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Joined: Saturday, 19th May 2012, 12:12

Post Tuesday, 17th April 2018, 21:24

YASD - DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

Died of stupidity.

Hi everybody,

I really don't know why, but this draconian ice elementalist looks very very weak: I had to skip Saint Roka, was unable to damage him (not kill, I wasnt doing pretty much anything to him with cold bolt...).
Had to skip Spiders, Arachna was nearly killing me 2-3 times.
Had to skip Elves, can't deal with animated weapons, a dire flail was almost killing me.
I went to Vault. I forgot to remove ring of teleport (my bad :| I was trying to escape to the fire flail above and I ran out of TP scrolls...) and I went into a dire situation, sorrounded by yaktur and ogres. I decided not to give up, used a lot of consumable, played smart and eventually survived killing all the first floor of vault but it was SO F* HARD. I don't think I'll survive to V2.
What am I doing wrong? Where are my mistake? Or simply this poor Draconian is too weak to survive to the harsh of the Dungeon?

Morgue below:

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

yugo the Gelid (Grey Draconian Ice Elementalist)   Turns: 55434, Time: 04:01:40

Health: 109/149    AC: 19    Str: 11    XL:     18   Next: 13%
Magic:  17/47      EV: 18    Int: 19    God:    Sif Muna [*****.]
Gold:   3252       SH:  8    Dex: 14    Spells: 5/43 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis +   b - staff of energy
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   Y - +3 buckler of the Falcon {rC+ rN+}
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   (armour unavailable)
rPois    .         Spirit   .   R - +0 hat {MR+}
rElec    .         Reflect  .   r - +0 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   z - +2 pair of gloves
MR       ++...                  (no boots)
Stlth    ++........             j - amulet of regeneration
HPRegen  0.74/turn              u - ring of magical power
MPRegen  0.30/turn              F - ring of see invisible

@: divine energy
A: walk through water, unfitting armour, stinger 1, dopey 1, fire resistance 1,
high mp 1, unbreathing, cold-blooded, AC +15
}: 1/15 runes: decaying
a: Stop Divine Energy, Channel Magic, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Vaults.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is extremely pleased with you.
You are hungry.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 33 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth.

You have collected 3556 gold pieces.
You have spent 304 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +0 falchion of electrocution
Armour
 r - a +0 cloak (worn)
 z - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 R - a +0 hat of magic resistance (worn)
 Y - the +3 buckler of the Falcon (worn) {rC+ rN+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
Magical Staves
 b - an uncursed staff of energy (weapon)
 d - an uncursed staff of cold
Jewellery
 j - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 u - a ring of magical power (left hand)
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 F - a ring of see invisible (right hand)
 G - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 I - an uncursed ring of fire
 T - an uncursed ring of wizardry
Wands
 h - a wand of paralysis (10)
 k - a wand of disintegration (49)
 B - a wand of iceblast (31)
 H - a wand of digging (1)
 J - a wand of acid (4)
Scrolls
 c - 2 scrolls of identify
 f - 8 scrolls of fog
 C - 2 scrolls of holy word
 D - 3 scrolls of vulnerability
 E - 2 scrolls of immolation
 M - 15 scrolls of remove curse
 S - 8 scrolls of magic mapping
Potions
 g - a potion of curing
 i - 2 potions of flight
 o - 4 potions of haste
 q - 4 potions of cancellation
 s - 5 potions of lignification
 v - 4 potions of brilliance
 w - a potion of mutation
 x - 5 potions of berserk rage
 K - 3 potions of heal wounds
 O - 2 potions of ambrosia
 U - 3 potions of agility
 V - 2 potions of resistance
Books
 e - a book of Flames   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Flame Tongue                 Conjuration/Fire              1
    b - Throw Flame                  Conjuration/Fire              2
    c - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    d - Inner Flame                  Hexes/Fire                    3
    e - Sticky Flame                 Conjuration/Fire              4
    f - Fireball                     Conjuration/Fire              5
 m - Sif Muna's Almanac of Conjuration and Translocation
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 1 of the Vaults)   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Force Lance                  Conjuration/Translocation     4
    b - Orb of Destruction           Conjuration                   7
    c - Chain Lightning              Conjuration/Air               8
    d - Glaciate                     Conjuration/Ice               9
    e - Fire Storm                   Conjuration/Fire              9
Miscellaneous
 t - a phial of floods (inert)
 Q - a crystal ball of energy
 X - a box of beasts
Comestibles
 l - 7 chunks of flesh
 P - 36 rations


   Skills:
 - Level 10,4 Fighting
 - Level 11,4 Long Blades
 - Level 10,0 Dodging
 - Level 1,7 Stealth
 - Level 4,0 Shields
 - Level 13,4 Spellcasting
 + Level 13,8 Conjurations
 - Level 4,1 Summonings
 * Level 17,3 Ice Magic
 - Level 8,5 Invocations


You have 5 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Freeze                Ice            ####         0%          1    None
b - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ##......     8%          2    None
c - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       #####...     1%          3    None
d - Summon Ice Beast      Ice/Summ       ######..     1%          4    None
e - Freezing Cloud        Conj/Ice/Air   ######....   11%         6    None
f - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          5%          1    None
g - Apportation           Tloc           ##....       5%          1    None
h - Bolt of Cold          Conj/Ice       ######....   1%          6    None
i - Aura of Abjuration    Summ           ####......   26%         5    None
j - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          8%          2    None
k - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      #####...     3%          4    None
l - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ##........   16%         3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:8
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:2       Spider (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:9             Elf (1/3) Orc:2        Vaults (1/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Hepliaklqana
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh

Shops:
D:5 (   Orc:2 *([(

Annotations:
D:12 exclusion: ice statue
Lair:4 exclusion: 2 oklob plants
Lair:5 exclusion: ice statue
Swamp:4 Aizul
Spider:2 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne
Spider:3 Arachne
Orc:2 Saint Roka


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can walk through water.
Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard. (AC +15)
You cannot fit into any form of body armour.
You can survive without breathing.
You are cold-blooded and may be slowed by cold attacks.
Your tail ends in a poisonous barb.
You are dopey. (Int -2)
Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+)
You have an increased reservoir of magic. (+10% MP)


Message History

Things that are here:
an arbalest; 23 bolts
You see here an arbalest.
Things that are here:
a dire flail; a leather armour
You see here a large rock.
Things that are here:
a large rock; 9 bolts
You see here a bolt.
Your ice beast disappears in a puff of smoke!
You see here 5 bolts.
There is an open door here.
Things that are here:
a battleaxe of flaming; a plate armour
There is an open door here.
Things that are here:
a morningstar; a scale mail
There is a gate leading back out of this place here.
Char dumped to 'morgue/yugo.txt'.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A thorn hunter (Swamp:4)
  Donald (Spider:2)
  2 vault wardens (Vaults:1)
  A deep elf sorcerer (Vaults:1)
  2 ghost moths
  Louise (Spider:2)
  2 emperor scorpions
  6 ironheart preservers (Vaults:1)
  4 entropy weavers
  3 very ugly things (Vaults:1)
  A deep elf demonologist (Vaults:1)
  2 deep elf annihilators
  Nessos (Lair:6)
  A spark wasp (Spider:2)
  A deep elf death mage (Vaults:1)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  3 yaktaur captains (Vaults:1)
  2 fire dragons (D:15)
  A great orb of eyes (Vaults:1)
  3 ogre magi (Vaults:1)
  10 hydras
  3 vault guards
  3 catoblepae (Lair:6)
  9 two-headed ogres
  2 ghost crabs (Swamp:4)
  A death knight (Vaults:1)
  3 centaur warriors
  5 alligators
  A deep troll shaman (Vaults:1)
  6 death yaks (Lair:6)
  A tengu warrior (D:15)
  3 spriggans (Swamp:1)
  A spriggan berserker (Swamp:4)
  5 deep elf knights
  8 swamp dragons
  3 unseen horrors
  4 deep trolls (Vaults:1)
  2 spriggan druids
  3 wizards
  7 ironbrand convokers (Vaults:1)
  4 deep elf archers
  21 deep elf magi
  An orc knight (Vaults:1)
  A shambling mangrove (Swamp:4)
  11 orb spiders
  3 necromancers
  4 orc sorcerers (Orc:2)
  13 ugly things
  27 wolf spiders
  4 cyclopes
  3 manticores
  6 elephants
  A moth of wrath (Spider:4)
  2 centaur zombies
  A black mamba (Lair:3)
  A torpor snail (Spider:2)
  A gargoyle (D:14)
  9 spiny frogs
  A rime drake (Lair:3)
  3 kobold demonologists (D:15)
  A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  2 komodo dragons
  8 demonic crawlers
  14 yaktaurs
  27 jumping spiders
  A queen bee (Spider:4)
  2 tengu conjurers
  3 meliai (Spider:4)
  5 polar bears
  3 tyrant leeches
  6 trolls
  18 slime creatures
  3 bog bodies
  7 hippogriffs
  6 hornets
  8 blink frogs
  A dream sheep (Lair:5)
  A fire giant simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  56 redbacks
  An air elemental (Elf:1)
  19 tarantellas
  A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Elf:1)
  3 wraiths
  5 yaks (Lair:6)
  18 humans (D:13)
  A basilisk (D:15)
  2 fire elementals (Elf:1)
  5 wyverns
  A human simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  A hungry ghost (D:12)
  10 vampire mosquitoes
  27 swamp worms
  A yaktaur simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  2 wargs
  3 insubstantial wisps
  A water moccasin (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  A soldier ant (D:8)
  A water moccasin (Lair:1)
  10 porcupines
  A black bear (D:7)
  6 swamp drakes
  3 sky beasts
  7 ice beasts
  30 orc warriors
  2 human zombies (Vaults:1)
  4 phantoms
  5 boggarts (Vaults:1)
  4 centaurs
  11 ogres
  14 wolves
  5 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds
  11 bullfrogs
  2 wyvern zombies
  A water moccasin zombie (D:5)
  3 scorpions
  14 killer bees
  7 wights
  7 electric eels
  4 howler monkeys
  3 crimson imps
  3 hounds
  5 jellies
  19 orc wizards
  18 orc priests
  Jessica (D:2)
  4 bullfrog skeletons
  Natasha (D:4)
  An iguana (D:9)
  9 worker ants
  A killer bee zombie (D:6)
  A hound skeleton (D:5)
  6 gnolls
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:5)
  13 adders
  3 shadow imps
  A white imp (Lair:5)
  3 oozes
  14 worms
  An adder skeleton (D:5)
  8 dart slugs
  5 leopard geckos
  100 orcs
  2 ball pythons
  3 giant cockroaches
  15 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  13 jackals
  6 quokkas
  10 bats
  5 frilled lizards
  14 kobolds
  A quokka zombie (D:5)
  4 rats
966 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Gastronok (Lair:1)
  A vault warden (Vaults:1)
  An ironheart preserver (Vaults:1)
  An entropy weaver (Spider:1)
  9 hydras
  A centaur warrior (D:15)
  4 two-headed ogres
  2 alligators (Swamp:4)
  An orc high priest (Orc:2)
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:4)
  4 swamp dragons (Swamp:4)
  A shambling mangrove (Swamp:2)
  2 ugly things
  A wolf spider (Spider:1)
  9 spiny frogs
  A centaur zombie (D:12)
  2 black mambas
  2 rime drakes (Lair:6)
  2 centaur skeletons
  2 komodo dragons
  A demonic crawler (Spider:1)
  A yaktaur (Vaults:1)
  A tengu conjurer (D:13)
  2 tyrant leeches (Swamp:3)
  A polar bear (Lair:4)
  3 hornets
  7 slime creatures
  3 dream sheep (Lair:5)
  13 blink frogs
  3 hippogriffs
  8 bog bodies
  2 redbacks (Spider:1)
  3 yaks (Lair:6)
  3 tarantellas (Spider:1)
  A hungry ghost (D:12)
  A wyvern (D:14)
  A human (D:13)
  5 vampire mosquitoes
  3 swamp worms (Swamp:1)
  4 water moccasins
  2 insubstantial wisps
  A porcupine (Lair:2)
  3 swamp drakes (Swamp:4)
  4 orc warriors
  A phantom (D:13)
  3 ogres
  6 wolves
  2 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:11)
  4 bullfrogs
  A scorpion (Lair:4)
  10 wights
  2 orc priests
  3 jellies (Lair:6)
  2 orc wizards
  2 worker ants (Lair:4)
  An adder (D:11)
  A shadow imp (D:15)
  2 white imps (Lair:5)
  3 worms
  8 orcs
  A bat (Orc:1)
  3 kobolds (D:11)
180 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A crocodile (D:8)
  An orc wizard (D:9)
  2 dart slugs (D:7)
  3 fungi
  24 plants
31 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1177 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | yugo the Draconian Ice Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3
   325 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 11/20 MP: 0/5
   560 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Frost
  1265 | D:2      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  1289 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/26 MP: 1/7
  1304 | D:2      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  1310 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder
  1624 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Ozocubu's Armour
  1659 | D:2      | Noticed Jessica
  1837 | D:2      | Killed Jessica
  1837 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 33/33 MP: 4/9
  1859 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Ice Magic
  2402 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 34/38 MP: 7/11
  2912 | D:3      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  3103 | D:2      | Gained mutation: Your tail ends in a poisonous barb. [potion of mutation]
  3103 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [potion of mutation]
  3103 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You have an increased reservoir of magic. (+10% MP) [potion of mutation]
  3103 | D:2      | Gained mutation: Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+) [potion of mutation]
  3516 | D:3      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  3702 | D:3      | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast
  3707 | D:3      | Reached * piety under Sif Muna
  3707 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/45 MP: 5/14
  3936 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  4092 | D:4      | Noticed a hippogriff
  4155 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic
  4170 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
  4230 | D:4      | Noticed Natasha
  4382 | D:4      | Killed a hippogriff
  4382 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Ice Magic
  4382 | D:4      | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour.
  4382 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 10/50 MP: 0/15
  4382 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [Grey Draconian growth]
  4738 | D:4      | Killed Natasha
  4832 | D:4      | Learned a level 4 spell: Throw Icicle
  4835 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5173 | D:5      | Reached ** piety under Sif Muna
  5173 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Ice Magic
  5253 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5272 | D:5      | Found Utanlenum's Weapon Shoppe.
  5442 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 23/57 MP: 7/17
  5847 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Ice Magic
  6087 | D:6      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  6094 | D:6      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  6807 | D:6      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
  6809 | D:6      | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
  7177 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Ice Magic
  7274 | D:7      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7366 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  7403 | D:7      | Reached *** piety under Sif Muna
  7729 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 63/67 MP: 12/18
  7880 | D:7      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  8105 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  8121 | D:8      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  8121 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Ice Magic
  8477 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Ice Magic
  8765 | D:8      | Found a flagged portal.
  8834 | D:8      | Reached **** piety under Sif Muna
  8835 | D:8      | Paralysed by a hornet for 3 turns
  9704 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10237 | D:8      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 10376 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 10425 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 10425 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 10. HP: 76/81 MP: 10/19
 10437 | Lair:1   | Noticed a spiny frog
 10448 | Lair:1   | Killed a spiny frog
 10483 | Lair:1   | Noticed a spiny frog
 10759 | Lair:1   | Noticed a spiny frog
 10776 | Lair:1   | Killed a spiny frog
 10897 | Lair:1   | Killed a spiny frog
 11083 | Lair:1   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 11094 | Lair:1   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 11173 | Lair:1   | Noticed Gastronok
 11191 | Lair:1   | Killed Gastronok
 12293 | Lair:1   | Reached ***** piety under Sif Muna
 12414 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 12549 | Lair:2   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 12555 | Lair:2   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 12555 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 12559 | Lair:2   | Noticed a black mamba
 12564 | Lair:2   | Killed a black mamba
 12564 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 78/89 MP: 6/26
 12566 | Lair:2   | Identified Hoobiomn's Disquisition on Hurtful Calling (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 12981 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 12 in Ice Magic
 14065 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
 14428 | Lair:3   | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Cold
 14819 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 15371 | Lair:4   | Noticed an oklob plant
 15703 | Lair:4   | Noticed an oklob plant
 15761 | Lair:5   | Noticed an ice dragon
 15850 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 5 spell: Bolt of Draining
 15859 | Lair:2   | Identified 2 scrolls of acquirement
 16013 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 16662 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 83/104 MP: 16/27
 16864 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 16879 | Lair:6   | Noticed a catoblepas
 16885 | Lair:6   | Noticed Nessos
 17033 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 17033 | D:9      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
 17100 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 17130 | D:9      | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 17530 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 17544 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
 17763 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 18167 | D:9      | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 18190 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 18290 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 19233 | D:11     | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 19485 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 19797 | D:12     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 19806 | D:12     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 20106 | D:12     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 20668 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 21099 | D:13     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 21129 | D:13     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 21277 | D:13     | Noticed a vault guard
 21301 | D:13     | Killed a vault guard
 21686 | D:13     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 114/114 MP: 15/29
 22068 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 22349 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
 23314 | Lair:6   | Killed Nessos
 23427 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 23471 | Lair:6   | Identified Ifyefarr's Incunabulum of Creation and the Birds (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
 23471 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 24005 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 24655 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 25710 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 26607 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 26760 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 6 turns
 26767 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 26791 | Orc:2    | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 26884 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 28532 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 28537 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 28545 | Lab      | Got a pitted crystal amulet
 28545 | Lab      | Got a twitching steel ring
 28554 | Orc:2    | Identified the ring of Xisos {rC- Str+5 Stlth+} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 28558 | Orc:2    | Identified the amulet "Ishrim" {Faith rElec rC+ Str+9 Int-5} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 28618 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 28713 | Orc:2    | Reached XP level 14. HP: 103/122 MP: 1/31
 28759 | Orc:2    | Noticed Saint Roka
 29245 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 29325 | Orc:2    | Found Vuts's General Store.
 29368 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 29459 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 29526 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 29607 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 29637 | Orc:2    | Found Qyruhue's Weapon Shoppe.
 29712 | Orc:2    | Identified Lyfoplev's Compendium of Dark Magic (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 29712 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 29714 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 30243 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 33453 | Swamp:3  | Reached skill level 13 in Ice Magic
 33722 | Swamp:3  | Identified Sif Muna's Handbook of Poisoning and Air (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 3 of the Swamp)
 33722 | Swamp:3  | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 34259 | Swamp:3  | Learned a level 6 spell: Freezing Cloud
 34405 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 34653 | Swamp:4  | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 35206 | Swamp:4  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 36150 | Swamp:3  | Reached XP level 15. HP: 98/128 MP: 3/34
 36751 | Swamp:4  | Killed a thorn hunter
 36927 | Swamp:4  | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 37651 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 37928 | Swamp:4  | Noticed Aizul
 38349 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
 38440 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 39138 | D:14     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 39319 | D:14     | Reached skill level 14 in Ice Magic
 39788 | D:14     | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 40208 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 40208 | D:15     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 40640 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 42250 | Orc:2    | Found Nooptuzy's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 42251 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 42254 | Orc:2    | Found Oriunug's Antique Armour Shoppe.
 42268 | Orc:2    | Bought a brightly glowing buckler for 304 gold pieces
 42859 | Spider:1 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 135/135 MP: 26/36
 43286 | Spider:1 | Identified the +3 buckler of the Falcon {rC+ rN+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 43624 | Spider:1 | Got a fine demon blade
 43745 | Spider:2 | Noticed Donald
 43745 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades
 43920 | Spider:2 | Noticed Roxanne
 44184 | Spider:2 | Noticed Louise
 44433 | Spider:2 | Killed Donald
 44657 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades
 44813 | Spider:2 | Identified the +7 demon blade "Koahar" {vamp, +Inv} (You found it on level 1 of the Spider Nest)
 45782 | Spider:2 | Killed Louise
 46848 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness
 46854 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 5 spell: Aura of Abjuration
 48618 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 48674 | Spider:4 | Noticed Arachne
 49106 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Long Blades
 51176 | Spider:3 | HP: 4/135 [Arachne/staff of poison (16)]
 51471 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 51746 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 51751 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 17. HP: 129/141 MP: 16/37
 52479 | Elf:1    | Reached skill level 15 in Ice Magic
 53185 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 53220 | Vaults:1 | HP: 5/141 [yaktaur/bolt (27)]
 54019 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Ice Magic
 54021 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 54068 | Vaults:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame
 54997 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Ice Magic
 55024 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 34/149 MP: 9/38
 55118 | Vaults:1 | Identified Sif Muna's Almanac of Conjuration and Translocation (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 1 of the Vaults)
 55118 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Sif Muna

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |        3  4     5           8  9 10    12 13       | 13,4
Ice Magic      |           4     6  7  9 11    12       13 14    17 | 17,3
Summonings     |                 2  3  4                            |  4,1
Fighting       |                       2  5  6  9 10                | 10,4
Conjurations   |                             3  6  8 10 11    12 13 | 13,8
Shields        |                                4                   |  4,0
Dodging        |                                2  6 10             | 10,0
Invocations    |                                      1  5  8       |  8,5
Long Blades    |                                              11    | 11,4
Stealth        |                                                    |  1,7

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |    30 |     7 |       |       |       |       ||    37
       Tailslap          |     6 |     5 |    22 |    48 |    86 |    40 ||   207
       Morningstar       |       |    15 |       |       |       |       ||    15
       War axe           |       |    50 |   208 |   177 |       |       ||   435
       Whip              |       |       |    33 |       |       |       ||    33
       Staff             |       |       |     1 |     8 |    70 |     3 ||    82
       Battleaxe         |       |       |       |     5 |       |       ||     5
       Falchion          |       |       |       |   236 |   468 |   239 ||   943
Throw: Stone             |     4 |     4 |       |       |       |       ||     8
       Tomahawk          |       |    17 |       |       |     2 |       ||    19
 Cast: Freeze            |    46 |    75 |    54 |   194 |    61 |       ||   430
       Throw Frost       |       |    13 |    25 |    21 |       |       ||    59
       Ozocubu's Armour  |       |     5 |    20 |    56 |    58 |    44 ||   183
       Summon Ice Beast  |       |       |    24 |    78 |    97 |    20 ||   219
       Throw Icicle      |       |       |     2 |    57 |    56 |       ||   115
       Animate Skeleton  |       |       |       |    51 |    94 |       ||   145
       Bolt of Cold      |       |       |       |    32 |   331 |   336 ||   699
       Apportation       |       |       |       |     5 |     9 |       ||    14
       Bolt of Draining  |       |       |       |     4 |     5 |       ||     9
       Freezing Cloud    |       |       |       |       |    69 |   103 ||   172
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |     9 |    17 ||    26
       Regeneration      |       |       |       |       |       |    25 ||    25
       Sticky Flame      |       |       |       |       |       |     8 ||     8
       Aura of Abjuratio |       |       |       |       |       |     4 ||     4
Invok: Divine Energy     |       |       |     1 |       |     1 |       ||     2
       Channel Magic     |       |       |       |       |    19 |     9 ||    28
       Stop Divine Energ |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     6 |     1 |    11 |    19 ||    37
       Staff of energy   |       |       |       |       |     2 |   116 ||   118
       Box of beasts     |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
       Phial of floods   |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |       |     6 |     4 |    16 |    19 |    19 ||    64
       Potion            |       |     6 |     2 |     2 |     2 |    16 ||    28
 Stab: Sleeping          |     2 |       |     1 |     5 |     2 |       ||    10
       Distracted        |       |       |     1 |     3 |     3 |       ||     7
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     9 |    14 |    37 |    63 |    42 ||   168
       Ration            |       |       |     4 |     3 |    13 |     5 ||    25
Armor: Skin              |    22 |    60 |   169 |   268 |   377 |   353 ||  1249
Dodge: Dodged            |    40 |   109 |   244 |   530 |   902 |   590 ||  2415
Block: Buckler           |       |       |       |   191 |   386 |   310 ||   887
Rpst.: Falchion          |       |       |       |    48 |   141 |    54 ||   243



I've found a nice Daemon Blade +7 Vamp and Invis but I am afraid of losing the staff that is supporting my ice bolt. I'd become super hungry without it.
But I suppose I'm really doing (or I've done) something wrong.
Any help welcome.
Thanks!
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Post Tuesday, 17th April 2018, 23:25

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

You have 36 rations. Don't make decisions based on spell hunger until that number is 0.

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Post Tuesday, 17th April 2018, 23:45

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

The Vaults and Elf are actually harder than spider/swamp, Arachne and Aizul are tough, but not as tough as Saint Roka.

I would suggest you simply avoid the uniques you can't kill and go down to the next floor, you don't have to kill things that are too challenging, or that you don't have an easy solution for. You can probably clear spider and swamp leaning heavily on ice beasts and freezing cloud, conjurations are good for killing things quickly, but they aren't as MP efficient when you have to face lots of critters at once (this is particularly true of spider, where you'll face hoards of things for which using a direct damage conjuration is overkill) 3 ice beasts will do more damage than 2 bolts of cold, and 1 freezing cloud+some ice beasts will tear through just about anything you'll see in spider or swamp.

You also seem to have overtrained ice magic, comparitively speaking. If you'd stopped at like 15-16 ice magic and devoted that extra XP towards conjuration, summon, and air magic, you'd probably have a more robust set of spells, and sacrificed virtually nothing in terms of offensive power.

The staff of energy is generally not terrible, but it's not useful for you at all. As was pointed out above, spell hunger should not be the driver of your decisions, I'd wield the staff of cold all the time (it does decent damage with a little evocation) or keep the demon blade in hand all the time (demon blades are pretty good, it's better to whack things with a demon blade than use freeze at this point in the game, you can probably amnesia it if you need the slot) Energy is sometimes useful for a channeling device, except that you're with sif, who is way better at providing mana than the staff, so I'd seriously just drop it, and pick between the better no-mp offense and healing that goes with the demon blade, or the better spellpower that goes with the staff of cold. (I'd personally probably go with the demon blade)

Elf is a trap, its' dangerous, and the rewards are rarely worth your time once you can clear it with little risk (there are a few exceptions where you can clear it especially easily, but you don't fit into any of those categories)

If you *really* feel like you can't tackle spider/swamp yet, make sure you've explored all of the dungeon. Some people do a couple levels of the depths before they head into the vaults, personally I think the Depths are more dangerous than the vaults, but it's a close thing.
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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 05:00

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

Patashu wrote:You have 36 rations. Don't make decisions based on spell hunger until that number is 0.
If you are serious, it is a bad advice. Having 1 ration means player should have been training and using a weapon long time ago
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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 05:19

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:
Patashu wrote:You have 36 rations. Don't make decisions based on spell hunger until that number is 0.
If you are serious, it is a bad advice. Having 1 ration means player should have been training and using a weapon long time ago

In this case 'don't make decisions based on spell hunger' means 'yes, train long blades and use that vampiric long sword', LOL.

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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 07:10

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

Hi guys,

as always thanks a lot to all of you.
Yes, I have this thing with hunger. I've always had (despite my noobness, I'm playing DCSS since 0.6 :-|). I am one of those who take Kiku with Troll because "you never know I might run out of food when I am in Zot". Said that yes, I have to use those rations :)
And I'll train the damn daemon blade.
And I'll use the ice beast/freezing cloud combination :)
Thanks again, things looks a lot more clear now.
I'll update this once I have obtained YASD :-D

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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 07:12

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

Patashu wrote:
VeryAngryFelid wrote:
Patashu wrote:You have 36 rations. Don't make decisions based on spell hunger until that number is 0.
If you are serious, it is a bad advice. Having 1 ration means player should have been training and using a weapon long time ago

In this case 'don't make decisions based on spell hunger' means 'yes, train long blades and use that vampiric long sword', LOL.


Maybe we are misunderstanding each other. My point is "don't make decisions based on spell hunger until 0 rations" can result in player spamming level 9 spell and then he/she starts making decisions based on spell hunger with 0 rations left but alas, it is too late and he/she dies with zero skill in weapons, using UC of course :)
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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 09:40

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

Siegurt wrote:
Elf is a trap, its' dangerous, and the rewards are rarely worth your time once you can clear it with little risk (there are a few exceptions where you can clear it especially easily, but you don't fit into any of those categories)


For my future runs: what are these exceptions? ^^

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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 10:38

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

I don't think Elf is a trap for experienced players who do it after Vaults or even Depths especially when you can ignore Elf 3 if you really want.
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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 10:47

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:I don't think Elf is a trap for experienced players who do it after Vaults or even Depths especially when you can ignore Elf 3 if you really want.


I think by "trap" they mean that you find it in Orc, so you can enter it way before you can enter Vaults or advised to enter Depths, not speaking about clearing them. So an unspoiled and inexperienced player may think that it is easier than those.

In other words I do not think that "trap" means that it's hard to clear, but that its danger level is not easy to judge.

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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 10:52

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

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VeryAngryFelid wrote:I don't think Elf is a trap for experienced players who do it after Vaults or even Depths especially when you can ignore Elf 3 if you really want.


I think by "trap" they mean that you find it in Orc, so you can enter it way before you can enter Vaults or advised to enter Depths, not speaking about clearing them. So an unspoiled and inexperienced player may think that it is easier than those.


In this case Depths and all 5 Lair branches are traps too. Elf at least gives you a great reward on last floor and can have shops on first 2.
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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 10:53

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

They are somewhat traps. But the difference is the biggest in the case of Elf (and maybe Depths, but at least the name may suggest that it is hard? I do not now). Ok, maybe Slime is a trap also.

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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 17:55

Re: DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

damn I hate this game :(

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Post Wednesday, 18th April 2018, 19:33

Re: YASD - DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

A character with a source of invisibility, the silence spell, and the ability to deal moderate physical damage kills everything in elf.

With just invisibility a character can comfortably raid the hall of blades.

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Post Tuesday, 1st May 2018, 21:13

Re: YASD - DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

At risk of getting slightly carried away about Elf talk but... Oh heck, let's. 8-)

I agree that it's not easy for a new player to understand when to do Elf or not. I definitely agree that it isn't as easy as the placement within Orc might suggest (you rarely want to go in immediately after finishing Orc - I can only think of once or twice I've consciously come to that point, after understanding all that's in there).

Elf has: Lots of casters with varied magic abilities (blink invisibility, various bolt and cloud spells, haste...), some of whom can hit you really hard - possibly with high level spells - if you don't imagine what they can do, or have come along without many relevant preparations. It also throws some enemies that are resistant to more of the usual "out of the box" attacks like elemental damage -- Elves may summon their own elementals which are very powerful, and there are lots of flying weapons that sooner or later, you run into one with a brand you really don't want to meet too early. All before (well, usually before) some random super caster manages to fire off the Lehudib's Crystal Spear for some insane damage, or a demon summoner pops a smiting or tormenting fiend of one or another major variety to pound you from a distance. There are also a few elves who are more combat specialists, archers and swords types akin to the orc specialists you see earlier (but sneakier - faster - more magical too). Finally, a few may test your MR by trying to cast you away into the Abyss, which is often lethal for earlier characters.

Elf is vulnerable to: Pretty much anything I call "anti-personnel." If it can kill or disable a squishy humanoid consistently and preferably at a distance, bring it and keep launching it before they get to cast much. For example: Mystic Blast, Fulminant Prism, Mephitic Cloud, Silence (versus casters), Lee's Rapid Deconstruction are a few lowish level spells that can do wonders at moderate power if properly deployed. Any serious anti-magic weapon can help. A really strong (probably early on, very well-geared) archer type of character can pick off many of the elves before they get many turns to attack. Anyway, you'll generally need to be able to do some fighting at range, or at least suppress some of the elves before they can close -- and don't forget to plan and watch out for those things above that aren't squishy elves.

Basically, I go to Elf early if I can kill humanoids fairly reliably and have at least some hope of fighting hard targets, but other paths around the dungeon are also looking very difficult. If I've cleared the main Dungeon as far as I dare (around D:13-15), finished Lair and Orc, and yet I don't have poison resistance and the Lair branches are Snake and Spider (strong denizens with poison all over), but I'm holding offense that is fast and hits fairly hard or some good AOE, I might think about Elf early. A few elves will have poison, but it won't be as frequent as those branches and the elves may also die faster to a strong AOE or fast weapon attack.

Invisibility isn't a panacea anywhere. It has a good chance of succeeding if you can attack fast enough, but most elves are smart enough to know generally where you are and a large group can box you in (or at least force you to spend a blink or teleport scroll). If you aren't well armed, eventually some will hit. A few will also be carrying equipment with various interesting brands and egos, including the occasional Sinv.
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Post Wednesday, 2nd May 2018, 06:58

Re: YASD - DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

stoneychips wrote:Invisibility isn't a panacea anywhere. It has a good chance of succeeding if you can attack fast enough, but most elves are smart enough to know generally where you are and a large group can box you in (or at least force you to spend a blink or teleport scroll). If you aren't well armed, eventually some will hit. A few will also be carrying equipment with various interesting brands and egos, including the occasional Sinv.

These elves have see invisible naturally:
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Deep elf annihilator
Deep elf death mage
Deep elf demonologist
Deep elf elementalist
Deep elf high priest
Deep elf sorcerer
DCSS: 77: ...SpWz{OgGlTrMo}{CeWnMfBeMiSk}DrEE{GrFiFoGl}DgEnFeNe{OpGlHuSu}DDAr
HaCKSpAEGrTmDgFEDsCjGhMoHuVM{HaAMBaEn}{HuMoHOWn}DsWzDDHu{DgWnGnBe}FeIE
{MiEnMfCj}SpNeBaEEGrFE{HaAKTrCK}DsFESpHu{FoArNaBe}FeEE{HOIEMiAE}GrGlHuWrGnWr
Bloat: 4: RaRoPrPh{GuStGnCa

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Post Wednesday, 2nd May 2018, 07:42

Re: YASD - DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

Latest version of Depths is harder than Elf, in my opinion.
If you are really careful and you have decent survivability in melee (for dancing weapons), you can manage it.
Just beware of banishment to Abyss... engage 1-2 enemies at once, and teleport away when things get hard.
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Post Wednesday, 2nd May 2018, 14:49

Re: YASD - DrIE ^Sif - why so F* hard?

Sprucery wrote:
stoneychips wrote:Invisibility isn't a panacea anywhere. It has a good chance of succeeding if you can attack fast enough, but most elves are smart enough to know generally where you are and a large group can box you in (or at least force you to spend a blink or teleport scroll). If you aren't well armed, eventually some will hit. A few will also be carrying equipment with various interesting brands and egos, including the occasional Sinv.

These elves have see invisible naturally:
  Code:
Deep elf annihilator
Deep elf death mage
Deep elf demonologist
Deep elf elementalist
Deep elf high priest
Deep elf sorcerer


Ha. The things I forget! That must be why I gave up trying to invis around Elf so quickly? :o
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