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Snake Sneak

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Joined: Wednesday, 1st May 2019, 19:31

Post Wednesday, 2nd October 2019, 18:22

CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

This is the farthest I have gotten with a DE ever.
What are the chances of playing a caster of Not Sif Muna and not finding any scrolls of amnesia?
It's driving me crazy. I'm level 20 now, and Vehuhmet has given me his final gifts, and although these would not be my top picks it doesn't matter since I got lucky finding bookshops. In fact, I found a total of 19 (!) shops so far, and not one of them will sell a single scroll of amnesia. Not a sausage. I've cleared the dungeon, the lair, orcs, elves, swamp and spider, and this is the first time I have found a grand fornicating total of ONE scroll of amnesia, which I used to forget Sandblast. What are the chances? Sif Muna's Forget-A-Spell ability is looking better and better. But I need to learn his gifts first, and I will really need to forget some first.
I've had this happen to an Ogre character once too. It seems more common than I thought.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.23.2 (tiles) character file.

Game seed: 8259722613189163802

H8red the Megafrustrated the Eclecticist (DEEE)    Turns: 42185, Time: 10:14:37

Health: 112/112    AC: 15    Str:  7    XL:     20   Next: 12%
Magic:  33/67      EV: 15    Int: 34    God:    Vehumet [******]
Gold:   434        SH:  6    Dex: 15    Spells: 5/53 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis .   p - staff of power
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   c - +1 buckler {rN+}
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   a - +0 robe {rC+ rF+}
rPois    .         Spirit   .   M - +0 helmet of a Gauntlet {+Blink Regen+ Str-4 Stlth+}
rElec    .         Reflect  .   l - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   L - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
MR       +++..                  G - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    ++++......             y - amulet of magic regeneration
HPRegen  0.68/turn              r - ring of magical power
MPRegen  0.65/turn              E - ring "Voesacs" {rF+ MR+ AC+2 Str+3 Int+4}

@: deflect missiles
A: no striking features
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink


You are on level 1 of the Vaults.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 36 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 4365 gold pieces.
You have spent 3931 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 F - the +3 dagger of Departure {pierce, Str+2 Int+5 Dex-4 SInv}
   (You took it off an orc on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It lets you see invisible.
Missiles
 b - 264 stones (quivered)
Armour
 a - a +0 robe of resistance (worn)
 c - a +1 buckler of positive energy (worn)
 l - a +2 cloak (worn)
 G - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 M - the +0 helmet of a Gauntlet (worn) {+Blink Regen+ Str-4 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (-4).
   It lets you blink.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Magical Staves
 i - an uncursed staff of earth
 p - an uncursed staff of power (weapon)
 W - an uncursed staff of fire
 X - an uncursed staff of cold
Jewellery
 r - a ring of magical power (left hand)
 w - an uncursed ring of fire
 y - an amulet of magic regeneration (around neck)
 E - the ring "Voesacs" (right hand) {rF+ MR+ AC+2 Str+3 Int+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+2).
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 Y - a ring of fire
Wands
 j - a wand of disintegration (9)
 n - a wand of paralysis (10)
 z - a wand of flame (30)
 H - a wand of acid (25)
 N - a wand of clouds (3)
 Q - a wand of digging (15)
 U - a wand of iceblast (6)
Scrolls
 q - 4 scrolls of fear
 u - 13 scrolls of teleportation
 v - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 B - 12 scrolls of identify
 J - a scroll of holy word
 R - a scroll of magic mapping
 V - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 e - 3 potions of cancellation
 f - 6 potions of lignification
 g - 5 potions of flight
 h - 10 potions of brilliance
 k - 3 potions of ambrosia
 m - 7 potions of heal wounds
 o - 2 potions of invisibility
 t - 8 potions of curing
 A - 5 potions of resistance
 D - 2 potions of might
 O - 4 potions of magic
 S - 2 potions of haste
 T - 4 potions of agility
Miscellaneous
 s - a lightning rod (4/4)
 I - a lamp of fire
 K - a phial of floods
 P - 3 sacks of spiders
Comestibles
 d - 67 rations
 x - 13 chunks of flesh


   Skills:
 + Level 8.1 Fighting
 - Level 7.0 Armour
 - Level 5.3 Dodging
 - Level 5.1 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 * Level 17.0 Spellcasting
 * Level 15.6 Conjurations
 + Level 14.1 Charms
 + Level 7.0 Summonings
 - Level 9.2 Necromancy
 - Level 6.2 Translocations
 + Level 7.3 Transmutations
 * Level 13.5 Fire Magic
 + Level 10.7 Air Magic
 * Level 16.2 Earth Magic
   Level 3.3 Poison Magic
 - Level 7.0 Evocations


You have 5 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       0%          3    None
c - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           #######...   1%          5    None
d - Fireball              Conj/Fire      #######...   1%          5    None
e - Statue Form           Tmut/Erth      #######..    1%          6    None
f - Bolt of Magma         Conj/Fire/Erth #######...   1%          5    None
g - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      #######...   1%          6    None
h - Spellforged Servitor  Conj/Summ      #######...   3%          7    ####...
p - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          6    None
q - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #######.     0%          2    None
s - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      #######...   1%          2    None
x - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Lehudib's Crystal Spear  Conj/Erth      #######...   3%          8    #####..
 Chain Lightning          Conj/Air       #######...   11%         8    #####..
 Glaciate                 Conj/Ice       ######....   100%        9    #######
 Flame Tongue             Conj/Fire      #####        0%          1    None
 Infusion                 Chrm           ####         0%          1    None
 Magic Dart               Conj           ####         0%          1    None
 Sandblast                Erth           ######       0%          1    None
 Shock                    Conj/Air       ####         0%          1    None
 Song of Slaying          Chrm           #######.     0%          2    None
 Swiftness                Chrm/Air       #######.     0%          2    None
 Throw Flame              Conj/Fire      ######       0%          2    None
 Conjure Flame            Conj/Fire      #######.     0%          3    None
 Static Discharge         Conj/Air       #######.     0%          3    None
 Apportation              Tloc           ######       1%          1    None
 Beastly Appendage        Tmut           ######       1%          1    None
 Confusing Touch          Hex            ####..       1%          1    None
 Sting                    Conj/Pois      ####         1%          1    None
 Summon Small Mammal      Summ           ####         1%          1    None
 Blink                    Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
 Call Imp                 Summ           ######..     1%          2    None
 Ensorcelled Hibernation  Hex/Ice        ####..       1%          2    None
 Poisonous Vapours        Pois/Air       ######       1%          2    None
 Slow                     Hex            ####....     1%          2    None
 Call Canine Familiar     Summ           ######..     1%          3    None
 Gell's Gravitas          Tloc           ######....   1%          3    None
 Inner Flame              Hex/Fire       ######..     1%          3    None
 Mephitic Cloud           Conj/Pois/Air  #######.     1%          3    None
 Recall                   Summ/Tloc      N/A          1%          3    None
 Regeneration             Chrm/Necr      #######...   1%          3    None
 Spectral Weapon          Hex/Chrm       ######..     1%          3    None
 Summon Guardian Golem    Hex/Summ       ######..     1%          3    None
 Airstrike                Air            #######...   1%          4    None
 Animate Dead             Necr           N/A          1%          4    None
 Olgreb's Toxic Radiance  Pois           ######..     1%          4    None
 Petrify                  Tmut/Erth      #######.     1%          4    None
 Sticky Flame             Conj/Fire      #######.     1%          4    None
 Summon Lightning Spire   Summ/Air       ######..     1%          4    None
 Borgnjor's Vile Clutch   Necr/Erth      #######...   1%          5    None
 Irradiate                Conj/Tmut      #######...   1%          5    None
 Lightning Bolt           Conj/Air       #######...   1%          5    None
 Venom Bolt               Conj/Pois      #######...   1%          5    None
 Yara's Violent Unravell  Hex/Tmut       ######....   2%          5    None
 Confuse                  Hex            ####....     3%          3    None
 Tukima's Dance           Hex            ####....     3%          3    None
 Summon Ice Beast         Ice/Summ       ######..     3%          4    None
 Silence                  Hex/Air        ######....   4%          5    None
 Metabolic Englaciation   Hex/Ice        ####......   34%         5    None
 Conjure Ball Lightning   Conj/Air       #######...   1%          6    None
 Freezing Cloud           Conj/Ice/Air   ######....   1%          6    None
 Ring of Flames           Chrm/Fire      #######...   3%          7    ####...
 Death Channel            Necr           #######...   4%          6    None
 Ignition                 Fire           #######...   9%          8    #####..
 Hydra Form               Tmut           ######....   10%         6    None
 Simulacrum               Ice/Necr       ######....   30%         6    None
 Shatter                  Erth           #######...   38%         9    #######
 Dragon Form              Tmut           ######....   47%         7    ####...
 Tornado                  Air            #######...   97%         9    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:11
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:4       Spider (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (1/5) D:14
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:7 !   D:8 *   D:9 :   D:13 (   Orc:2 %[[*%   Elf:1 [[=:?   Elf:2 :
Elf:3 (==}

Portals:
Trove: Elf:1 (give +6 fire dragon scales)

Annotations:
Elf:3 3 runed translucent doors, heteroy's ghost, adept GrFi

Message History

The dead are walking!
x - 13 chunks of flesh (gained 2)
There is an open door, spattered with blood here.
Items here: )) [[
a +0 short sword; a +0 leather armour; a cursed -1 dagger; a +0 leather armour
Save game and exit?
Welcome back, H8red the Megafrustrated the Deep Elf Earth Elementalist.
Vehumet says: Let it end in hellfire!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Forget Sandblast, freeing 1 spell level for a total of 5?
As you read the scroll of amnesia, it crumbles to dust.
Your memory of Sandblast unravels.
Okay, then.
Okay, then.
Search for what [? for help]? shop
Unknown command.
Search for what [Enter for "shop", or ? for help]? amnes
Can't find anything matching that.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.

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You can see 2 friendly deep elf mage skeletons, a friendly necromancer skeleton,
2 friendly vault guard skeletons and a friendly ironheart preserver skeleton.

Vanquished Creatures
  the Lernaean hydra (Swamp:4)
  Nikola (Vaults:1)
  3 deep elf blademasters
  2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3)
  Gastronok (Lair:3)
  Agnes (D:15)
  A thorn hunter (Swamp:1)
  Roxanne (Spider:2)
  Donald (Spider:4)
  3 ghost moths
  8 deep elf sorcerers
  Louise (Swamp:1)
  An emperor scorpion (Spider:4)
  2 vault wardens (Vaults:1)
  2 ironheart preservers
  2 deep elf elementalists (Elf:3)
  3 very ugly things
  6 deep elf demonologists
  Nessos (Lair:6)
  Azrael (D:14)
  5 deep elf annihilators (Elf:3)
  An ettin (Vaults:1)
  A spark wasp (Spider:2)
  3 deep elf death magi (Elf:3)
  2 deep elf high priests (Elf:3)
  2 ice dragons (Vaults:1)
  2 vault guards (Vaults:1)
  19 hydras
  A rakshasa (Vaults:1)
  3 shambling mangroves
  3 ghost crabs
  2 ogre magi
  3 catoblepae (Lair:6)
  5 centaur warriors
  A merfolk avatar (Abyss:3)
  10 two-headed ogres
  21 dancing weapons
  10 alligators
  A deep troll shaman (Vaults:1)
  A queen ant (Spider:2)
  A tengu warrior (D:14)
  10 death yaks (Lair:6)
  5 spriggan berserkers (Elf:3)
  2 orc high priests
  A vampire mage (D:15)
  A thrashing horror (Abyss:3)
  Sonja (Lair:5)
  19 deep elf knights
  A wretched star (Abyss:3)
  12 spriggans
  6 skeletal warriors
  2 deep trolls (D:14)
  3 unseen horrors
  4 wizards
  2 spatial maelstroms (Abyss:3)
  3 spriggan druids
  Pikel (D:8)
  An orange crystal statue (Elf:3)
  3 orc knights (Orc:2)
  A necromancer (D:15)
  2 ironbrand convokers (Vaults:1)
  18 swamp dragons
  13 deep elf archers
  64 deep elf magi
  20 wolf spiders
  13 ugly things
  2 stone giant zombies (D:15)
  4 manticores
  2 orc sorcerers
  4 oklob plants
  6 elephants (Lair:6)
  12 orb spiders
  An iron dragon skeleton (D:15)
  5 ice statues (IceCv)
  4 moths of wrath
  A guardian serpent (D:13)
  Psyche (D:8)
  3 black mambas
  A torpor snail (Lair:6)
  3 centaur zombies
  An apocalypse crab (Abyss:3)
  A gargoyle (D:14)
  A spiny frog (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  10 demonic crawlers
  8 komodo dragons
  18 spiny frogs
  6 yaktaurs (Vaults:1)
  A rime drake (Lair:4)
  An ice devil (Abyss:3)
  An anaconda simulacrum (IceCv)
  2 ancient zymes (Abyss:3)
  A tengu conjurer (D:10)
  20 jumping spiders
  3 meliai
  A polar bear (shapeshifter) (Elf:2)
  5 trolls
  A large abomination (Abyss:3)
  7 blink frogs
  An ettin zombie (D:15)
  11 tyrant leeches
  24 hornets
  23 slime creatures
  10 hippogriffs
  6 bog bodies
  15 tarantellas
  37 redbacks
  An air elemental (Elf:1)
  4 shadows
  A wraith (Abyss:3)
  2 water elementals
  3 vampires
  25 yaks
  A wyvern (D:12)
  7 fire elementals
  A neqoxec (Abyss:3)
  2 hungry ghosts
  14 vampire mosquitoes
  A spatial vortex (Abyss:3)
  An iron troll simulacrum (IceCv)
  A warg (Orc:2)
  6 insubstantial wisps
  13 soldier ants
  18 swamp worms
  10 water moccasins
  6 hydra simulacra (IceCv)
  3 hell hounds (D:14)
  4 porcupines
  9 swamp drakes
  2 slaves (D:8)
  43 orc warriors
  2 hornet zombies (D:15)
  10 ice beasts
  4 sky beasts
  2 black bears
  An ettin simulacrum (IceCv)
  A necrophage (D:11)
  16 ogres
  16 wolves
  21 centaurs
  3 boggarts
  An elf skeleton (Vaults:1)
  9 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:13)
  15 bullfrogs
  2 earth elementals
  2 gnoll sergeants
  7 scorpions
  2 wyvern skeletons
  3 howler monkeys (D:10)
  7 wights
  2 electric eels (Spider:1)
  13 crimson imps
  A bullfrog zombie (D:7)
  12 starcursed masses (Abyss:3)
  7 hounds
  A human simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  20 orc priests
  8 jellies
  23 orc wizards
  4 bullfrog skeletons
  5 centaur skeletons
  8 iguanas
  2 small abominations (Abyss:3)
  29 worker ants
  A hound skeleton (D:8)
  12 adders
  3 gnolls (D:6)
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:6)
  3 shadow imps
  A white imp (Abyss:3)
  An ufetubus (Abyss:3)
  An ooze (D:4)
  An adder zombie (D:7)
  4 adder skeletons
  2 worms
  A dart slug (D:1)
  4 leopard geckos
  97 orcs
  A ball python (D:3)
  7 bats
  5 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  3 hobgoblins
  11 jackals
  14 kobolds
  2 quokkas
  5 frilled lizards
  3 quokka skeletons
  10 rats
  3 fungi (Lair:6)
  3 plants
  2 withered plants (D:15)
1257 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Arachne (Spider:4)
  A thorn hunter (Swamp:4)
  A tentacled starspawn (Abyss:3)
  2 emperor scorpions (Spider:4)
  4 ironheart preservers
  2 entropy weavers (Spider:2)
  A deep elf demonologist (Vaults:1)
  A deep elf annihilator (Vaults:1)
  A deep elf death mage (Vaults:1)
  2 yaktaur captains (Vaults:1)
  A rakshasa (Abyss:3)
  Fannar (Lair:3)
  3 vault guards (Vaults:1)
  An ice dragon (Vaults:1)
  A death yak (Lair:6)
  A deep troll earth mage (D:14)
  3 alligators
  3 large abominations (Abyss:3)
  3 swamp dragons (Swamp:4)
  A deep troll (D:14)
  A glowing orange brain (Vaults:1)
  A deep elf archer (Vaults:1)
  An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:1)
  A necromancer (Vaults:1)
  5 deep elf magi (Vaults:1)
  3 ugly things (Vaults:1)
  A moth of wrath (Spider:3)
  9 orb spiders
  4 wolf spiders
  A cyclops (Vaults:1)
  A slime creature (Swamp:2)
  3 demonic crawlers
  A yaktaur (Vaults:1)
  A freezing wraith (Vaults:1)
  A yaktaur zombie (Vaults:1)
  A hellwing (Abyss:3)
  9 jumping spiders
  8 hornets
  5 tyrant leeches
  A blink frog (Abyss:3)
  9 redbacks
  11 tarantellas
  2 spriggans
  A spatial vortex (Abyss:3)
  12 soldier ants (Spider:2)
  An acid dragon (Vaults:1)
  A water moccasin (Lair:5)
  A small abomination (Abyss:3)
  4 starcursed masses (Abyss:3)
  A centaur (D:14)
  A human zombie (Vaults:1)
  7 worker ants (Spider:2)
  An ufetubus (Abyss:3)
144 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An alligator (Swamp:4)
  2 deep elf archers (Elf:3)
  A deep elf mage (Elf:3)
  A centaur zombie (D:14)
  2 water elementals (Elf:3)
  A bullfrog (D:14)
  4 fungi
  13 plants
  5 toadstools (Swamp:1)
  2 withered plants (D:15)
32 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1433 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | H8red the Megafrustrated the Deep Elf Earth Elementalist
                  | began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6
   119 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 4/8
   125 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
   806 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 18/20 MP: 9/9
   811 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1307 | D:2      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  1312 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  1312 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  1312 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/25 MP: 0/11
  2407 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 29/29 MP: 4/12
  2495 | D:3      | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  3205 | D:4      | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
  3305 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  3309 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  3309 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/35 MP: 7/14
  3366 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
  3941 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 39/39 MP: 11/16
  4287 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4312 | D:5      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  4462 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  4690 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  4975 | D:5      | Identified the cursed +3 dagger of Departure {pierce, Str+2
                  | Int+5 Dex-4 SInv}
  4980 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 44/44 MP: 2/18
  5314 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting
  5714 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  6044 | D:7      | Noticed a centaur warrior
  6048 | D:7      | Killed a centaur warrior
  6048 | D:7      | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting
  6048 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/48 MP: 4/21
  6253 | D:7      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  6427 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  6437 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  6456 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
  6644 | D:7      | Got a crude helmet
  6655 | D:7      | Identified the +0 helmet of a Gauntlet {+Blink Regen+ Str-4
                  | Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  6787 | D:7      | Found Offoxtent's Distillery.
  7021 | D:7      | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
  7021 | D:7      | Bought a potion of degeneration for 12 gold pieces
  7022 | D:7      | Bought a potion of flight for 36 gold pieces
  7022 | D:7      | Bought a potion of mutation for 96 gold pieces
  7130 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  7292 | D:7      | Lost strength.
  7403 | D:8      | Found Gotufelo's Assorted Antiques.
  7409 | D:8      | Bought a metal-bound book for 375 gold pieces
  7416 | D:8      | Learned a level 6 spell: Deflect Missiles
  7444 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
  7526 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
  7526 | D:8      | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting
  7526 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
  7526 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 44/53 MP: 24/24
  7622 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  7624 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
  7624 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
  7726 | D:8      | Bought a scroll labeled VIGEAT DOUC for 25 gold pieces
  7822 | D:8      | Reached * piety under Vehumet
  7822 | D:8      | Offered knowledge of Magic Dart by Vehumet.
  8276 | D:9      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8348 | D:9      | Found Toshu's Book Boutique.
  8462 | D:9      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  8917 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9000 | D:10     | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  9032 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  9143 | D:10     | Learned a level 5 spell: Fireball
  9226 | D:10     | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
  9243 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
  9463 | D:8      | Bought a dented garnet amulet for 125 gold pieces
  9538 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
  9570 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
  9892 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  9936 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  9940 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 10074 | D:11     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 59/59 MP: 25/25
 10078 | D:11     | Reached ** piety under Vehumet
 10078 | D:11     | Offered knowledge of Throw Frost by Vehumet.
 10078 | D:11     | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 10097 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 10108 | D:11     | Noticed a cyan ugly thing
 10223 | D:11     | Killed a cyan ugly thing
 10332 | D:8      | Bought a runed robe for 92 gold pieces
 10391 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 10866 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting
 11498 | Lair:2   | Offered knowledge of Ignite Poison by Vehumet.
 11503 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
 12205 | Lair:3   | Noticed Gastronok
 12228 | Lair:3   | Killed Gastronok
 12228 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 12228 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
 12319 | Lair:3   | Noticed an oklob plant
 12323 | Lair:3   | Noticed an oklob plant
 12323 | Lair:3   | Noticed an oklob plant
 12326 | Lair:3   | Killed an oklob plant
 12330 | Lair:3   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 12335 | Lair:3   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 12551 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 64/64 MP: 27/27
 12589 | Lair:3   | Reached *** piety under Vehumet
 12716 | Lair:3   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 12919 | Lair:3   | Noticed Fannar
 12937 | Lair:3   | Killed Fannar
 12937 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic
 13288 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 13288 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 13393 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 13734 | Lair:4   | Offered knowledge of Olgreb's Toxic Radiance by Vehumet.
 14409 | Lair:5   | Noticed Sonja
 14422 | Lair:5   | Killed Sonja
 14902 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 14909 | Lair:6   | Noticed Nessos
 14910 | Lair:6   | Reached **** piety under Vehumet
 15023 | Lair:6   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 15026 | Lair:6   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 15082 | Lair:6   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 15095 | Lair:6   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 15095 | Lair:6   | Offered knowledge of Force Lance by Vehumet.
 15168 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 70/70 MP: 29/29
 15241 | Lair:6   | Identified the cursed +1 hunting sling of the Six Souls
                  | {speed, MR+ Stlth+} (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of
                  | Beasts)
 15381 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 16001 | Lair:6   | Killed Nessos
 16003 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting
 16304 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
 16371 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 16789 | Lair:6   | Reached ***** piety under Vehumet
 16795 | Lair:6   | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Magma by Vehumet.
 16822 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Charms
 17165 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 5 spell: Bolt of Magma
 17639 | D:9      | Bought a book of Clouds for 450 gold pieces
 17985 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 18041 | D:11     | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 18049 | D:11     | Got a brightly glowing falchion
 18050 | D:11     | Identified the cursed +1 falchion "Olyar" {pain, +Fly rElec
                  | rC+ rN+} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 18570 | D:12     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 76/76 MP: 31/31
 18705 | D:12     | Got a crude silver ring
 18707 | D:12     | Identified the ring "Jubbap" {*Tele Stlth+} (You found it
                  | on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 18838 | D:12     | Identified the Incunabulum of Execration and Poisoning
 19734 | D:13     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 20143 | D:13     | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting
 20633 | D:13     | Found Amesei's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 20709 | D:13     | Offered knowledge of Throw Icicle by Vehumet.
 20713 | D:13     | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria
 21056 | D:14     | Noticed Azrael
 21076 | D:14     | HP: 1/78 [Azrael/damnation (34)]
 21206 | D:14     | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 21304 | D:14     | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 21464 | D:14     | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
 21537 | D:14     | Noticed an ironheart preserver
 21548 | D:14     | Killed an ironheart preserver
 21611 | D:14     | Killed Azrael
 21732 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 21844 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 22253 | D:14     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 69/82 MP: 33/33
 22503 | D:15     | Noticed Agnes
 22508 | D:15     | Killed Agnes
 23212 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 23266 | D:15     | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting
 23301 | D:15     | Offered knowledge of Iron Shot by Vehumet.
 23311 | D:15     | Learned a level 6 spell: Iron Shot
 23532 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 24274 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 24444 | Orc:2    | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet.
 25011 | Orc:2    | Found Conkasur's Antique Armour Shop.
 25011 | Orc:2    | Found Xippar's Antique Armour Shoppe.
 25064 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 25141 | Orc:2    | Found Ofakliots's Food Shoppe.
 25385 | Orc:2    | Found Ebroghet's Assorted Antiques.
 25387 | Orc:2    | Found Kuag's Food Boutique.
 25398 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll labeled QAXEAK SUULAPH for 29 gold pieces
 25399 | Orc:2    | Bought a pair of runed boots for 217 gold pieces
 25531 | D:9      | Bought a book of Unlife for 650 gold pieces
 25936 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 25989 | Elf:1    | Found Akenuics's Book Boutique.
 25990 | Elf:1    | Found Izituo's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 25996 | Elf:1    | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 26014 | Elf:1    | Noticed a deep elf sorcerer
 26018 | Elf:1    | Killed a deep elf sorcerer
 26019 | Elf:1    | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 26334 | Elf:1    | Found Lihopux's Jewellery Shop.
 26642 | Elf:1    | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 26674 | Elf:1    | Found Yshut's Antique Armour Boutique.
 26686 | Elf:1    | Found Agoufair's Antique Armour Shoppe.
 27227 | Elf:2    | Noticed a deep elf sorcerer
 27234 | Elf:2    | Killed a deep elf sorcerer
 27234 | Elf:2    | Reached XP level 16. HP: 59/88 MP: 35/35
 27236 | Elf:2    | Reached ****** piety under Vehumet
 27354 | Elf:2    | Reached skill level 10 in Fire Magic
 27411 | Elf:2    | Found Vushek's Book Boutique.
 27531 | Elf:2    | Offered knowledge of Orb of Destruction by Vehumet.
 27888 | Elf:2    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 27888 | Elf:2    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 27889 | Elf:2    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 28458 | Elf:2    | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting
 28509 | Elf:2    | Noticed a deep elf blademaster
 28515 | Elf:2    | Killed a deep elf blademaster
 29500 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
 29552 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations
 29900 | Elf:3    | Identified the cursed ring "Cial" {rElec Dex-2 Slay+2}
 30045 | Elf:3    | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 30106 | Elf:3    | Found Puzy's Weapon Shop.
 30166 | Elf:3    | Noticed a deep elf blademaster
 30175 | Elf:3    | Killed a deep elf blademaster
 30180 | Elf:3    | Noticed a deep elf master archer
 30182 | Elf:3    | Killed a deep elf master archer
 30182 | Elf:3    | Reached XP level 17. HP: 94/94 MP: 33/37
 30182 | Elf:3    | Offered knowledge of Poison Arrow by Vehumet.
 30196 | Elf:3    | Identified the +2 great sword "Hituretz" {freeze, rC+ rN+++
                  | Str+2 Stlth+}
 30316 | Elf:3    | Identified the ring of Xom's Absentmindedness {rPois rN++
                  | Int-3 SInv Stlth-}
 30390 | Elf:3    | Noticed a deep elf master archer
 30395 | Elf:3    | Killed a deep elf master archer
 30487 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 30497 | Elf:3    | Noticed a deep elf blademaster
 30502 | Elf:3    | Killed a deep elf blademaster
 30986 | Elf:3    | Found the brooch of Shielding {Reflect SH+8}
 30998 | Elf:3    | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
 31143 | Elf:3    | Found Hiagalle's Gadget Boutique.
 31143 | Elf:3    | Found Nein's Jewellery Emporium.
 31144 | Elf:3    | Found Eqeonif's Jewellery Emporium.
 31313 | Elf:3    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 31314 | Elf:3    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 31314 | Elf:3    | Found a runed translucent gate.
 31318 | Elf:3    | Noticed heteroy's ghost (adept GrFi)
 31633 | Elf:3    | Bought the ring "Voesacs" {rF+ MR+ AC+2 Str+3 Int+4} for
                  | 886 gold pieces
 31991 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 32593 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Louise
 32619 | Swamp:1  | Killed Louise
 33219 | Swamp:2  | Offered knowledge of Spellforged Servitor by Vehumet.
 33262 | Swamp:2  | Learned a level 7 spell: Spellforged Servitor
 33842 | Swamp:3  | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
 33853 | Swamp:3  | Reached skill level 15 in Earth Magic
 33891 | Swamp:3  | Found a frozen archway.
 33918 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 34251 | IceCv    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 101/101 MP: 38/39
 34508 | Swamp:3  | Offered knowledge of Lehudib's Crystal Spear by Vehumet.
 34508 | Swamp:3  | Offered knowledge of Glaciate by Vehumet.
 34508 | Swamp:3  | Offered knowledge of Chain Lightning by Vehumet.
 35216 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 35920 | Swamp:4  | Reached skill level 10 in Air Magic
 36505 | Swamp:4  | Noticed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra
 36508 | Swamp:4  | Killed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra
 36512 | Swamp:4  | Reached skill level 16 in Spellcasting
 36699 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 36878 | Lair:3   | Learned a level 6 spell: Statue Form
 36882 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 37473 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations
 37538 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings
 37908 | Spider:2 | Identified Roxanne's Catalogue of Shape Shifting
 37908 | Spider:2 | Noticed Roxanne
 37916 | Spider:2 | Killed Roxanne
 38033 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 106/106 MP: 41/41
 38274 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Conjurations
 38833 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 39467 | Spider:4 | Noticed Donald
 39473 | Spider:4 | Killed Donald
 39645 | Spider:4 | Noticed Arachne
 39652 | Spider:4 | Killed Arachne
 40133 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 40511 | Elf:1    | Bought a runed robe for 99 gold pieces
 40533 | Elf:1    | Bought an embroidered robe for 99 gold pieces
 40555 | Elf:1    | Bought a pair of glowing gloves for 202 gold pieces
 40588 | Elf:1    | Bought a pair of glowing boots for 285 gold pieces
 40703 | Orc:2    | Bought a warped leather armour for 217 gold pieces
 40713 | Orc:2    | Identified the +1 leather armour of Lies {rElec MR+} (You
                  | bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 40934 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 40944 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 41214 | Vaults:1 | Noticed Nikola
 41218 | Vaults:1 | Cast into level 3 of the Abyss (a deep elf sorcerer)
 41313 | Abyss:3  | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
 41484 | Vaults:1 | Escaped the Abyss
 41687 | Vaults:1 | Noticed a Brimstone Fiend
 41827 | Vaults:1 | Killed Nikola
 41886 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 112/112 MP: 15/42
 42151 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Spellcasting

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Stealth        |        3        4                                      5    |  5.1
Fighting       |        1           2           3  4     5  6     7     8    |  8.1
Conjurations   |        1     2  3  5  7  8  9 10    11 12 13    14    15    | 15.6
Earth Magic    |        4        5  7  8  9 10    11 12    13 14 15    16    | 16.2
Spellcasting   |              4     5  7  8     9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16    17 | 17.0
Shields        |                       3  4  5                               |  5.0
Evocations     |                          1  2           4  5  6  7          |  7.0
Charms         |                          1  4  7  8 10 11    12 13    14    | 14.1
Air Magic      |                             3  4  5  7     8  9    10       | 10.7
Fire Magic     |                             2  4  6  7  8  9 11 12    13    | 13.5
Necromancy     |                             1  3  4  5  6        7  8  9    |  9.2
Armour         |                                2     3  4  5     6     7    |  7.0
Dodging        |                                3  4  5                      |  5.3
Poison Magic   |                                1  2  3                      |  3.3
Translocations |                                         2  4  5  6          |  6.2
Transmutations |                                                  2  5  7    |  7.3
Summonings     |                                                  1  5  6  7 |  7.0

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |    16 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||    16
       Club              |    11 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||    11
       Dagger            |       |     3 |     2 |       |       |       |    16 ||    21
       Staff             |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       ||     2
 Fire: Hunting sling     |       |       |       |       |     6 |       |       ||     6
Throw: Tomahawk          |       |     8 |    18 |       |    18 |       |       ||    44
       Stone             |       |     1 |     6 |     7 |    15 |       |       ||    29
       Javelin           |       |       |       |    60 |       |       |       ||    60
       Throwing net      |       |       |       |     4 |     2 |       |       ||     6
 Cast: Sandblast         |    31 |    13 |    60 |   125 |   144 |    68 |    58 ||   499
       Stone Arrow       |     7 |    56 |    73 |   133 |   349 |   148 |    81 ||   847
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |    17 |    58 |   197 |   193 |   113 ||   578
       Regeneration      |       |       |       |    17 |    22 |       |       ||    39
       Deflect Missiles  |       |       |       |     1 |     3 |     1 |       ||     5
       Fireball          |       |       |       |    17 |    63 |   130 |    34 ||   244
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |       |       |     6 |    43 |    12 |       ||    61
       Shroud of Golubri |       |       |       |       |    26 |    49 |    14 ||    89
       Bolt of Magma     |       |       |       |       |    10 |    26 |    16 ||    52
       Iron Shot         |       |       |       |       |    19 |   184 |    32 ||   235
       Animate Skeleton  |       |       |       |       |       |    44 |    34 ||    78
       Statue Form       |       |       |       |       |       |    13 |    36 ||    49
       Spellforged Servi |       |       |       |       |       |    11 |    39 ||    50
       Passwall          |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
 Abil: Evoke Blink       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Sack of spiders   |       |       |       |     4 |     3 |       |       ||     7
       Wand              |       |       |       |       |    10 |     2 |    10 ||    22
       Fan of gales      |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Phial of floods   |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     3 |     7 |     8 |    13 |    13 |    18 |     8 ||    70
       Potion            |       |       |       |       |     4 |     6 |     4 ||    14
 Stab: Sleeping          |     1 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     2 |    11 |    16 |    37 |    43 |    36 |    13 ||   158
       Ration            |       |       |       |     1 |     5 |     5 |     3 ||    14
Armor: Robe              |     5 |     3 |     2 |     2 |       |       |     2 ||    14
       Troll leather arm |       |       |       |       |    35 |    26 |     2 ||    63
       Skin              |       |       |       |       |       |    92 |   228 ||   320
Dodge: Dodged            |    28 |     6 |     6 |    15 |   101 |   162 |   190 ||   508
       Deflected         |       |       |       |     4 |    23 |    16 |    16 ||    59
Block: Buckler           |       |       |       |     5 |    36 |    81 |    87 ||   209

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Post Wednesday, 2nd October 2019, 18:31

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

Odds are pretty low, but non-zero. Item generation is random, so even if there's pretty good odds of generating several scrolls (There's an average of around 14 per 3 rune game) there's always outliers. You're just on the tail end of a bell curve distribution.
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Post Wednesday, 2nd October 2019, 19:25

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

onomastikon wrote:I have found a grand fornicating total of ONE scroll of amnesia, which I used to forget Sandblast.

You blew a scroll of amnesia to get just one spell slot. This was probably a mistake, unless you really needed one spell slot at the time and didn't have any bigger useless spells.

The proper time to use scrolls of amnesia is when you actually need more spell slots (as in, wanting to memorize something castable now, but cannot due to lack of spell slots). At that point you have the maximum amount of information about which spells are forgettable and how many spell slots you need.

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Post Wednesday, 2nd October 2019, 22:23

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

You have great spells memorized: LRD, Fireball, Iron Shot. Use those.

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 16:42

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

stormdragon wrote:
onomastikon wrote:I have found a grand fornicating total of ONE scroll of amnesia, which I used to forget Sandblast.

You blew a scroll of amnesia to get just one spell slot. This was probably a mistake, unless you really needed one spell slot at the time and didn't have any bigger useless spells.

The proper time to use scrolls of amnesia is when you actually need more spell slots (as in, wanting to memorize something castable now, but cannot due to lack of spell slots). At that point you have the maximum amount of information about which spells are forgettable and how many spell slots you need.


I'm sure you're right. At the time, however, I had gotten spellforged servitor as a gift from vehumet without any other real alternatives (hadn't found many of those books yet) and didn't want to have it casting crap. It was an unidentified scroll and I chose not to waste it entirely, there wasn't really any thing else I wanted gone more.

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 16:55

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

It's not too bad. Most of the spells you have are useful.
It was probably a bad decision to memorise Shroud of Golubria and Bolt of Magma if you didn't have any identified scrolls of Amnesia at that point in the game. (3 level 5 attack spells is a bit of an overkill.)
You could reasonably invest in shields & staves & fighting & dodging & evocations whilst waiting for some amnesia to show up.
Even if you drop Vehm now, you have Shatter, Tornado, Ignition in your library. Those are probably enough.

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 17:41

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

petercordia wrote:It's not too bad. Most of the spells you have are useful.
It was probably a bad decision to memorise Shroud of Golubria and Bolt of Magma if you didn't have any identified scrolls of Amnesia at that point in the game. (3 level 5 attack spells is a bit of an overkill.)
You could reasonably invest in shields & staves & fighting & dodging & evocations whilst waiting for some amnesia to show up.
Even if you drop Vehm now, you have Shatter, Tornado, Ignition in your library. Those are probably enough.


That's probably true too. I did Bolt of Magma because it was an offer from Vehm and I didn't have any fire access yet, and I wanted it. I guess I should have been more patient. Shroud was probably stupid, I learned it for the access to charms really, and I had already died about 714 times as a DE, this is the spell I cast before going down new stairs or opening doors now. But yes, a mistake. I always find buckets of Amnesia when playing as a berserker....

Regarding leaving Vehm, I have never really done that. Until now, I have found his wizardry bonus for conjurations useful, as well as his extend-a-range, and the mana on kill is nice too. What would you drop him for?

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 17:55

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

I thought you wanted to drop Vehm for Sif. I wouldn't recommend it TBH.

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 18:12

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

petercordia wrote:I thought you wanted to drop Vehm for Sif. I wouldn't recommend it TBH.


I suppose that was a bit like "why didn't I choose Sif at first?" rather than "let's switch now".

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 18:45

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

onomastikon wrote:I'm sure you're right. At the time, however, I had gotten spellforged servitor as a gift from vehumet without any other real alternatives (hadn't found many of those books yet) and didn't want to have it casting crap. It was an unidentified scroll and I chose not to waste it entirely, there wasn't really any thing else I wanted gone more.

I forgot about spellforged servitor. What you did makes a lot more sense now.

Like others have said, your spell set is pretty good as is. When you do get more spell levels, you'll want to choose your next spell carefully. You probably want Shatter.

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 19:01

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

Thanks.
I'm actually considering, should I find another amnesia, of dropping the servitor, since that doesn't work well with shatter, and actually trying ignition first, which I can now cast very reliably and shatter not quite yet so. Should I get lucky with scrolls then that would also let me drop fireball for a total of 12. I've always been a big fan of vile clutch for only 5 points instead. What do you think of that (first lose servitor before shatter) path?
Also, I've never played an air mage before, and I see the wiki on air spells is mostly out of date. Not sure how I understand Tornado: is it sort of like a multi-turn airstrike around my own person?

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 20:17

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

Shatter is a powerful spell, but it is really loud and certain enemies are resistant to it, so I wouldn't plan on using it all the time. I'd probably amnesia a relatively-low-damage spell; probably bolt of magma. Maybe Fireball or LRD, but, in some situations they can be used to damage enemies out of LOS.

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 20:43

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

Shatter + servitor are okay, you probably won't have one out while using the other often.

Given that you can make a case for getting rid of stone arrow rather than bolt of magma, since the servitor firing bolts of magma should hit a bit harder than stone arrows. Though if this is the difference in being able to use shatter, get the spell levels.

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Post Thursday, 3rd October 2019, 23:37

Re: CIP DEEE^Veh: What are the chances?

onomastikon wrote:Thanks.
Not sure how I understand Tornado: is it sort of like a multi-turn airstrike around my own person?


It is an unholy blend of flight, enemy blink, and iron shot in my experience. With high power, it shreds Orbs and most Panlords in 3 turns. If you're feeling lazy, you can also cross narrow strips of water or lava with it.
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