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Snake Sneak

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Post Wednesday, 4th January 2012, 09:20

YASD: Why volcanoes suck

Because they kill you.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10-a0-3027-g780e22f character file.

53905 Midget Creep the Eclecticist (level 14, -5/61 HPs)
             Began as a Spriggan Stalker on Jan 2, 2012.
             Was the Champion of Ashenzari.
             Engulfed by a cloud of flame (25 damage)
             ... in a volcano on Jan 3, 2012.
             The game lasted 01:57:47 (37287 turns).

Midget Creep the Eclecticist (Spriggan Stalker)    Turns: 37287, Time: 01:57:47

HP  -5/61        AC 10     Str  7      XL: 14   Next: 35%
MP  35/38        EV 21     Int 21      God: Ashenzari [******]
Gold 1482        SH  0     Dex 18      Spells:  8 memorised, 27 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +    y - +2,+1 short sword (distort) (curse) {Sonja
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  h - +3 steam dragon armour (curse)
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .    (shield restricted)
Res.Acid. : + . .   Res.Corr.  : +    (helmet restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : +    s - +1 cloak {darkness} (curse)
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    c - cursed amulet of resist corrosion
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    n - cursed ring of wizardry
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    B - cursed +3 ring of intelligence

@: very quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extraordinarily stealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 3, Str
+1
a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You were in a volcano.
You worshipped Ashenzari.
Ashenzari was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 22 of its levels.
You visited 3 portal chambers: sewer, bailey, volcano.

You collected 1513 gold pieces.
You spent 51 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 y - a cursed +2,+1 short sword of distortion (weapon) {Sonja}
Armour
 h - a cursed +3 steam dragon armour (worn)
 s - a cursed +1 cloak of darkness (worn)
Magical devices
 e - a wand of lightning (5)
 p - a wand of confusion (8)
 r - a wand of enslavement (7)
 w - a wand of polymorph other (5)
Comestibles
 i - a bread ration
Scrolls
 q - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 A - a scroll of blinking
Jewellery
 c - a cursed amulet of resist corrosion (around neck)
 n - a cursed ring of wizardry (right hand)
 B - a cursed +3 ring of intelligence (left hand)
Potions
 a - a potion of might
 b - 4 potions of confusion
 d - 2 potions of degeneration
 j - 2 potions of brilliance
 z - a potion of berserk rage
 C - 4 potions of poison
 H - 2 potions of agility


   Skills:
 - Level 0.7 Fighting
 - Level 8.4(14.1) Short Blades
 - Level 3.0(5.6) Dodging
 - Level 11.6(14.9) Stealth
 - Level 15.0 Stabbing
 + Level 2.0 Traps & Doors
 - Level 18.2 Spellcasting
 + Level 3.7(7.8) Conjurations
 - Level 9.0(13.3) Charms
 - Level 1.1(3.7) Necromancy
 - Level 9.2(13.5) Transmutations
 - Level 6.0(10.5) Fire Magic
 - Level 2.0(5.3) Earth Magic
 - Level 12.4(17.3) Evocations


You had 27 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Success   Level  Hunger
a - Evaporate             Fire/Trmt      #######      Excellent   2    None
b - Apportation           Tloc           ####......   Excellent   1    None
d - Bolt of Fire          Fire/Conj      #######...   Excellent   6    Honeycomb
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          Excellent   2    None
q - Fulsome Distillation  Trmt/Necr      N/A          Excellent   1    None
s - Dig                   Erth/Trmt      #######..    Excellent   4    None
w - Flight                Air/Chrm       ######....   Excellent   3    None
z - Passwall              Erth/Trmt      #######...   Excellent   3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (2/4) D:11
   Lair (8/8) D:11          Swamp (0/5) Lair:4       Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
  Slime (0/6) Lair:7     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:7: ?  D:8: !  D:11: (  Orc:1: (

Annotations
D:3 Grinder
Lair:2 Big Fat Baby's ghost, powerful OgHu
Lair:7 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:8 dire vault, exclusion: door


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need consume almost no food.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).


Message History

You spit the fire elemental like a pig!!!
You destroy the fire elemental!
Your Traps & Doors skill increases to level 2!
You barely miss the fire vortex.
You puncture the fire vortex! The fire vortex disappears! The fire vortex barely misses you.
You barely miss the fire vortex.
You slash the fire vortex.
Space warps horribly around the fire vortex!
The fire vortex is almost destroyed.
The air gets thick with the scent of sulphur.
You puncture the fire vortex.
The fire vortex is lightly damaged.
You open the door.
The volcano roars to life, belching forth lava!
You are engulfed in roaring flames.
There is an open door here.
You are engulfed in roaring flames. Your scroll of fear catches fire!
You are engulfed in roaring flames.
You are engulfed in roaring flames.
You die...

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You could see 2 fire vortices.

Vanquished Creatures
  Rupert (Lair:4)
  Jozef (Lair:4)
  Josephine (D:10)
  A hydra (Lair:7)
  13 death yaks
  A centaur warrior (D:11)
  An unseen horror (D:11)
  Pikel (D:4)
  Joseph (D:10)
  3 orc knights (Volcano)
  2 griffons
  A feature mimic (Lair:4)
  An elephant slug (Lair:7)
  7 elephants
  5 black mambas
  3 slime creatures (D:8)
  A hill giant zombie (D:11)
  Psyche (D:10)
  8 spiny frogs
  Sonja (D:10)
  A polar bear (Lair:8)
  3 komodo dragons
  A spriggan (D:7)
  Prince Ribbit (D:4)
  3 trolls
  A baby alligator (Lair:4)
  17 blink frogs
  3 basilisks
  A wyvern (Lair:7)
  An octopode (Lair:6)
  15 yaks
  2 fire elementals (Volcano)
  4 hungry ghosts
  5 hippogriffs
  Grum (D:11)
  A vampire mosquito (Lair:4)
  12 war dogs
  Edmund (D:4)
  4 fire drakes
  A cyclops zombie (D:10)
  A slave (D:4)
  2 manticores
  4 giant goldfish
  A necrophage (D:10)
  2 ice beasts
  11 crocodiles
  3 sky beasts
  A yak skeleton (D:10)
  4 centaurs
  2 phantoms
  13 orc warriors
  2 troll zombies (D:11)
  A swamp drake (Lair:4)
  Sigmund (D:5)
  10 ogres
  4 giant slugs
  9 water moccasins
  13 giant frogs
  2 big kobolds
  A yellow wasp zombie (D:10)
  A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:10)
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  3 agate snails
  A water moccasin skeleton (D:10)
  5 wights (D:7)
  13 killer bees
  2 vampire bats (Lair:7)
  An elf (Lair:6)
  5 ogre zombies (D:11)
  2 big kobold zombies
  3 crimson imps
  3 electric eels (Lair:4)
  2 shadows
  14 hounds
  2 goliath beetles
  A big fish (Volcano)
  A hound zombie (D:8)
  7 orc priests
  Crazy Yiuf (D:3)
  17 orc wizards
  4 hound skeletons
  10 porcupines
  An orange rat (D:11)
  6 worker ants
  5 iguanas
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  Ijyb (D:3)
  6 jellies
  A mummy (D:9)
  15 adders
  4 gnolls
  3 giant centipedes
  67 green rats
  4 giant mites
  An iguana skeleton (D:9)
  4 worms
  A bat skeleton (D:9)
  A bat zombie (D:6)
  A giant eyeball (D:11)
  An ooze (D:4)
  107 orcs
  25 bats
  9 giant cockroaches
  25 goblins
  3 grey rats (Volcano)
  12 hobgoblins
  7 jackals
  A ball python (D:2)
  6 giant geckos
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:3)
  10 giant newts
  3 goblin skeletons (D:11)
  A goblin zombie (D:11)
  5 hobgoblin zombies (D:11)
  21 kobolds
  5 orc skeletons (D:11)
  9 orc zombies (D:11)
  7 quokkas
  A quokka skeleton (D:5)
  30 rats
  3 rat skeletons
  A fungus (Lair:6)
  2 plants
  9 toadstools
744 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An elf (Lair:8)
  A death yak (Lair:8)
  7 elephants
  A slime creature (Lair:7)
  A spiny frog (Lair:2)
  2 komodo dragons
  A blink frog (Lair:3)
  2 yaks
  A fire vortex (Volcano)
  A fire elemental (Volcano)
  Menkaure (D:4)
  A small abomination (D:7)
  An orc warrior (D:11)
  A giant goldfish (Lair:5)
  A giant slug (Lair:1)
  A water moccasin (Lair:3)
  An agate snail (Lair:6)
  A killer bee (D:11)
  A hound (Lair:5)
  An orc priest (Orc:1)
  An iguana (Lair:4)
  An adder (D:4)
  9 green rats
  6 orcs
  A giant cockroach (D:4)
  2 hobgoblins
  A quokka (Lair:3)
  A bat (D:4)
  2 orc zombies (D:11)
  2 rats
  14 fungi
  5 plants
  17 toadstools
90 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 834 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Midget Creep, the Spriggan Stalker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 2/2
   277 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 14/14 MP: 5/5
   297 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Evaporate
   659 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
  1602 | D:1      | Noticed a crimson imp
  1764 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/18 MP: 8/8
  1820 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Transmutations
  1977 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
  2959 | D:3      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  3014 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 19/22 MP: 11/11
  3255 | D:3      | Noticed Ijyb
  3292 | D:3      | Defeated Ijyb
  3412 | D:4      | Noticed Edmund
  3420 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  3430 | D:4      | Defeated Blork the orc
  3430 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations
  3430 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 13/25 MP: 7/15
  3449 | D:4      | Defeated Edmund
  3449 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Stabbing
  3449 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 10/30 MP: 7/18
  3454 | D:4      | Learned a level 3 spell: Passwall
  3879 | D:3      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  3885 | D:3      | Defeated Crazy Yiuf
  3958 | D:3      | Noticed Grinder
  4180 | D:4      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  4194 | D:4      | Noticed Menkaure
  4201 | D:4      | Defeated Prince Ribbit
  4201 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  4201 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Transmutations
  4201 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/33 MP: 14/20
  4906 | D:4      | Found a glowing drain.
  4912 | D:4      | Noticed Pikel
  4915 | sewer    | Entered the sewers
  5082 | sewer    | Reached skill level 8 in Transmutations
  5103 | sewer    | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  5267 | D:4      | Defeated Pikel
  5267 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Transmutations
  5267 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 16/37 MP: 21/24
  5510 | D:4      | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
  5846 | D:4      | Defeated Menkaure
  5972 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6008 | D:5      | Noticed Sigmund
  6044 | D:5      | Defeated Sigmund
  6460 | D:5      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6645 | D:5      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  6769 | D:5      | Learned a level 4 spell: Dig
  7432 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 41/41 MP: 20/27
  7676 | D:6      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  8277 | D:7      | Found Onkuadarph's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
  8603 | D:7      | Bought a scroll of noise for 15 gold pieces
  9536 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  9701 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  9774 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled
  9893 | D:7      | Found a flagged portal.
  9948 | bailey   | Entered the bailey
 10076 | bailey   | Reached skill level 10 in Stabbing
 10235 | bailey   | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 10237 | bailey   | Reached skill level 11 in Stabbing
 10237 | bailey   | Reached XP level 10. HP: 43/45 MP: 26/29
 11952 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 12359 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 12634 | D:8      | Found Pounim's Distillery.
 12722 | D:8      | Noticed a slime creature
 12765 | D:8      | Defeated a slime creature
 13587 | D:8      | Noticed a slime creature
 13589 | D:8      | Noticed a slime creature
 13601 | D:8      | Defeated a slime creature
 13601 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 13614 | D:8      | Defeated a slime creature
 13614 | D:8      | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting
 14436 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 49/49 MP: 29/31
 14639 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 14890 | D:10     | Noticed Psyche
 14892 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
 15040 | D:8      | Bought a potion of restore abilities for 36 gold pieces
 15124 | D:10     | Defeated Psyche
 15735 | D:10     | Noticed Josephine
 15735 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre skeleton
 15754 | D:10     | Noticed a yak skeleton
 15756 | D:10     | Identified the +3 scale mail of the Snake Pit
 15764 | D:10     | Noticed Sonja
 15769 | D:10     | Defeated Sonja
 15801 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
 16110 | D:10     | Defeated a yak skeleton
 16114 | D:10     | Defeated Josephine
 16116 | D:10     | Defeated a two-headed ogre skeleton
 16291 | D:10     | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting
 16602 | D:10     | Noticed Joseph
 16614 | D:10     | Defeated Joseph
 16623 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 16717 | D:10     | Acquired Ashenzari's first power
 16780 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 17000 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 17633 | D:11     | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting
 17819 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
 18238 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 53/53 MP: 34/34
 18726 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
 18741 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
 18845 | D:11     | Found Gitiar's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 18909 | D:11     | Identified the +4,-1 sling of Watchfulness {velocity, +Lev rF+ Stlth+}
 18909 | D:11     | Identified the +2,+7 spear of Causality {pierce, *Rage rC+ MR}
 19393 | D:11     | Noticed Grum
 19442 | D:11     | Defeated Grum
 20026 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 21351 | Lair:1   | Acquired Ashenzari's second power
 22645 | Lair:2   | Acquired Ashenzari's third power
 22805 | Lair:2   | Noticed Big Fat Baby's ghost (powerful OgHu)
 24582 | Lair:3   | Identified the cursed -5,-1 hand axe "Kykauk"
 24908 | Lair:4   | You fall through a shaft!
 24971 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 24985 | Lair:7   | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power
 27076 | Lair:4   | Noticed Rupert
 27233 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 27237 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 55/57 MP: 31/36
 27442 | Lair:4   | Learned a level 3 spell: Flight
 27763 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 28689 | Lair:4   | Noticed Jozef
 29661 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 15 in Stabbing
 29997 | Lair:4   | Defeated Jozef
 30034 | Lair:4   | Paralysed by Rupert for 4 turns
 30079 | Lair:4   | Defeated Rupert
 30188 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 30303 | Lair:5   | Identified the +3,+9 war axe "Phuacez"
 31220 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 31507 | Lair:7   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 32159 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 16 in Spellcasting
 33142 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 33322 | Lair:8   | Identified the +0 leather armour of Foeschy
 33349 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 17 in Spellcasting
 33357 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 61/61 MP: 30/38
 33401 | Lair:8   | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 33627 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 33632 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 33864 | Lair:8   | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 33922 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
 34082 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 18 in Spellcasting
 35653 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 35653 | Orc:1    | Found Aruuphur's Antique Weapon Shop.
 36536 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
 36785 | Orc:2    | Found a dark tunnel.
 36841 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 37287 | Volcano  | Engulfed by a cloud of flame

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Post Wednesday, 4th January 2012, 09:24

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

Actually I think volcanoes blow.

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Post Wednesday, 4th January 2012, 14:28

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

greepish wrote:Actually I think volcanoes blow.

That reminds me of something from QDB:
<Guo_Si> Hey, you know what sucks?
<TheXPhial> vaccuums
<Guo_Si> Hey, you know what sucks in a metaphorical sense?
<TheXPhial> black holes
<Guo_Si> Hey, you know what just isn't cool?
<TheXPhial> lava?

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Post Wednesday, 4th January 2012, 19:24

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

If a monster, or branch, or portal vault wouldn't claim lives, it'd be pointless.

The point is not that players die in volcanoes. The question is about the ratio.

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Post Wednesday, 4th January 2012, 20:39

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

I don't remember ever dying in a volcano, although occasionally I turn right back around and bail through the exit portal the moment I see what map I got. There's not much a necromancer or venom mage can do against constructs, for instance.

Generally speaking, you want to find a relative safe spot as quickly as possible that you'll be able to retreat to in order to rest. Corridors work on many maps, and anyplace enclosed by doors always works. Make sure the monsters don't open them. Once you've found your safe spot, dash from one safe area to another, baiting monsters back to that spot rather than fighting in the open. You do get a warning before flame clouds start spouting up everywhere, and there's plenty of time between surges to get things done.

Once you've got the pattern of the flame cloud gimmick down, I think you'll find that a volcano is one of the easier portals in that general depth. Certainly, they're much easier than ice caverns, which like to throw ice dragons and frost giants at you. And ice fiends. The loot is reliably decent, too, because there's not as much randomization involved.

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Post Thursday, 5th January 2012, 02:38

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

Whenever someone walks into a volcano and dies I always think "well, you did just walk into a volcano. When is that ever safe?"

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Post Thursday, 5th January 2012, 12:03

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

I've had two volcanos spawn in games I've played, and I have never gone into it. I have gone into every other portal I have ever found except for once a labyrinth on a troll ;)

Just from reading the wiki, the need to levitate and dig to handle a volcano is just not something I ever have on early mid game characters. And I don't like the idea of random flame clouds, even if more experienced players know the system, I don't really want to risk a character learning it. How do you know what a safe area is?

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Post Thursday, 5th January 2012, 12:08

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

You don't need levitate or dig to do any of the volcano maps. I don't know why the wiki says some of the things it does.

Ultimately, you're never going to learn how to go through volcanoes unless you try going through them. When you finally try, you may be surprised or disappointed that you've been scared of something that's generally pretty manageable.

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Post Thursday, 5th January 2012, 12:17

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

are they nice to have? Why are they mentioned? Can the walls close on you in some cases?

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Post Thursday, 5th January 2012, 14:10

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

Some volcano maps have collapsing ceilings that block off passages after a few turns. Some have lava blocking off some or all of the loot (or at least making the path to the loot much more dangerous). Some have both.

Apportation can also take care of some of the cases where you can't dig through the collapsed tiles, if you realize that you need to snatch the loot while there's still a clear path.

The way I see it, though, it's a portal vault. Anything that you manage to get out of it is nice, but being able to get all of the loot in any given portal vault should never be guaranteed. I've had ice caves, baileys, and especially spider nests where my first reaction to seeing the map is "screw this, I'm outta here". It's not like you're paying anything to get in.
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Post Friday, 6th January 2012, 01:13

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

There are 18 volcano maps. Exactly one of them uses the collapsing ceiling function, and exactly one other uses the lava overflow function. Neither of those functions will kill you, and you will always be able to get to the exit. The worst they can do to you is deny some loot… which you deny to yourself anyway if you don't go in.

I've never actually seen the lava overflow map in a game. It's really rare.
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Post Friday, 6th January 2012, 04:42

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

tasonir wrote:I've had two volcanos spawn in games I've played, and I have never gone into it.


In the same game? You just need rF+ sometimes.
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Post Friday, 6th January 2012, 13:47

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

There's even a volcano map with no fire danger in it at all. It's a series of rooms set in a lake of lava with no exit to the lake. I've had that one at least three times.

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Post Friday, 6th January 2012, 13:54

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

Thanks, KoboldLord. I have gotten both the collapsing ceiling and the lava overflow within the last 3 months, so I assumed that they were just examples of a type that can happen in more than one configuration.
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Post Friday, 6th January 2012, 19:52

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

I've died to two volcanoes. The first one I ever saw, where I was unspoiled about the exploding fire. The second death was as a DDNE of Makhelb. There was a spawned Green death so I tried to summon greater servant. Even with 11 invocation I got another hostile green death. Couldn't get away before they killed me with poison arrow. Not really the volcano that did me in here.

Point is, if you know the danger then it's not hard to avoid. When I see a volcano I check my gear. Do I have rF+? Do I have a form of Dig? Do I have a form of Lev? If I have none of that I usually just skip the portal. I could do it if everything goes right, but there is an unnecessary risk of death or I'll use more consumables than I gain making it a net loss.
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Post Friday, 6th January 2012, 20:54

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

plantaspoon wrote:When I see a volcano I check my gear. Do I have rF+? Do I have a form of Dig? Do I have a form of Lev? If I have none of that I usually just skip the portal. I could do it if everything goes right, but there is an unnecessary risk of death or I'll use more consumables than I gain making it a net loss.


You just need rF+ at worst, rF++ is good. Dig isn't necessary, and levitation isn't required (except for that one where you have to move fast or lose it all).
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Post Saturday, 7th January 2012, 00:25

Re: YASD: Why volcanoes suck

minmay wrote:You really don't need rF either. If you drop your scrolls beforehand and can survive three turns in a flame cloud (in the rare event that you start under a flame cloud), there's no risk at all from entering the portal; as with all portals, the entrance is extremely close to the exit.


I'm not sure that's always the case, but then-again, I always explore. And yeah, no scrolls, just like when I bring only 3 healing potions into an ice cave.
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