CiP: KoBe of Trog, should I abandon Trog?


Yet Another Stupid Death - Find a particularly innovative way to get killed? Share your pain!
Yet Another Victory Post - Brag about your bad-ass character and all your runes and whatnot.
Characters in Progress - share promising or interesting characters that are not dead yet.

Temple Termagant

Posts: 8

Joined: Sunday, 16th March 2014, 02:44

Post Thursday, 9th April 2020, 23:37

CiP: KoBe of Trog, should I abandon Trog?

Hey all!

I've always wanted to build a crossbow user, so I started as a KoBe to get through the early - mid game and build enough xp to skill xbows. I'm at 18ish skill right now, just cleared Lair and Orc. I'm wondering now if it would be a good time to abandon Trog in favor of Okawaru or a different god so I can use mobility spells to complement the crossbow. Would I run out of bolts due to lack of god ammo gifts? How bad is Trog's wrath in practice?

Also, I'm debating whether to switch from my artifact robe to an enchanted plate mail or not. Thoughts?

Thanks all!

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

Stickmanbob the Sharpshooter (Kobold Berserker)           Turns: 32410, Time: 01:41:19

Health: 97/97      AC:  9    Str: 18    XL:     15   Next: 61%
Magic:  15/15      EV: 27    Int: 12    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   1422       SH:  0    Dex: 20    Spells: 14/14 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis +   b - +1 arbalest
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   j - +5 robe of Joy {Regen+ Slay+3}
rPois    .         Spirit   .   (no helmet)
rElec    .         Reflect  .   y - +0 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   (no gloves)
MR       +....                  (no boots)
Stlth    ++........             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.66/turn              w - +2 ring of evasion
MPRegen  0.14/turn              B - ring of Apliypha {Dex+6 SInv}

@: no status effects
A: small, carnivore
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 22 of its levels.

You have collected 2257 gold pieces.
You have spent 835 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +2 short sword of venom
 b - a +1 arbalest (weapon)
 e - a +2 hand crossbow of freezing
 N - a +2 short sword of holy wrath
Missiles
 P - 63 bolts (quivered)
Armour
 j - the +5 robe of Joy (worn) {Regen+ Slay+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 y - a +0 cloak (worn)
 M - a +3 plate armour
Jewellery
 p - a coral ring
 w - a +2 ring of evasion (left hand)
 B - the ring of Apliypha (right hand) {Dex+6 SInv}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+6).
   It lets you see invisible.
Wands
 t - a wand of enslavement (16)
 v - a wand of flame (22)
 E - a wand of iceblast (26)
 H - a wand of random effects (37)
 J - a wand of acid (25)
 K - a wand of polymorph (7)
Scrolls
 g - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
 h - 7 scrolls of teleportation
 i - 8 scrolls of remove curse
 k - 2 scrolls of identify
 n - 3 scrolls of enchant armour
 x - 2 scrolls of fear
 z - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 D - a scroll of silence
 F - a scroll of holy word
 G - 5 scrolls of blinking
 I - a scroll of brand weapon
 L - a scroll labeled SASERPH SEMPUSE
Potions
 f - 3 potions of might
 l - 10 potions of curing
 m - 4 potions of lignification
 o - 5 potions of heal wounds
 q - a potion of invisibility
 r - a potion of flight
 s - a potion of berserk rage
 u - 6 potions of agility
 A - 2 potions of haste
 Q - 2 potions of resistance
 S - a potion of magic
Books
 d - a book of Minor Magic   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Magic Dart                   Conjuration                   1
    b - Blink                        Translocation                 2
    c - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    d - Slow                         Hexes                         2
    e - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    f - Mephitic Cloud               Conjuration/Poison/Air        3
   
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.
 C - a book of Summonings   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Recall                       Summoning/Translocation       3
    b - Aura of Abjuration           Summoning                     5
    c - Summon Demon                 Summoning                     5
    d - Summon Forest                Summoning/Translocation       5
    e - Summon Mana Viper            Hexes/Summoning               5
    f - Shadow Creatures             Summoning                     6
   
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.
Comestibles
 c - 23 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 12.7 Fighting
 - Level 12.4 Short Blades
 + Level 17.4 Crossbows
 + Level 10.1 Armour
 * Level 11.7 Dodging
   Level 3.5 Shields


You have 14 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (14/15)            Temple (0/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:11
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4       Spider (0/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2       
Vaults: D:13-14     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Dithmenos
Gozag
Makhleb
Trog
Xom
Yredelemnul
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:5 =   D:6 [   D:10 }:}(}   Orc:2 !*?:*

Annotations:
D:14 Louise


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.


Message History

Items here: ( )) [
3 tomahawks; a hand axe; a leather armour; a dagger
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
There is an open door here.
There is a staircase to the Lair here.
You climb downwards. Welcome back to the Lair of Beasts!
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
Items here: !!! " )) :::: == ? [[[
Char dumped to '/home/ajay/.crawl/morgue/Ajay.txt'.
Saving game... please wait.
Welcome back, Ajay the Kobold Berserker.
Trog says: Kill them all!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Save game and exit?
Welcome back, Ajay the Kobold Berserker.
Trog says: Kill them all!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
There's nothing to close nearby.

###########################
..........................#
.........................)#
####...................[..#
   ##..P######.P##........#
♣♣♣ #..##    ####P...=.@<.#
♣.♣##.##        ##........#
....P.#      ### #........#
P♣♣...########.###........##
♣♣♣##..........)..........P#
    #..........########...##
    #...........#     #...#
 ####..........##     #...#
##P##..........##     #...#
................#     #...#
#######♣♣......##     #...#
†....#  ♣♣♣....##     #..♣#♣#♣
#....# ♣♣.♣....P#     #......#
#....##♣.♣♣....##     #..♣#♣.♣#


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A dire elephant (Lair:6)
  6 hydras
  A centaur warrior (D:12)
  A merfolk avatar (Lair:6)
  6 two-headed ogres
  3 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  5 skeletal warriors (D:13)
  A sea snake (Lair:6)
  A harpy (Lair:6)
  A deep elf mage (D:14)
  4 orc knights
  4 orc sorcerers (Orc:2)
  A wolf spider (Lair:3)
  A cyclops (D:12)
  A manticore (D:7)
  2 oklob plants (Lair:3)
  8 ugly things
  Maurice (Orc:1)
  9 elephants
  2 centaur zombies
  Psyche (D:8)
  The ghost of Ajay the Ruffian, a novice TrHu (D:4)
  7 black mambas
  A gargoyle (D:13)
  A torpor snail (Lair:5)
  A kobold demonologist (D:13)
  9 spiny frogs
  2 rime drakes (Lair:6)
  An efreet (D:13)
  7 komodo dragons
  3 meliai (D:13)
  2 trolls
  3 wind drakes (Lair:6)
  7 polar bears
  5 slime creatures (D:13)
  9 blink frogs
  A snapping turtle (Orc:2)
  10 hippogriffs
  A wraith (D:10)
  A vampire (D:9)
  A spriggan (D:7)
  5 wyverns
  2 shadows
  6 basilisks
  9 yaks
  A steam dragon (D:10)
  A hungry ghost (D:12)
  A warg (Orc:1)
  16 water moccasins
  7 porcupines
  2 black bears
  An ice beast (D:6)
  3 eyes of draining
  19 orc warriors
  3 sky beasts
  A hornet zombie (D:13)
  A phantom (D:9)
  10 ogres
  2 necrophages
  16 wolves
  9 centaurs
  10 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds
  14 bullfrogs
  3 water moccasin zombies
  8 scorpions
  11 killer bees
  6 wights
  4 howler monkeys
  A bullfrog zombie (D:11)
  13 crimson imps
  A quasit (D:12)
  2 centaur skeletons
  7 jellies
  6 hounds
  20 orc priests
  24 orc wizards
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:8)
  Jessica (D:2)
  4 iguanas
  8 worker ants
  A killer bee zombie (D:9)
  A hound zombie (D:9)
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  2 howler monkey zombies
  A worker ant zombie (D:8)
  4 gnolls (D:5)
  13 adders
  3 shadow imps
  A white imp (D:13)
  An ooze (D:1)
  An adder zombie (D:6)
  An adder skeleton (D:8)
  7 worms
  4 leopard geckos
  79 orcs
  5 ball pythons
  6 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  9 jackals
  12 kobolds
  8 quokkas
  7 bats
  4 frilled lizards
  A jackal zombie (D:8)
  2 leopard gecko skeletons
  A quokka skeleton (D:9)
  12 rats
  5 plants
602 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Saint Roka (Orc:2)
  Erica (Lair:1)
  A manticore (Lair:4)
  A centaur skeleton (D:10)
  A porcupine (Lair:1)
  An orc warrior (Orc:2)
  A bullfrog (Lair:1)
  An orc priest (D:10)
  2 orc wizards (D:10)
  An orc (D:10)
11 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  7 fungi
  11 plants
18 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 631 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Ajay the Kobold Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 1/1
    71 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 2/2
   187 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
   378 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/23 MP: 3/3
   561 | D:1      | Reached ** piety under Trog
   772 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/28 MP: 4/4
  1340 | D:2      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  1341 | D:2      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  1341 | D:2      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1513 | D:2      | Noticed Jessica
  1543 | D:2      | Killed Jessica
  1543 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 32/32 MP: 5/5
  2271 | D:3      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  2799 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 37/37 MP: 6/6
  2855 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  2866 | D:4      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  2867 | D:4      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  3233 | D:4      | Noticed Ajay's ghost (novice TrHu)
  3257 | D:4      | Killed Ajay's ghost
  3257 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
  3257 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 41/41 MP: 7/7
  3724 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3786 | D:5      | Found Sabipt's Jewellery Emporium.
  4092 | D:5      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  4104 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 46/46 MP: 5/8
  5194 | D:5      | Bought the ring of Apliypha {Dex+6 SInv} for 346 gold pieces
  5742 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  6317 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 51/51 MP: 9/9
  6368 | D:6      | Found Muboogass's Antique Armour Emporium.
  6968 | D:6      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  7467 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  7636 | D:7      | Noticed a manticore
  7657 | D:7      | Killed a manticore
  8189 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 56/58 MP: 10/10
  8203 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  8208 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  8303 | D:7      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  9075 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  9091 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
 10268 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10287 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10287 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 67/67 MP: 11/11
 10545 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10584 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10979 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10994 | D:10     | Found Toffam's Weapon Shoppe.
 11078 | D:10     | Found Iceplofe's Gadget Emporium.
 11252 | D:10     | Found Maaqufum's Book Shoppe.
 11254 | D:10     | Found Qeesmez's Gadget Shoppe.
 11269 | D:10     | Reached ***** piety under Trog
 12337 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12346 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12520 | D:10     | Found Hipyjom's Gadget Shop.
 12973 | D:11     | Noticed a green ugly thing
 12997 | D:11     | Killed a green ugly thing
 13909 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 13928 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 13928 | D:11     | Reached skill level 2 in Crossbows
 13928 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 75/75 MP: 12/12
 13992 | D:11     | Reached skill level 3 in Crossbows
 14047 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 14363 | D:11     | Reached skill level 4 in Crossbows
 14396 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 14421 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 14421 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Crossbows
 14866 | D:11     | Reached skill level 6 in Crossbows
 15125 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 15186 | Lair:1   | Noticed Erica
 15193 | Lair:1   | Killed Erica
 15394 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 7 in Crossbows
 16274 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 16283 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 8 in Crossbows
 17116 | Lair:2   | Got a smoking robe
 17132 | Lair:2   | Identified the +5 robe of Joy {Regen+ Slay+3} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 17761 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 9 in Crossbows
 18191 | Lair:3   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 18314 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 18314 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 71/83 MP: 13/13
 18550 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Crossbows
 18808 | Lair:3   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 18812 | Lair:3   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 18821 | Lair:3   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 18828 | Lair:3   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 19334 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 11 in Crossbows
 19402 | Lair:3   | Got a translucent leather armour
 19410 | Lair:3   | Identified the +4 leather armour of Ikiynilu {rF+ MR+ Regen+ Str-5} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 19622 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 19935 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 20107 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 12 in Crossbows
 20645 | Lair:4   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 21135 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 21313 | Lair:4   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 21421 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 21852 | Lair:5   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 21861 | Lair:5   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 21861 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 13 in Crossbows
 22075 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 22263 | Lair:5   | Got a fine chain mail
 22270 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 92/92 MP: 14/14
 22623 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 22810 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 22896 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 23726 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 14 in Crossbows
 24525 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 15 in Crossbows
 25057 | Lair:1   | Identified the cursed +1 chain mail "Zoacous" {+Blink} (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
 25159 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 25209 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 25248 | D:12     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 25300 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 25475 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 25792 | Orc:2    | Noticed Saint Roka
 25801 | Orc:2    | Killed Saint Roka
 25803 | Orc:2    | Found Yplicitt's Distillery.
 25872 | Orc:2    | Noticed Nessos
 26095 | Orc:2    | Noticed Nessos
 26095 | Orc:2    | Nessos changed into Nessos the snapping turtle
 26116 | Orc:2    | Killed Nessos the snapping turtle
 26234 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 26505 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 26696 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 16 in Crossbows
 27490 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 7 turns
 27765 | Orc:2    | Found Ninerhuiz's General Store.
 27835 | Orc:2    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 96/96 MP: 15/15
 27982 | Orc:2    | Found Onoz's General Store.
 27983 | Orc:2    | Found Lere Leiw's Book Boutique.
 27990 | Orc:2    | Found Tyobuaf's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 27995 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 120 gold pieces
 28005 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 105 gold pieces
 28048 | Orc:2    | Bought 2 scrolls of identify for 64 gold pieces
 28048 | Orc:2    | Bought 3 scrolls of identify for 96 gold pieces
 28191 | Orc:1    | Noticed Maurice
 28253 | Orc:1    | Killed Maurice
 28347 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 17 in Crossbows
 28488 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 65 gold pieces
 28488 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of curing for 39 gold pieces
 29366 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 29531 | D:12     | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 31137 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 31995 | D:14     | Noticed Louise

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------+-----
Short Blades   |     5  6  7  8 10 11 12                      | 12.4
Shields        |                       2  3                   |  3.5
Armour         |                       2  4  7  9          10 | 10.1
Dodging        |                       3  5  8  9       10 11 | 11.7
Fighting       |                          4  7  8 10 12       | 12.7
Crossbows      |                                2  9 13 16 17 | 17.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    36 |   212 |   459 |  1101 |   995 ||  2803
       Whip              |    37 |     2 |       |       |       ||    39
 Fire: Arbalest          |       |       |       |     6 |   230 ||   236
       Hand crossbow     |       |       |       |       |   321 ||   321
Invok: Berserk           |     7 |    11 |    28 |    60 |    69 ||   175
       Trog's Hand       |       |     2 |     1 |     4 |     3 ||    10
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |     2 |     3 ||     5
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     4 |     5 ||     9
  Use: Scroll            |       |       |     7 |    15 |    21 ||    43
       Potion            |       |       |     2 |     1 |     2 ||     5
 Stab: Sleeping          |     1 |     6 |       |       |     1 ||     8
  Eat: Chunk             |    14 |    17 |    33 |    98 |   109 ||   271
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |       |     3 ||     4
Armor: Animal skin       |     7 |    23 |     2 |       |       ||    32
       Chain mail        |       |       |    82 |   133 |       ||   215
       Robe              |       |       |       |     6 |    80 ||    86
Dodge: Dodged            |    54 |   127 |   132 |   447 |   677 ||  1437
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    80 |   115 |   125 ||   320

Abyss Ambulator

Posts: 1193

Joined: Friday, 16th January 2015, 20:20

Post Friday, 10th April 2020, 05:19

Re: CiP: KoBe of Trog, should I abandon Trog?

You're not very strong yet, with just a plain +1 arbalest. Leaving Trog is a bad idea. Train some Evocations for your magic.

With 10 Armour skill, I think the plate mail is probably best. It will give you +9 or +10 AC over the robe, albeit with the loss of Slay+3 and some loss in EV. Are scary monsters getting next to you or are you killing them with the arbalest before they get close? If the latter, stay in the robe (and stop training Armour).

Try on the unidentified ring. Consider using a scroll of identify on the unidentified scroll.
User avatar

Zot Zealot

Posts: 991

Joined: Monday, 15th April 2013, 15:10

Location: Augsburg, Germany

Post Friday, 10th April 2020, 10:40

stickmanbob wrote:I'm wondering now if it would be a good time to abandon Trog in favor of Okawaru or a different god [...]

How bad is Trog's wrath in practice?

If you abandon Trog he will send berserking enemies to punish you - the brothers in arms which you can call yourself when you worship him.

This is very dangerous. Most players who abandon Trog do this after they have 3 or 4 runes - and it's still really dangerous then.

Good luck with your kobold!

Zot Zealot

Posts: 1004

Joined: Thursday, 16th August 2018, 21:19

Post Friday, 10th April 2020, 14:42

Re: CiP: KoBe of Trog, should I abandon Trog?

Yes, I think you would run out of bolts if you're not with an ammo-giving god pre-vaults.
After you have killed a few Yaktaurs you'll have enough bolts even without god gifts.

God wrath is generally survivable. Early game, mid game, it doesn't matter. God wrath gets worse as your XL increases, but so does your ability to deal with it. Only in the very very late game god wrath gets less risky.
Trog surrounds you with berserk permanent summons (and does other things too). You need some way to escape being surrounded by berserk enemies if you're going to abandon Trog.
I don't think it's good for your winrate, but I'd still encourage you to do it because it can be fun.

When evaluating armour, just look at AC+EV. regen probably counts as 2 AC and 3Slay as ~4AC.
You might deviate from maximising AC+EV if you want to use stealth or magic. (And there's a lot to be said in favour of using stealth as a goblin.)

If you end up wanting to try get a x-bow character again, I'd recommend a straight Naga Hunter^Oka. Don't train any shield/melee weapon. The early game is very tricky but doable (poison spit is amazing) and the end-game is much more straight-forward.

Temple Termagant

Posts: 8

Joined: Sunday, 16th March 2014, 02:44

Post Friday, 10th April 2020, 18:38

Re: CiP: KoBe of Trog, should I abandon Trog?

Thanks guys!

I'll probably switch to the plate armor. Will short blades work until I'm strong enough to abandon Trog? Crossbows without blink or haste aren't enough to keep enemies out of melee range.

Zot Zealot

Posts: 1004

Joined: Thursday, 16th August 2018, 21:19

Post Friday, 10th April 2020, 20:32

Re: CiP: KoBe of Trog, should I abandon Trog?

Generally the Crossbow will be strong in melee range too. Not as strong as a Great Mace, but strong enough to kill everything, and stronger than any one-handed weapon. Ranged weapons are particularly strong against multiple enemies in corridors. It's possible berserk changes the power dynamics, but I doubt it.
I'd only use short-blades to save ammo.

Return to YASD! YAVP! and characters in progress too

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests

cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by ST Software for PTF.