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Crypt Cleanser

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Post Friday, 26th July 2019, 13:02

CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

Hey guys,

Am i right now to start putting skill into some defense?

Should I be using the spriggans knife or speed dagger for stabs? Otherwise I normally use the staff of conjuration.

Any advice welcome! Thanks!

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.24-a0-520-g8fd06ad0bc (webtiles) character file.

delarado the Geomancer (DDEE)                      Turns: 12225, Time: 00:53:55

Health: 35/81      AC: 11    Str: 12    XL:     10   Next: 53%
Magic:  14/14      EV: 12    Int: 23    God:    Makhleb [*.....]
Gold:   170        SH:  0    Dex: 13    Spells: 0/14 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   q - +1 dagger (speed)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (no shield)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   p - +0 swamp dragon scales
rPois    +         Spirit   .   (no helmet)
rElec    .         Reflect  .   H - +1 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   o - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  (no boots)
Stlth    +.........             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.00/turn              h - +4 ring of intelligence
MPRegen  0.14/turn              G - ring of wizardry

@: non-regenerating
A: damage resistance, heal wounds, sense surroundings 2, no regeneration
a: Heal Wounds, Renounce Religion


You are on level 8 of the Dungeon.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is aware of your devotion.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 9 of its levels.

You have collected 342 gold pieces.
You have spent 172 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 b - the +7 Spriggan's Knife {stab, EV+4 Stlth+}
   (You took it off a centaur on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It makes you more stealthy.
 j - a +0 dagger
 q - a +1 dagger of speed (weapon)
Missiles
 g - 113 sling bullets
 r - 5 boomerangs (quivered)
 B - 38 stones
 D - 39 poisoned darts
Armour
 e - a shimmering chain mail
 o - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 p - +0 swamp dragon scales (worn)
 H - a +1 cloak (worn)
 J - an ancient chain mail
Magical Staves
 C - an uncursed staff of conjuration
Jewellery
 h - a +4 ring of intelligence (left hand)
 y - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
 A - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 G - a ring of wizardry (right hand)
Wands
 x - a wand of disintegration (18)
 F - a wand of acid (1)
Scrolls
 f - a scroll of fog
 k - 4 scrolls of amnesia
 l - 3 scrolls of fear
 m - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 t - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 u - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 z - 2 scrolls of blinking
 E - a scroll of immolation
 I - a scroll labeled UCWOBA MIRO
Potions
 a - 2 potions of brilliance
 c - a sedimented silvery potion
 i - 3 potions of curing
 n - a potion of might
 s - a potion of magic
 w - a potion of lignification
Comestibles
 d - 19 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 2.3 Fighting
 + Level 4.6 Armour
 + Level 3.9 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 2.7 Spellcasting
 - Level 6.4 Conjurations
 - Level 1.2 Summonings
 - Level 1.7 Transmutations
 + Level 13.9 Earth Magic
 + Level 7.7 Invocations


You cannot memorise any spells.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Sandblast             Erth           ######       1%          1    None
b - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       1%          3    ###....
c - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ######....   1%          5    ######.
d - Petrify               Tmut/Erth      #####...     4%          4    ####...
e - Summon Butterflies    Summ           #.......     6%          1    None

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Passwall                 Tmut/Erth      #####...     1%          2    ##.....
 Apportation              Tloc           #.....       11%         1    None
 Lesser Beckoning         Tloc           #.........   28%         3    ###....
 Tukima's Dance           Hex            #.......     28%         3    ###....
 Alistair's Intoxication  Tmut/Pois      #.......     86%         5    ######.
 Invisibility             Hex            #.......     100%        6    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (8/15)             Temple (1/1) D:4         
  Lair: D:8-11     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:6 ?


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to damage.
You can heal yourself by infusing magical energy.
You passively map the area around you.
You do not regenerate.


Message History

Aiming: Corrosive Bolt
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - two-headed ogre
Aim: a two-headed ogre, wielding two +0 giant spiked clubs (almost dead,
petrified, covered in acid)
The bolt of acid hits the two-headed ogre!
The two-headed ogre is splashed with acid.
The two-headed ogre seems to be corroded for longer.
The two-headed ogre is almost dead.
The two-headed ogre is no longer petrified.
Casting: Stone Arrow (safe; 1% risk of failure)
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Stone Arrow (safe; 1% risk of failure)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - two-headed ogre
Aim: a two-headed ogre, wielding two +0 giant spiked clubs (almost dead,
covered in acid)
The stone arrow hits the two-headed ogre!
You kill the two-headed ogre!
Makhleb accepts your kill.
Your Fighting skill increases to level 2!
You start resting.
Magic restored.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  2 two-headed ogres
  Pikel (D:8)
  Maurice (D:8)
  A hippogriff (D:7)
  A spriggan (D:7)
  Grum (D:8)
  A water moccasin (D:5)
  2 orc warriors (D:7)
  An ice beast (D:6)
  2 slaves (D:8)
  2 black bears (D:6)
  2 sky beasts
  3 phantoms (D:6)
  2 ogres
  6 centaurs
  3 wolves (D:8)
  4 bullfrogs
  A wyvern zombie (D:7)
  A water moccasin zombie (D:7)
  3 scorpions
  3 killer bees (D:8)
  2 crimson imps (D:5)
  A jelly (D:5)
  6 orc priests
  2 hounds
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:4)
  3 centaur skeletons
  3 orc wizards
  An iguana (D:5)
  5 worker ants
  A howler monkey zombie (D:8)
  12 adders
  A shadow imp (D:5)
  An ooze (D:4)
  2 adder zombies
  3 adder skeletons (D:6)
  4 worms
  2 dart slugs
  4 leopard geckos
  20 orcs
  4 bats
  6 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  15 jackals
  5 quokkas
  2 ball pythons
  2 frilled lizards
  4 kobolds
  A quokka skeleton (D:4)
  10 rats
181 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A plant (D:6)
1 creature vanquished.

Grand Total: 182 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | delarado the Deep Dwarf Earth Elementalist began the quest
                  | for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 15/15 MP: 3/3
   295 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 3/5
   626 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
   957 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/28 MP: 6/6
   963 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1406 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  1616 | D:2      | You fall into a shaft and drop 2 floors!
  1617 | D:4      | Noticed a scorpion
  1725 | D:4      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/36 MP: 0/7
  1728 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  1734 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  2118 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 17/42 MP: 1/8
  2163 | D:4      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  4565 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  4868 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4870 | D:5      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 47/49 MP: 1/8
  5050 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  5433 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  5499 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 15/55 MP: 0/9
  6554 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic
  6702 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic
  6702 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 37/62 MP: 0/10
  7122 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic
  7306 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7543 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic
  7601 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
  7655 | D:6      | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  7877 | D:6      | Reached skill level 11 in Earth Magic
  8110 | D:6      | Gained mutation: You passively map the area around you.
                  | [Deep Dwarf growth]
  8110 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 44/68 MP: 7/11
  8161 | D:6      | Found Epekh's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  8181 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  8181 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  8181 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of blinking for 112 gold pieces
  8343 | D:7      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8351 | D:7      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  8367 | D:7      | Reached skill level 12 in Earth Magic
  8504 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  8554 | D:7      | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify
  8564 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
  8888 | D:7      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  8927 | D:7      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  8927 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  9050 | D:7      | Reached skill level 13 in Earth Magic
 10110 | D:8      | Noticed Grum
 10344 | D:8      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 10431 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10489 | D:8      | Got a shimmering chain mail
 10553 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 47/75 MP: 6/14
 10772 | D:8      | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
 10776 | D:8      | Noticed Maurice
 10804 | D:8      | Killed Maurice
 10804 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 10811 | D:8      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
 10968 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
 11379 | D:8      | Killed Grum
 11550 | D:8      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 11550 | D:8      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 11581 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
 11582 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
 11675 | D:8      | Got an ancient chain mail
 12054 | D:8      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 12128 | D:8      | Killed a two-headed ogre

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 |
---------------+-------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |  2                            |  2.7
Earth Magic    |     5              7 11 13    | 13.9
Conjurations   |        2  3  4  5  6          |  6.4
Armour         |              1  2  3        4 |  4.6
Invocations    |                          6  7 |  7.7
Transmutations |                          1    |  1.7
Fighting       |                             2 |  2.3
Summonings     |                             1 |  1.2
Dodging        |                             3 |  3.9
Stealth        |                               |  2.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |    75 |    11 |       |    37 ||   123
       Short sword       |       |     4 |       |       ||     4
       Staff             |       |     8 |     4 |       ||    12
Throw: Stone             |    26 |     2 |       |       ||    28
       Boomerang         |       |    23 |    47 |     9 ||    79
 Cast: Sandblast         |    31 |    31 |    63 |    20 ||   145
       Stone Arrow       |     3 |    36 |    79 |     9 ||   127
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |     4 |     6 ||    10
       Petrify           |       |       |     2 |     5 ||     7
 Abil: Heal Wounds       |     1 |     1 |     3 |     2 ||     7
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |     6 ||     8
  Use: Scroll            |     6 |     1 |     6 |     1 ||    14
       Potion            |       |     2 |     2 |       ||     4
 Stab: Petrified         |       |       |       |    34 ||    34
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |    12 |    13 |     2 ||    30
       Ration            |       |     1 |     4 |     2 ||     7
Armor: Robe              |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Leather armour    |    14 |     8 |       |       ||    22
       Swamp dragon scal |       |       |    17 |     7 ||    24
Dodge: Dodged            |    53 |    27 |    28 |    10 ||   118

Table legend:
 A = Non-vault XP
 B = Vault XP
 C = Vault XP percentage of total XP
 D = Non-vault monster count
 E = Vault monster count
 F = Vault count percentage of total count

                 A         B        C        D         E        F   
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------
      Total |    6337 |    2127 |  25.1 |     165 |      14 |   7.8
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------
        D:1 |      41 |       0 |   0.0 |      22 |       0 |   0.0
        D:2 |      64 |       0 |   0.0 |      19 |       0 |   0.0
        D:3 |      45 |       0 |   0.0 |      14 |       0 |   0.0
        D:4 |     189 |       0 |   0.0 |      13 |       0 |   0.0
        D:5 |     895 |      50 |   5.3 |      23 |       1 |   4.2
        D:6 |    1267 |     270 |  17.6 |      26 |       6 |  18.8
        D:7 |    2168 |     234 |   9.7 |      24 |       1 |   4.0
        D:8 |    1655 |    1573 |  48.7 |      23 |       6 |  20.7
     Temple |      13 |       0 |   0.0 |       1 |       0 |   0.0
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------

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Post Friday, 26th July 2019, 13:38

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

Use Spriggan's knife for stabs, it's actually a dagger-type weapon.

I'd definitely learn Passwall, as you get a free stab-turn. If you plan staying in medium armour, I'd also train some Stealth for more stabs and better ones.
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Post Friday, 26th July 2019, 13:39

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

Speed dagger has a 50% faster attack speed, so over repeated stab attempts, you would get 50% more stab damage than a normal dagger.

Spriggan knife treats all stabs as high-tier stabs, which are the more powerful stabs you get on sleeping, paralyzed, or petrified enemies. The stabbing damage for high-tier stabs is 4x higher than for low-tier stabs (low-tier stabs are all other stabs: distracted, unseeing, netted, petrifying, etc.), so this is effectively 300% more stab damage than a normal dagger for low-tier stabs. Much better than the speed dagger (for low-tier stabs).

For high-tier stabs, I guess the speed dagger is technically better, but you're generally one-or-two shotting those enemies anyway, so I wouldn't bother with it; I'd just use the spriggan knife.

Your offense is great, with with LRD at 1% fail, so yes this is a good time to train defenses. With swamp dragon scales, cloak, and gloves, your base AC is 9. Each level of armour skill increases your AC by base/22 = 9/22, so you get one AC per 22/9 = 2.44 levels of armour skill. That's pretty cheap for you right now, so I would say it's definitely worth skilling up 1 point of AC for sure, maybe more. Some Fighting for HP and Dodging for EV would also be cheap and helpful.

Also, you want to train some spellcasting. In spell success and spell power calculations, 4 levels of spellcasting are equivalent to 1 level in EVERY other spell skill. Right now 4 levels of spellcasting is cheaper for you than 1 level of earth magic, so you really should have trained it instead of the most recent level of earth. I don't mean to be discouraging, just letting you know :)

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Post Friday, 26th July 2019, 13:43

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

You should have trained more spellcasting, less earth
(the cost of an extra point of spellcasting should probably be about half as much as the cost of an extra point or Earth magic)
But yes, seeing LRD is at 1% fail and ###### power, it's good to invest more in defences.

I think the spriggans knife is almost always better than the dagger of speed. Stealth+ is good for sleepstabs, +7 is good for non-stabs, and it's ability to sleep-stab non-sleepers is good for non-sleep stabs. Also, +4EV.

You've already lost 1.75 permanent mp. A bit sloppy? Some things you can do to maintain your maxmp at the start of a DDEE game:
1- using all my enchant armour scrolls
2- avoiding dangerous monsters
3- Passwall stabbing dangerous monsters
4- train a bunch of stealth to help with 2&3
5- train more fighting for ++maxhp
6- use a vampiric weapon, if possible - it's ok to spend a bit of food to safe maxmp
7- kite like a maniac, until you get a renewable way to regain hp
8- get a shield, if possible
9- play mutation roulette

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Post Friday, 26th July 2019, 16:19

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

There no longer a food cost for wielding vampiric weapons in trunk! Huzzah!

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Post Friday, 26th July 2019, 18:06

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

how do passwall stabs work then?

This isn't really a stabby character, but for hard enemies I tend to petrify, stone arrow as they approacch and then stab when they sleep.

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Post Friday, 26th July 2019, 18:36

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

delarado wrote:how do passwall stabs work then?

You see an enemy sleeping next to a wall. Step out of LOS, stay out of LOS as you walk to the opposite side of the wall, passwall through the wall so that you end up adjacent to the sleeping enemy, and stab it.

You can one-shot a lot of enemies this way, but if you don't kill it with the stab, you are then adjacent to the awake enemy, which is often not a good thing. Since you haven't trained much stealth and short blades, you probably won't be able to kill things with one stab. So I don't recommend this tactic unless you train up the skills to beef up your stab damage.

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Post Saturday, 27th July 2019, 11:01

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

Let me just add that putting an exclusion on an enemy is super helpful for passwall stabbing, so that you don't accidentally walk into LOS. (It's also helpful for avoiding enemies if you're not going to passwall stab them.)

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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 15:49

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

So, stabbing is amazing with better stealth skill - even with 0 weapon skill. So much so its infinitely better to kite, lure, petrify and stab.

I found a nice whip (The curare one), but I don't use it that much as petrify stabbing really is better than any other way I've found so far to kill stuff. It outperforms anything else in my killing arsenal by a long shot - Except on things with high MR.

I'm not quite sure on the best way to develop my character past this though, as I'm sure as I go on, its going to only get harder and harder to petrify things - and then I'm going to be stuck. I just ran into Kirke, and even after reading a scroll of Vulnerability, 5 consecutive petrify attempts failed at 45% or so chance (Which has happened so much that I Simply don't bother trying to petrify anything with less than 60% chance any more, I really wish this game was pseudorandom)

I've really found LRD underwhelming, even with 1% failure rate and overtrained earth skill. Perhaps thats because I'm used to the offensive power of DEFE of Vehumet? I don't know. But sometimes with unlucky rolls I can't even kill a single elephant before I run out of mana, and have to reset the fight and try again.

Whats next for me here? I have a few options, but none which seem hugely compelling to switch on to in order to continue.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.24-a0-521-g122614bf49 (webtiles) character file.

delarado the Geomancer (DDEE)                      Turns: 27924, Time: 02:30:22

Health: 88/117     AC: 16    Str: 14    XL:     13   Next: 64%
Magic:  22/22      EV: 19    Int: 23    God:    Makhleb [*****.]
Gold:   617        SH:  0    Dex: 13    Spells: 10/26 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   b - +7 Spriggan's Knife {stab, EV+4 Stlth+}
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (no shield)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   p - +0 swamp dragon scales
rPois    +         Spirit   .   (no helmet)
rElec    .         Reflect  .   H - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   o - +2 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  (no boots)
Stlth    +++++.....             y - amulet of regeneration
HPRegen  0.00/turn              h - +4 ring of intelligence
MPRegen  0.18/turn              A - ring of wizardry

@: non-regenerating
A: damage resistance, heal wounds, sense surroundings 2, no regeneration
a: Heal Wounds, Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction,
Greater Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You are on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels.

You have collected 789 gold pieces.
You have spent 172 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 b - the +7 Spriggan's Knife (weapon) {stab, EV+4 Stlth+}
   (You took it off a centaur on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It makes you more stealthy.
 v - a +2 vampiric spear
 M - the +9 spear of Jiphepir {elec, *Contam rF+ rC+ Dex+4}
   (You took it off a gnoll on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   Occasionally, upon striking a foe, it will discharge some electrical energy
   and cause terrible harm.
   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It causes magical contamination when unequipped.
 W - the +8 whip "Snakebite" {curare, rPois}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It poisons the flesh of those it strikes.
   
   It protects you from poison.
Missiles
 r - 3 boomerangs (quivered)
 B - 370 stones
Armour
 e - the +0 chain mail of Tynauqiro {+Blink rC+ SInv}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you blink.
 o - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 p - +0 swamp dragon scales (worn)
 H - a +2 cloak (worn)
Magical Staves
 C - an uncursed staff of conjuration
 S - an uncursed staff of earth
Jewellery
 g - a ring of protection from fire
 h - a +4 ring of intelligence (left hand)
 y - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 A - a ring of wizardry (right hand)
 G - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 O - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 Q - a ring of protection from fire
Wands
 u - a wand of random effects (22)
 x - a wand of disintegration (16)
 P - a wand of digging (6)
 Z - a wand of enslavement (7)
Scrolls
 f - 2 scrolls of fog
 j - 3 scrolls of identify
 k - 4 scrolls of amnesia
 l - 3 scrolls of fear
 m - 12 scrolls of remove curse
 q - a scroll of acquirement
 t - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 z - a scroll of blinking
 E - a scroll of immolation
 F - 2 scrolls labeled AGOTZI JANLAGI
 T - 3 scrolls labeled PESYNU GID JARUA
 U - a scroll of enchant armour
Potions
 a - 3 potions of brilliance
 c - 2 sedimented silvery potions
 i - 9 potions of curing
 n - 2 potions of might
 s - 2 potions of magic
 w - a potion of lignification
 K - a purple potion
 L - a potion of cancellation
 R - a silvery potion
 V - 2 potions of heal wounds
 X - a potion of mutation
 Y - a potion of flight
Miscellaneous
 N - a lightning rod (4/4)
Comestibles
 d - 17 rations


   Skills:
 - Level 7.9 Fighting
 - Level 9.3 Armour
 - Level 9.0 Dodging
 - Level 10.6 Stealth
 - Level 7.2 Spellcasting
 - Level 6.4 Conjurations
 - Level 2.6 Summonings
 - Level 1.7 Transmutations
 - Level 14.0 Earth Magic
 + Level 9.8 Invocations


You have 10 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Sandblast             Erth           ######       1%          1    None
b - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       1%          3    None
c - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ######....   1%          5    #####..
d - Petrify               Tmut/Erth      #####...     2%          4    ###....
e - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ###.....     1%          1    None
f - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #####...     1%          2    None

Your spell library contains the following spells:

 Spells                   Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
 Magic Dart               Conj           ####         1%          1    None
 Shock                    Conj/Air       ###.         1%          1    None
 Call Imp                 Summ           ###.....     2%          2    None
 Conjure Flame            Conj/Fire      ###.....     4%          3    None
 Static Discharge         Conj/Air       ###.....     4%          3    None
 Apportation              Tloc           #.....       6%          1    None
 Mephitic Cloud           Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     7%          3    None
 Blink                    Tloc           N/A          9%          2    None
 Slow                     Hex            #.......     9%          2    None
 Swiftness                Chrm/Air       #.......     9%          2    None
 Lesser Beckoning         Tloc           #.........   16%         3    None
 Tukima's Dance           Hex            #.......     16%         3    None
 Lightning Bolt           Conj/Air       ###.......   36%         5    #####..
 Airstrike                Air            #.........   45%         4    ###....
 Passage of Golubria      Tloc           N/A          45%         4    ###....
 Alistair's Intoxication  Tmut/Pois      ##......     67%         5    #####..
 Darkness                 Hex            #.........   100%        6    ######.
 Invisibility             Hex            #.......     100%        6    ######.


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (5/6) D:11
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4        Snake (0/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
   Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:6 ?

Annotations:
Lair:5 Kirke


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to damage.
You can heal yourself by infusing magical energy.
You passively map the area around you.
You do not regenerate.


Message History

You start removing your armour.
You continue taking off the +0 chain mail of Tynauqiro {+Blink rC+ SInv}. x4
You finish taking off the +0 chain mail of Tynauqiro {+Blink rC+ SInv}.
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on your ancient chain mail. x5
You finish putting on the cursed +0 chain mail of Duck's Teeth {+Fly Int-4
Stlth+}.
Oops, that feels deathly cold.
As you read the scroll of remove curse, it crumbles to dust.
You feel as if something is helping you.
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You start removing your armour.
You continue taking off the +0 chain mail of Duck's Teeth {+Fly Int-4 Stlth+}.
x4
You finish taking off the +0 chain mail of Duck's Teeth {+Fly Int-4 Stlth+}.
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on your +0 swamp dragon scales. x5
You finish putting on your +0 swamp dragon scales.
Drop what? 50/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop the +0 chain mail of Duck's Teeth {+Fly Int-4 Stlth+}.
Char dumped successfully.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  5 hydras
  A tengu warrior (D:9)
  4 two-headed ogres
  Pikel (D:8)
  A wolf spider zombie (D:11)
  3 ugly things
  A centaur zombie (D:10)
  Maurice (D:8)
  10 elephants
  2 black mambas
  A torpor snail (Lair:4)
  9 spiny frogs
  An eye of devastation (Lair:5)
  A rime drake (Lair:2)
  4 komodo dragons
  A tengu conjurer (D:10)
  A troll (D:9)
  A hornet (D:10)
  4 dream sheep
  9 blink frogs
  5 hippogriffs
  A spriggan (D:7)
  2 shadows
  41 yaks
  A wyvern (D:11)
  4 basilisks
  A hog (Lair:5)
  Grum (D:8)
  A hungry ghost (D:11)
  4 porcupines
  13 water moccasins
  3 orc warriors
  3 ice beasts
  2 slaves (D:8)
  3 black bears
  A necrophage (D:11)
  2 sky beasts
  4 phantoms
  2 eyes of draining
  7 ogres
  7 centaurs
  3 wolves (D:8)
  17 crocodiles
  14 bullfrogs
  A big kobold (D:9)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:10)
  A wyvern zombie (D:7)
  A water moccasin zombie (D:7)
  3 scorpions
  3 killer bees (D:8)
  6 wights
  An electric eel (Lair:4)
  3 crimson imps
  A jelly (D:5)
  9 orc priests
  6 hounds
  2 bullfrog skeletons
  4 centaur skeletons
  9 orc wizards
  3 iguanas
  10 worker ants
  A killer bee zombie (D:10)
  A howler monkey zombie (D:8)
  8 gnolls
  24 adders
  2 shadow imps
  An ooze (D:4)
  2 adder zombies
  3 adder skeletons (D:6)
  4 worms
  2 dart slugs
  5 leopard geckos
  29 orcs
  4 bats
  6 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  15 jackals
  5 quokkas
  2 ball pythons
  2 frilled lizards
  10 kobolds
  A quokka skeleton (D:4)
  10 rats
  A butterfly (Lair:5)
  A fungus (Lair:3)
421 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A hog (Lair:5)
  22 fungi
  6 plants
29 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 450 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | delarado the Deep Dwarf Earth Elementalist began the quest
                  | for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 15/15 MP: 3/3
   295 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 3/5
   626 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
   957 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/28 MP: 6/6
   963 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1406 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  1616 | D:2      | You fall into a shaft and drop 2 floors!
  1617 | D:4      | Noticed a scorpion
  1725 | D:4      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/36 MP: 0/7
  1728 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  1734 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  2118 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 17/42 MP: 1/8
  2163 | D:4      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  4565 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  4868 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4870 | D:5      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 47/49 MP: 1/8
  5050 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  5433 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  5499 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 15/55 MP: 0/9
  6554 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic
  6702 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic
  6702 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 37/62 MP: 0/10
  7122 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic
  7306 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7543 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic
  7601 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
  7655 | D:6      | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  7877 | D:6      | Reached skill level 11 in Earth Magic
  8110 | D:6      | Gained mutation: You passively map the area around you.
                  | [Deep Dwarf growth]
  8110 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 44/68 MP: 7/11
  8161 | D:6      | Found Epekh's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  8181 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  8181 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  8181 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of blinking for 112 gold pieces
  8343 | D:7      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8351 | D:7      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  8367 | D:7      | Reached skill level 12 in Earth Magic
  8504 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  8554 | D:7      | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify
  8564 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
  8888 | D:7      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  8927 | D:7      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  8927 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  9050 | D:7      | Reached skill level 13 in Earth Magic
 10110 | D:8      | Noticed Grum
 10344 | D:8      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 10431 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 10489 | D:8      | Got a shimmering chain mail
 10553 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 47/75 MP: 6/14
 10772 | D:8      | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
 10776 | D:8      | Noticed Maurice
 10804 | D:8      | Killed Maurice
 10804 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 10811 | D:8      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
 10968 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
 11379 | D:8      | Killed Grum
 11550 | D:8      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 11550 | D:8      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 11581 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
 11582 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
 11675 | D:8      | Got an ancient chain mail
 12054 | D:8      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 12128 | D:8      | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12362 | D:8      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 12362 | D:8      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 12954 | D:9      | Reached skill level 14 in Earth Magic
 13058 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 13581 | D:9      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
 13866 | D:9      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
 13928 | D:9      | Identified the ring of the Fifty Nights {Ice Dex+2}
 13944 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 14107 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 87/87 MP: 6/15
 14197 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 14272 | D:10     | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
 14671 | D:10     | Noticed a tengu warrior
 14672 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 14830 | D:10     | Upgraded the game from 0.24-a0-520-g8fd06ad0bc to
                  | 0.24-a0-521-g122614bf49
 15681 | D:9      | Killed a tengu warrior
 16103 | D:10     | Identified the +9 spear of Jiphepir {elec, *Contam rF+ rC+
                  | Dex+4}
 16519 | D:10     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 16892 | D:11     | Noticed a purple ugly thing
 16893 | D:11     | Noticed a cyan ugly thing
 16955 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 16958 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 16958 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 17380 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 17572 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 17915 | D:11     | Killed a cyan ugly thing
 17924 | D:10     | Killed a purple ugly thing
 17960 | D:11     | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
 18191 | D:11     | Noticed a cyan ugly thing
 18213 | D:11     | Killed a cyan ugly thing
 18213 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 104/104 MP: 2/20
 18636 | D:11     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 18638 | D:11     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 19103 | D:11     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 19534 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 19534 | Lair:1   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 19537 | Lair:1   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 19683 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
 20482 | Lair:1   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 20486 | Lair:1   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 20486 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
 20896 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
 20923 | Lair:1   | Found the +8 whip "Snakebite" {curare, rPois}
 21076 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 21726 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 21743 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 22459 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 22978 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 108/114 MP: 15/22
 23399 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 23744 | Lair:3   | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb
 24549 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 26263 | Lair:4   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 27571 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 27588 | Lair:5   | Noticed Kirke
 27901 | Lair:4   | Identified the +0 chain mail of Tynauqiro {+Blink rC+ SInv}
                  | (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 27911 | Lair:4   | Identified the cursed +0 chain mail of Duck's Teeth {+Fly
                  | Int-4 Stlth+} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 |
---------------+----------------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |  2                          3  6  7    |  7.2
Earth Magic    |     5              7 11 13 14          | 14.0
Conjurations   |        2  3  4  5  6                   |  6.4
Armour         |              1  2  3        5     7  9 |  9.3
Invocations    |                          6  7        9 |  9.8
Transmutations |                          1             |  1.7
Fighting       |                             2  5  6  7 |  7.9
Summonings     |                             1     2    |  2.6
Dodging        |                             5     7  9 |  9.0
Stealth        |                             4  8 10    | 10.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |    75 |    11 |       |    37 |       ||   123
       Short sword       |       |     4 |       |       |       ||     4
       Staff             |       |     8 |     4 |     7 |       ||    19
       Spear             |       |       |       |   147 |       ||   147
       Knife             |       |       |       |   178 |   109 ||   287
       Whip              |       |       |       |       |    19 ||    19
Throw: Stone             |    26 |     2 |       |       |       ||    28
       Boomerang         |       |    23 |    47 |    60 |    11 ||   141
 Cast: Sandblast         |    31 |    31 |    63 |    50 |     3 ||   178
       Stone Arrow       |     3 |    36 |    79 |    68 |    10 ||   196
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |     4 |    87 |    51 ||   142
       Petrify           |       |       |     2 |   100 |    63 ||   165
       Summon Butterflie |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Passwall          |       |       |       |     2 |     3 ||     5
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Major Destruction |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
 Abil: Heal Wounds       |     1 |     1 |     3 |     3 |       ||     8
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |     9 |     3 ||    14
  Use: Scroll            |     6 |     1 |     6 |     9 |     4 ||    26
       Potion            |       |     2 |     2 |       |       ||     4
 Stab: Petrified         |       |       |       |    45 |       ||    45
       Sleeping          |       |       |       |   137 |    68 ||   205
       Petrifying        |       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |    12 |    13 |    46 |    24 ||    98
       Ration            |       |     1 |     4 |     9 |     3 ||    17
Armor: Robe              |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Leather armour    |    14 |     8 |       |       |       ||    22
       Swamp dragon scal |       |       |    17 |   199 |    52 ||   268
Dodge: Dodged            |    53 |    27 |    28 |   394 |   159 ||   661

Table legend:
 A = Non-vault XP
 B = Vault XP
 C = Vault XP percentage of total XP
 D = Non-vault monster count
 E = Vault monster count
 F = Vault count percentage of total count

                 A         B        C        D         E        F   
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------
      Total |   42322 |   12772 |  23.2 |     366 |      51 |  12.2
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------
        D:1 |      41 |       0 |   0.0 |      22 |       0 |   0.0
        D:2 |      64 |       0 |   0.0 |      19 |       0 |   0.0
        D:3 |      45 |       0 |   0.0 |      14 |       0 |   0.0
        D:4 |     189 |       0 |   0.0 |      13 |       0 |   0.0
        D:5 |     895 |      50 |   5.3 |      23 |       1 |   4.2
        D:6 |    1267 |     270 |  17.6 |      26 |       6 |  18.8
        D:7 |    2168 |     234 |   9.7 |      24 |       1 |   4.0
        D:8 |    1655 |    1573 |  48.7 |      23 |       6 |  20.7
        D:9 |    4583 |     105 |   2.2 |      42 |       1 |   2.3
       D:10 |    3930 |     913 |  18.9 |      41 |       3 |   6.8
       D:11 |    6448 |     682 |   9.6 |      33 |       3 |   8.3
     Temple |      13 |       0 |   0.0 |       1 |       0 |   0.0
     Lair:1 |    4659 |    1259 |  21.3 |      14 |      10 |  41.7
     Lair:2 |    6075 |    2801 |  31.6 |      24 |       8 |  25.0
     Lair:3 |    3568 |     445 |  11.1 |      17 |       1 |   5.6
     Lair:4 |    4260 |    3780 |  47.0 |      19 |       8 |  29.6
     Lair:5 |    2462 |     660 |  21.1 |      11 |       3 |  21.4
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------

Blades Runner

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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 16:14

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

You mostly need ways to kill uniques until you find better earth magic.
Anything which is not unique and has high MR you'll probably be able to take out with sandblast+stone arrow.

Evocations is good in general - though you need to get better wands for it to work reliably. You have a +3 aptitude, which helps. The lightning rod can be very good.
Makleb summons are also good. For really dangerous enemies I usually summon 3 of them. Even Minor Destruction can be nice when you're out of mp, though ideally you shouldn't let that happen.

In my game I trained 10 shortblades and 12 evocations, and added a shield for defence.
I'm taking out most dangerous uniques by passwall stabbing them, which takes them to 50% hp, and then using acid + scattershot (trying to corrode them before using scattershot if possible).

Some tactics which might also help:
- be aware of armour. Sandblast & LRD are vastly more effective against a hydra than against an Orc wearing plate armour.
- Sometimes petrify at a low percentage is worth it. I find 30-45% chance in general worth it, and if something's dangerous and I have a line of retreat I'll accept 15% chance of success.
- your staff of earth can increase the petrify % significantly
- identify your scrolls?

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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 16:27

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

I spam confuse onto stuff at ~50% odds all the time, that's fine. Petrify is fine too. You also have mephitic cloud for AoE confusion, see if you can get a book of cantrips or such for confusing touch.

You should have blink, swiftness, and probably apportation memorized. These are all useful utility spells and they're all castable for you right now.

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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 18:42

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

Yeah, the only reason I ever got Evocations for was for CBOE - but at this point I feel like I don't need it just yet. Plus I don't have a CBOE! But its cheap so I guess I could change a bit.

Is it possible to passwall stab things which have already woken up? If so, how would I know where they are?

Scroll wise, Un-ID'd I have:

scroll of brand weapon - Not needed as I Don't have a weapon worth branding. My stabby thing is my go to.
scroll of enchant weapon - Can't enchant my go to weapon.
scroll of holy word - No demons yet
scroll of magic mapping - I'm a deep dwarf; and I can't think of anything I need to map
scroll of noise - Useless
scroll of silence - Useless for me
scroll of summoning - Useful, but I have Makhleb summons
scroll of torment - Useless for me

Blink is on my to-get list, although I have been putting it off since I often find I can just run away till I find a wall I can passwall away through. Swiftness is probably a good shout though!

I never really found much use for Apportation... Although It might be good for apporting runes and running (Which I've never done before, I'm always tempted to kill everything)
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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 21:00

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

delarado wrote:Yeah, the only reason I ever got Evocations for was for CBOE - but at this point I feel like I don't need it just yet. Plus I don't have a CBOE! But its cheap so I guess I could change a bit.

Is it possible to passwall stab things which have already woken up? If so, how would I know where they are?


For the first one, Evocations can help your versatility a lot even at low levels. With the great aptitude, spending XP for a solid 10 is cheap.

For the second, stabs are stabs. If your target was already awake, but hasn't seen you, it is no different from an ordinary stab attempt where your char didn't just phase through a wall. Knowing where your targets are, that's enemy detection - antennae mutations, the assassin boots fixedart, or Ashenzari worship will give that. If you have none of the three, train up stealth to scout your targets without waking them up, then move around and passwall next to them.
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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 21:10

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

Evocations is actually really good imo. It makes wands stronger, and some wands are really good. Besides acid wands the following become good at high evokations: scatter shot, iceblast, paralysis, polymorph, disintegration. Then there's also xp-charged evocables and various staves. I suppose a DD would be one of the best species to try out training evocations with.

You have 10 spell levels left. Why delay Blink? Or do you think you won't want it ever?

I actually agree about apportion, it's only rarely useful. Mephitic cloud would make this part of the game easier, but I wouldn't invest too much in it.

As Sorcerous said, passwall stabs only work if the target hasn't woken up.

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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 21:33

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

He doesn't have to "invest too much" in mephitic. He could learn it right now, never train magic for the rest of the game, and it is still useful into and through depths. It's already on 7% fail.

Mephitic is somewhat useful in lair, and very strong in orc, elf, vaults, and depths. It is still somewhat useful in Zot, but there are usually better options. It is obsolete in extended.

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Post Monday, 29th July 2019, 22:31

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

Yes he can use it now. He can make his current character stronger without it ever costing him more than an amnesia scroll. He'd have to invest in it if he upgrades to a shield, or upgrades his body armour, or wants it to have higher spell power.

Mephitic has actually gotten me killed in Elf on at least one occasion, because it is so much stronger in Orc than in Elf. I expected it to be stronger than it was, took a risk, and died. Ultraviolent actually showed it in the Sudden Deaths video of the CSDC tournament :oops:
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Post Tuesday, 30th July 2019, 10:09

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

You have a scroll of acquirement. Use it ASAP : armour are always a good bet.

I would get Blink + Swiftness + Apportation online. Not of big fan of Mephitic Cloud but I admit you could use it with good benefit.

Training some Evocations as many suggested is a good idea. It can be paired with using the staff of earth for popcorn kills :
Henzell wrote:Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance.
10 Evoc guarantees to proc extra damage every time you strike.

You probably found no other amulet. You can drop Regen as it's useless for you (unless paired with ambrosia...).

I think you're ready for Orc. Don't hesitate to Petrify + LRD for packs, I fear you won't be stealthy enough to stab your way throughout the level.

Edit : I recently discovered how good BVC is. If you ever find it, learn it ASAP :)
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Post Tuesday, 30th July 2019, 14:27

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

petercordia wrote:Yes he can use it now. He can make his current character stronger without it ever costing him more than an amnesia scroll. He'd have to invest in it if he upgrades to a shield, or upgrades his body armour, or wants it to have higher spell power.

Mephitic has actually gotten me killed in Elf on at least one occasion, because it is so much stronger in Orc than in Elf. I expected it to be stronger than it was, took a risk, and died. Ultraviolent actually showed it in the Sudden Deaths video of the CSDC tournament :oops:


I'm doing a cosplay challenge right now where to get full marks you have to go to elf or abyss after lair, orc, and d:15. So entering elf routinely at XL 15-16 as draconian.

I've died a few times, none of them in elf, and in two of the runs I used mephitic extensively. You still have to use good judgment, but I highly doubt that it was the spell that "got you killed" in elf. It was probably that "took a risk" part :p.

It IS loud, which implies luring, using choke points, or having an escape route. And you don't want to stand in front of crystal spears hoping the confuse procs when one will kill you. This is true of most any magic below level 7-9 however.

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Post Tuesday, 30th July 2019, 16:57

Re: CIP:Next DDEE Makhleb

You've got a bunch of decent weapons and Minor Servants is super strong with 10 Invocations. From the weapons you have, pick either Maces or Polearms, train that and Fighting. Spam Minor Servants. Alternately, wait to pick a weapon skill until you see what you find in Orc and Lair:6. Axes are especially nice for DD because they are more likely to be vampiric branded.

Train more Invocations if you want. About 15 or 16 is where you have a 1% chance of summoning a hostile Major Servant, but Major Servant is really a late-game panic button more than an upgrade to Minor Servants. 2–3 Minor Servants, along with your own offense, will handle almost any 1-v-1 threat. Plus, you can swap places with them and they can block and distract if you need to escape.

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