Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?


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Snake Sneak

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Joined: Saturday, 27th August 2011, 22:00

Post Wednesday, 26th October 2011, 18:53

Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?

So I have a bit of an ogre obsession. All at one time I love and hate how they are so squishy and how easy it is to die if I don't pay attention for two seconds. After countless experiments, I have finally arrived at one of my longtime goals: Swinging a giant spiked club while hasted. It is awesome how this guy can straight up 1v1 6 headed hydras in melee at level 13.

Another one of my obsessions is to be a follower of Jivya from midgame onward. If I can get it to the point that I can cast statueform+haste+swing my giant spiked club at things.. well.. I will of reached one of my earliest Crawl goals. So as part of this mighty dream, I plan to shortly convert to the Jelly god and become an Archjelly myself. [I just found an altar after playing a little more]

So what problems can I expect? Hmm. So far, I am already having trouble with being overburdened (special thanks to Large Rocks), but I also just learned how to Fly. I know especially that when I swap to the jelly lord I will eventually be reduced to like 10 strength. I guess having to spam fly is just going to be on of the costs to being amazing?

My current plan is to get 1 more gifted spell book from Sif Muna and by then of found a Jivya altar, at which point I will swapzilla right into that shiznit.
Since I've reached my overall character build, I am going to start spreading my EXP between M&F,Fighting Dodge, Spellcasting & a bit of translocation and what not because I really want to cast Phase Shift.

Spell levels are getting really tight at this point, any tips on what spells to drop before I quit sif muna?

When I drop sif muna, I figure the safest thing I could do is go clear orc 1-3. Another idea I have is to go into hibernation (esp if I get another ring of sustenance) for like 10k turns to help reduce my penance.. But I don't have much experience iwth god wrath.. Help?

Any comments or tips? Any even crazier ideas, like turning to jivya and becoming a pure caster.. ie put the rest of my points into summoning -> summon bad ass shit -> haste my minions. Or becoming a conjurer? I don't really have a good ranged attack and I think I'm going to have to drop my large rocks when I get to like 10 strength (even with Fly)

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.10-a0-1263-gc6be924 character file.

Twiko the Ogre Mage (Ogre Hunter)                  Turns: 35489, Time: 02:10:42

HP 129/139       AC  6     Str 20      XL: 13   Next: 31%
MP  30/33        EV 12     Int 13      God: Sif Muna [******]
Gold 716         SH  0     Dex 10      Spells: 13 memorised,  6 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .    x - +0,+3 giant spiked club
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  b - +2 robe
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .    (shield restricted)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    (helmet restricted)
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : +    h - +0 cloak
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    Z - amulet of clarity
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : +    N - ring of sustenance
Saprovore : + . .   Ctrl.Flight: +    S - ring of poison resistance

@: flying, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: unfitting armour, fast metabolism 1, +10% hp, saprovore 1, screaming 1, tough
skin 1, Int -1
a: Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion


You are on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 20 of its levels.
You have visited 1 portal chamber: ice_cave.

You have collected 821 gold pieces.
You have spent 125 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 x - a +0,+3 giant spiked club (weapon)
 G - a +1,+2 great mace of freezing
Missiles
 A - 4 +1 large rocks (quivered)
Armour
 a - a +0 cloak
 b - a +2 robe (worn)
 c - a +2 robe
 d - a +0 cloak
 h - a +0 cloak (worn)
 D - a +0 elven robe of positive energy
Magical devices
 e - a wand of cold
 m - a brass wand
 r - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 3}
 z - a curved bronze wand
 E - a wand of digging {zapped: 5}
 H - a wand of cold {zapped: 6}
 I - a wand of healing {recharged}
 Q - a wand of polymorph other {zapped: 4}
Comestibles
 f - 5 meat rations
 n - a chunk of snake flesh
 B - 3 chunks of worker ant flesh
 K - 2 bread rations
 R - 2 chunks of hippogriff flesh
Scrolls
 i - 2 scrolls labeled CLOIRR THIBA {tried}
 j - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 k - 3 scrolls of recharging
 l - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 o - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 t - 2 scrolls of fear
 w - 6 scrolls of identify
 C - 4 scrolls of detect curse
 P - 3 scrolls of teleportation
Jewellery
 N - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
 S - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 Z - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
Potions
 g - a green potion
 p - a potion of speed
 s - a potion of resistance
 v - 2 potions of magic
 M - a potion of mutation
 U - 2 potions of restore abilities
 V - 2 potions of agility
 W - 4 potions of heal wounds
 Y - 21 potions of healing
Books
 q - Sif Muna's Compendium of Good Luck and Stolen Souls {god gift}
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Lethal Infusion                    Charms/Necromancy            2
   *Repel Missiles                    Charms/Air                   2
   Regeneration                       Charms/Necromancy            3
   *Flight                            Charms/Air                   3
   *Control Teleport                  Charms/Translocation         4
   Excruciating Wounds                Charms/Necromancy            5
 u - a book of Envenomations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Spider Form                        Transmutation/Poison         3
   Poison Weapon                      Charms/Poison                3
   Summon Scorpions                   Summoning/Poison             4
   Olgreb's Toxic Radiance            Poison                       4
   Poisonous Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       6
 y - a book of Enchantments   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Tukima's Dance                     Hexes                        3
   *See Invisible                     Charms                       4
   Cause Fear                         Hexes                        4
   Silence                            Hexes/Air                    5
   Deflect Missiles                   Charms/Air                   6
   *Haste                             Charms                       6
 F - Cotir's Grimoire of the Voyage {god gift}
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Shroud of Golubria                 Charms/Translocation         2
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Passage of Golubria                Translocation                4
 J - a book of Frost   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Freeze                             Ice                          1
   Throw Frost                        Conjuration/Ice              2
   *Ozocubu's Armour                  Charms/Ice                   3
   Throw Icicle                       Conjuration/Ice              4
   Summon Ice Beast                   Ice/Summoning                4
   Condensation Shield                Ice/Transmutation            4
 L - a book of Fire   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Fire Brand                        Charms/Fire                  2
   Ignite Poison                      Fire/Transmutation           5
   Fireball                           Conjuration/Fire             5
   Bolt of Fire                       Conjuration/Fire             6
   Delayed Fireball                   Conjuration/Fire             7
   Ring of Flames                     Charms/Fire                  7
   Dragon Form                        Fire/Transmutation           8
 O - a book of Annihilations {highlevel}   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Poison Arrow                       Conjuration/Poison           6
   Orb of Destruction                 Conjuration                  7
   Chain Lightning                    Conjuration/Air              8
   Lehudib's Crystal Spear            Conjuration/Earth            8
   Ice Storm                          Conjuration/Ice              9
   Fire Storm                         Conjuration/Fire             9
Miscellaneous
 X - a lantern of shadows


   Skills:
 - Level 10 Fighting
 - Level 10 Maces & Flails
 - Level 6 Throwing
 - Level 6 Dodging
 - Level 2 Stealth
 - Level 1 Unarmed Combat
 * Level 15 Spellcasting
 - Level 8 Charms
 + Level 1 Translocations


You have 6 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Success   Level  Hunger
a - Fire Brand            Fire/Chrm      ####......   Excellent   2    None
b - Ozocubu's Armour      Ice/Chrm       ####......   Excellent   3    None
c - Flight                Air/Chrm       ####......   Excellent   3    None
d - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          Great       2    None
e - Apportation           Tloc           ###.......   Excellent   1    None
f - See Invisible         Chrm           #####.....   Excellent   4    Choko
g - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ###......    Great       1    None
h - Stone Arrow           Erth/Conj      ###....      Good        3    None
j - Alistair's Intoxicat  Pois/Trmt      ###......    Very Poor   4    Choko
k - Projected Noise       Hex            N/A          Very Good   2    None
l - Haste                 Chrm           #####....    Fair        6    Honeycomb
m - Repel Missiles        Air/Chrm       ####......   Excellent   2    None
n - Control Teleport      Chrm/Tloc      ####......   Very Good   4    Choko


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (7/8) D:9
  Swamp (0/5) Lair:2     
   Orc: D:6-11      Shoals: Lair:3-6     Slime: Lair:6-8     Snake: Lair:3-6

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:4: *

Annotations
D:7 Ancient Lotgo's ghost, experienced OgSt
D:10 Jozef
D:11 Tele Ogre lol's ghost, experienced OgWr
Port exclusion: ice statue


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have a fast metabolism.
You can tolerate rotten meat.
You have tough skin (AC +1).
You are dopey (Int -1).
You are robust (+10% HP).
You occasionally shout uncontrollably.

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Wednesday, 26th October 2011, 19:52

Re: Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?

Umm, 10 Maces&Flails is rather suboptimal. You should increase that to 10 delay (which is at 16 skill IIRC) and later to minimal delay. You can't use Haste in every fight.

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Blades Runner

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Post Wednesday, 26th October 2011, 20:00

Re: Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?

cerebovssquire wrote:You can't use Haste in every fight.

Sure he can! He did say mutant..
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Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Wednesday, 26th October 2011, 20:15

Re: Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?

Pile all those large rocks somewhere; only other larges can get them and the jellies can't eat them, then brand them all up in one big go for +5 Large Rocks.
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Snake Sneak

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Post Wednesday, 26th October 2011, 22:03

Re: Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?

It is definitely sustainable through this part of the game to use haste every fight, even as an ogre, cuz there is plenty of food to go around. When I swap to jiyva in a minute here and my int blows up, my food cost will go further down :D

so yah I'm using haste every significant fight (spiny frog encounters, hydra, blink frog packs << v dangerous)

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Post Thursday, 27th October 2011, 13:40

Re: Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?

Point taken re: Haste (who cares about a single or couple bad or mutation(s) with Jiyva, right).
Well, even in that case it's not a huge investment to get M&F to 20ish levels (on Ogres...) with lots of pay-off.
Also, you want more than Fair success once you lose miscast protection, you want Great.

Snake Sneak

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Post Thursday, 27th October 2011, 16:24

Re: Bad ass hasted mutant ogre?

Yep I've played a bit more. I think I'm about level 15 or 16. Been with Jivya for a while now, the change in intellect has brought Haste up to Good-Great (Depending if the jelly god feels like giving or taking a point or two of int). Things are going really well except I've been screwing up with my glow, been too impatient and I've been saddled by a pretty dangerous Teleportitis 2 mutation.. I will try keeping Control Teleport up 100% of the time so I can keep pressing forward. Gonna take it really ez in elf 1-3 to avoid glow and get rid of all these bad mutations via jivya. My piety can't keep up with mutation curing when I put myself into yellow glow all the time hehe

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