CIP: TrMo^Nemelex


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Mines Malingerer

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Joined: Wednesday, 23rd November 2011, 18:54

Post Sunday, 5th February 2012, 01:06

CIP: TrMo^Nemelex

This is a game of many firsts for me. First monk to get off the ground, first troll to get off the ground, first Nemelexite to get off the ground, and first melee character in Snake Pit since constriction. I don't have a clue how to play Nemelex, but she seemed like a fun choice. I have sacrificed tons of corpses and a few other items; so I basically have only decks of summoning. However, piety seems to accumulate very slowly. I suppose that is because I am comparing it to Trog, Oka, Makhleb, and Vehumet. I think I found the altar on D:2 or D:3 and I have not hit 6 stars of piety yet (not that it is terribly important, since you can stack decks at 5).

I have cleared the dungeon through D14, Lair, Orc, and Snake Pit 1-4. The only other character I have taken into Snake Pit since constriction was an EE that didn't have to get near a single naga thanks to iron shot and LRD. The constriction of naga warriors and naga magi almost did me in twice. I shudder to think of a greater naga's constriction. So I am thinking of saving Snake 5 for a while. I would ask about the best way to deal with constriction, but I have a feeling that the answer is to spam decks of summoning.

Questions:

1) I know the wiki is generally crap. Does this also apply to the Nemelex guide? I am using the learndb, also.

2) I burned a scroll of acquirement on armor and got a large shield of protection, which I have been using ever since. Is this utterly stupid with Unarmed Combat?

3) Also, I was wearing robes, but recently enchanted a fire dragon hide up to +4 because of my lack of other sources of resist (I am carrying around a ring of ice to counter the rC- when necessary). I know there is a penalty to UC for armor as well. Should I stick with the armor though? And is saving up for the GDA artefact I found in a store on D10 a good idea? There is nothing else I would buy now anyway.

4) Finally, what about skill training? It's pretty slow going for a troll. I am focusing shields to try to mitigate/eliminate UC penalties. I have Evo at a decent level. What is a good Evo stopping point for Nemelex? Now that I switched to armor from robes I turned off dodging and focused on armor.

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Moloch the Brawler (Troll Monk)                    Turns: 38108, Time: 04:10:46

HP 144/144       AC 26     Str 28      XL: 15   Next: 62%
MP  10/10        EV  8     Int  9      God: Nemelex Xobeh [*****.]
Gold 2779        SH 40     Dex  9      Spells:  0 memorised, 16 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : +      - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : x . .   Warding    : . .  z - +4 fire dragon armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +    v - +1 large shield {AC+3}
Res.Acid. : + . .   Res.Corr.  : +    W - +0 wizard hat {Int+3}
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : +    O - +0 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    U - amulet of clarity
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    t - ring of the Three Planets {+Rage +Inv +Lev
Gourmand  : +       Ctrl.Flight: .    d - ring of Monotheism {AC+5 Acc-2 Dam+3}

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, poison resistance,
regeneration 2, saprovore 2, spit poison 1, tough skin 2, camouflage 1, wild
magic 1, evolution 1, AC +1, Str +1, Int -1
a: Spit Poison, Draw One, Peek at Two, Triple Draw, Mark Four, Stack Five,
Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Levitation


You are on level 4 of the Snake Pit.
You worship Nemelex Xobeh.
Nemelex Xobeh is exalted by your worship.
You are full.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 30 of its levels.
You have visited 1 Labyrinth.
You have visited 1 portal chamber: sewer.

You have collected 2815 gold pieces.
You have spent 36 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 S - the great sword "Klagiher" {pain, rElec rF+ SInv}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   In the hands of one skilled in necromantic magic, it inflicts extra damage
   on living creatures.
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
Missiles
 y - 13 runed darts
 E - 10 runed darts (quivered)
 T - 18 darts of flame
 V - 13 steel darts
Armour
 v - a +1 large shield of protection (worn)
 z - a +4 fire dragon armour (worn)
 O - a +0 cloak of preservation (worn)
 W - a +0 wizard hat of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 2}
 g - a wand of flame
 h - a tapered copper wand
 m - a wand of cold {zapped: 1}
 w - a wand of confusion (4)
 F - a wand of cold (6)
 J - a wand of lightning (8)
Comestibles
 b - 12 meat rations
 s - 18 bread rations
 Y - 3 royal jellies
Scrolls
 e - 3 scrolls of identify
 x - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 A - 2 scrolls of fear
 P - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 R - a scroll of blinking
Jewellery
 c - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 d - the ring of Monotheism (left claw) {AC+5 Acc-2 Dam+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   It affects your AC (+5).
   
   It affects your accuracy (-2).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
 i - an uncursed ring of ice
 k - an uncursed ring of sustenance
 t - the ring of the Three Planets (right claw) {+Rage +Inv +Lev Dex-3 Dam+6 SInv}
   (You found it in a Labyrinth)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   It affects your dexterity (-3).
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+6).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It lets you levitate.
   It lets you go berserk.
 u - the ring of the Elephant {Fire Dex+3 Int+2 Dam+3}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [ring of fire]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3).
 B - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 U - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
Potions
 f - a potion of magic
 l - a potion of heal wounds
 n - 2 potions of might
 D - 6 potions of agility
 G - 2 potions of speed
 X - 4 potions of curing
Magical staves
 o - a +9 rod of demonology (14/14)
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
Miscellaneous
 j - an ornate deck of summonings {drawn: 9} {god gift}
 p - an ornate deck of summonings {drawn: 3} {god gift}
 r - an ornate deck of dungeons {the Minefield} {god gift}
 C - an ornate deck of escape {drawn: 3} {god gift}
 H - a legendary deck of summonings {Foxfire} {god gift}
 L - a legendary deck of summonings {the Bones, left: 5} {god gift}
 M - an ornate deck of summonings {drawn: 3} {god gift}
 N - an ornate deck of summonings {drawn: 3} {god gift}
 Q - a plain deck of summonings {drawn: 1} {god gift}


   Skills:
 + Level 9.9 Fighting
 * Level 5.0 Armour
 - Level 9.6 Dodging
 - Level 1.1 Stealth
 * Level 12.3 Shields
 + Level 6.5 Traps & Doors
 * Level 15.6 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 1.3 Spellcasting
 + Level 11.2 Evocations


You have 16 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (14/27)            Temple (0/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:11
    Elf (0/5) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:9          Shoals (0/5) Lair:3
  Snake (4/5) Lair:5     
 Slime: Lair:6-8     Vault: D:14-19     

Altars:
Elyvilon
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh

Shops:
D:5: *  D:6: *  D:10: ?[+=/  D:11: %  D:12: [  Orc:4: +%[%

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8

Annotations
Lair:7 exclusion: 4 oklob plants


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You can eat rotten meat.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
You are dopey (Int -1).
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You can spit poison.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
Your skin changes color to match your surroundings (Stlth).
Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful.
You evolve.


Message History

You closely miss the naga. The naga hits you but does no damage. The naga constricts you.
You claw the naga!
The naga begins to bleed from its wounds!
You kick the naga, but do no damage.
The naga is heavily wounded.
The naga constricts you.
You claw the naga!
You kill the naga!
No target in view!
Found 20 gold pieces.
e - 3 scrolls of identify
Found a potion of heal wounds.
You start searching.
Done searching.
Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
You now have 2779 gold pieces.
h - a tapered copper wand
l - a potion of heal wounds
P - 5 scrolls of teleportation
Done exploring.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Saint Roka (Snake:3)
  Gastronok (D:9)
  Jozef (Lair:1)
  9 anacondas
  A dire elephant (Lair:8)
  A hydra (Lair:6)
  Erica (D:10)
  Harold (Orc:2)
  4 ogre magi (Orc:4)
  The ghost of Urgh the Thaumaturge, an experienced DDEE of Makhleb (Lair:3)
  6 death yaks
  Nergalle (Snake:2)
  2 orc high priests (Orc:3)
  4 naga warriors
  2 orc knights
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:3)
  2 hill giants
  Urug (Orc:1)
  Maurice (D:12)
  A griffon (Lair:7)
  4 elephant slugs (Lair:8)
  2 feature mimics
  7 spiny frogs
  26 elephants
  A wolf spider (D:14)
  4 hellwings (Lair:8)
  An orange demon (Lair:8)
  3 naga magi
  A smoke demon (Lair:8)
  19 black mambas
  11 komodo dragons
  A snapping turtle (Lair:3)
  9 two-headed ogres (Orc:4)
  2 ugly things
  13 blink frogs
  3 spectral orcs (Snake:2)
  5 basilisks
  A wyvern (Lair:5)
  A wraith (D:14)
  An item mimic (Lair:2)
  35 yaks
  Eustachio (D:9)
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  A fire crab zombie (D:13)
  13 hippogriffs
  7 war dogs
  7 fire drakes
  A merfolk (D:13)
  2 ice beasts
  A manticore (D:8)
  A necrophage (D:10)
  3 giant goldfish
  23 orc warriors
  A felid (D:13)
  A phantom (D:9)
  A yellow wasp (D:13)
  A demonspawn (D:13)
  6 centaurs
  A boring beetle (Lair:8)
  29 ogres
  7 crocodiles
  A yak skeleton (D:8)
  Sigmund (D:3)
  3 sky beasts
  Duvessa (D:6)
  46 nagas
  5 wargs
  2 big kobolds
  A draconian (D:13)
  6 giant slugs
  2 rotting devils (Lair:8)
  27 water moccasins
  10 agate snails
  A two-headed ogre zombie (D:12)
  A centaur zombie (D:7)
  18 giant frogs
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  28 killer bees
  3 wights (D:9)
  5 electric eels
  A pulsating lump (D:8)
  12 crimson imps
  2 jellyfish (D:11)
  A goliath beetle (Lair:6)
  Dowan (D:6)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:6)
  A shadow (D:13)
  A gnoll shaman (Orc:4)
  13 hounds
  12 worker ants
  28 orc priests
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  7 iguanas
  24 orc wizards
  2 scorpions
  7 sheep (Lair:7)
  7 porcupines
  Ijyb (D:4)
  A jelly (Port)
  A mummy (D:10)
  2 giant centipedes (D:11)
  14 gnolls
  51 green rats
  11 giant mites
  38 adders
  10 worms
  4 grey rats (D:6)
  2 giant eyeballs
  3 oozes
  180 orcs
  13 ball pythons
  22 giant cockroaches
  16 goblins
  18 hobgoblins
  29 jackals
  14 quokkas
  19 bats
  16 giant geckos
  19 giant newts
  2 giant spores
  A goblin zombie (Orc:3)
  26 kobolds
  A quokka skeleton (D:9)
  19 rats
  A rat zombie (D:8)
  5 ballistomycetes
  10 fungi
  3 plants
  7 toadstools
1142 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  3 hydras
  A wizard (Lair:8)
  The ghost of Gersploosh the Basher, an experienced HOAK of Lugonu (D:8)
  A death yak (Lair:7)
  A sun demon (Lair:8)
  Erolcha (D:10)
  A naga warrior (Snake:3)
  A human zombie (Lair:8)
  A red wasp (Lair:3)
  A wolf spider (D:13)
  2 spiny frogs (Lair:4)
  Sonja (D:10)
  A polar bear (D:8)
  A naga mage (Snake:3)
  2 trolls (D:10)
  2 blink frogs (Lair:7)
  A queen bee (Lair:3)
  A grizzly bear (Port)
  A bumblebee (D:8)
  2 hairy devils (Lair:8)
  2 war dogs (Lair:3)
  A manticore (D:13)
  5 yellow wasps
  An ogre (D:4)
  8 nagas
  A centaur (D:8)
  A rotting devil (Lair:8)
  An agate snail (Snake:2)
  2 water moccasins (Lair:4)
  12 killer bees
  An orc priest (D:6)
  A hound skeleton (D:10)
  An iguana (Lair:4)
  A worker ant (D:10)
  A sheep (Lair:7)
  4 jellies
  2 adders
  A giant mite (Lair:4)
  3 orcs
  A giant cockroach (Port)
  A jackal (D:10)
  2 giant newts (Port)
  A rat (D:8)
81 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A very ugly thing (Lair:7)
  3 vapours (Lair:8)
  3 dancing weapons
  A skeletal warrior (Snake:1)
  3 red wasps (Lair:3)
  A spiny frog (Lair:8)
  2 polar bears (D:8)
  A basilisk (Snake:2)
  A hairy devil (Snake:3)
  A blue devil (Lair:1)
  2 bumblebees (D:8)
  A yak (D:8)
  4 hogs
  2 insubstantial wisps (Snake:3)
  A crocodile (Lair:5)
  6 yellow wasps
  An electric eel (Lair:2)
  A big kobold skeleton (D:13)
  A quasit (Snake:3)
  A hound (Lair:3)
  A porcupine (Lair:5)
  A steam dragon skeleton (D:4)
  An adder (Snake:4)
  A gnoll (Orc:4)
  An orc (D:11)
  2 goblins (Orc:3)
  An orc zombie (D:8)
  8 fungi
  A plant (Lair:6)
  3 toadstools
57 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1280 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Moloch, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 20/20 MP: 0/0
   541 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 28/28 MP: 0/0
  1056 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 36/36 MP: 1/1
  1138 | D:2      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  1143 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh
  1143 | D:2      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  1143 | D:2      | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's first power
  1510 | D:3      | Noticed Sigmund
  1532 | D:3      | Defeated Sigmund
  1532 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  1532 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  1532 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 26/44 MP: 1/1
  1787 | D:3      | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's second power
  1796 | D:3      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  1810 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 50/50 MP: 1/1
  1892 | D:3      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  1974 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2628 | D:4      | Noticed Ijyb
  2640 | D:4      | Defeated Ijyb
  2808 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
  2808 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 59/59 MP: 1/4
  3007 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3185 | D:5      | Noticed Blork the orc
  3196 | D:5      | Defeated Blork the orc
  3631 | D:5      | Found Jeplid's General Store.
  3811 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3822 | D:6      | Found Khuun's General Store.
  3843 | D:6      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 63/66 MP: 4/4
  3863 | D:6      | Found a glowing drain.
  3903 | sewer    | Entered the sewers
  4540 | sewer    | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  4549 | sewer    | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  4617 | D:6      | Bought a potion of berserk rage for 36 gold pieces
  4975 | D:6      | Noticed Duvessa
  4975 | D:6      | Noticed Dowan
  4987 | D:6      | Defeated Duvessa
  5007 | D:6      | Defeated Dowan
  5112 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/76 MP: 4/4
  5684 | D:6      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  5689 | D:6      | Defeated Crazy Yiuf
  5866 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  5866 | D:7      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  6130 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  6156 | D:7      | Noticed a centaur zombie
  6167 | D:7      | Defeated a centaur zombie
  6388 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 78/84 MP: 6/6
  6492 | D:7      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  6860 | D:7      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
  7350 | D:8      | Noticed a pulsating lump
  7350 | D:8      | a killer bee changed into a pulsating lump
  7374 | D:8      | Noticed a green ugly thing
  7384 | D:8      | Noticed a bumblebee
  7385 | D:8      | HP: 3/84 [green ugly thing[the player character] (6)]
  7388 | D:8      | Defeated a green ugly thing
  7389 | D:8      | HP: 1/84 [bumblebee[the player character] (5)]
  7398 | D:8      | Defeated a bumblebee
  7509 | D:8      | Defeated a pulsating lump
  7515 | D:8      | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's third power
  7621 | D:8      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  7656 | D:8      | Noticed Gersploosh's ghost (experienced HOAK)
  7709 | D:8      | Noticed a yak skeleton
  7716 | D:8      | Defeated a yak skeleton
  7733 | D:8      | Defeated Gersploosh's ghost
  7733 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7733 | D:8      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  8347 | D:9      | Noticed Gastronok
  8466 | D:9      | Defeated Gastronok
  8466 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 39/93 MP: 6/6
  8468 | D:9      | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  8593 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8596 | D:9      | Noticed Eustachio
  8613 | D:9      | Defeated Eustachio
  8836 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  8836 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
  9078 | D:9      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  9247 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  9251 | Lair:1   | You fall through a shaft!
  9658 | Lair:2   | Got a wavering steel ring
  9725 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  9790 | Lair:2   | Identified the ring of Monotheism (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
  9971 | Lair:1   | HP: 4/94 [poisoned by a spiny frog]
 10457 | Lair:1   | Noticed Jozef
 10466 | Lair:1   | Defeated Jozef
 10466 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
 10466 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 33/102 MP: 6/6
 11035 | Lair:2   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 11815 | Lair:3   | Noticed Urgh's ghost (experienced DDEE)
 12027 | Lair:3   | You fall through a shaft!
 12228 | Lair:4   | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 12269 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
 12438 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 12459 | Lair:3   | Defeated Urgh's ghost
 12813 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
 12975 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 13294 | Lair:3   | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
 13294 | Lair:3   | Gained mutation: Your skin changes color to match your surroundings (Stlth).
 13294 | Lair:3   | Gained mutation: You evolve.
 13645 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 14852 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 83/113 MP: 5/8
 15556 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 15674 | Lair:5   | Gained mutation: Your system is resistant to poisons.
 16640 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
 16885 | Lair:6   | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's fourth power
 17392 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 18307 | Lair:7   | Got an ancient flail
 18308 | Lair:7   | Identified the flail "Fioggoax" {holy, rN+} (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18777 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 18870 | Lair:7   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 73/123 MP: 5/8
 19645 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
 19876 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 19974 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 20521 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 21807 | Lair:8   | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful.
 21953 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 22171 | Lair:8   | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 22654 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Traps & Doors
 22877 | Lair:8   | Found a gateway to Hell.
 22887 | Lair:8   | Identified a +9 rod of demonology (14/14) (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 23127 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 23195 | D:10     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 23238 | D:10     | Found Ozei's Book Emporium.
 23238 | D:10     | Found Stradghoum's Jewellery Shoppe.
 23278 | D:10     | Noticed Erolcha
 23288 | D:10     | Defeated Erolcha
 23297 | D:10     | Found Wulielis' Magical Wand Emporium.
 23363 | D:10     | Noticed a red ugly thing
 23381 | D:10     | Defeated a red ugly thing
 23398 | D:10     | Noticed Erica
 23405 | D:10     | Defeated Erica
 23405 | D:10     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 66/133 MP: 8/8
 23440 | D:10     | Noticed Sonja
 23452 | D:10     | Defeated Sonja
 23507 | D:10     | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 23540 | Lab      | Entered a Labyrinth
 24776 | Lab      | Got a shimmering golden ring
 24781 | Lab      | Identified a +0 cloak of preservation (You found it in a Labyrinth)
 24805 | Lab      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 24811 | D:10     | Found Chaag's Antique Armour Emporium.
 24903 | D:10     | Found Kischan's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 25035 | D:10     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
 25038 | D:10     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
 25046 | D:10     | Identified the cursed ring of the Three Planets (You found it in a Labyrinth)
 25396 | D:11     | Noticed an orc knight
 25629 | D:11     | Defeated an orc knight
 25668 | D:11     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 25670 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 25680 | D:11     | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's fifth power
 25712 | D:11     | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 25743 | D:11     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 26185 | D:11     | Found Shrozy's Food Emporium.
 26274 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 26315 | Orc:1    | Noticed Urug
 26334 | Orc:1    | Defeated Urug
 26356 | Orc:1    | Gained mutation: You can spit poison.
 26614 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 26868 | Orc:2    | Noticed Harold
 26881 | Orc:2    | Defeated Harold
 27537 | Orc:3    | Noticed an orc high priest
 27550 | Orc:3    | Defeated an orc high priest
 28159 | Orc:3    | Noticed an orc high priest
 28209 | Orc:3    | Defeated an orc high priest
 28241 | Orc:3    | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 28289 | Orc:3    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 28385 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 28709 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 28710 | Orc:4    | Found Ghikinit's Book Shop.
 28711 | Orc:4    | Noticed an ogre mage
 28711 | Orc:4    | Noticed an ogre mage
 28711 | Orc:4    | Noticed an ogre mage
 28711 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 28749 | Orc:4    | Defeated an ogre mage
 28756 | Orc:4    | Defeated an ogre mage
 28796 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 28815 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 28825 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 28833 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 28842 | Orc:4    | Defeated an ogre mage
 28901 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 28905 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 28914 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 29064 | Orc:4    | Noticed a gnoll shaman
 29065 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 29071 | Orc:4    | Defeated a gnoll shaman
 29078 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 29087 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 29106 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 29113 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 29150 | Orc:4    | Found Mnang's Food Shoppe.
 29151 | Orc:4    | Found Vityapsa's Armour Shoppe.
 29151 | Orc:4    | Found Gaorer's Food Boutique.
 29249 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 29359 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 29364 | Orc:4    | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 29370 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 29375 | Orc:4    | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 29419 | Orc:4    | Noticed an ogre mage
 29428 | Orc:4    | Defeated an ogre mage
 29459 | Orc:3    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 30075 | D:12     | Found Kiaruwir's Armour Emporium.
 30075 | D:12     | Noticed Maurice
 30091 | D:12     | Defeated Maurice
 31744 | D:14     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 32921 | D:14     | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 33079 | D:14     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 33385 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 33416 | Snake:1  | Got a sparkling golden ring
 33419 | Snake:1  | Identified the ring of the Elephant {Dex+3 Int+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit)
 33694 | Snake:1  | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 33728 | Snake:1  | Got a bloodstained great sword
 33737 | Snake:1  | Identified the great sword "Klagiher" {pain, rElec rF+ SInv} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit)
 33940 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat
 34694 | Snake:2  | Gained mutation: You are dopey (Int -1).
 34729 | Snake:2  | Noticed Nergalle
 34745 | Snake:2  | Defeated Nergalle
 34838 | Snake:2  | Got an ichor-stained spiked flail
 34839 | Snake:2  | Identified the cursed spiked flail of Fatigue {slay orc, rElec Curse} (You found it on level 2 of the Snake Pit)
 35007 | Snake:2  | Reached XP level 15. HP: 143/143 MP: 10/10
 35049 | Snake:2  | HP: 10/214 [poisoned by a naga mage (poison arrow)]
 35576 | Snake:3  | Noticed Saint Roka
 35631 | Snake:3  | Defeated Saint Roka
 35808 | Snake:3  | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 36476 | Snake:3  | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 37808 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 38026 | Snake:4  | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.


For those interested, I got most of my mutations from quaff IDing a pot of mutation. I got evolution which has given me poison resistance and spit poison along with wild magic and Int-1.

Any other advice is welcome.

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Post Sunday, 5th February 2012, 01:38

Re: CIP: TrMo^Nemelex

duketide11 wrote:This is a game of many firsts for me. First monk to get off the ground, first troll to get off the ground, first Nemelexite to get off the ground, and first melee character in Snake Pit since constriction. I don't have a clue how to play Nemelex, but she seemed like a fun choice. I have sacrificed tons of corpses and a few other items; so I basically have only decks of summoning. However, piety seems to accumulate very slowly. I suppose that is because I am comparing it to Trog, Oka, Makhleb, and Vehumet. I think I found the altar on D:2 or D:3 and I have not hit 6 stars of piety yet (not that it is terribly important, since you can stack decks at 5).


You get Nemelex piety for tidying up the dungeon, but you also get Nemelex piety for drawing unmarked cards. To build up piety, you need to use up rubbish decks even if it isn't actually productive to do so.

duketide11 wrote:I would ask about the best way to deal with constriction, but I have a feeling that the answer is to spam decks of summoning.


Large rocks. Or javelins if you have them, but large rocks are guaranteed to be plentiful. Train throwing up to a modest level.

duketide11 wrote:2) I burned a scroll of acquirement on armor and got a large shield of protection, which I have been using ever since. Is this utterly stupid with Unarmed Combat?


Shields prevent you from using your off-hand punch and slightly worsen your attack delay. Neither can be eliminated by improving shield skill, but neither has a sufficient impact on your damage output to be worth worrying about. The defense value of a shield is very large. More troublesome is the accuracy penalty, which stacks with your armor's penalty, but you can fully eliminate this shield penalty with enough shield skill. You are already most of the way toward eliminating it.

Yes, it's almost certainly worth wearing the shield.

duketide11 wrote:3) Also, I was wearing robes, but recently enchanted a fire dragon hide up to +4 because of my lack of other sources of resist (I am carrying around a ring of ice to counter the rC- when necessary). I know there is a penalty to UC for armor as well. Should I stick with the armor though? And is saving up for the GDA artefact I found in a store on D10 a good idea? There is nothing else I would buy now anyway.


Fire dragon armor is good if you can mitigate the cold weakness. Gold dragon armor is perhaps a goal for later; -9 to accuracy is pretty rough if you haven't stacked your bonuses yet.

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Post Sunday, 5th February 2012, 02:15

Re: CIP: TrMo^Nemelex

1) I don't know of any advice concerning Nemelex, but this is a very promising character you got there. :) Nice slaying bonuses and AC (for a Troll).

2) Nope, it's a very good shield for a Troll going unarmed (which you should, cause Troll UC is one of the best melee forms of damage in the game (especially at 27 UC skill). And you only need 15 Shields skill to eliminate the penalties related to its use!

3) I myself never bother raising dodging on Trolls and Ogres because of the severe size penalty. The goal is to grab an armour that allows you to train the skill as early as you can, and you're good on that matter for now. Watch out for freezing wraiths, though. If you forget about this minus, they'll hit for A LOT. Even worse is probably the Yaktaurs/Centaur Warriors that loiter the late Dungeons and Vaults and can fire freezing ammo at you. Silver bolts can also hurt you for extra damage due to your mutations now. Is that GDA you're after in an antique shop (I mean unidentified)? It could end up to be a very crappy one and cost a lot, if that's the case. GDA is definitely something to be looking forward to on a Troll without spells, of course.

4) What I'd do right now would be:

First, you probably shouldn't be heading to Snake Pit on lvl 15, especially on a melee character, now with constriction.

Turn off all skills except Shields. Reach lvl 15 on that to get rid of penalties. Don't do Vaults yet before the next step (to be on the safer side). Instead, explore as much of the dungeon you can safely explore.
Turn off shields and raise T&D to 12. You should be entering Vaults by now, ideally.
Turn off T&D, turn on Armour and leave it on for the rest of the game and only turn it off when you want to really focus on another skill. Eventually, you'd want to raise UC to 27, for max unarmed damage and minimum delay, naturally so you may focus UC after Armour skill is decent. Fighting is always good for the extra HP and improvements in physical combat.

On the other hand I know nothing of Nemelex, so Evocations may be a priority. However, getting Shields to level 15 would still be my top priority at the moment, no matter what.
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