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Ziggurat Zagger

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Joined: Friday, 25th November 2011, 07:36

Post Friday, 9th December 2011, 11:15

YASD: DDBe died at level 20, a personal best :)

Doing pretty well on my DDBe, level 16, cleared out the dungeon to around 16, lair to 7, all of orcish mines, hive (playing 9.1), and going through the vaults now (up to level 3). Since I'm deep dwarf, I use trog's hand quite often for the healing, but this is causing problems. I have high enough piety for ammunition gifts, but not enough for weapon gifts from Trog. I can't get my piety over 130 again because the ammo gifts prevent piety gain...is there any way to deal with this? Do you have to kill faster than he can regift you, or save up several spellbooks to burn at once? Or should I just be abandoning Trog? I'd love to try Makhleb at some point. I got about 4 weapon gifts before getting stuck getting ammo, and none of them were axes...fortunately the dungeon itself generated a battleaxe of electrocution which I've enchanted up. It's not too likely trog's going to give me better unless there's some way to get back to 130+ piety fast.

Next, the usual question about what skills to train up. Axe is up to 19, should need about 3 more levels for battleaxes, but I'll probably just take it to 27 eventually, I might find an executioner axe, and berserkers don't really have too many skills to train. Is it worth getting some dodging now that my armor skill is pretty high? DD's have +1 for both, so that is good. Does higher stealth skill ever overcome wearing heavy armor or is that pointless? I have evocation at 10 to help with evoking teleport since I have a ring of teleport/teleport control for emergencies...hopefully I'll find some useful haste or teleport wands one of these days!

Also, is there any good way to gamble with mutations that I should be doing? I have 3 mutation potions and 2 cure mutation potions. The cure mutation potions remove good and bad, or only bad mutations?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.9.1 character file.

Tasonir the Severer (Deep Dwarf Berserker)                                                                 Turns: 37407, Time: 05:52:36

HP 142/150       AC 31     Str 30      XL: 16   Next: 49%
MP   9/9         EV  7     Int 10      God: Trog [***...]
Gold 1526        SH  0     Dex 11      Spells:  0 memorised, 17 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : .    a - +5 orc battleaxe (elec)
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : + .  y - +3 orc plate mail {rF+}
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .    (no shield)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    t - +2 cap
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : .    D - +1 cloak
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    L - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Acc+3 Dam+3}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    P - +1 pair of boots of the Armoured One {Dex-
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    p - amulet of warding
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    l - ring "Greja" {rF+ Str+2 Int+2}
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    r - ring of sustenance

@: non-regenerating, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: damage resistance, life protection 1, sense surroundings 2, slow healing 3, Str +1, Dex +1
a: Device Recharging, Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Hive.
You worship Trog.
Trog is greatly pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 34 of its levels.

You have collected 3095 gold pieces.
You have spent 1589 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +5,+5 orcish battleaxe of electrocution (weapon)
 b - a +0,+4 sling of flame {god gift}
 i - an uncursed scimitar of flaming
 m - a +3,+2 sling of frost {god gift}
 S - an uncursed crossbow
Missiles
 n - 16 steel +4 sling bullets {god gift}
 s - 28 +1 sling bullets of flame {god gift}
 v - 15 darts of dispersal (quivered) {god gift}
 Y - 15 silver bolts
Armour
 t - a +2 cap (worn)
 y - a +3 orcish plate mail of fire resistance (worn)
 D - a +1 cloak (worn)
 L - the +3 pair of gauntlets of War (worn) {Acc+3 Dam+3}
   (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   
   It affects your accuracy (+3).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
 P - the cursed +1 pair of boots of the Armoured One (worn) {Dex-2 Int-1}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   
   It affects your intelligence (-1).
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Magical devices
 c - a wand of healing (2)
 e - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 2}
 R - a wand of confusion {zapped: 3}
Comestibles
 k - 9 royal jellies
 u - 14 bread rations
 O - 45 honeycombs
Scrolls
 C - a scroll of identify
 F - a scroll of teleportation
 K - a scroll of remove curse
 T - a scroll of holy word
Jewellery
 d - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 l - the ring "Greja" (right hand) {rF+ Str+2 Int+2}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
 p - an amulet of warding (around neck)
 q - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 r - a ring of sustenance (left hand)
 E - a +5 ring of protection
 J - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 M - an uncursed ring of life protection
 N - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 W - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 X - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
Potions
 G - 15 potions of healing
 H - 2 potions of levitation
 I - 4 potions of invisibility
 V - 2 potions of speed
 Z - 3 potions of heal wounds


   Skills:
 + Level 12 Fighting
 - Level 1 Long Blades
 + Level 19 Axes
 - Level 8 Slings
 - Level 2 Crossbows
 - Level 1 Throwing
 + Level 14 Armour
 + Level 9 Dodging
 - Level 1 Stealth
 - Level 1 Stabbing
 - Level 12 Traps & Doors
 - Level 6 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 1 Spellcasting
 + Level 10 Evocations


You have 17 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (17/27)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:7
    Elf (0/5) Orc:4          Lair (7/8) D:11         Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
  Snake (0/5) Lair:4         Hive (2/2) D:15          Vault (3/8) D:14
 Slime: Lair:6-8     Crypt: Vault:2-4   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh

Shops:
D:6: /(  D:8: %  D:9: ??  D:11: *  D:13: +  Orc:1: =  Orc:4: %?%%!  Vault:1: (

Annotations
D:11 western shop has enchant armor/weapon still
Orc:4 enchant scrolls and teleport scrolls
Vault:3 exclusion: Roxanne


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to damage.
You can recharge devices by infusing magical energy.
You resist negative energy.
You passively map the area around you.
You do not heal naturally.
You are agile (Dex +1).
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).


Message History

You see here a scroll of enchant armour.
Things that are here:
a scroll of enchant weapon III; 6 scrolls of enchant weapon II; 3 scrolls of enchant weapon I
o - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon I
f - 6 scrolls of enchant weapon II
g - a scroll of enchant weapon III
As you read the scroll of enchant weapon III, it crumbles to dust.
Your +3,+3 orcish battleaxe of electrocution glows bright yellow for a while.
As you read the scroll of enchant weapon I, it crumbles to dust.
Your +4,+4 orcish battleaxe of electrocution glows green for a moment.
As you read the scroll of enchant weapon II, it crumbles to dust.
Your +5,+4 orcish battleaxe of electrocution glows red for a moment.
You drop 5 scrolls of enchant weapon II.
You drop 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Items here: ////////
You drop a wand of frost.
Use which ability? (? or * to list)
Okay, then.
Done exploring.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Tasonir, the Deep Dwarf Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 21/21 MP: 0/0
   301 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
   325 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 17/28 MP: 1/1
   787 | D:2      | Acquired Trog's second power
  1125 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 11/36 MP: 2/2
  1656 | D:3      | HP: 1/36 [gnoll/flail (8)]
  1677 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 11/43 MP: 3/3
  1679 | D:3      | HP: 6/64 [gnoll/spear of reaching (5)]
  1689 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  2514 | D:4      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  2533 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 22/49 MP: 4/4
  2621 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
  2829 | D:4      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2876 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Axes
  2913 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  2945 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Axes
  2945 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/57 MP: 5/5
  2972 | D:4      | Acquired Trog's third power
  3086 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3854 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Axes
  3854 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/63 MP: 5/5
  3996 | D:6      | Found Oseimnoofe's Magical Wand Boutique.
  4111 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  4145 | D:6      | Found Etuaw's Weapon Boutique.
  4176 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Axes
  4477 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4484 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4757 | D:7      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 37/72 MP: 6/6
  4910 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  5028 | D:7      | HP: 8/72 [centaur (4)]
  5191 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  5199 | D:8      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  5366 | D:8      | Found Fron's Food Emporium.
  5489 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Axes
  6005 | D:9      | Found Doteh's Magic Scroll Boutique.
  6010 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  6010 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of noise for 15 gold pieces
  6010 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of curse armour for 30 gold pieces
  6044 | D:9      | Gained mutation: You passively map the area around you.
  6044 | D:9      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 55/78 MP: 7/7
  6498 | D:9      | Noticed Duvessa
  6499 | D:9      | Noticed Dowan
  6505 | D:9      | Defeated Duvessa
  6510 | D:9      | Defeated Dowan
  6563 | D:9      | Found Ziomepex's Magic Scroll Shop.
  6582 | D:9      | Reached skill level 12 in Axes
  6582 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Slings
  6623 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 82 gold pieces
  6623 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  6623 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of curse weapon for 30 gold pieces
  6624 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of blinking for 82 gold pieces
  6625 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 52 gold pieces
  6625 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of detect curse for 30 gold pieces
  7411 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  7571 | D:10     | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
  7571 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
  7642 | D:10     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 85/85 MP: 9/9
  7876 | D:10     | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
  8105 | D:10     | Got a shimmering chain mail
  8124 | D:10     | Identified the +1 chain mail "Akalarr" (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
  8156 | D:10     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  8326 | D:11     | Found Waonaoh's Assorted Antiques.
  8534 | D:11     | HP: 8/85 [yak (7)]
  8555 | D:11     | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing
  8563 | D:11     | HP: 8/85 [yak (9)]
  8611 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8612 | D:11     | Noticed an agate snail
  8704 | D:11     | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
  8727 | D:11     | HP: 7/85 [crocodile (12)]
  8813 | D:11     | Defeated an agate snail
  8903 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  9299 | Lair:1   | HP: 6/85 [crocodile (10)]
  9480 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
 10097 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 30/92 MP: 7/7
 10429 | Lair:2   | HP: 13/92 [green rat (2)]
 10436 | Lair:2   | HP: 8/92 [green rat (3)]
 10655 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 11024 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Traps & Doors
 11277 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 11422 | Lair:3   | HP: 9/93 [black mamba (8)]
 11424 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat
 12328 | Lair:1   | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
 12899 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 13089 | Lair:4   | HP: 11/94 [blink frog (9)]
 13370 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 13930 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 14090 | Lair:5   | HP: 14/97 [bolt trap (8)]
 14108 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 32/105 MP: 7/7
 14241 | Lair:5   | Noticed a yellow wasp
 14253 | Lair:5   | Defeated a yellow wasp
 14984 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 17 in Axes
 15045 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 16169 | Lair:6   | HP: 13/106 [electric eel/bolt of electricity (8)]
 16982 | Lair:7   | Got a wavering ivory ring
 17199 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Trog
 17199 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Slings
 17202 | Lair:7   | Got a transparent scythe {god gift}
 17453 | Lair:7   | Identified the ring "Greja" {Str+2 Int+2} (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 17790 | Lair:1   | Identified the scythe "Edghowko" {god gift, slay orc, Int+4} (Trog gifted it to you on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18375 | D:11     | Noticed a queen bee
 18394 | D:11     | Defeated a queen bee
 18394 | D:11     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 88/116 MP: 8/8
 18400 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 19012 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 19610 | D:12     | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
 19610 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 19773 | D:12     | Noticed Harold
 19786 | D:12     | Defeated Harold
 19836 | D:12     | Noticed Tasonir's ghost (powerful DDBe)
 20050 | D:12     | Defeated Tasonir's ghost
 20050 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Traps & Doors
 20791 | D:13     | Found Clugoet's Book Shoppe.
 21319 | D:13     | Reached skill level 18 in Axes
 21424 | D:13     | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity
 21445 | D:13     | Defeated a tentacled monstrosity
 22104 | D:14     | Noticed Sonja
 22120 | D:14     | Noticed Maud
 22148 | D:14     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 22312 | D:14     | Noticed Nergalle
 22343 | D:14     | Defeated Sonja
 22485 | D:14     | Reached skill level 1 in Crossbows
 22588 | D:14     | Defeated Nergalle
 22865 | D:14     | Noticed a boring beetle
 22872 | D:14     | Defeated a boring beetle
 22954 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 23078 | D:15     | Gained mutation: You resist negative energy.
 23078 | D:15     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 62/126 MP: 8/8
 23131 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Hive.
 23207 | Hive:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Hive
 23371 | Hive:2   | Entered Level 2 of the Hive
 23611 | Hive:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
 23822 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 24237 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 24817 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 25486 | Hive:1   | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1).
 25608 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 26453 | D:6      | Bought a wand of fire (3) for 168 gold pieces
 26453 | D:6      | Bought a wand of fire (6) for 240 gold pieces
 26677 | Lair:1   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 26697 | Lair:1   | Got a pair of thick gauntlets
 26701 | Lair:1   | Identified the +3 pair of gauntlets of War (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 27714 | D:15     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 27721 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 28827 | D:16     | Received a gift from Trog
 28852 | D:16     | HP: 5/128 [blade trap (36)]
 29146 | D:16     | Received a gift from Trog
 29444 | D:17     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 29554 | D:17     | Noticed Saint Roka
 29560 | D:17     | Reached skill level 19 in Axes
 29572 | D:17     | HP: 17/128 [Saint Roka/divine providence (8)]
 29575 | D:17     | HP: 8/128 [reaper/glowing scythe[Saint Roka] (14)]
 29863 | D:17     | Defeated Saint Roka
 29863 | D:17     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 53/138 MP: 8/8
 30630 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 30951 | Orc:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 31039 | Orc:2    | Noticed Blork the orc
 31045 | Orc:2    | Defeated Blork the orc
 31446 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 31458 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 31483 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 31672 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 31680 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 31687 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 31816 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 31826 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 31862 | Orc:4    | Noticed Erolcha
 31875 | Orc:4    | Defeated Erolcha
 32172 | Orc:4    | Found Nifuvvif's Food Emporium.
 32290 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32291 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32292 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32292 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32300 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32311 | Orc:4    | HP: 17/138 [orc priest/divine providence (12)]
 32328 | Orc:4    | HP: 19/138 [orc priest/divine providence (12)]
 32343 | Orc:4    | HP: 14/138 [orc high priest/divine providence (11)]
 32642 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32656 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32671 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32681 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32681 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 32760 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32776 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32818 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32824 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32860 | Orc:4    | Found Keaffuim's Magic Scroll Shop.
 32860 | Orc:4    | Found Jenoj's Food Shoppe.
 32878 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 32878 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32884 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 33006 | Orc:4    | Found Weneog's Food Shop.
 33006 | Orc:4    | Found Ghaofatywn's Distillery.
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of identify for 34 gold pieces
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of identify for 34 gold pieces
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 51 gold pieces
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 51 gold pieces
 33418 | Orc:2    | Noticed Maurice
 33427 | Orc:2    | Defeated Maurice
 33559 | Orc:1    | Found Ynaul's Jewellery Boutique.
 33567 | Orc:1    | Bought an uncursed ring of life protection for 280 gold pieces
 33567 | Orc:1    | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from magic for 350 gold pieces
 33858 | Orc:3    | Noticed Eustachio
 33866 | Orc:3    | Defeated Eustachio
 34174 | Vault:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 34822 | Vault:1  | Received a gift from Trog
 34937 | Vault:1  | Found Erin's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 35225 | Vault:2  | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades
 35321 | Vault:2  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 39/147 MP: 9/9
 35420 | Vault:2  | Noticed Erica
 35435 | Vault:2  | Defeated Erica
 35504 | Vault:2  | Received a gift from Trog
 35790 | Vault:2  | Received a gift from Trog
 36097 | Vault:2  | Got a pair of distressingly furry boots
 36100 | Vault:2  | Identified the cursed +1 pair of boots of the Armoured One (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)
 36234 | Vault:2  | Noticed Agnes
 36254 | Vault:2  | Defeated Agnes
 36521 | Vault:3  | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 36569 | Vault:3  | Noticed Roxanne
 36844 | Vault:3  | Noticed Frances
 36854 | Vault:3  | Defeated Frances




Edit: Just to do some theorycrafting, how effective is my 31 AC combined with DD damage resistance? Is that enough for the end game? I have a +5 ac ring I can use, but I've generally been switching the second ring slot around for whatever resistance ring I want at the time. Think I could survive a runin with The Lernaean hydra using my flaming weapon?
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Post Friday, 9th December 2011, 13:47

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

tasonir wrote:Doing pretty well on my DDBe, level 16, cleared out the dungeon to around 16, lair to 7, all of orcish mines, hive (playing 9.1), and going through the vaults now (up to level 3). Since I'm deep dwarf, I use trog's hand quite often for the healing, but this is causing problems. I have high enough piety for ammunition gifts, but not enough for weapon gifts from Trog. I can't get my piety over 130 again because the ammo gifts prevent piety gain...is there any way to deal with this? Do you have to kill faster than he can regift you, or save up several spellbooks to burn at once?

Just keep on killing, and don't forget to sacrifice the corpses that you don't eat. Even with liberal use of Trog's Hand, your net piety should be increasing for decent chunks of this phase of the game.

tasonir wrote:Or should I just be abandoning Trog? I'd love to try Makhleb at some point. I got about 4 weapon gifts before getting stuck getting ammo, and none of them were axes...fortunately the dungeon itself generated a battleaxe of electrocution which I've enchanted up. It's not too likely trog's going to give me better unless there's some way to get back to 130+ piety fast.

You're not in a good position to be abandoning Trog right now. Ask someone who has done it successfully how to go about it.

tasonir wrote:Next, the usual question about what skills to train up. Axe is up to 19, should need about 3 more levels for battleaxes, but I'll probably just take it to 27 eventually, I might find an executioner axe, and berserkers don't really have too many skills to train. Is it worth getting some dodging now that my armor skill is pretty high? DD's have +1 for both, so that is good. Does higher stealth skill ever overcome wearing heavy armor or is that pointless? I have evocation at 10 to help with evoking teleport since I have a ring of teleport/teleport control for emergencies...hopefully I'll find some useful haste or teleport wands one of these days!

Yes to Dodging. Everything that keeps you from getting damaged helps.

If you have experience to spend, you may as well train up Stealth too. You'll never be a sneaky-stabby type, but it does help if you have to lose pursuit.

Evocations will help with offensive wands a bit, and those will serve you well.

tasonir wrote:Also, is there any good way to gamble with mutations that I should be doing? I have 3 mutation potions and 2 cure mutation potions. The cure mutation potions remove good and bad, or only bad mutations?

Not worth the gamble. Cure mutation randomly removes something like 5 mutations, be they good or bad. Save them for when you pick up some bad ones from a neqoxec or the like.

tasonir wrote:Edit: Just to do some theorycrafting, how effective is my 31 AC combined with DD damage resistance? Is that enough for the end game? I have a +5 ac ring I can use, but I've generally been switching the second ring slot around for whatever resistance ring I want at the time. Think I could survive a runin with The Lernaean hydra using my flaming weapon?

You won't be running into the Lernaean Hydra this game, since it only appears in one specific Swamp rune vault, and you don't have Swamp. If you can get your resistances up, you're fine for a 3-runer.
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Post Friday, 9th December 2011, 19:43

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

Stormfox wrote:Just keep on killing, and don't forget to sacrifice the corpses that you don't eat. Even with liberal use of Trog's Hand, your net piety should be increasing for decent chunks of this phase of the game.


The problem is trog is very reliably gifting me ammo, which then takes my next 31-49 points of piety and redirects them into the gift timeout, assuming I'm understanding this correctly. I'm not positive but it certainly seems like using trog's hand several times while your piety gains goes towards gifting means that when I get out of the gift timeout, my piety is low enough that it just rebuilds to the gift level and I get further ammo, making the cycle rather hard to break. I could try intentionally avoiding trog's hand for an extended time and burning my permanent mana for healing, until it actually builds...

Stormfox wrote:
tasonir wrote:Edit: Just to do some theorycrafting, how effective is my 31 AC combined with DD damage resistance? Is that enough for the end game? I have a +5 ac ring I can use, but I've generally been switching the second ring slot around for whatever resistance ring I want at the time. Think I could survive a runin with The Lernaean hydra using my flaming weapon?

You won't be running into the Lernaean Hydra this game, since it only appears in one specific Swamp rune vault, and you don't have Swamp. If you can get your resistances up, you're fine for a 3-runer.


I realize I can't run into it, but I like considering what-if situations. Also the wiki sadly hasn't been updated with accurate information about armor formulas, and I think damage/ev formulas might be off too. If I can manage to get un-lazy I might even try reading the code, but I haven't gone that far yet. Basically I'm wondering about what my guaranteed damage reduction is between a base plate armor, final ac of 31+, and DD damage resistance. Using the formula on the armor wiki page I got a GDR of only 2.something, but it says that a lot of the armor nerf has been reverted. Obviously 31 has a *chance* to negate the 18 damage entirely, I just can't really estimate how reliable it would be, and 27 attacks per round would be one hell of a stress test :)

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Post Friday, 9th December 2011, 20:06

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

I'm wondering if there might be something else going wrong...returning to my game today after I kill certain mobs I'm getting a "You feel guilty." message. I just attacked with my battleaxe of electrocution, I haven't cast anything, so I'm not sure what's going on. First a giant amoeba, then a retreating large slime, and then a basilisk. Quoting my log:

You kill the basilisk!
Trog accepts your kill.
You feel a little guilty.

Edit: Solved problem. I noticed this after posting my log last night too, I just forgot before I started playing again today: I accidentally turned on training my spellcasting skill. However this was only done last night while I was making the post, so it's not why I'm stuck at ammo gifts. Just why I felt guilty clearing vaults 3 today.
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Post Friday, 9th December 2011, 20:32

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

tasonir wrote:Axe is up to 19, should need about 3 more levels for battleaxes, but I'll probably just take it to 27 eventually, I might find an executioner axe


Then again, you might not. My feeling is that training for stuff you don't have isn't usually a good use of experience. You can always train axes later; training something else might keep you alive until you find your über-axe.

Also: I thought that Trog won't give ammo gifts if you don't have a launcher and your throwing is low....? Though, having the ranged attacks is perhaps better than more weapon gifts.

Agreed on the 'no mutation roulette' -- deterioration 1 is mildly annoying on most characters, but a big problem for DD's, as your stats don't naturally regenerate.
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Post Friday, 9th December 2011, 21:02

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

alright, I'll cut off axes at 22....I do have slings at 8, crossbows at 2, and throwing at 1. I will try dropping all of my launchers for a while and see if that will stop it. Throwing isn't at 8, but I have recieved darts...I even got a bow back when I was still getting weapons, but thankfully he won't gift arrows :)

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Post Friday, 9th December 2011, 21:49

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

Dropping all launchers has succeeded in cutting off ammo gifts...I feel a lot better back at 5 star piety :)

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Post Saturday, 10th December 2011, 00:09

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

Training dodging or stealth right now is an awful idea. Train axes, fighting, and armour. This is not a complicated build.

From a quick look at your dump, this is what I think your biggest problem is: you are using trog's hand almost every time you want to heal. You may have noticed that its duration is actually based on your piety and that it costs piety per activation. This means that it is almost never good to use it for healing if you have some other source (in this case, you have a DD with 9 mp and 18 healing potions in its inventory).
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Post Saturday, 10th December 2011, 03:28

Re: CIP: DDBe level 16, some Trog problems, need tips

This means that it is almost never good to use it for healing if you have some other source (in this case, you have a DD with 9 mp and 18 healing potions in its inventory).


But is the only renewable source; once those MP are gone I'll never get them back. It'll reduce the amount of god gifts I get, but you really can't go much over 130 piety with trog in any case. I have good enough weapons, aside from getting something really crazy like a speed or vamp brand, I'm pretty much set. Or I was, until I died in the hall of blades :) It was an easily preventable death, I just overestimated my ability to take down 4-5 weapons quickly and berserked...once I got slowed I had trouble healing faster than I was taking damage. Even blinked away once to get some room but being slowed they caught up rather fast. I should have teleported all the way back to the upstairs, I even had cTele on. I tried to use invisibility instead; the weapons didn't list "see invisible" when I read their descriptions, but that didn't work...do they see invis, or do all mobs swing at your last known location?

One significant change I'm going to make for the next run is I will not use ranged weapons at all. They are useful and I really like being able to fire them but I am really annoyed by getting them repeatedly as god gifts, and I get fewer gifts since I am using trog's hand for repeated healing. Where can I get a crystal plate mail reliably, or are they too rare to be expected? Gold dragon armor would be great too, but hey ;)

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.9.1 character file.

233021 Tasonir the Executioner (level 20, -7/180 (183) HPs)
             Began as a Deep Dwarf Berserker on Dec 8, 2011.
             Was a Priest of Trog.
             Mangled by a great mace of holy wrath (14 damage)
             ... in the Hall of Blades on Dec 9, 2011.
             The game lasted 10:23:05 (61875 turns).

Tasonir the Executioner (Deep Dwarf Berserker)                                                             Turns: 61875, Time: 10:23:05

HP  -7/180 (183) AC 35     Str 33      XL: 20   Next: 19%
MP   6/6         EV  9     Int 12      God: Trog [***...]
Gold 363         SH  0     Dex 13      Spells:  0 memorised, 21 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + +   See Invis. : .    a - +5 orc battleaxe (elec)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : + .  y - +3 orc plate mail {rF+}
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .    (no shield)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    t - +2 cap
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : .    O - +2 elf cloak {rC+ rF+}
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    L - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Acc+3 Dam+3}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    I - +0 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: +    p - amulet of warding
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    J - ring of teleport control
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    l - ring "Greja" {rF+ Str+2 Int+2}

@: non-regenerating, invisible, exhausted, very poisoned, slowed, very slow, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: damage resistance, life protection 1, sense surroundings 3, slow healing 3, Str +2, Int +1, Dex +1
a: Device Recharging, Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Renounce Religion


You were in the Hall of Blades.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was greatly pleased with you.
You were not hungry.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 52 of its levels.
You visited 1 portal chamber: ice cave.

You collected 4478 gold pieces.
You spent 4135 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +5,+5 orcish battleaxe of electrocution (weapon)
 j - a +0,+3 anti-magic executioner's axe {god gift}
 m - the +11,+4 quarterstaff of Light {slay orc, Hunger Str+3 Int+4}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Crypt)   
   
   It is especially effective against all of orcish descent.
   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It speeds your metabolism.
 B - a +0,+0 battleaxe of flaming
 C - a cursed +1,+1 battleaxe of freezing
 H - the -4,-4 spear of the Lamprey (quivered) {venom, +Rage}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Crypt)   
   
   It poisons the flesh of those it strikes.
   
   
   It lets you go berserk.
Armour
 t - a +2 cap (worn)
 y - a +3 orcish plate mail of fire resistance (worn)
 F - a +2 dwarven plate mail
 I - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 L - the +3 pair of gauntlets of War (worn) {Acc+3 Dam+3}
   (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   
   It affects your accuracy (+3).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
 O - a +2 elven cloak of resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 c - a wand of healing (0)
 e - a wand of disintegration (3)
 h - a wand of enslavement (3)
 i - a wand of polymorph other (9)
 r - a wand of enslavement (7)
 s - a wand of disintegration (6)
 Q - a wand of confusion (3)
 S - a wand of teleportation (9)
 U - a wand of disintegration (8)
 W - a wand of paralysis (5) {unknown}
Comestibles
 f - 12 honeycombs
 k - 8 royal jellies
 u - 10 bread rations
 P - a choko
Scrolls
 b - a scroll of detect curse
 g - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 o - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 v - a scroll of magic mapping
 w - a scroll of fog
 z - a scroll of holy word
 D - 2 scrolls of identify
 G - 2 scrolls of remove curse
Jewellery
 d - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 l - the ring "Greja" (left hand) {rF+ Str+2 Int+2}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
 p - an amulet of warding (around neck)
 q - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 x - the cursed ring of Xom's Envy {-CAST rElec MR}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It prevents spellcasting.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 E - a +5 ring of protection
 J - a ring of teleport control (right hand)
 K - the ring of Relativism {Ice Dam+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Crypt)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
 M - an uncursed ring of life protection
 N - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 X - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
Potions
 T - 2 potions of might
 V - a potion of restore abilities
 Y - 2 potions of speed


   Skills:
 - Level 12 Fighting
 - Level 1 Long Blades
 - Level 22 Axes
 - Level 8 Slings
 - Level 2 Crossbows
 - Level 1 Throwing
 + Level 21 Armour
 - Level 9 Dodging
 - Level 1 Stealth
 - Level 1 Stabbing
 - Level 12 Traps & Doors
 - Level 6 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 1 Spellcasting
 - Level 12 Evocations


You had 21 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (17/27)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:7
    Elf (5/5) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:11         Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
  Slime (0/6) Lair:8        Snake (4/5) Lair:4         Hive (2/2) D:15
  Vault (6/8) D:14          Blade (1/1) Vault:6       Crypt (4/5) Vault:4
   Tomb (0/3) Crypt:2     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh

Shops:
D:6: /(  D:8: %  D:9: ??  D:11: *  D:13: +  Orc:1: =  Orc:4: %?%%!  Elf:1: **=%(  Elf:4: *  Snake:1: (  Vault:1: (  Vault:5: /

Annotations
D:11 western shop has enchant armor/weapon still
Orc:4 enchant scrolls and teleport scrolls
Vault:3 exclusion: Roxanne
Vault:5 wand of digging/healing avilable in shop
Crypt:2 exclusion: curse skull


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to damage.
You can recharge devices by infusing magical energy.
You resist negative energy.
You passively map a large area around you.
You do not heal naturally.
You are agile (Dex +1).
Your mind is acute (Int +1).
Your muscles are strong (Str +2).


Message History

The glowing great mace hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You slash the hand axe of venom!
The hand axe of venom is almost destroyed.
The hand axe of venom hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You are more poisoned.
The glowing great mace hits you but does no damage.
You barely miss the hand axe of venom.
You feel a little better.
The hand axe of venom hits you but does no damage.
The glowing great mace hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You fade into invisibility!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel very sick.
The hand axe of venom hits you but does no damage.
The hand axe of venom barely misses you.
The glowing great mace hits you!
You die...

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You could see 2 dancing weapons.

Grand Total: 2414 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Tasonir, the Deep Dwarf Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 21/21 MP: 0/0
   301 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
   325 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 17/28 MP: 1/1
   787 | D:2      | Acquired Trog's second power
  1125 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 11/36 MP: 2/2
  1656 | D:3      | HP: 1/36 [gnoll/flail (8)]
  1677 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 11/43 MP: 3/3
  1679 | D:3      | HP: 6/64 [gnoll/spear of reaching (5)]
  1689 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  2514 | D:4      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  2533 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 22/49 MP: 4/4
  2621 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
  2829 | D:4      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2876 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Axes
  2913 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  2945 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Axes
  2945 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/57 MP: 5/5
  2972 | D:4      | Acquired Trog's third power
  3086 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3854 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Axes
  3854 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/63 MP: 5/5
  3996 | D:6      | Found Oseimnoofe's Magical Wand Boutique.
  4111 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  4145 | D:6      | Found Etuaw's Weapon Boutique.
  4176 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Axes
  4477 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4484 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4757 | D:7      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 37/72 MP: 6/6
  4910 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  5028 | D:7      | HP: 8/72 [centaur (4)]
  5191 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  5199 | D:8      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  5366 | D:8      | Found Fron's Food Emporium.
  5489 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Axes
  6005 | D:9      | Found Doteh's Magic Scroll Boutique.
  6010 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  6010 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of noise for 15 gold pieces
  6010 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of curse armour for 30 gold pieces
  6044 | D:9      | Gained mutation: You passively map the area around you.
  6044 | D:9      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 55/78 MP: 7/7
  6498 | D:9      | Noticed Duvessa
  6499 | D:9      | Noticed Dowan
  6505 | D:9      | Defeated Duvessa
  6510 | D:9      | Defeated Dowan
  6563 | D:9      | Found Ziomepex's Magic Scroll Shop.
  6582 | D:9      | Reached skill level 12 in Axes
  6582 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Slings
  6623 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 82 gold pieces
  6623 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  6623 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of curse weapon for 30 gold pieces
  6624 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of blinking for 82 gold pieces
  6625 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 52 gold pieces
  6625 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of detect curse for 30 gold pieces
  7411 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  7571 | D:10     | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
  7571 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
  7642 | D:10     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 85/85 MP: 9/9
  7876 | D:10     | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
  8105 | D:10     | Got a shimmering chain mail
  8124 | D:10     | Identified the +1 chain mail "Akalarr" (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
  8156 | D:10     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  8326 | D:11     | Found Waonaoh's Assorted Antiques.
  8534 | D:11     | HP: 8/85 [yak (7)]
  8555 | D:11     | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing
  8563 | D:11     | HP: 8/85 [yak (9)]
  8611 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8612 | D:11     | Noticed an agate snail
  8704 | D:11     | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
  8727 | D:11     | HP: 7/85 [crocodile (12)]
  8813 | D:11     | Defeated an agate snail
  8903 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  9299 | Lair:1   | HP: 6/85 [crocodile (10)]
  9480 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
 10097 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 30/92 MP: 7/7
 10429 | Lair:2   | HP: 13/92 [green rat (2)]
 10436 | Lair:2   | HP: 8/92 [green rat (3)]
 10655 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 11024 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Traps & Doors
 11277 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 11422 | Lair:3   | HP: 9/93 [black mamba (8)]
 11424 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat
 12328 | Lair:1   | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
 12899 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 13089 | Lair:4   | HP: 11/94 [blink frog (9)]
 13370 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 13930 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 14090 | Lair:5   | HP: 14/97 [bolt trap (8)]
 14108 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 32/105 MP: 7/7
 14241 | Lair:5   | Noticed a yellow wasp
 14253 | Lair:5   | Defeated a yellow wasp
 14984 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 17 in Axes
 15045 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 16169 | Lair:6   | HP: 13/106 [electric eel/bolt of electricity (8)]
 16982 | Lair:7   | Got a wavering ivory ring
 17199 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Trog
 17199 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Slings
 17202 | Lair:7   | Got a transparent scythe {god gift}
 17453 | Lair:7   | Identified the ring "Greja" {Str+2 Int+2} (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 17790 | Lair:1   | Identified the scythe "Edghowko" {god gift, slay orc, Int+4} (Trog gifted it to you on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18375 | D:11     | Noticed a queen bee
 18394 | D:11     | Defeated a queen bee
 18394 | D:11     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 88/116 MP: 8/8
 18400 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 19012 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 19610 | D:12     | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
 19610 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 19773 | D:12     | Noticed Harold
 19786 | D:12     | Defeated Harold
 19836 | D:12     | Noticed Tasonir's ghost (powerful DDBe)
 20050 | D:12     | Defeated Tasonir's ghost
 20050 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Traps & Doors
 20791 | D:13     | Found Clugoet's Book Shoppe.
 21319 | D:13     | Reached skill level 18 in Axes
 21424 | D:13     | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity
 21445 | D:13     | Defeated a tentacled monstrosity
 22104 | D:14     | Noticed Sonja
 22120 | D:14     | Noticed Maud
 22148 | D:14     | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 22312 | D:14     | Noticed Nergalle
 22343 | D:14     | Defeated Sonja
 22485 | D:14     | Reached skill level 1 in Crossbows
 22588 | D:14     | Defeated Nergalle
 22865 | D:14     | Noticed a boring beetle
 22872 | D:14     | Defeated a boring beetle
 22954 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 23078 | D:15     | Gained mutation: You resist negative energy.
 23078 | D:15     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 62/126 MP: 8/8
 23131 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Hive.
 23207 | Hive:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Hive
 23371 | Hive:2   | Entered Level 2 of the Hive
 23611 | Hive:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
 23822 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 24237 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 24817 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 25486 | Hive:1   | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1).
 25608 | Hive:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 26453 | D:6      | Bought a wand of fire (3) for 168 gold pieces
 26453 | D:6      | Bought a wand of fire (6) for 240 gold pieces
 26677 | Lair:1   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 26697 | Lair:1   | Got a pair of thick gauntlets
 26701 | Lair:1   | Identified the +3 pair of gauntlets of War (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 27714 | D:15     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 27721 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 28827 | D:16     | Received a gift from Trog
 28852 | D:16     | HP: 5/128 [blade trap (36)]
 29146 | D:16     | Received a gift from Trog
 29444 | D:17     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 29554 | D:17     | Noticed Saint Roka
 29560 | D:17     | Reached skill level 19 in Axes
 29572 | D:17     | HP: 17/128 [Saint Roka/divine providence (8)]
 29575 | D:17     | HP: 8/128 [reaper/glowing scythe[Saint Roka] (14)]
 29863 | D:17     | Defeated Saint Roka
 29863 | D:17     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 53/138 MP: 8/8
 30630 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 30951 | Orc:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 31039 | Orc:2    | Noticed Blork the orc
 31045 | Orc:2    | Defeated Blork the orc
 31446 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 31458 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 31483 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 31672 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 31680 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 31687 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 31816 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 31826 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 31862 | Orc:4    | Noticed Erolcha
 31875 | Orc:4    | Defeated Erolcha
 32172 | Orc:4    | Found Nifuvvif's Food Emporium.
 32290 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32291 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32292 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32292 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32300 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32311 | Orc:4    | HP: 17/138 [orc priest/divine providence (12)]
 32328 | Orc:4    | HP: 19/138 [orc priest/divine providence (12)]
 32343 | Orc:4    | HP: 14/138 [orc high priest/divine providence (11)]
 32642 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32656 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32671 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32681 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32681 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 32760 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32776 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32818 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32824 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 32860 | Orc:4    | Found Keaffuim's Magic Scroll Shop.
 32860 | Orc:4    | Found Jenoj's Food Shoppe.
 32878 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 32878 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 32884 | Orc:4    | Defeated an orc high priest
 33006 | Orc:4    | Found Weneog's Food Shop.
 33006 | Orc:4    | Found Ghaofatywn's Distillery.
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of identify for 34 gold pieces
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of identify for 34 gold pieces
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 51 gold pieces
 33068 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 51 gold pieces
 33418 | Orc:2    | Noticed Maurice
 33427 | Orc:2    | Defeated Maurice
 33559 | Orc:1    | Found Ynaul's Jewellery Boutique.
 33567 | Orc:1    | Bought an uncursed ring of life protection for 280 gold pieces
 33567 | Orc:1    | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from magic for 350 gold pieces
 33858 | Orc:3    | Noticed Eustachio
 33866 | Orc:3    | Defeated Eustachio
 34174 | Vault:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 34822 | Vault:1  | Received a gift from Trog
 34937 | Vault:1  | Found Erin's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 35225 | Vault:2  | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades
 35321 | Vault:2  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 39/147 MP: 9/9
 35420 | Vault:2  | Noticed Erica
 35435 | Vault:2  | Defeated Erica
 35504 | Vault:2  | Received a gift from Trog
 35790 | Vault:2  | Received a gift from Trog
 36097 | Vault:2  | Got a pair of distressingly furry boots
 36100 | Vault:2  | Identified the cursed +1 pair of boots of the Armoured One (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)
 36234 | Vault:2  | Noticed Agnes
 36254 | Vault:2  | Defeated Agnes
 36521 | Vault:3  | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 36569 | Vault:3  | Noticed Roxanne
 36844 | Vault:3  | Noticed Frances
 36854 | Vault:3  | Defeated Frances
 38046 | Vault:4  | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 38531 | Vault:4  | Received a gift from Trog
 38571 | Vault:4  | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 38571 | Vault:4  | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 38571 | Vault:4  | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 38683 | Vault:4  | Reached skill level 20 in Axes
 39403 | Vault:4  | Got an inconspicuous book
 39496 | Vault:5  | Found Waruj's Magical Wand Shop.
 39540 | Vault:5  | Got a faintly glowing chain mail
 39560 | Vault:5  | Identified the +4 chain mail of Dishonesty (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)
 40860 | Vault:5  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 59/157 MP: 9/9
 40887 | Vault:5  | Noticed Norris
 40887 | Vault:5  | Paralysed by Norris for 7 turns
 40900 | Vault:5  | Paralysed by it for 4 turns
 40913 | Vault:5  | HP: 23/157 [something (4)]
 40925 | Vault:5  | Defeated Norris
 41197 | Vault:6  | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 41359 | Vault:6  | Noticed a deep elf priest
 41360 | Vault:6  | Noticed a deep elf conjurer
 41366 | Vault:6  | Defeated a deep elf conjurer
 41373 | Vault:6  | Defeated a deep elf priest
 41570 | Vault:6  | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades.
 41680 | Vault:6  | HP: 16/157 [large slime creature (22)]
 41785 | Vault:6  | Noticed Mara
 41798 | Vault:6  | Noticed Tasonir's illusion
 41805 | Vault:6  | HP: 7/157 [Tasonir's illusion[Mara] (23)]
 42297 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 42308 | Snake:1  | Noticed Azrael
 42330 | Lair:4   | Defeated Azrael
 42594 | Snake:1  | Noticed Urug
 42607 | Snake:1  | Defeated Urug
 42756 | Snake:1  | Found Zabiynk's Weapon Shoppe.
 42790 | Snake:1  | Noticed Donald
 42806 | Snake:1  | Defeated Donald
 42901 | Snake:1  | Noticed Jozef
 42910 | Snake:1  | Defeated Jozef
 43286 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 21 in Axes
 43506 | Snake:2  | Noticed Nessos
 43520 | Snake:2  | Defeated Nessos
 45025 | Snake:4  | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute (Int +1).
 46088 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 46112 | Elf:1    | Gained mutation: You passively map a large area around you.
 46112 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 144/166 MP: 7/7
 46133 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 17. HP: 157/157 MP: 6/7
 46417 | Elf:1    | Found Kuiv's General Store.
 46430 | Elf:1    | Bought a scroll of identify for 32 gold pieces
 46430 | Elf:1    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 88 gold pieces
 46431 | Elf:1    | Bought a scroll of summoning for 152 gold pieces
 46495 | Elf:1    | Found Hetel's General Store.
 46521 | Elf:1    | Bought a scroll of vorpalise weapon for 220 gold pieces
 46573 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 146/166 MP: 7/7
 46637 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 17. HP: 146/157 MP: 6/7
 46675 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 154/166 MP: 7/7
 46854 | Elf:1    | Found Tresm's Jewellery Emporium.
 46947 | Elf:1    | Bought an uncursed amulet of inaccuracy for 30 gold pieces
 46947 | Elf:1    | Bought the ring of Xom's Envy {-CAST rElec MR} for 690 gold pieces
 46947 | Elf:1    | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from cold for 375 gold pieces
 46950 | Elf:1    | Bought an uncursed ring of sustain abilities for 262 gold pieces
 47175 | Elf:1    | Found Geesyj Struba's Weapon Shoppe.
 47175 | Elf:1    | Found Trakiat's Food Boutique.
 47605 | Elf:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 47689 | Elf:2    | Noticed Josephine
 47694 | Elf:2    | Defeated Josephine
 48425 | Elf:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 49007 | Elf:3    | Got a jewelled scale mail
 49705 | Hive:1   | Identified the +3 scale mail of the Countless Demons (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 50363 | Elf:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 50957 | Elf:4    | Found Okiost's General Store.
 50974 | Elf:4    | Bought a potion of speed for 93 gold pieces
 50974 | Elf:4    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 51 gold pieces
 51168 | Elf:5    | Entered Level 5 of the Elven Halls
 51278 | Elf:5    | Received a gift from Trog
 51846 | Elf:5    | Received a gift from Trog
 52010 | Elf:5    | Noticed a deep elf blademaster
 52021 | Elf:5    | HP: 15/166 [deep elf annihilator/crystal spear (47)]
 53095 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 22 in Axes
 53542 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 53699 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 53700 | Lair:8   | Got a brightly glowing sling {god gift}
 53701 | Lair:8   | Identified the sling of Eternal War {god gift, speed, Dex+1} (Trog gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 53995 | Lair:8   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 54127 | Lair:8   | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +2).
 54254 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 54458 | Lair:8   | Found a frozen archway.
 54472 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 54816 | IceCv    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 55498 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 55691 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 56178 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 56777 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 93 gold pieces
 56777 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 93 gold pieces
 56777 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 93 gold pieces
 56777 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 93 gold pieces
 56977 | D:11     | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 181 gold pieces
 57611 | Crypt:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt
 57735 | Crypt:1  | Reached XP level 19. HP: 161/174 MP: 8/8
 57816 | Crypt:1  | Got a faintly glowing quarterstaff
 57817 | Crypt:1  | Identified the quarterstaff of Light {slay orc, Hunger Str+3 Int+4} (You found it on level 1 of the Crypt)
 58572 | Crypt:2  | HP: 23/170 [ghoul[a curse skull] (6)]
 58580 | Crypt:2  | HP: 37/250 [curse skull/torment (16)]
 58581 | Crypt:2  | HP: 16/250 [ghoul[a curse skull] (8)]
 59041 | Crypt:2  | Got a slimy spear
 59042 | Crypt:2  | Identified the cursed spear of the Lamprey {venom, +Rage} (You found it on level 2 of the Crypt)
 59057 | Crypt:2  | Got a pitted glass ring
 59073 | Crypt:2  | Found a staircase to the Tomb.
 60046 | Crypt:3  | Identified the cursed ring of Relativism (You found it on level 2 of the Crypt)
 60213 | Crypt:3  | HP: 22/161 [skeletal warrior/elven long sword (10)]
 60991 | Crypt:4  | Noticed Khufu
 61009 | Crypt:4  | HP: 15/161 [alligator simulacrum[Khufu] (20)]
 61128 | Crypt:4  | Noticed Xtahua
 61147 | Crypt:4  | Defeated Xtahua
 61147 | Crypt:4  | Reached XP level 20. HP: 100/170 MP: 8/8
 61313 | Crypt:4  | Noticed Mennas
 61673 | Blade    | Entered the Hall of Blades
 61856 | Blade    | HP: 36/270 [glowing great mace (24)]
 61864 | Blade    | HP: 25/180 [glowing great mace (16)]
 61870 | Blade    | HP: 27/180 [poisoned by a hand axe of venom]
 61874 | Blade    | HP: 6/180 [glowing great mace (20)]
 61875 | Blade    | Mangled by a great mace of holy wrath

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Post Saturday, 10th December 2011, 07:17

Re: YASD: DDBe died at level 20, a personal best :)

Invis just massively reduces their effectiveness. Of course if you're already at the point where a gentle breeze could kill you.. :P

Crypt Cleanser

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Post Saturday, 10th December 2011, 07:59

Re: YASD: DDBe died at level 20, a personal best :)

I think you missed my point, which is that you're going to get far more healing using trog's hand at the upper end of piety than at the lower end. And who cares about mp on ddbe - it can't even use guardian spirit.
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Post Saturday, 10th December 2011, 13:39

Re: YASD: DDBe died at level 20, a personal best :)

CPM isn't something to bet on even with Okawaru, and really rare otherwise. You probably can get GDA in late V or Zot, but before plate armour does the job well. In fact, I find myself winning more and more games in plate instead of the really heavy stuff.

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Post Saturday, 10th December 2011, 19:04

Re: YASD: DDBe died at level 20, a personal best :)

I seem to have really, really beaten the odds on my next DDBe, then...I'll probably put up a CIP at some point tomorrow, I don't have the time to play much today. But the short version is he got banished to the abyss in a freak accident at level 13 (agnes dispersal weapon) and managed to stay long enough to get the rune. My first ever rune of zot. Which was great, because I had a trove on D:15 that wanted a rune. I went inside and not only did I get crystal plate armour, but also a pretty sweet +5 enchanted randart boots with rF+ :) At level 16 I have 48 AC.

I have a vampiric dwarven battleaxe and crystal plate mail before I even finished the lair. I'm most likely to die from just running around and autoattacking monsters with the button held down at this point :P

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Post Monday, 12th December 2011, 17:56

Re: YASD: DDBe died at level 20, a personal best :)

...and I owe you an apology for being so flippant about the piety management issue. I went ahead and ran a DDBe myself to see how it works out, with a deliberate building of Slings to 8 so that I would start getting ammo gifts. (That, and DD's have a good aptitude for Slings, so it's a good synergy.)

Things were fine until about Lair:6.

At that point, even a +3,+6 antimagic eveningstar wasn't dishing out the damage faster than I was taking it, and 6* piety went down to 5* on a pretty consistent basis.

Swamp:2 saw my normal piety level drop to 4*, and on top of it, that's when the ammo gifts started coming in.

Swamp:3 is where I started fighting to keep piety at 4*. Fortunately I had acquired a rod of summoning. Three canine familiars is a poor substitute for a single Brother, though.

I died on Swamp:4 at 3* after having expended 3 permanent MP to keep my wand of heal wounds recharged over the course of the game.

Guess it's not quite as easy as I thought.
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Post Tuesday, 13th December 2011, 01:55

Re: YASD: DDBe died at level 20, a personal best :)

I honestly feel like Trog's god gifts weaken him as a god choice in the long term. Sure, the first 5-10 are nice, but afterwards you're unlikely to get something better, although there's always some chance. But the repeated gifting just makes it very hard to break into 6 stars and beyond, which lowers the power of trog's hand/brothers. I'm not sure if they'd consider allowing you to disable god gifts after a certain point; going to trog's altar and saccing any one of his god gifts tells him you've had enough? I'd love to see it, but I'm not sure if they would consider you telling your god off to be a good idea ;) Have it spawn a hostile brother near the atlar and only if you kill it will trog consider you strong enough to no longer need weapons? ;)

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