP: 25/40
 34011 | D:27     | Killed a bone dragon
 34011 | D:27     | Reached XP level 22. HP: 202/202 MP: 26/40
 34016 | D:27     | Reached XP level 21. HP: 237/252 MP: 26/40
 34110 | D:27     | HP: 33/252 [fire drake/blast of flame[a white draconian caller] (27)]
 34382 | D:27     | Reached XP level 22. HP: 156/204 MP: 25/40
 34382 | D:27     | Reached XP level 21. HP: 153/194 MP: 20/40
 34470 | D:27     | Reached XP level 22. HP: 151/204 MP: 40/40
 34545 | D:27     | Reached XP level 21. HP: 62/252 MP: 12/40
 34546 | D:26     | HP: 29/252 [deep troll (12)]
 34554 | D:26     | HP: 35/252 [deep troll (3)]
 34561 | D:26     | Reached XP level 22. HP: 59/204 MP: 9/40
 35016 | D:27     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 35061 | D:27     | Noticed a bone dragon
 35126 | D:27     | HP: 23/205 [bone dragon (11)]
 35127 | D:27     | Killed a bone dragon
 35897 | D:27     | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
 35916 | Abyss    | Entered The Abyss
 36234 | Abyss    | Noticed a Pit Fiend
 36245 | Abyss    | Killed a Pit Fiend
 36326 | Abyss    | Noticed an iron golem
 36344 | Abyss    | Killed an iron golem
 36376 | Abyss    | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
 36385 | Abyss    | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
 36481 | Abyss    | Noticed a grey draconian
 36493 | Abyss    | Killed a grey draconian
 36616 | Abyss    | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
 36617 | Abyss    | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
 36982 | Abyss    | Noticed a soul eater
 36987 | Abyss    | Killed a soul eater
 37121 | Abyss    | Got an encrusted naga barding
 37131 | Abyss    | Identified the +3 naga barding "Huibyipn" (You acquired it in the Abyss)
 37583 | Abyss    | Got a warped naga barding
 37593 | Abyss    | Identified the +0 naga barding of the World (You acquired it in the Abyss)
 37690 | Abyss    | Noticed a vampire
 37692 | Abyss    | Killed a vampire
 37743 | Abyss    | Noticed a white draconian zealot
 37750 | Abyss    | Killed a white draconian zealot
 38067 | Abyss    | Noticed a silent spectre
 38072 | Abyss    | Killed a silent spectre
 38114 | Abyss    | Gained mutation: Space occasionally distorts in your vicinity.
 38120 | Abyss    | Gained mutation: You have very sharp teeth.
 38137 | Abyss    | Noticed a red devil
 38140 | Abyss    | Noticed a naga mage
 38150 | Abyss    | Killed a red devil
 38154 | Abyss    | Killed a naga mage
 38289 | Abyss    | Noticed a necromancer
 38400 | Abyss    | Noticed a red devil
 38411 | Abyss    | Killed a red devil
 38491 | Abyss    | Noticed an ancient lich
 38504 | Abyss    | HP: 30/206 [ancient lich (3)]
 38505 | Abyss    | Killed from afar by an ancient lich


In short, skipping elf, crypt, blades, and not fully exploring all the levels that I did do, leaves you with quite a good bit less exp. Trying to clear vault:8 at level 20 was very tough. Most of the mobs I could handle just fine, but the shadow dragons in particular were not only nearly killing me, but draining me a great deal. I had at most rN+ from gear, and could get rN++ if I also used statue form. Of course casting statue form was still a level 2 (light red) miscast, even though the failure rate was down to around 13% at the time. I eventually decided to just C-teleport my way back out and go down to D27, then to abyss for the third rune, clear out some of Zot, and then go back to vaults, slime, and on to extended...

While in the abyss I picked up the lovely teleportitis mutation, and was taking forever to find a vault. I eventually did find one, a holy vault, and was resting for a few turns outside the gate since I was below 50% health. I never found the regeneration spell all game, of course. Teleportitis kicks in. Even before the Abyss my turn count was already above my goal, and trying to find the abyss rune with teleportitis caused me to stop caring that much about the character, even though I had 10 observers in webtiles :) A couple of turns later I ran into an ancient lich who gave me a friendly reminder that he can easily dish out 82 damage in a single iron shot, and that I probably should have gotten around to finishing shields 15 to use the large shield. Although reflecting an iron shot that powerful would have been hilarious :)

The vampiric demon trident was useful, but at -4/-3, it did slow me down somewhat. I switched to flaming eventually. I had intended to go for 2 handed, but didn't find any bardiches for a very long time, and then eventually found only one which was plain. I just stuck with the demon tridents I already had at that point.

Edit: in hindsight, 650 turns for a labyrinth probably isn't worth it either.

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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 12:44

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

Speedrunning with a Naga of Chei! It's double ironic!
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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 15:07

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

You are the first person I've seen who has been obsessed enough with Nagas of Chei to try speedrunning them.
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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 18:59

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

you must not look very hard - last I checked I don't have the high score for naga ;) Unless of Chei is what makes it insane, I was attempting to beat this run:

http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/je ... 180848.txt

He does use ashenzari, but the concept is the same, melee naga. Chei's slower movement doesn't affect turns used for scoring, only game time...
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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 19:05

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

Of Chei is indeed what makes it insane, since speedrunners need every advantage they can get (and chei is not an advantage).

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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 19:21

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

Hitting harder per turn is important for turncount, so having +15 str is better then having more attacks. Having +15 int makes getting casting online easier while under turn pressure. the +dex isn't as useful to a naga since my EV will remain terrible likely all the way to the end, although I did try to get some dodging.

Ashenzari basically only boosts skills - I have no need for clarity as I have high MR and I'm not evoking crystal balls. I have innate see invisible. Auto identifying all items is certainly useful, but doing the normal obeying likely good items is good enough. You may miss something but you'll probably find what you need. +15 int is roughly as good as +4-5 skill levels in schools, so really the only edge is +physical skills and haste. +15 str/dex is worth more to me than some boosted armor skill, especially if I'm in statue form. It's about killing things in less hits, not less time.

I haven't even gotten to the abilities ;) Slouch clears huge packs in 3 turns, saving dozens of turns of fighting. This is usually a weakness of melee and is complimented very well by Chei, with a much longer range than TSO's nuke, and effective against all types of mobs. Giant eyeballs are up to you, though ;)

I think people are just so used to haste they aren't willing to relearn crawl to play it a different way. I can understand this...I was trying to get ogres off the ground but after splatting 50 or so of them, you just want to go back to a combo you know you can clear lair with in 5 or less characters ;)

Edit: fixed it to say *not* evoking crystal balls, if I was, then clarity would be awesome ;)
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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 19:25

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

Ashenzari basically only boosts skills


wtf

Ashenzari has Pan portal detection, scrying, Abyss portal detection, mapping for Hell staircases, slightly less important mapping for other staircases, clarity for crystal ball usage if you want to not rest for MP, etc. If you can't see the worth of this for speedrunning (and the worth of haste) and instead are trying to do it with Chei you should probably not even try. Pan, Abyss and Hells are cut to extremely short amounts of time with Ash, with Chei you will need ages in comparison.

The concept of the two characters (or should I say "the playstyle") are pretty different. Just look at jeanjacques' title, it says all you need to know.
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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 19:55

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

...look, I'm done telling you why chei is not the best choice. Have fun with your nagas. Maybe one day you can learn the rest of crawl.

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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 20:02

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

Granted, mapping stairs and portals is useful for shaving turns off, I suppose I wasn't thinking of it from a speedrunning perspective when I wrote the above :)

Also, I have won with trog (my first win), so I'm not 100% chei wins, just mostly ;)
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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 20:21

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

@Off-topic:

I want to step in here and say something. There's a fine line between advice, debate, and harassment.

So tasonir likes to play Na whatevers of Chei. Maybe this isn't always optimal. Maybe it never is.

But you know what? That doesn't matter. If all we cared about was optimality, everyone would play MiFi^Oka all the time (or whatever the strongest combo is at this time, I'm not here to debate it). We play interesting combinations. Because they're fun. Because they mix up the game play. Because they present unique challenges, or deny us tools we might otherwise depend on.

He's playing this way. Consider it a conduct if you have to. He obviously doesn't want to do it differently right now, so for gods sake stop telling him Chei sucks and he needs to use haste every time he posts. He'll play something else when he's good and ready. In the meantime? Shut up and play nice.

(Obviously you're free to disagree or debate. But for goodness sakes, be nice about it. Some people seem to take it as a personal affront that T here is playing in a manner they consider sub-optimal).

@On-topic:

You speedrun nagas? Interesting. I slow-run spriggans.
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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 20:26

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

@Off-topic:

All of that is fine. I play sub-optimally often. I like doing silly things like diving spar or scumming wonders or playing freaking DDAK*Lugonu or whatever. However. What I do not do is tell everyone else that they're wrong, that bad is good, that what I'm doing is, in fact, optimal. And I'm sorry, but he does. And when someone does that, they open themselves up to criticism based on that. It's okay to play the game how you want to play it. It's okay to ignore things that make it easier. When I am told that something clearly making things more challenging is a good idea, of course I will say something.

In other words, playing difficult combos and imposing conducts on yourself is great. Telling other people (and yourself) that it is the best thing to do...not so great.

(edit) I will admit, however, to being overly harsh at times. Sometimes I let my temper get the better of me and make snide, uncalled-for remarks. When that happens, I am sorry.

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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 20:39

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

There's something for everyone and there's someone on this board who is willing to help anyone who wishes to play nagas of Chei. I'm starting to find the criticism is bordering on harassment. Nagas aren't my cup of tea and more power to Tasonir for whatever he's doing if he enjoys it.

Seriously, to each their own.

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Post Friday, 27th April 2012, 20:44

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

banei wrote:There's something for everyone and there's someone on this board who is willing to help anyone who wishes to play nagas of Chei. I'm starting to find the criticism is bordering on harassment. Nagas aren't my cup of tea and more power to Tasonir for whatever he's doing if he enjoys it.

Seriously, to each their own.


There's someone "who is willing to help anyone who wishes to play nagas of Chei" and someone who says "(nagas of Chei) quickly develop into durable fighters with incredible damage output" or "are extremly powerful fighters". When someone writes a guide including stuff like this criticism is going to come.
That isn't too related to this thread of course, because it doesn't say much of that stuff. It did say that Ash was no better than Chei for speedrunning though, which is a pretty ridiculous statement and to which I gave reasons and not "harassment". And yes, maybe the wording wasn't friendly per se but there is such a thing as irony/not-quite-so-serious :P
Of course noone is opposed to anyone playing anything here (usually, anyway) - I play lots of horrible stuff myself and would be pissed if someone kept on telling me to stop, but that doesn't make it good to call mediocre to horrible stuff amazing (in which case telling me to stop would be pretty understandable, "stop" referring to telling people, not playing).

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Post Saturday, 28th April 2012, 02:53

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

I appreciate the support, and perhaps I'll try something else for the next run ;) I do certainly concede I was completely overlooking the stair detection for speedrunning benefit, I was thinking more of standard games. I'll try to reduce the Chei is awesome posts, but I probably still secretly believe it!

Maybe I can make drastic changes and play draconian transmuters instead. I mean, dragon form instead of statue form, completely different ;)
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Post Saturday, 28th April 2012, 03:54

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

tasonir wrote:Maybe I can make drastic changes and play draconian transmuters instead. I mean, dragon form instead of statue form, completely different ;)


This is all I've been playing. Finally got a good one with Dragon Form going and whoops got sent to Abyss and trounced by a wandering angel and a lich. You'd think they'd be at odds, but nooooooooooooooooo.
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Post Saturday, 28th April 2012, 08:28

Re: YASD: NaGl*Chei - speedrunning is harder than it looks

tasonir wrote:I appreciate the support, and perhaps I'll try something else for the next run ;) I do certainly concede I was completely overlooking the stair detection for speedrunning benefit, I was thinking more of standard games. I'll try to reduce the Chei is awesome posts, but I probably still secretly believe it!

Maybe I can make drastic changes and play draconian transmuters instead. I mean, dragon form instead of statue form, completely different ;)


I'll warn you: Dragon Form is sort of dissapointing. You'd expect it to make you into a tab slaying machine who doesn't need a thoughtful player, but your great lack of defences and the very annoying trample make it a spell that only increases the need for tactics in combat. Of course oneshotting orb guardians is sort of fun anyway. :P
So yes, it is actually very different from Statue Form because Statue Form is sort of the "nearly invulnerably but slow killing machine" spell.

Blade Hands MiTm is pretty fun though from what I've heard and thought. It's like SETm but with HP.

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