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Blades Runner

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Post Tuesday, 20th December 2011, 12:07

How to continue with my MiBe (Edit: YAVP 15 runes melee)

I have a lvl 24 MiBe, wearing plate and wielding an nice executioner randart.
Very strong in the offense, and until a large number of strong enemies appears there are usually no real dangers (except overconfidence, of course).

My biggest problem is that i did not find rMut yet, id'd every piece of jewellery i found and burned two aquirements on jewellery, without success yet.

I have quite some three-rune-wins with melees, but not a single full one (they are all with casters), so i would like to try to go extended.
I have left crypt alone until now, to contemplate my course.

Leave Trog? TSO would be the usual endgame melee god. HP-reg would be nice in hells, rN+++ at least a bit helpful, and angel spam can be quite handy for a non-caster i guess. I won't benefit from bless weapon though, and the shield invocation would also be useless.
Zin, on the other hand, would provide me with rMut and quite some other nice goodies. Seems to be difficult to build Piety though.

Any suggestions? I don't have levitation boots, so i'd find a tunnel end or something to survive Trogs wrath i guess?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10-a0-2825-g08b5070 character file.

Schmsh the Axe Maniac (Minotaur Berserker)         Turns: 76416, Time: 07:03:51

HP 242/242       AC 38     Str 32      XL: 24   Next: 55%
MP   8/8         EV 13     Int  7      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 6953        SH  0     Dex  9      Spells:  0 memorised, 23 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .    e - +2,+11 executioner's axe "Xoyger" {holy, r
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : . .  P - +3 dwarf plate armour {rF+}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +    (no shield)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    y - +0 wizard hat {MR}
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : .    r - +2 cloak
Res.Elec. : +       Spirit.Shd : .    B - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Acc+5 Dam+5}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    L - +2 pair of boots {Stlth+}
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    c - amulet of conservation
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    x - ring of Plyploav {Hunger- -CAST rElec rPoi
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    W - +5 ring of evasion

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: horns 2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, barnacled, silver


You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 64 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 2 times.
You have visited 1 Labyrinth.
You have visited 4 portal chambers: ossuary, spiders nest, ice_cave, wizlab.

You have collected 7149 gold pieces.
You have spent 216 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 e - the +2,+11 executioner's axe "Xoyger" (weapon) {holy, rC++}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It has been blessed by the Shining One to cause great damage to the undead
   and demons.
   
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 H - a +1,+4 sling of frost {god gift}
 T - the +3 blowgun "Keuhi" {speed, +Inv rElec rN+ MR Str+1 Dex+1}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Shoals)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon take half as long, but cause slightly less damage.
   
   It affects your strength (+1).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 X - a +1,+4 dwarven anti-magic executioner's axe {god gift}
Missiles
 f - 25 poisoned sling bullets {god gift}
 m - 14 silver +1 sling bullets
 K - 42 exploding +0 sling bullets {god gift}
 Y - 18 +4 sling bullets
Armour
 r - a +2 cloak (worn)
 y - a +0 wizard hat of magic resistance (worn)
 B - the +3 pair of gauntlets of War (worn) {Acc+5 Dam+5}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your accuracy (+5).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+5).
 L - a +2 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
 P - a +3 dwarven plate armour of fire resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of teleportation (7)
 l - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 o - a wand of invisibility (3)
 D - a wand of teleportation (6)
 M - a wand of fire
Comestibles
 i - 9 meat rations
 E - a honeycomb
 O - 8 bread rations
 Q - 9 chokos
 R - 2 royal jellies
Scrolls
 g - 3 scrolls of blinking
 h - a scroll of detect curse
 n - a scroll of recharging
 p - 4 scrolls of fear
 s - 7 scrolls of teleportation
 u - 3 scrolls of fog
 z - 12 scrolls of remove curse
 A - a scroll of enchant armour
 C - a scroll of silence
 J - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 S - 5 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
 c - an amulet of conservation (around neck)
 d - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 k - the ring of Serendipity {Ice Str+3 Dex+3 Acc+5}
   (You found it in a Labyrinth)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your accuracy (+5).
 x - the ring of Plyploav (right hand) {Hunger- -CAST rElec rPois}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of sustenance]
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It prevents spellcasting.
 N - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 W - a +5 ring of evasion (left hand)
 Z - an uncursed ring of teleportation
Potions
 b - 7 potions of heal wounds
 j - 7 potions of restore abilities
 t - 8 potions of curing
 v - a potion of invisibility
 F - 2 potions of resistance
 G - 2 potions of levitation
 I - a potion of might
 U - 3 potions of speed
 V - 3 potions of agility
Magical staves
 w - a +8 rod of demonology (12/12)
   (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 5 of the Elven Halls)


   Skills:
 + Level 25,2 Fighting
 O Level 27 Axes
 + Level 17,7 Slings
 + Level 24,8 Armour
 - Level 3,0 Dodging
 - Level 10,0 Traps & Doors
 - Level 10,4 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 8,0 Evocations


You have 23 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (0/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:11
    Elf (5/5) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:11          Swamp (5/5) Lair:2
 Shoals (5/5) Lair:5        Slime (0/6) Lair:7         Hive (2/2) D:11
  Vault (8/8) D:15          Blade (0/1) Vault:6       Crypt (0/5) Vault:2
    Zot (0/5) D:27       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
The Shining One
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul

Shops:
D:6: [  D:7: (  D:8: (([  D:12: /  D:13: +  D:25: /  Orc:4: ([*+  Elf:1: +  Shoals:3: [  Vault:1: /%%/  Vault:3: [%*  Vault:5: !

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 Lair:8
Abyss: D:21 D:24 D:25 D:26
Pan: D:21 D:22 D:24
Trove: D:18 (give 2 potions of cure mutation)
Ziggurat: D:11 (5110 gp)
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Shoals Surfer

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Post Tuesday, 20th December 2011, 19:58

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

You should probably post this in characters in progress.
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Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Tuesday, 20th December 2011, 20:22

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

Take down Blade for the XP and maybe Slime if you can take down shining eyes with ranged attacks or using berserk.

Otherwise switch to TSO and goto Crypt and do it and cross fingers for rmut.

Worst case, take down some of Zot and avoid flaming balls, and then troll Pan for cure mutation potions.
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Post Tuesday, 20th December 2011, 20:44

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

Any suggestions? I don't have levitation boots, so i'd find a tunnel end or something to survive Trogs wrath i guess?


The easiest way to survive it in my experience (I have done this twice at XL 14-15, one was a mummy, and both survived) is by using a teleportation trap, optimally with a cTele ring. You teleport away to safety, wait a bit until the shouts cease and then return to the trap.
Bring some curing potions (he can rot you) and teleportation means other than the trap, just for the very rare case that you get another group while the other isn't gone yet.

Personally I would go Zin for extended: your weapon is great already, shield invocation will help even less, and you have no rMut, which is pretty important. His other effects (rSickness, hell effect prevention that is almost guaranteed at full piety, rRot, stat protection) are very useful, and Imprison is a great invocation to trap dangerous monsters. Sanctuary is the "lol I survive" button in nearly any situation, barring only paralysis and really, really bad luck, really. Of 4 times I have done extended with Zin all 4 have survived because of this and his general awesomeness in extended. He's a very reliable god. :)
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Post Wednesday, 21st December 2011, 18:27

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

Dat axe! O.o
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Barkeep

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Post Wednesday, 21st December 2011, 19:29

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

One other way to survive Trog's wrath would be to find a deck with a Warpwright or Tomb (both, I think, in Decks of Escape), and draw it at the end of a tunnel. That should create a tele trap right next to you, or make yourself completely walled-in and untouchable.

... unless summons that spawn directly on a teleport trap don't get teleported...?

It's not super likely, but hey: if you have some identify scrolls and decks lying around...
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Blades Runner

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Post Thursday, 22nd December 2011, 10:08

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

Short update:
I converted to TSO, waited the penance out on temple stairs. The 1-2 raging stone giants that came up the stairs with me were not too big of a problem.
I only missed Trog being mollified, and waited quite some other 1000 turns before checking the logfile for it.

I retrieved all hell runes, except for Antaeus the Lords were not that hard after i learned to spam angels instead of wading into the fight directly myself.
Antaeus had a really bad layout in his level, about 10 small islands with deep water between them, not really fun without a permanent source of levitation.
I teleported uncontrolled, and once directly onto his island, two ice statues, two ice fiends, two ice devils and Antaeus himself, barely survived for the next teleport to kick in.
Teleported around until i came to the next island, spammed angels, drank resist, speed and levitation and went over to let the shinies kick him.

Still no rMut, and still no other source for rPoison and rElec than the -CAST ring, which kind of defeats the sense to learn blink and other utility spells.
Got only -10% hp until now.

I think i change to Zin, assault Zot and Slime, and maybe the Abyss, and change to TSO again (if i find rMut, for example in the slime vault) for pan.
How do i build piety with Zin? Pay money? How much? Never played with Zin before.
Also thought about trying a ziggurat, at least to some medium levels, maybe i get some nice loot there without getting torn to pieces, i never played one on a noncaster before though, maybe too risky.
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Post Thursday, 22nd December 2011, 16:53

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

In 0.9, you gain Zin piety over time, by killing chaotic and unclean monsters (this is usually connected with shapeshifting, mutating, rotting, and sickness) and by donating money. In 0.10, the piety over time is replaces by a 1/10 "tithe" of gold you pay every time you pick up a pile of gold. This results in much faster piety gain in 0.10, despite slow piety decay now.
With Zin you can probably safely clear a Ziggurat down to level 10 (I say "safely" as in a very high chance of surviving, not a decent chance), just remember to use Sanctuary to escape if you happen to get a really nasty early level.

Blades Runner

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Post Friday, 23rd December 2011, 21:49

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

Very happy with Zin, saved me from countless mutations, and from one or another bad situation.
Despite conservation i got my mundane equipment totally destroyed in Slime, but found a nice +9 Crystal Plate with Dex+4, Int+3.
The 10 levels of Ziggurat were quite a good estimation, i escaped with few HP from a deep elf level with about 30 blademasters, master archers and demonologists. Without Tornado or another mass destruction spell that was not really doable, but due to cTele i was able to escape.

I have killed two Pan lords (Lom and Gloorx), stole the rune from Cerebov and Mnoleg.
Until torment enters the game i am quite save.

Sitting at 13 runes, looking for an exit from Pan now.
Currently training charms to get Haste castable in my EVP-8 armor :)

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Post Saturday, 24th December 2011, 01:08

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

You need corrosion resistance not conservation for Slime... or a full set of artefact gear

Blades Runner

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Post Saturday, 24th December 2011, 12:39

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

Fully aware of that, but didn't conservation provide rCorr as well? or was that only the cloak? Preservation, oh yes...
Well, i did not care about the stuff anyway...

I was unpleasently surprised when i distorted myself into the Abyss, found the rune and a gateway out, and landed right in Pandemonium again.

I am sitting at 14 runes now, and with controlled blink i escaped all hairy situations in Pan. Never landed on Hellion Island :)
I have haste, deflect missiles and controlled blink all castable in my crystal plate.

I think for Tomb i'll best switch back to TSO. I have finally found a rMut amulet in one of the last pan levels.
Still, Zin was fantastic in Pan and Abyss, with the 90% protection the amulet gives me i'd still be a globbering slime i guess.
I have shouteritis 1, and Int +1, i guess i'll ask Zin to remove both for me before i go back to TSO.
Plenty of restore ability potions, and vitalisation only heightened my stats instead of removing attribute loss, i hope i'll be fine with it.

Onwards to the horrors of Tomb, then.
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Blades Runner

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Post Saturday, 24th December 2011, 16:30

Re: How to continue with my MiBe

Tomb was astoundingly easy, i guess with Dmg+14 on my +11 Executioner Axe most opponents had little time to reflect on their evil.
With Traps&Doors 14 i found all the Zot traps, and otherwise the key was to go veeery slowly, retreat and heal, and have plenty of curing potions.

8671139 Schmsh the Axe Maniac (level 27, 277/277 HPs)
Began as a Minotaur Berserker on Dec 18, 2011.
Was the Champion of The Shining One.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 15 runes on Dec 24, 2011!

The game lasted 13:18:35 (197817 turns).

Now onwards to more worldly presents :geek:
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