CeHu of Makhleb


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Halls Hopper

Posts: 56

Joined: Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 06:44

Post Saturday, 24th March 2018, 18:22

CeHu of Makhleb

I've played this game on and off for a long time but never managed to go very far.
I currently have one of my most promising characters ever thanks to a find in a bailey:

the +10 fire dragon scales of the Forest (worn) {rPois rF++ rC- MR+ Regen+}

My AC has jumped from 9 to 21 (22 with a +1 cloak of poison resistance also found in the bailey) and I feel much safer for exploring the dungeon.

My strategy has been to use my bow for dangerous creatures and some short blade for the others. I'd appreciate any advice for which skills to train from now on and/or strategy (in particular, if you think I should stick with my bow/short blade strategy, which of the ones I have should I use?)

Here's my char dump:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1-1-g345015f (webtiles) character file.

chlorine the Archer (Centaur Hunter)               Turns: 14217, Time: 03:20:35

Health: 89/89      AC: 22    Str: 15    XL:     10   Next: 37%
Magic:  13/13      EV:  8    Int: 10    God:    Makhleb [*.....]
Gold:   360        SH:  0    Dex: 13    Spells: 9/9 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis .   a - +1 shortbow
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     . . .     Faith    .   O - +10 fire dragon scales of the Forest {rPois rF++ rC- MR+ Regen+}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   u - +0 helmet
rElec    .         Reflect  .   E - +1 cloak {rPois}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   (no gloves)
MR       +....                  (no barding)
Stlth    ..........             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.64/turn              S - ring of protection from cold
MPRegen  0.13/turn              z - +5 ring of slaying

@: very quick
A: large, hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3
a: Renounce Religion


You are on level 8 of the Dungeon.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is aware of your devotion.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 10 of its levels.
You have also visited: Bailey.

You have collected 546 gold pieces.
You have spent 186 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +1 shortbow (weapon)
 b - a +1 dagger of draining
 h - a +0 rapier of speed
 j - a +0 halberd
 J - a glowing falchion
 K - a slimy long sword {venom}
 P - a short sword of flaming
 R - a short sword
Missiles
 d - 74 arrows (quivered)
Armour
 l - a plate armour
 u - a +0 helmet (worn)
 E - a +1 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
 H - a shiny ring mail
 O - the +10 fire dragon scales of the Forest (worn) {rPois rF++ rC- MR+ Regen+}
   (You found it in a bailey)   
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 X - a runed leather armour
 Y - a +0 scale mail
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 z - a +5 ring of slaying (right hand)
 S - a ring of protection from cold (left hand)
Wands
 c - a wand of flame (29)
 s - a wand of random effects (31)
 V - a wand of digging (10)
Scrolls
 g - a scroll of magic mapping
 i - 2 scrolls of vulnerability
 k - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 5 scrolls of identify
 n - a scroll labeled ZAOP NEBAONK
 q - 3 scrolls of blinking
 r - a scroll of noise
 t - 3 scrolls of fog
 w - a scroll labeled ERYUN ENLY
 y - a scroll of fear
 D - a scroll labeled MYISSA JAED
 L - 2 scrolls of amnesia
 Q - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
Potions
 p - an orange potion
 v - 4 potions of degeneration
 x - 3 potions of lignification
 B - a potion of flight
 C - a potion of curing
 I - 2 emerald potions
 T - a potion of brilliance
 U - a fizzy yellow potion
Books
 M - a Necronomicon   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Haunt                        Necromancy/Summoning          7
    b - Borgnjor's Revivification    Necromancy                    8
    c - Death's Door                 Charms/Necromancy             8
    d - Infestation                  Necromancy                    8
    e - Necromutation                Transmutation/Necromancy      8
Miscellaneous
 G - a fan of gales (inert)
Comestibles
 f - 11 rations


   Skills:
 - Level 8.3 Fighting
 - Level 5.1 Short Blades
 - Level 11.0 Bows
 - Level 5.0 Armour
 - Level 3.0 Dodging
 - Level 0.4 Stealth
 + Level 4.5 Evocations


You have 9 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/15)             Temple (1/1) D:6         
  Lair: D:8-11         Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:4 :   D:6 (%!!?

Annotations:
D:5 Prince Ribbit
D:6 Menkaure


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin. (AC +3)


Message History

b - a +1 dagger of draining (weapon)
You hit the adder zombie. Your kick misses the adder zombie.
The adder zombie is moderately damaged.
The adder zombie barely misses you.
You hit the adder zombie. You kick the adder zombie.
The adder zombie is severely damaged.
The adder zombie bites you but does no damage.
You puncture the adder zombie!
You destroy the adder zombie!
Makhleb accepts your kill.
a - a +1 shortbow (weapon)
There is an open door here.
There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You now have 360 gold pieces (gained 18).
You found a teleport trap!
i - 2 scrolls of vulnerability (gained 1)
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A two-headed ogre (D:9)
  Pikel (D:4)
  2 orc knights (Bailey)
  The ghost of Gobbopathe the Charlatan, a novice SpAr (D:5)
  A troll (D:9)
  A hippogriff (D:7)
  Sigmund (D:6)
  Edmund (D:5)
  Duvessa (D:5)
  The ghost of Scuka the Caller, an amateur FeSu of Yredelemnul (D:6)
  2 orc warriors (Bailey)
  2 sky beasts
  A slave (D:3)
  A phantom (D:5)
  3 ice beasts
  A necrophage (D:8)
  2 ogres
  A centaur (D:7)
  A bullfrog (D:9)
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  Dowan (D:5)
  A scorpion (D:9)
  9 wights
  2 crimson imps (D:7)
  A centaur zombie (D:7)
  2 hounds
  An orc priest (D:9)
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:3)
  A centaur skeleton (D:4)
  5 orc wizards
  5 worker ants
  A worker ant zombie (D:6)
  Robin (D:2)
  5 adders
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:7)
  2 shadow imps
  An ooze (D:2)
  2 adder zombies
  3 adder skeletons
  A worm (D:3)
  4 leopard geckos
  31 orcs
  3 ball pythons (D:2)
  5 giant cockroaches
  21 goblins
  10 hobgoblins
  13 jackals
  2 quokkas
  A ball python skeleton (D:4)
  9 bats
  4 frilled lizards
  4 kobolds
  A quokka zombie (D:5)
  7 rats
187 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | chlorine the Centaur Hunter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 17/17 MP: 1/1
   312 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/24 MP: 2/2
   326 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
   919 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 30/30 MP: 3/3
  2252 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 4/4
  2291 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  2296 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  2296 | D:2      | Reached skill level 6 in Bows
  2448 | D:2      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  2450 | D:2      | Got an encrusted helmet
  2459 | D:2      | Noticed an earth elemental
  2481 | D:2      | Noticed a fire elemental
  2481 | D:2      | Noticed a water elemental
  2481 | D:2      | Noticed an air elemental
  2492 | D:2      | Identified the cursed -3 helmet "Wusedey" {Regen+ Int+3} (You took it off Robin on level 2 of the Dungeon)
  3418 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/46 MP: 5/5
  4044 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4045 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4064 | D:3      | Killed a slave
  4578 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4578 | D:5      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  4721 | D:4      | Noticed Pikel
  4728 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4729 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4801 | D:4      | Killed Pikel
  4801 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  4801 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/52 MP: 6/6
  4996 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/59 MP: 7/7
  5339 | D:4      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  5351 | D:4      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  5439 | D:4      | Found Ympoas's Book Shoppe.
  5632 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  5733 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  5788 | D:5      | Noticed Gobbopathe's ghost (novice SpAr)
  5930 | D:5      | Killed Gobbopathe's ghost
  6302 | D:5      | Noticed Edmund
  6393 | D:5      | Killed Edmund
  6393 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Bows
  6393 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 63/68 MP: 8/8
  6645 | D:5      | Noticed Duvessa
  6647 | D:5      | Noticed Dowan
  6681 | D:5      | Killed Duvessa
  6701 | D:5      | Killed Dowan
  7511 | D:6      | Found Waowai's Food Emporium.
  7551 | D:6      | Noticed Scuka's ghost (amateur FeSu)
  7605 | D:6      | Killed Scuka's ghost
  7737 | D:6      | Noticed Menkaure
  7748 | D:6      | HP: 3/71 [Menkaure (10)]
  8547 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Bows
  8785 | D:7      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
  8945 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 78/78 MP: 9/9
  9580 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Bows
  9873 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  9880 | D:6      | Found Pyijaf's Distillery.
  9887 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
 10026 | D:6      | Bought a potion of flight for 33 gold pieces
 10026 | D:6      | Bought a potion of curing for 33 gold pieces
 10086 | D:6      | Found Kiurphoh's Weapon Shoppe.
 10188 | D:6      | Noticed Sigmund
 10286 | D:6      | Killed Sigmund
 10286 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Bows
 10479 | D:6      | Found Ociwij's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 10485 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of fog for 22 gold pieces
 10485 | D:6      | Bought a scroll of amnesia for 38 gold pieces
 10556 | D:6      | Got a slimy long sword {venom}
 10657 | D:6      | Noticed Blork the orc
 10690 | D:6      | Killed Blork the orc
 10770 | D:6      | Found Uvael's Distillery.
 10778 | D:6      | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 60 gold pieces
 11186 | D:7      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 11186 | D:7      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 11186 | D:7      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 11318 | D:8      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
 11340 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 11432 | D:9      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 11451 | D:9      | Killed a two-headed ogre
 11522 | D:9      | Noticed a troll
 11524 | D:9      | Killed a troll
 11524 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 88/88 MP: 10/10
 11610 | D:9      | Reached skill level 11 in Bows
 11756 | D:9      | Found a flagged portal.
 11788 | Bailey   | Entered a bailey
 11854 | Bailey   | Noticed an orc knight
 12056 | Bailey   | Noticed an orc knight
 12056 | Bailey   | Noticed an orc knight
 12107 | Bailey   | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
 12170 | Bailey   | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 12321 | Bailey   | Killed an orc knight
 12977 | Bailey   | Noticed an orc knight
 13002 | Bailey   | Killed an orc knight
 13900 | Bailey   | Got transparent fire dragon scales
 13911 | Bailey   | Identified the +10 fire dragon scales of the Forest {rPois rF++ rC- MR+ Regen+} (You found it in a bailey)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 |
---------------+-------------------------------+-----
Short Blades   |     1  2     5                |  5.1
Fighting       |        3     4     5  6  8    |  8.3
Bows           |           6        7  8 10 11 | 11.0
Armour         |                    3  4  5    |  5.0
Dodging        |                       3       |  3.0
Evocations     |                             4 |  4.5
Stealth        |                               |  0.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |   100 |    76 |    63 |       ||   239
       Kick              |    19 |    17 |    81 |    16 ||   133
       Dagger            |       |       |   218 |    49 ||   267
       Halberd           |       |       |       |     8 ||     8
 Fire: Shortbow          |    46 |    63 |   235 |    73 ||   417
Throw: Throwing net      |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
       Fan of gales      |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |     8 |     6 |     1 ||    15
       Potion            |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     3 |     3 |     3 ||    12
       Ration            |       |     1 |     4 |     2 ||     7
Armor: Leather armour    |    38 |    29 |    24 |       ||    91
       Scale mail        |       |       |    74 |    24 ||    98
       Fire dragon scale |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
Dodge: Dodged            |    47 |    35 |    82 |    35 ||   199

Halls Hopper

Posts: 56

Joined: Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 06:44

Post Sunday, 25th March 2018, 12:31

Re: CeHu of Makhleb

Never mind that particular character, I YASDed. :/
I'm still interested in general advice for this build though, as I quite liked it.

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Monday, 26th March 2018, 07:14

Re: CeHu of Makhleb

I train just 2 skills until having bow at min delay: Bows (focused after D:5 or so, training just Bows before that) and Fighting (after D:5). A few points in Invocations for reliable Heroism if playing Oka. Armour/Dodging do not help much due to -3 aptitudes and the facts that Armour is not likely to give much early due to deformed body mutation (plate armour gives +5 AC while +2 robe gives +3 AC) and lack of aux armour pieces (unless you are lucky of course), Dodging is killed by large size and is only temporary anyway (until you get a barding which kills EV again)
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
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Halls Hopper

Posts: 56

Joined: Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 06:44

Post Monday, 26th March 2018, 19:37

Re: CeHu of Makhleb

Thanks for the tips! I must be using my bow wrong: if I rely only on my bow in the early game I tend to lose too many of them, being left with a very small number. This is why I try to rely on a melee weapon. I'll try relying on the bow more.

Ziggurat Zagger

Posts: 4432

Joined: Friday, 8th May 2015, 17:51

Post Monday, 26th March 2018, 19:51

Re: CeHu of Makhleb

Don't get me wrong, I still use a melee weapon. I just don't train it.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
Overestimated: AC, GDS
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