CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?


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Post Saturday, 3rd March 2018, 22:12

CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

This character took a short sword of venom off the very first D:1 monster it fought. I trained SBl to 4 to get a delay of 9, to be quicker than the typical monster. Then I got a scroll of acquirement early, and got a quick blade out of it. So I got Animate Dead online and then trained the quick blade to mindelay. Picked up a buckler along the way and removed its spellcasting penalty. I've been struggling to get Vile Clutch online, and finally have it down to 10% in leather. On L:2 I had a labyrinth and a volcano and managed to snag them both. Now I have the minotaur's +8 great mace {crush, rN+, MP+9}, Spellbinder taken off a crimson imp of all things, and a few other M&Fs. I also have a +4 scimitar of flaming taken off an efreet in the volcano. I recognize that the crosstraining is of miniscule benefit, the main reason I'm thinking about the LBl is being able to keep wearing a buckler while my armor still has to be thin, and wanting to avoid Spellbinder when I can because of the MP penalty. My expectation is that this character won't go very far beyond the starting book and end up mainly a melee character. In the immediate future I want to get Fighting and Dodging up to 10 since the quickblades and Makhleb abilities have been plenty of killdudes for the present. I also got a staff of wizardry in the lab and could try bulkier armor soon.

Which would you go for?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

MainiacJoe the Reanimator (Hill Orc Necromancer)   Turns: 15617, Time: 01:57:32

HP:   95/95 (96)    AC: 14    Str: 13    XL:     12   Next: 48%
MP:   28/28         EV: 15    Int: 16    God:    Makhleb [****..]
Gold: 352           SH:  0    Dex: 18    Spells: 3/17 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis .   b - +8 great mace {crush, rN+ MP+9}
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   (shield currently unavailable)
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   F - +3 leather armour {rF+}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   e - +2 helmet
rElec    .         Reflect  .   r - +0 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   W - +0 pair of gloves {Str+3}
MR       .....                  L - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    +++.......             J - amulet of magic regeneration
HPRegen  0.25/turn              O - ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+, =R}
MPRegen  0.46/turn              t - ring of poison resistance

@: no status effects
A: no striking features
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Renounce
Religion


You are on level 10 of the Dungeon.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is greatly pleased with you.
You are very hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 13 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano.

You have collected 810 gold pieces.
You have spent 458 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +6 quick blade
 b - the +8 great mace of Kiunyppe (weapon) {crush, rN+ MP+9}
   (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 g - a +4 scimitar of flaming
 s - the +0 dagger of Aluawy {pierce, rC+ Int+4}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
 w - a +1 great mace of flaming
 D - a vampiric rapier
 G - a longbow of flaming
 H - a +0 morningstar of holy wrath
 Q - a dire flail
 R - the +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}
   (You took it off a crimson imp on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It reduces the magical energy of the wielder, and disrupts the spells and
   magical abilities of those hit. Natural abilities and divine invocations are
   not affected.
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Missiles
 k - 2 javelins (quivered)
 n - 6 tomahawks of returning
 o - 3 tomahawks
 v - 98 bolts
 A - 34 poisoned needles
 B - 6 needles of paralysis
 Z - 7 silver tomahawks
Armour
 e - a +2 helmet (worn)
 m - +0 fire dragon scales
 r - a +0 cloak (worn)
 C - a +0 buckler
 F - a +3 leather armour of fire resistance (worn)
 I - a +0 troll leather armour
 L - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 N - a +2 pair of gloves of archery
 W - a +0 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
Magical Staves
 P - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Jewellery
 c - an uncursed ring of fire
 t - a ring of poison resistance (right hand)
 J - an amulet of magic regeneration (around neck)
 O - the ring of Attitude (left hand) {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+, =R}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your dexterity (+7).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Wands
 p - a wand of iceblast (6)
 x - a wand of clouds (5)
 y - a wand of paralysis (11)
 z - a wand of scattershot (4)
 Y - a wand of acid (8)
Scrolls
 d - a scroll of teleportation
 h - 7 scrolls of remove curse
 K - a scroll of summoning
 M - 2 scrolls of fear
Potions
 i - a potion of brilliance
 j - 3 potions of resistance
 l - 5 potions of curing
 q - a potion of flight
 u - 5 potions of berserk rage
 E - a potion of heal wounds
Comestibles
 f - 16 rations


   Skills:
 - Level 6.0 Fighting
 - Level 8.0 Short Blades
 + Level 5.7 Dodging
 - Level 2.0 Stealth
 - Level 4.2 Shields
 - Level 3.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 11.0 Necromancy
 - Level 9.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 10.0 Invocations


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Pain                  Necr           ####         1%          1    #......
c - Borgnjor's Vile Clut  Necr/Erth      ####......   11%         5    ######.
d - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          2%          4    #####..
s - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    #......
v - Vampiric Draining     Necr           #####.....   1%          3    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (2/6) D:10
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:2          Orc (0/2) D:9         
 Snake: Lair:2-4    Spider: Lair:2-4   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:4 [   D:5 [*

Annotations:
Lair:1 beehive dig

Message History

Items here: )) [[[
a robe; a dagger of venom; a leather armour; a whip; a +0 troll leather armour
Things that are here:
a chain mail; a dire flail
Q - a dire flail
Fire/throw which item? (* to show all) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Search for what [Enter for "maces", or ? for help]?
Things that are here:
a leather armour; a dagger
There is a large open door here.
Items here: ))) : ??? |
a shortbow; an uncursed staff of poison; a book of Changes; a scroll of vulnerability; 2 scrolls of immolation; an enchanted falchion; a scroll of amnesia
the +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}
R - the +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}
Search for what [Enter for "maces", or ? for help]? long
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You remove your ring of fire.
t - a ring of poison resistance (right hand)
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A minotaur (Lab)
  3 two-headed ogres (D:10)
  2 lindwurms (Volcano)
  Psyche (D:9)
  2 molten gargoyles (Volcano)
  A spiny frog (Lair:2)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:2)
  An efreet (Volcano)
  2 trolls (D:10)
  A merfolk (D:10)
  A hornet (D:10)
  4 blink frogs (Lair:1)
  2 hogs
  4 fire elementals (Volcano)
  3 fire bats (Lair:2)
  2 wyverns (D:10)
  A basilisk (Lair:1)
  An acid dragon (D:10)
  4 water moccasins
  2 ice beasts
  4 orc warriors
  8 black bears
  3 sky beasts
  2 phantoms
  A necrophage (D:9)
  6 ogres
  3 centaurs
  2 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds (D:10)
  3 earth elementals (Volcano)
  14 bullfrogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:10)
  3 scorpions
  32 killer bees
  A howler monkey (D:5)
  7 electric eels (D:10)
  4 crimson imps
  A centaur zombie (D:7)
  2 centaur skeletons
  3 hounds
  3 orc priests
  2 gnoll shamans (D:10)
  3 bullfrog skeletons
  An iguana (D:6)
  7 orc wizards
  3 worker ants
  2 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:8)
  8 adders
  A shadow imp (D:6)
  2 worms (D:2)
  A dart slug (D:3)
  4 leopard geckos
  23 orcs
  A ball python (D:5)
  7 bats
  7 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  6 hobgoblins
  14 jackals
  11 kobolds
  3 quokkas
  5 frilled lizards
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:5)
  A quokka zombie (D:7)
  9 rats
  A spectral orc (D:9)
  5 plants (D:10)
281 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A molten gargoyle (Volcano)
  A spiny frog (Lair:2)
  An efreet (Volcano)
  A troll (D:10)
  2 hungry ghosts
  A porcupine (Lair:2)
  A water moccasin (Lair:1)
  5 black bears
  A big kobold (D:7)
  2 bullfrogs
  23 killer bees (Lair:1)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:10)
  A crimson imp (D:7)
  A centaur zombie (D:7)
  A jelly (D:6)
  A shadow imp (D:6)
  An adder zombie (D:7)
  An adder skeleton (D:3)
  3 orcs (D:10)
  A giant cockroach (D:2)
  3 hobgoblins
  3 jackals
  2 kobolds
  A goblin (D:2)
  2 fungi (Lair:1)
  A plant (D:10)
62 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A sky beast (D:7)
  2 fire vortices (Volcano)
  3 fungi (Lair:1)
  2 plants
8 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 351 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | MainiacJoe the Hill Orc Necromancer began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3
     2 | D:1      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
   500 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 4/4
  1233 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 5/5
  1238 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
  1870 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
  1870 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 27/33 MP: 0/6
  2386 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  2387 | D:2      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  2637 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  2968 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3014 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
  3014 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 36/39 MP: 3/7
  3113 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  3333 | D:3      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  3797 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 16/46 MP: 3/8
  4044 | D:4      | Found Jyck's Antique Armour Boutique.
  4048 | D:4      | Bought a creamy pearl robe for 171 gold pieces
  4058 | D:4      | Identified the cursed +1 robe of the Monk {MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  4209 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4419 | D:5      | Noticed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Killed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  4526 | D:5      | Noticed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Killed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 17/56 MP: 0/9
  4779 | D:5      | Found Yhehich's Serpentskin Sales.
  4812 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Necromancy
  4819 | D:5      | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
  5115 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5155 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5694 | D:5      | Found Orumusee's Armour Emporium.
  5699 | D:5      | Bought a +0 buckler for 67 gold pieces
  5876 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  5876 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/66 MP: 0/10
  6120 | D:6      | Reached skill level 7 in Necromancy
  6359 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6585 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Necromancy
  6723 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 72/72 MP: 10/12
  6932 | D:7      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7189 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7196 | D:7      | Learned a level 5 spell: Borgnjor's Vile Clutch
  7388 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
  7643 | D:8      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  8015 | D:8      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  8264 | D:8      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8272 | D:8      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  8279 | D:8      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  8356 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  8585 | D:8      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  9056 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  9207 | D:9      | Got an ancient golden ring
  9208 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  9216 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  9383 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  9434 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 78/80 MP: 14/14
  9527 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9584 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  9741 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  9788 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9900 | D:9      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
 10463 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 10628 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10688 | D:10     | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
 11435 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
 11848 | D:10     | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 11874 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 85/85 MP: 16/16
 12066 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
 12329 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 12553 | D:5      | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 220 gold pieces
 12850 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12859 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12902 | D:10     | Reached skill level 9 in Necromancy
 13095 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13698 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
 13894 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy
 14277 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 14293 | Lair:2   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 14322 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 14734 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Reached XP level 12. HP: 93/93 MP: 19/19
 14771 | Lab      | Got a brightly glowing great mace {crush}
 14782 | Lab      | Got a bloodstained dagger
 14870 | Lair:2   | Found a dark tunnel.
 14891 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 15131 | Volcano  | Reached skill level 11 in Necromancy
 15446 | Lair:2   | Identified the +8 great mace of Kiunyppe {crush, rN+ MP+9} (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
 15447 | Lair:2   | Identified the cursed +0 dagger of Aluawy {pierce, rC+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 |
---------------+-------------------------------------+-----
Stealth        |     2                               |  2.0
Necromancy     |        5           6  8       10 11 | 11.0
Dodging        |           2        3     5          |  5.7
Short Blades   |           1  3  4        5  8       |  8.0
Fighting       |                 2  3  4  5        6 |  6.0
Shields        |                    1  4             |  4.2
Spellcasting   |                       2  3          |  3.0
Earth Magic    |                          3  5  8  9 |  9.0
Invocations    |                          3  7 10    | 10.0

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    50 |   143 |   206 |    45 ||   444
       Quick blade       |       |       |    76 |   842 ||   918
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |       |     8 ||     8
       Hand crossbow     |       |       |       |    23 ||    23
Throw: Stone             |    68 |    86 |    69 |       ||   223
       Javelin           |       |       |    19 |    36 ||    55
       Tomahawk          |       |       |    10 |     5 ||    15
       Throwing net      |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
 Cast: Pain              |    22 |    24 |    30 |    16 ||    92
       Animate Skeleton  |     3 |    12 |    15 |    21 ||    51
       Vampiric Draining |       |     2 |     5 |    28 ||    35
       Animate Dead      |       |       |     9 |    18 ||    27
       Borgnjor's Vile C |       |       |       |     4 ||     4
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |       |    34 ||    34
       Lesser Servant of |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |    18 ||    20
  Use: Scroll            |     5 |       |    19 |     7 ||    31
       Potion            |     1 |     1 |     1 |     5 ||     8
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |     1 |     5 |     4 ||    10
       Paralysed         |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
       Confused          |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     9 |    18 |    19 ||    49
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |     3 ||     4
Armor: Robe              |    13 |    45 |    64 |    46 ||   168
       Skin              |       |       |    18 |   203 ||   221
       Troll leather arm |       |       |       |    42 ||    42
       Leather armour    |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Dodge: Dodged            |    30 |   114 |   130 |   238 ||   512
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    48 |   140 ||   188
Rpst.: Scimitar          |       |       |       |     1 ||     1

Won (52). Remaining (15): 5 species: Ba, Fe, Mu, Na, Op; 5 Backgrounds: AM, Wr, Su, AE, Ar; 5 gods: Jiyv, newNem, WJC, newSif, newFedh

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Post Sunday, 4th March 2018, 20:40

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

The RNG has spoken: Maces.

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Post Sunday, 4th March 2018, 21:48

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Thanks Airwolf. In the interim I had decided to train LBl slightly to get it from 5.4 to 6, and then use the scimitar while boosting my defenses and invocations more. Then when those are at a good place, train maces.
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Post Monday, 5th March 2018, 01:36

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

MainiacJoe wrote:Thanks Airwolf. In the interim I had decided to train LBl slightly to get it from 5.4 to 6, and then use the scimitar while boosting my defenses and invocations more. Then when those are at a good place, train maces.


That seems like a fine plan.

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Post Monday, 5th March 2018, 20:47

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Airwolf wrote:
MainiacJoe wrote:Thanks Airwolf. In the interim I had decided to train LBl slightly to get it from 5.4 to 6, and then use the scimitar while boosting my defenses and invocations more. Then when those are at a good place, train maces.


That seems like a fine plan.
Turns out via fsim that the quick blade was better even than the +4 scimitar. So I'm not going to bother with LBl at all. And I found that Vile Clutch is really strong in Lair but my rations are getting low, so I'm training some Spellcasting so I can spam it.
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Post Monday, 5th March 2018, 20:57

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

I never have an intention to transition out of short blades until vaults. If you have a decent quick blade and a bit of +slay, you'll never have to transition out of short blades at all.

Alternatively, shortblades into magical staves is a natural progression for characters that use spells to deal with anything threatening.

Better defenses with good cheap weapon and constructive spells feels way better than an early crosstrain for a marginally better weapon in my experiences.

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Post Monday, 5th March 2018, 21:59

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Here is the character thus far, having finished Lair. The quick blade has been plenty effective and I feel no need to replace it anytime soon. S branches are Spider and Shoals. ?BW is one of three remaining unID'd scrolls. I found the Book of Death in the L:6 vault so I feel strong at the moment. I'm learning to get better synergy out of my necromancy spells. Orc next.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

MainiacJoe the Pandemonic (Hill Orc Necromancer)   Turns: 21281, Time: 02:51:08

HP:   117/117 (118) AC: 14    Str: 18    XL:     14   Next: 27%
MP:   26/26         EV: 16    Int: 16    God:    Makhleb [*****.]
Gold: 723           SH:  5    Dex: 13    Spells: 1/29 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   b - +6 quick blade
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   s - +0 buckler
rNeg     . . .     Faith    +   I - +0 troll leather armour
rPois    +         Spirit   .   e - +2 helmet
rElec    .         Reflect  .   r - +0 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   W - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
MR       +....                  L - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    ++........             v - amulet of faith
HPRegen  0.69/turn              p - +2 ring of dexterity
MPRegen  0.20/turn              t - ring of poison resistance

@: no status effects
A: no striking features
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano.

You have collected 1181 gold pieces.
You have spent 458 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 b - a +6 quick blade (weapon)
Missiles
 k - 6 javelins (quivered)
 m - 271 arrows
 n - 6 tomahawks of returning
 o - 3 tomahawks
 A - 13 poisoned needles
 Z - 7 silver tomahawks
Armour
 e - a +2 helmet (worn)
 r - a +0 cloak (worn)
 s - a +0 buckler (worn)
 I - a +0 troll leather armour (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 W - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
Magical Staves
 a - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Jewellery
 p - a +2 ring of dexterity (left hand)
 t - a ring of poison resistance (right hand)
 v - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 O - the ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+, =R}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your dexterity (+7).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 T - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 V - a runed fluorescent amulet
Wands
 x - a wand of clouds (9)
 y - a wand of paralysis (6)
 z - a wand of scattershot (4)
 C - a wand of enslavement (14)
 N - a wand of flame (26)
 P - a wand of iceblast (15)
 Y - a wand of acid (8)
Scrolls
 c - a scroll of immolation
 d - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 g - 4 scrolls of amnesia
 h - 8 scrolls of remove curse
 q - 2 scrolls of blinking
 F - a scroll of holy word
 G - 3 scrolls of fog
 J - 3 scrolls of identify
 K - 2 scrolls of summoning
 M - 5 scrolls of fear
Potions
 i - a potion of brilliance
 j - 3 potions of resistance
 l - 8 potions of curing
 u - 5 potions of berserk rage
 w - a potion of ambrosia
 D - a potion of agility
 E - 2 potions of heal wounds
 H - 5 potions of lignification
 Q - 3 potions of might
Books
 B - a book of Battle   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Infusion                     Charms                        1
    b - Shroud of Golubria           Charms/Translocation          2
    c - Song of Slaying              Charms                        2
    d - Spectral Weapon              Hexes/Charms                  3
    e - Regeneration                 Charms/Necromancy             3
 U - a book of Death   
   
    Spells                           Type                      Level
    a - Corpse Rot                   Necromancy                    2
    b - Sublimation of Blood         Necromancy                    2
    c - Agony                        Necromancy                    5
    d - Dispel Undead                Necromancy                    5
    e - Excruciating Wounds          Charms/Necromancy             5
    f - Bolt of Draining             Conjuration/Necromancy        5
Comestibles
 f - 17 rations


   Skills:
 + Level 9.5 Fighting
 - Level 8.0 Short Blades
 + Level 8.0 Dodging
 - Level 2.0 Stealth
 - Level 4.2 Shields
 - Level 8.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 11.0 Necromancy
 - Level 9.0 Earth Magic
 + Level 12.4 Invocations


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Pain                  Necr           ####         1%          1    None
b - Sticks to Snakes      Tmut           #.......     21%         2    None
c - Borgnjor's Vile Clut  Necr/Erth      #####.....   6%          5    #####..
d - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          1%          4    ####...
e - Agony                 Necr           #####...     4%          5    #####..
g - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           #####.....   1%          2    None
s - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None
u - Dispel Undead         Necr           #####...     4%          5    #####..
v - Vampiric Draining     Necr           #####.....   1%          3    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:10
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:2       Spider (0/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (0/2) D:9         

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:4 [   D:5 [*

Annotations:
Lair:1 beehive dig

Message History

Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Memorise Agony, consuming 5 spell levels and leaving 8?
You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising. x5
You finish memorising. Spell assigned to 'e'.
Memorise Dispel Undead, consuming 5 spell levels and leaving 3?
You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising. x5
You finish memorising. Spell assigned to 'f'.
Memorise Sublimation of Blood, consuming 2 spell levels and leaving 1?
You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising. x2
You finish memorising. Spell assigned to 'g'.
Adjust (i)tems, (s)pells, or (a)bilities?
Adjust which spell?
f - Dispel Undead
Adjust to which letter?
u - Dispel Undead
Okay, then.
Search for what [? for help]? pain
Search for what [Enter for "pain", or ? for help]? gold
Okay, then.
Saving game... please wait.

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You can see a friendly elephant zombie.

Vanquished Creatures
  A dire elephant (Lair:6)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  A hydra (Lair:3)
  An anaconda (Lair:6)
  3 two-headed ogres (D:10)
  4 death yaks (Lair:6)
  Urug (Lair:3)
  2 lindwurms (Volcano)
  3 elephants (Lair:6)
  3 black mambas
  Psyche (D:9)
  2 molten gargoyles (Volcano)
  7 spiny frogs
  5 komodo dragons
  An efreet (Volcano)
  2 trolls (D:10)
  A merfolk (D:10)
  A hornet (D:10)
  A polar bear (Lair:6)
  10 blink frogs
  5 hippogriffs
  2 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  34 yaks
  2 hogs
  4 fire elementals (Volcano)
  3 fire bats (Lair:2)
  2 wyverns (D:10)
  3 basilisks
  An acid dragon (D:10)
  6 water moccasins
  2 ice beasts
  4 orc warriors
  8 black bears
  3 sky beasts
  2 phantoms
  A necrophage (D:9)
  10 wolves
  6 ogres
  4 centaurs
  5 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds (D:10)
  3 earth elementals (Volcano)
  15 bullfrogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:10)
  3 scorpions
  33 killer bees
  A howler monkey (D:5)
  14 electric eels
  4 crimson imps
  A centaur zombie (D:7)
  A jelly (Lair:5)
  2 centaur skeletons
  3 hounds
  3 orc priests
  2 gnoll shamans (D:10)
  3 bullfrog skeletons
  An iguana (D:6)
  7 orc wizards
  3 worker ants
  2 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:8)
  8 adders
  A shadow imp (D:6)
  2 worms (D:2)
  A dart slug (D:3)
  4 leopard geckos
  23 orcs
  A ball python (D:5)
  7 bats
  7 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  6 hobgoblins
  14 jackals
  11 kobolds
  3 quokkas
  5 frilled lizards
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:5)
  A quokka zombie (D:7)
  9 rats
  A spectral orc (D:9)
  3 fungi (Lair:6)
  8 plants
387 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  4 dire elephants (Lair:6)
  A hydra (Lair:6)
  5 death yaks (Lair:6)
  6 elephants (Lair:6)
  A molten gargoyle (Volcano)
  3 spiny frogs
  An efreet (Volcano)
  A troll (D:10)
  2 blink frogs (Lair:6)
  4 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  A hippogriff (Lair:5)
  6 yaks (Lair:6)
  A basilisk (Lair:6)
  2 hungry ghosts
  4 porcupines
  2 water moccasins
  5 black bears
  3 wolves (Lair:5)
  2 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:7)
  2 bullfrogs
  24 killer bees
  A bullfrog zombie (D:10)
  A crimson imp (D:7)
  A centaur zombie (D:7)
  4 jellies
  A shadow imp (D:6)
  2 oozes (Lair:5)
  An adder zombie (D:7)
  An adder skeleton (D:3)
  3 orcs (D:10)
  A giant cockroach (D:2)
  3 hobgoblins
  3 jackals
  2 kobolds
  A goblin (D:2)
  10 fungi
  6 plants
122 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A sky beast (D:7)
  2 fire vortices (Volcano)
  8 fungi
  11 plants
22 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 531 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | MainiacJoe the Hill Orc Necromancer began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3
     2 | D:1      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
   500 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 4/4
  1233 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 5/5
  1238 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
  1870 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
  1870 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 27/33 MP: 0/6
  2386 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  2387 | D:2      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  2637 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  2968 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3014 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
  3014 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 36/39 MP: 3/7
  3113 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  3333 | D:3      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  3797 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 16/46 MP: 3/8
  4044 | D:4      | Found Jyck's Antique Armour Boutique.
  4048 | D:4      | Bought a creamy pearl robe for 171 gold pieces
  4058 | D:4      | Identified the cursed +1 robe of the Monk {MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  4209 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4419 | D:5      | Noticed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Killed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  4526 | D:5      | Noticed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Killed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 17/56 MP: 0/9
  4779 | D:5      | Found Yhehich's Serpentskin Sales.
  4819 | D:5      | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
  5115 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5155 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5694 | D:5      | Found Orumusee's Armour Emporium.
  5699 | D:5      | Bought a +0 buckler for 67 gold pieces
  5876 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  5876 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/66 MP: 0/10
  6359 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6723 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 72/72 MP: 10/12
  6932 | D:7      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7189 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7196 | D:7      | Learned a level 5 spell: Borgnjor's Vile Clutch
  7388 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
  7643 | D:8      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  8015 | D:8      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  8264 | D:8      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8272 | D:8      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  8279 | D:8      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  8356 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  8585 | D:8      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  9056 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  9207 | D:9      | Got an ancient golden ring
  9208 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  9216 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  9216 | D:9      | Reached skill level 2 in Invocations
  9383 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  9403 | D:9      | Reached skill level 3 in Invocations
  9434 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 78/80 MP: 14/14
  9527 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9584 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  9741 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  9788 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9900 | D:9      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
  9900 | D:9      | Reached skill level 4 in Invocations
 10463 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 10628 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10688 | D:10     | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
 11162 | D:10     | Reached skill level 6 in Invocations
 11435 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
 11688 | D:10     | Reached skill level 7 in Invocations
 11848 | D:10     | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 11874 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 85/85 MP: 16/16
 11887 | D:10     | Reached skill level 8 in Invocations
 12066 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
 12292 | D:10     | Reached skill level 9 in Invocations
 12329 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 12553 | D:5      | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 220 gold pieces
 12850 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12859 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 13095 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13698 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
 13894 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy
 14277 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 14293 | Lair:2   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 14322 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 14734 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Reached XP level 12. HP: 93/93 MP: 19/19
 14771 | Lab      | Got a brightly glowing great mace {crush}
 14782 | Lab      | Got a bloodstained dagger
 14870 | Lair:2   | Found a dark tunnel.
 14891 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 15446 | Lair:2   | Identified the +8 great mace of Kiunyppe {crush, rN+ MP+9} (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
 15447 | Lair:2   | Identified the cursed +0 dagger of Aluawy {pierce, rC+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 17008 | Lair:3   | Noticed Urug
 17051 | Lair:3   | Killed Urug
 17051 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 17276 | Lair:3   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 17284 | Lair:3   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 17284 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 101/101 MP: 10/21
 17613 | D:10     | Learned a level 2 spell: Sticks to Snakes
 18140 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 18512 | Lair:5   | Found a runed door.
 18512 | Lair:5   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 18513 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 19361 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 19465 | Lair:6   | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb
 19766 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 11 in Invocations
 20134 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/115 MP: 1/26
 20934 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20934 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20940 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20961 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 20961 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 12 in Invocations
 20962 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 20986 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21053 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21073 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21079 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21094 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21272 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 5 spell: Agony
 21278 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 5 spell: Dispel Undead
 21281 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 2 spell: Sublimation of Blood

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------+-----
Stealth        |     2                                     |  2.0
Necromancy     |        5           6  8       10 11       | 11.0
Dodging        |           2        3     5        6  7  8 |  8.0
Short Blades   |           1  3  4        5  8             |  8.0
Fighting       |                 2  3  4  5        6  8  9 |  9.5
Shields        |                    1  4                   |  4.2
Spellcasting   |                       2  3        5  8    |  8.0
Earth Magic    |                          3  5  8  9       |  9.0
Invocations    |                          3  7 10    11 12 | 12.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    50 |   143 |   206 |    45 |       ||   444
       Quick blade       |       |       |    76 |   896 |   483 ||  1455
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |     6 |       ||     6
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |       |     8 |       ||     8
       Hand crossbow     |       |       |       |    36 |     4 ||    40
Throw: Stone             |    68 |    86 |    69 |       |       ||   223
       Javelin           |       |       |    19 |    44 |    20 ||    83
       Tomahawk          |       |       |    10 |     5 |       ||    15
       Throwing net      |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Cast: Pain              |    22 |    24 |    30 |    30 |     1 ||   107
       Animate Skeleton  |     3 |    12 |    15 |    29 |    20 ||    79
       Vampiric Draining |       |     2 |     5 |    28 |    25 ||    60
       Animate Dead      |       |       |     9 |    22 |    15 ||    46
       Borgnjor's Vile C |       |       |       |    30 |    20 ||    50
       Sticks to Snakes  |       |       |       |       |    11 ||    11
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |       |    34 |     5 ||    39
       Lesser Servant of |       |       |       |     6 |     5 ||    11
       Major Destruction |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |    23 |     2 ||    27
  Use: Scroll            |     5 |       |    19 |    10 |     5 ||    39
       Potion            |     1 |     1 |     1 |     6 |       ||     9
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |     1 |     5 |     4 |     1 ||    11
       Paralysed         |       |       |     2 |     3 |     2 ||     7
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     3 |     1 ||     4
       Confused          |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     9 |    18 |    27 |    15 ||    72
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |     6 |     2 ||     9
Armor: Robe              |    13 |    45 |    64 |    46 |       ||   168
       Skin              |       |       |    18 |   203 |       ||   221
       Troll leather arm |       |       |       |    56 |    75 ||   131
       Leather armour    |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Dodge: Dodged            |    30 |   114 |   130 |   263 |   131 ||   668
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    48 |   147 |    43 ||   238
Rpst.: Scimitar          |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1



What do I have to do in 0.21 to clear the elephant statue blocking loot at the edge of the anaconda/dire elephant L:$ vault? Dig, or disintegrate? I don't have either wand right now. There's a shiny ice dragon scales behind it, so it's not like I have to get at that right away if ever.
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Post Monday, 5th March 2018, 22:42

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

I think wand of digging breaks statues now

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Post Tuesday, 6th March 2018, 05:19

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Excruciating Wounds will make that quick blade really shine!

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Post Tuesday, 6th March 2018, 07:14

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Indeed. Quick blade of pain is ridiculous.

Btw, I don't know why Excruciating Wounds exists. All other branding spells are removed.

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Post Tuesday, 6th March 2018, 08:14

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

bel wrote:Btw, I don't know why Excruciating Wounds exists.

Also, the name of the spell is really misleading.
DCSS: 97:...MfCj}SpNeBaEEGrFE{HaAKTrCK}DsFESpHu{FoArNaBe}
FeEE{HOIEMiAE}GrGlHuWrGnWrNaAKBaFi{MiDeMfDe}{DrAKTrAMGhEnGnWz}
{PaBeDjFi}OgAKPaCAGnCjOgCKMfAEAtCKSpCjDEEE{HOSu
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Post Tuesday, 6th March 2018, 10:43

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

bel wrote:Indeed. Quick blade of pain is ridiculous.

Btw, I don't know why Excruciating Wounds exists. All other branding spells are removed.

Probably because the Necromancy school is so underpowered nowadays.


In the near future, I'm most worried about skeletal monsters. I've had good success against tough natural monsters, so I don't regret getting Dispel Undead before Excruciating Wounds. But Pain is obsolete and Sticks to Snakes just hasn't done what I'd hoped it would and I have enough ?Amn, so I'm just one XP level away from being able to add EW.
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Post Wednesday, 7th March 2018, 02:00

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Finished Orc and Dungeon.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

MainiacJoe the Champion of Chaos (HONe)            Turns: 31273, Time: 04:00:28

HP:   134/134 (135) AC: 15    Str: 18    XL:     16   Next: 12%
MP:   29/29         EV: 21    Int: 17    God:    Makhleb [******]
Gold: 360           SH:  6    Dex: 21    Spells: 4/34 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   a - +7 quick blade
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   s - +0 buckler
rNeg     + . .     Faith    +   T - +2 robe {MR+}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   e - +2 helmet
rElec    .         Reflect  .   r - +0 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   N - +1 pair of gloves "Wituri Kily" {rN+ Regen+ Dex+6}
MR       ++...                  L - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    +++.......             v - amulet of faith
HPRegen  0.72/turn              t - ring of poison resistance
MPRegen  0.21/turn              X - +4 ring of dexterity

@: no status effects
A: thin metallic scales 1, strong 1, evolution 1
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You are on level 15 of the Dungeon.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano.

You have collected 2161 gold pieces.
You have spent 1801 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +7 quick blade (weapon)
 b - a +0 blowgun
Missiles
 k - 12 javelins (quivered)
 n - 6 tomahawks of returning
 o - 24 tomahawks
 A - 37 poisoned needles
 B - 8 curare-tipped needles
 V - 31 arrows
 Z - 7 silver tomahawks
Armour
 e - a +2 helmet (worn)
 r - a +0 cloak (worn)
 s - a +0 buckler (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 N - the +1 pair of gloves "Wituri Kily" (worn) {rN+ Regen+ Dex+6}
   (You found it on level 15 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+6).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 T - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn)
Magical Staves
 W - an uncursed staff of power
Jewellery
 t - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 v - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 O - the ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+, =R}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your dexterity (+7).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 X - a +4 ring of dexterity (right hand)
Wands
 p - a wand of digging (8)
 x - a wand of clouds (9)
 y - a wand of paralysis (6)
 z - a wand of scattershot (4)
 C - a wand of enslavement (11)
 P - a wand of iceblast (21)
 Y - a wand of acid (8)
Scrolls
 c - 2 scrolls of immolation
 d - 9 scrolls of teleportation
 g - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 h - 8 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 q - 2 scrolls of blinking
 F - a scroll of holy word
 G - 3 scrolls of fog
 J - a scroll of identify
 K - 2 scrolls of summoning
 M - 5 scrolls of fear
Potions
 i - a potion of brilliance
 j - 3 potions of resistance
 l - 8 potions of curing
 u - 5 potions of berserk rage
 D - a potion of agility
 E - 6 potions of heal wounds
 H - 5 potions of lignification
 I - 2 potions of haste
 Q - 5 potions of might
 R - 3 potions of flight
 S - a potion of ambrosia
 U - a potion of cancellation
Comestibles
 f - 17 rations
 w - a chunk of flesh


   Skills:
 + Level 10.5 Fighting
 - Level 8.0 Short Blades
 + Level 10.2 Dodging
 - Level 3.6 Stealth
 - Level 4.2 Shields
 - Level 9.5 Spellcasting
 - Level 6.0 Charms
 - Level 11.0 Necromancy
 - Level 9.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 15.0 Invocations
 + Level 1.6 Evocations


You have 4 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           #####.....   1%          2    None
c - Borgnjor's Vile Clut  Necr/Erth      #####.....   4%          5    #####..
d - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          1%          4    ###....
e - Agony                 Necr           #####...     2%          5    #####..
s - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None
u - Dispel Undead         Necr           #####...     2%          5    #####..
v - Vampiric Draining     Necr           #####.....   1%          3    None
w - Excruciating Wounds   Chrm/Necr      #####.....   8%          5    #####..


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:10
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:2       Spider (0/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:9             Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:4 [   D:5 [*   D:11 *%?[   D:12 [   D:13 (   Orc:2 }%%(!

Annotations:
Lair:1 beehive dig
Lair:6 statue dig IDA


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2)
Your muscles are strong. (Str +2)
You evolve.


Message History

You are no longer poisoned.
You swap places.
HP restored.
You open the door.
There is an open door here.
Done exploring.
Saving game... please wait.
Welcome back, MainiacJoe the Hill Orc Necromancer.
Blood and souls for Makhleb!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
Done exploring.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Remove which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You remove the ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+, =R}.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
t - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
Saving game... please wait.

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You can see a friendly ogre skeleton.

Vanquished Creatures
  A fire giant (D:13)
  Nessos (D:15)
  2 dire elephants (Lair:6)
  An ettin (Orc:1)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  An ice dragon (D:13)
  Erolcha (Orc:1)
  2 hydras
  An anaconda (Lair:6)
  3 centaur warriors (D:13)
  A death knight (D:14)
  An ogre mage (D:15)
  2 dancing weapons (D:13)
  6 two-headed ogres
  A tengu warrior (D:13)
  3 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  4 death yaks (Lair:6)
  Urug (Lair:3)
  5 skeletal warriors (D:14)
  3 unseen horrors
  A wizard (D:15)
  8 orc knights
  A phantasmal warrior (D:13)
  2 lindwurms (Volcano)
  7 manticores
  6 orc sorcerers
  3 elephants (Lair:6)
  2 ugly things
  2 cyclopes (D:13)
  2 deep elf magi
  A naga mage (D:15)
  3 black mambas
  Psyche (D:9)
  2 molten gargoyles (Volcano)
  A gargoyle (D:13)
  7 spiny frogs
  5 komodo dragons
  A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  3 efreet
  7 trolls
  A troll (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  A merfolk (D:10)
  A hornet (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  4 hornets
  A polar bear (Lair:6)
  10 blink frogs
  8 hippogriffs
  2 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  2 shadows
  39 yaks
  2 hogs
  4 fire elementals (Volcano)
  3 fire bats (Lair:2)
  A vampire (D:14)
  4 wyverns
  4 basilisks
  2 hungry ghosts
  A soldier ant (D:12)
  3 acid dragons
  7 water moccasins
  3 wargs (Orc:1)
  3 ice beasts
  24 orc warriors
  8 black bears
  7 sky beasts
  3 phantoms
  A necrophage (D:9)
  10 wolves
  18 ogres
  13 centaurs
  5 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  3 earth elementals (Volcano)
  20 bullfrogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:10)
  A wyvern zombie (D:12)
  3 scorpions
  42 killer bees
  A wight (D:13)
  2 howler monkeys
  14 electric eels
  6 crimson imps
  A quasit (D:15)
  4 centaur zombies
  A jelly (Lair:5)
  5 centaur skeletons
  7 hounds
  19 orc priests
  2 gnoll shamans (D:10)
  4 bullfrog skeletons
  3 iguanas
  30 orc wizards
  7 worker ants
  2 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:8)
  11 adders
  3 shadow imps
  2 worms (D:2)
  A dart slug (D:3)
  4 leopard geckos
  67 orcs
  A ball python (D:5)
  7 bats
  7 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  6 hobgoblins
  14 jackals
  11 kobolds
  3 quokkas
  5 frilled lizards
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:5)
  A quokka zombie (D:7)
  9 rats
  A spectral orc (D:9)
  3 fungi (Lair:6)
  8 plants
656 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A war gargoyle (D:13)
  4 dire elephants (Lair:6)
  2 hydras
  Sonja (Orc:2)
  An ogre mage (D:15)
  3 two-headed ogres (D:15)
  5 death yaks (Lair:6)
  Nergalle (Orc:1)
  An obsidian statue (D:15)
  An orc sorcerer (D:15)
  An ugly thing (D:12)
  6 elephants (Lair:6)
  A molten gargoyle (Volcano)
  3 spiny frogs
  An efreet (Volcano)
  A troll (D:10)
  2 blink frogs (Lair:6)
  4 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  A hippogriff (Lair:5)
  A shadow (D:15)
  6 yaks (Lair:6)
  A basilisk (Lair:6)
  3 hungry ghosts
  2 vampire mosquitoes (D:15)
  A warg (Orc:2)
  An acid dragon (D:12)
  4 porcupines
  2 water moccasins
  5 black bears
  2 orc warriors
  2 ogres (Orc:1)
  3 wolves (Lair:5)
  2 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:7)
  4 bullfrogs
  24 killer bees
  A bullfrog zombie (D:10)
  A crimson imp (D:7)
  3 centaur zombies
  An orc priest (Orc:1)
  4 jellies
  4 orc wizards
  An iguana (D:14)
  An adder (D:12)
  2 shadow imps
  2 oozes (Lair:5)
  An adder zombie (D:7)
  An adder skeleton (D:3)
  6 orcs
  A giant cockroach (D:2)
  3 hobgoblins
  3 jackals
  2 kobolds
  A goblin (D:2)
  10 fungi
  6 plants
158 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A wizard (D:15)
  A vampire (D:13)
  A sky beast (D:7)
  A shadow imp (D:14)
  3 orcs
  2 fire vortices (Volcano)
  8 fungi
  11 plants
28 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 842 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | MainiacJoe the Hill Orc Necromancer began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3
     2 | D:1      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
   500 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 4/4
  1233 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 5/5
  1238 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
  1870 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
  1870 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 27/33 MP: 0/6
  2386 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  2387 | D:2      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  2637 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  2968 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3014 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
  3014 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 36/39 MP: 3/7
  3113 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  3333 | D:3      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  3797 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 16/46 MP: 3/8
  4044 | D:4      | Found Jyck's Antique Armour Boutique.
  4048 | D:4      | Bought a creamy pearl robe for 171 gold pieces
  4058 | D:4      | Identified the cursed +1 robe of the Monk {MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  4209 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4419 | D:5      | Noticed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Killed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  4526 | D:5      | Noticed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Killed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 17/56 MP: 0/9
  4779 | D:5      | Found Yhehich's Serpentskin Sales.
  4819 | D:5      | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
  5115 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5155 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5694 | D:5      | Found Orumusee's Armour Emporium.
  5699 | D:5      | Bought a +0 buckler for 67 gold pieces
  5876 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  5876 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/66 MP: 0/10
  6359 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6723 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 72/72 MP: 10/12
  6932 | D:7      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7189 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7196 | D:7      | Learned a level 5 spell: Borgnjor's Vile Clutch
  7388 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
  7643 | D:8      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  8015 | D:8      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  8264 | D:8      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8272 | D:8      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  8279 | D:8      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  8356 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  8585 | D:8      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  9056 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  9207 | D:9      | Got an ancient golden ring
  9208 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  9216 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  9216 | D:9      | Reached skill level 2 in Invocations
  9383 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  9403 | D:9      | Reached skill level 3 in Invocations
  9434 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 78/80 MP: 14/14
  9527 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9584 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  9741 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  9788 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9900 | D:9      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
  9900 | D:9      | Reached skill level 4 in Invocations
 10463 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 10628 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10688 | D:10     | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
 11162 | D:10     | Reached skill level 6 in Invocations
 11435 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
 11688 | D:10     | Reached skill level 7 in Invocations
 11848 | D:10     | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 11874 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 85/85 MP: 16/16
 11887 | D:10     | Reached skill level 8 in Invocations
 12066 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
 12292 | D:10     | Reached skill level 9 in Invocations
 12329 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 12553 | D:5      | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 220 gold pieces
 12850 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12859 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 13095 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13698 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
 13894 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy
 14277 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 14293 | Lair:2   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 14322 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 14734 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Reached XP level 12. HP: 93/93 MP: 19/19
 14771 | Lab      | Got a brightly glowing great mace {crush}
 14782 | Lab      | Got a bloodstained dagger
 14870 | Lair:2   | Found a dark tunnel.
 14891 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 15446 | Lair:2   | Identified the +8 great mace of Kiunyppe {crush, rN+ MP+9} (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
 15447 | Lair:2   | Identified the cursed +0 dagger of Aluawy {pierce, rC+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 17008 | Lair:3   | Noticed Urug
 17051 | Lair:3   | Killed Urug
 17051 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 17276 | Lair:3   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 17284 | Lair:3   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 17284 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 101/101 MP: 10/21
 17613 | D:10     | Learned a level 2 spell: Sticks to Snakes
 18140 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 18512 | Lair:5   | Found a runed door.
 18512 | Lair:5   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 18513 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 19361 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 19465 | Lair:6   | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb
 19766 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 11 in Invocations
 20134 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/115 MP: 1/26
 20934 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20934 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20940 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20961 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 20961 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 12 in Invocations
 20962 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 20986 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21053 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21073 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21079 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21094 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21272 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 5 spell: Agony
 21278 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 5 spell: Dispel Undead
 21281 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 2 spell: Sublimation of Blood
 21318 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21370 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21682 | D:11     | Found Osim's Assorted Antiques.
 21684 | D:11     | Found Imogomee's Food Shop.
 21692 | D:11     | Bought an emerald potion for 23 gold pieces
 21831 | D:11     | Found Leecason's Magic Scroll Shop.
 22133 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 22241 | D:11     | Found Oheakh's Antique Armour Boutique.
 22686 | D:11     | Reached ****** piety under Makhleb
 22686 | D:11     | Reached skill level 13 in Invocations
 23102 | D:12     | Identified the +3 ring mail "Huycaono" {rC+ Str+2 Int+3} (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 23374 | D:12     | Found Gotufismif's Armour Emporium.
 23535 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 23832 | Orc:1    | Noticed Nergalle
 23832 | Orc:1    | Noticed Erolcha
 23843 | Orc:1    | Killed Nergalle
 23854 | Orc:1    | Killed Erolcha
 24641 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 24641 | Orc:2    | Noticed Sonja
 24676 | Orc:2    | Killed Sonja
 24691 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 6 turns
 24701 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 14 in Invocations
 24879 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 24895 | Orc:2    | Found Qexutrur's Gadget Shoppe.
 25642 | Orc:1    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 107/125 MP: 16/27
 25730 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 3 turns
 25820 | Orc:2    | Found Eporir's Food Boutique.
 25820 | Orc:2    | Found Tunnua's Food Boutique.
 25821 | Orc:2    | Found Epabyje's Distillery.
 25821 | Orc:2    | Found Akit's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 25886 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of mutation for 96 gold pieces
 25886 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: Scrolls take you a little longer to read. [potion of mutation]
 25886 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: You evolve. [potion of mutation]
 25886 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: You are covered in fur. (AC +1) [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of mutation for 96 gold pieces
 25887 | Orc:2    | Lost mutation: You are covered in fur. (AC +1) [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Lost mutation: Scrolls take you a little longer to read. [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
 25894 | Orc:2    | Learned a level 5 spell: Excruciating Wounds
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of might for 48 gold pieces
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 60 gold pieces
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 60 gold pieces
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of might for 48 gold pieces
 26188 | D:11     | Bought a dog-eared leatherbound book for 390 gold pieces
 26324 | Orc:2    | Bought a wand of digging (10) for 392 gold pieces
 26455 | D:11     | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 130 gold pieces
 26551 | D:13     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 26662 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 26679 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 26708 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 26785 | D:13     | Reached skill level 15 in Invocations
 26854 | D:13     | Found Jeann's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 27962 | D:13     | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 28183 | D:13     | Noticed a fire giant
 28193 | D:13     | Killed a fire giant
 29584 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 29952 | D:15     | Noticed Nessos
 30640 | D:15     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 126/133 MP: 18/29
 30916 | D:15     | Killed Nessos
 31009 | D:15     | Identified the +1 pair of gloves "Wituri Kily" {rN+ Regen+ Dex+6} (You found it on level 15 of the Dungeon)
 31150 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 31179 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------------+-----
Stealth        |     2                                         3 |  3.6
Necromancy     |        5           6  8       10 11             | 11.0
Dodging        |           2        3     5        6  7  9 10    | 10.2
Short Blades   |           1  3  4        5  8                   |  8.0
Fighting       |                 2  3  4  5        6  8 10       | 10.5
Shields        |                    1  4                         |  4.2
Spellcasting   |                       2  3        5  8     9    |  9.5
Earth Magic    |                          3  5  8  9             |  9.0
Invocations    |                          3  7 10    11 14 15    | 15.0
Charms         |                                            6    |  6.0
Evocations     |                                               1 |  1.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    50 |   143 |   206 |    45 |       |       ||   444
       Quick blade       |       |       |    76 |   896 |  1823 |    86 ||  2881
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |     6 |       |       ||     6
       Staff             |       |       |       |       |     7 |       ||     7
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |       |     8 |     6 |       ||    14
       Hand crossbow     |       |       |       |    36 |     4 |       ||    40
Throw: Stone             |    68 |    86 |    69 |       |       |       ||   223
       Javelin           |       |       |    19 |    44 |   116 |     3 ||   182
       Tomahawk          |       |       |    10 |     5 |     2 |       ||    17
       Throwing net      |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
 Cast: Pain              |    22 |    24 |    30 |    30 |     1 |       ||   107
       Animate Skeleton  |     3 |    12 |    15 |    29 |    39 |     1 ||    99
       Vampiric Draining |       |     2 |     5 |    28 |    31 |       ||    66
       Animate Dead      |       |       |     9 |    22 |    41 |     1 ||    73
       Borgnjor's Vile C |       |       |       |    30 |    76 |     1 ||   107
       Sticks to Snakes  |       |       |       |       |    11 |       ||    11
       Agony             |       |       |       |       |    20 |       ||    20
       Sublimation of Bl |       |       |       |       |    11 |       ||    11
       Dispel Undead     |       |       |       |       |    13 |       ||    13
       Excruciating Woun |       |       |       |       |     3 |     1 ||     4
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |       |    34 |     5 |       ||    39
       Lesser Servant of |       |       |       |     6 |    13 |     2 ||    21
       Major Destruction |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Greater Servant o |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |    23 |    12 |     1 ||    38
  Use: Scroll            |     5 |       |    19 |    10 |    16 |     1 ||    51
       Potion            |     1 |     1 |     1 |     6 |     2 |       ||    11
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |     1 |     5 |     4 |    11 |       ||    21
       Paralysed         |       |       |     2 |     3 |     2 |       ||     7
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |     3 |       |       ||     3
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     3 |     8 |       ||    11
       Confused          |       |       |       |     2 |       |       ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     9 |    18 |    27 |    43 |     4 ||   104
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |     6 |    11 |       ||    18
Armor: Robe              |    13 |    45 |    64 |    46 |    79 |     9 ||   256
       Skin              |       |       |    18 |   203 |       |       ||   221
       Troll leather arm |       |       |       |    56 |   135 |       ||   191
       Leather armour    |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Ring mail         |       |       |       |       |    37 |       ||    37
Dodge: Dodged            |    30 |   114 |   130 |   263 |   582 |    57 ||  1176
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    48 |   147 |   169 |    18 ||   382
Rpst.: Scimitar          |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1

Won (52). Remaining (15): 5 species: Ba, Fe, Mu, Na, Op; 5 Backgrounds: AM, Wr, Su, AE, Ar; 5 gods: Jiyv, newNem, WJC, newSif, newFedh

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Post Wednesday, 7th March 2018, 03:21

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Looking good. Don't underestimate Spider with low AC: use BVC etc. liberally and it shouldn't be too bad.

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Post Wednesday, 7th March 2018, 08:08

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Is there a heavier body armour? Robe is not a good idea for character with Str 18 IMHO, all those spells will remain castable in ring mail and probably even chain mail (without training any Armour). HO is the best race for casting high level spells in heavy armour by the way, just train Armour.
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Post Wednesday, 7th March 2018, 13:01

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Is there a heavier body armour? Robe is not a good idea for character with Str 18 IMHO, all those spells will remain castable in ring mail and probably even chain mail (without training any Armour). HO is the best race for casting high level spells in heavy armour by the way, just train Armour.
Not one with MR+. I was unpleasantly surprised to be paralyzed by orc sorcerers several times in Orc since I was at MR +. I was in a nice randart ring mail with +Int at the time, and you're right that I was able to cast all my spells in it with no appreciable increase in spell failure. And it was a good thing I switched to the robe, since later I met a wizard with the Banishment spell set on D:15 without SInv. I used my allies to give it very few chances at LOS to me and was very glad that Vile Clutch is smite targeted, but I did resist a spell from it once and I suspect that robe kept me out of the Abyss.

I know from the +Dex gloves in addition to being HO that I'm in very good shape for a medium armor hybrid, but was waiting until I find a non-body-armor MR source. Although now that you mention it, I was going to do Spider first anyway and it has few MR threats, so I could get away with MR + there. So yes, I'll go heavier for Spider, thank you.

It's time now to train maces, isn't it? The quick blade + EW is great, and I do have Dispel Undead for most rN+ monsters, but I need to cast EW every single combat or I'm stabbing things many times to kill them. That wizard did drop a +2 dagger of pain, but I think that as the game progresses I ought to have a better source of melee damage against high AC monsters. Do you agree?
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Post Wednesday, 7th March 2018, 14:38

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

Oh, yes, it makes sense to stay in MR robe then.

Edit. I think there are many options for melee. You have animate dead and Makhleb's servants so one option is to just stay with short blades. Another option is a good one-handed weapon, third option is some conjurations. I love Bolt of Draining with undead allies, for instance. You already have BVC, probably good enough (I haven't used it after the nerf, not sure if it's nerfed in 0.21.1).
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Post Wednesday, 7th March 2018, 17:31

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

I sure could be using Agony more, that's for sure.
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Post Saturday, 10th March 2018, 18:48

Re: CIP HONe^Makh: M&F or LBL?

I've finished Spider and Shoals and Elf:1-2, just started Vaults. I did find that non-body-armor MR+.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21.1 (tiles) character file.

MainiacJoe the Champion of Chaos (HONe)            Turns: 46670, Time: 06:27:59

Health: 160/160    AC: 23    Str: 15    XL:     19   Next: 54%
Magic:  35/44      EV: 22    Int: 23    God:    Makhleb [******]
Gold:   485        SH:  6    Dex: 20    Spells: 4/37 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis .   a - +9 quick blade
rCold    + + .     Gourm    .   s - +0 buckler
rNeg     . . .     Faith    +   w - +3 ring mail "Huycaono" {rC+ Str+2 Int+3}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   e - +2 helmet
rElec    .         Reflect  .   r - +2 cloak
rCorr    .         Harm     .   B - +2 pair of gloves of Vexation {MR+ Int+2 Dex+2}
MR       ++...                  t - +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" {rPois Regen+ MP+9} (curse)
Stlth    ++++......             v - amulet of faith
HPRegen  0.76/turn              X - ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+, =R}
MPRegen  0.29/turn              O - +2 ring of slaying

@: studying Dodging
A: thin metallic scales 1, high mp 1, strong 1, evolution 1
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Vaults.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
You are near starving.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 35 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano.

You have collected 2916 gold pieces.
You have spent 2431 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 quick blade (weapon)
 b - a +0 scimitar of pain
Missiles
 h - 16 steel javelins
 i - 16 poisoned javelins
 k - 29 javelins (quivered)
 n - 12 javelins of penetration {=f}
 W - 2 throwing nets {=f}
Armour
 e - a +2 helmet (worn)
 r - a +2 cloak (worn)
 s - a +0 buckler (worn)
 t - the cursed +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" (worn) {rPois Regen+ MP+9}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Vaults)   
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 w - the +3 ring mail "Huycaono" (worn) {rC+ Str+2 Int+3}
   (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It protects you from cold.
 B - the +2 pair of gloves of Vexation (worn) {MR+ Int+2 Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Jewellery
 v - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 O - a +2 ring of slaying (right hand)
 X - the ring of Attitude (left hand) {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+, =R}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your dexterity (+7).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Wands
 p - a wand of digging (6)
 x - a wand of clouds (6)
 y - a wand of paralysis (5)
 z - a wand of scattershot (12)
 A - a wand of flame (13)
 C - a wand of enslavement (9)
 P - a wand of iceblast (20)
 Y - a wand of acid (3)
Scrolls
 c - 3 scrolls of immolation
 d - 11 scrolls of teleportation
 g - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 m - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 q - 3 scrolls of blinking
 F - a scroll of holy word
 G - 2 scrolls of fog
 J - 5 scrolls of identify
 K - 3 scrolls of summoning
 M - 6 scrolls of fear
 N - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 T - a scroll of torment
Potions
 j - 4 potions of resistance
 l - 10 potions of curing
 u - 5 potions of berserk rage
 D - a potion of agility
 E - 5 potions of heal wounds
 H - 6 potions of lignification
 I - 3 potions of haste
 Q - 6 potions of might
 R - 3 potions of flight
 S - 3 potions of ambrosia
 U - 3 potions of cancellation
 Z - 2 potions of brilliance
Books
 V - a manual of Dodging
Miscellaneous
 o - a phantom mirror
Comestibles
 f - 22 rations


   Skills:
 - Level 12.0 Fighting
 - Level 8.0 Short Blades
 + Level 8.6 Armour
 + Level 14.3 Dodging
 - Level 8.0 Stealth
 - Level 4.2 Shields
 - Level 9.5 Spellcasting
 - Level 6.0 Charms
 * Level 14.8 Necromancy
 - Level 9.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 17.0 Invocations
 - Level 8.0 Evocations


You have 4 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ######....   1%          2    None
c - Borgnjor's Vile Clut  Necr/Erth      ######....   1%          5    ####...
d - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          1%          4    ##.....
e - Agony                 Necr           ######..     1%          5    ####...
r - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ######....   1%          3    None
s - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None
u - Dispel Undead         Necr           ######..     1%          5    ####...
v - Vampiric Draining     Necr           ######....   1%          3    None
w - Excruciating Wounds   Chrm/Necr      ######....   3%          5    ####...


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:10
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2       Spider (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:9             Elf (2/3) Orc:2        Vaults (1/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:4 [   D:5 [*   D:11 *%?[   D:12 [   D:13 (   Orc:2 }%%(!   Vaults:1 *

Annotations:
Lair:1 beehive dig
Lair:6 statue dig IDA
Shoals:2 2 transporters
Spider:2 exclusion: 2 downstairs
Spider:3 exclusions: 2 downstairs and 1 more exclusion


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2)
You have an increased reservoir of magic. (+10% MP)
Your muscles are strong. (Str +2)
You evolve.


Message History

the cursed +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" {rPois Regen+ MP+9}
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You're already wearing that object!
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
You can't carry that many items.
Drop what? 52/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop a +2 pair of boots.
You start removing your armour.
You continue taking off your +0 pair of boots of flying. x4
You finish taking off your +0 pair of boots of flying.
You float gracefully downwards. You drop a +0 pair of boots of flying.
t - the cursed +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" {rPois Regen+ MP+9}
Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really wear t - the cursed +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" {rPois Regen+ MP+9}?
You start putting on your armour.
You continue putting on the cursed +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" {rPois Regen+ MP+9}. x4
You finish putting on the cursed +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" {rPois Regen+ MP+9}.
Oops, that feels deathly cold.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  3 krakens
  A fire giant (D:13)
  2 ghost moths
  2 emperor scorpions
  A deep elf elementalist (Orc:2)
  6 entropy weavers
  Nessos (D:15)
  A deep elf annihilator (Elf:2)
  3 spark wasps (Spider:4)
  2 dire elephants (Lair:6)
  A deep elf death mage (Elf:2)
  An ettin (Orc:1)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  2 merfolk javelineers
  A deep elf high priest (Elf:1)
  4 merfolk impalers (Shoals:4)
  An ice dragon (D:13)
  Erolcha (Orc:1)
  2 hydras
  An anaconda (Lair:6)
  5 centaur warriors
  A death knight (D:14)
  4 merfolk avatars
  A queen ant (Spider:3)
  An ogre mage (D:15)
  2 alligator snapping turtles
  3 satyrs
  23 dancing weapons
  6 two-headed ogres
  A tengu warrior (D:13)
  4 merfolk aquamancers
  3 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  4 death yaks (Lair:6)
  Urug (Lair:3)
  16 deep elf knights
  5 skeletal warriors (D:14)
  3 unseen horrors
  A wizard (D:15)
  9 sea snakes
  12 deep elf archers
  8 orc knights
  A phantasmal warrior (D:13)
  2 lindwurms (Volcano)
  12 orb spiders
  12 harpies
  7 fauns (Shoals:2)
  14 manticores
  6 orc sorcerers
  10 wolf spiders
  3 elephants (Lair:6)
  2 ugly things
  9 merfolk sirens
  3 cyclopes
  41 deep elf magi
  A naga mage (D:15)
  2 moths of wrath
  3 black mambas
  2 water nymphs
  Psyche (D:9)
  2 molten gargoyles (Volcano)
  A gargoyle (D:13)
  7 spiny frogs
  5 komodo dragons
  3 yaktaurs (shapeshifter)
  3 efreet
  5 demonic crawlers
  7 trolls
  A troll (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  15 merfolk
  A hornet (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  5 wind drakes
  17 jumping spiders
  8 hornets
  A polar bear (Lair:6)
  10 blink frogs
  10 hippogriffs
  9 snapping turtles
  6 dream sheep
  12 tarantellas
  2 shadows
  61 redbacks
  12 spriggans (Lair:1)
  2 air elementals
  39 yaks
  2 hogs
  4 fire elementals (Volcano)
  3 fire bats (Lair:2)
  15 water elementals
  A vampire (D:14)
  4 wyverns
  4 basilisks
  2 hungry ghosts
  25 soldier ants
  3 acid dragons
  7 water moccasins
  3 wargs (Orc:1)
  3 ice beasts
  24 orc warriors
  8 black bears
  7 sky beasts
  3 phantoms
  A necrophage (D:9)
  10 wolves
  5 boggarts (Vaults:1)
  18 ogres
  19 centaurs
  5 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  4 earth elementals
  20 bullfrogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:10)
  A wyvern zombie (D:12)
  3 scorpions
  42 killer bees
  A wight (D:13)
  2 howler monkeys
  14 electric eels
  6 crimson imps
  A quasit (D:15)
  4 centaur zombies
  A jelly (Lair:5)
  5 centaur skeletons
  7 hounds
  19 orc priests
  2 gnoll shamans (D:10)
  4 bullfrog skeletons
  3 iguanas
  30 orc wizards
  21 worker ants
  2 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:8)
  11 adders
  3 shadow imps
  2 worms (D:2)
  A dart slug (D:3)
  4 leopard geckos
  67 orcs
  A ball python (D:5)
  7 bats
  7 giant cockroaches
  8 goblins
  6 hobgoblins
  14 jackals
  11 kobolds
  3 quokkas
  5 frilled lizards
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:5)
  A quokka zombie (D:7)
  9 rats
  A spectral orc (D:9)
  3 fungi (Lair:6)
  10 plants
  8 tentacles
1081 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Roxanne (Spider:4)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:4)
  2 ghost moths
  Louise (Spider:4)
  An entropy weaver (Spider:3)
  A war gargoyle (D:13)
  4 dire elephants (Lair:6)
  2 merfolk javelineers (Shoals:4)
  A merfolk impaler (Shoals:4)
  2 hydras
  Sonja (Orc:2)
  An ogre mage (D:15)
  A merfolk aquamancer (Shoals:4)
  3 two-headed ogres (D:15)
  5 death yaks (Lair:6)
  Nergalle (Orc:1)
  A sea snake (Shoals:4)
  An obsidian statue (D:15)
  6 harpies
  An orc sorcerer (D:15)
  8 orb spiders
  An ugly thing (D:12)
  6 wolf spiders
  2 fauns (Shoals:1)
  5 deep elf magi
  2 manticores (Shoals:1)
  6 elephants (Lair:6)
  3 water nymphs
  5 merfolk sirens
  A molten gargoyle (Volcano)
  A torpor snail (Spider:1)
  3 spiny frogs
  An efreet (Volcano)
  2 demonic crawlers
  A troll (D:10)
  14 jumping spiders
  A snapping turtle (Shoals:3)
  A hornet (Spider:4)
  2 blink frogs (Lair:6)
  9 merfolk
  4 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  2 hippogriffs
  A shadow (D:15)
  8 tarantellas
  26 redbacks
  4 water elementals (Shoals:3)
  6 yaks (Lair:6)
  A basilisk (Lair:6)
  3 hungry ghosts
  A fire elemental (Elf:2)
  2 vampire mosquitoes (D:15)
  A warg (Orc:2)
  2 soldier ants (Spider:3)
  An acid dragon (D:12)
  4 porcupines
  2 water moccasins
  5 black bears
  2 orc warriors
  2 ogres (Orc:1)
  3 wolves (Lair:5)
  3 centaurs (Shoals:1)
  2 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:7)
  4 bullfrogs
  24 killer bees
  A bullfrog zombie (D:10)
  A crimson imp (D:7)
  3 centaur zombies
  An orc priest (Orc:1)
  4 jellies
  4 orc wizards
  An iguana (D:14)
  2 worker ants (Spider:3)
  An adder (D:12)
  2 shadow imps
  2 oozes (Lair:5)
  An adder zombie (D:7)
  An adder skeleton (D:3)
  6 orcs
  A giant cockroach (D:2)
  3 hobgoblins
  3 jackals
  2 kobolds
  A goblin (D:2)
  10 fungi
  7 plants
282 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A sea snake (Shoals:4)
  A wizard (D:15)
  A vampire (D:13)
  A tarantella (Spider:1)
  A sky beast (D:7)
  A shadow imp (D:14)
  3 orcs
  2 fire vortices (Volcano)
  8 fungi
  15 plants
  29 tentacles
63 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1426 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | MainiacJoe the Hill Orc Necromancer began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3
     2 | D:1      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
   500 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 4/4
  1233 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 5/5
  1238 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
  1870 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
  1870 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 27/33 MP: 0/6
  2386 | D:2      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  2387 | D:2      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  2637 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  2968 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3014 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
  3014 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 36/39 MP: 3/7
  3113 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  3333 | D:3      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  3797 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  3821 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 16/46 MP: 3/8
  4044 | D:4      | Found Jyck's Antique Armour Boutique.
  4048 | D:4      | Bought a creamy pearl robe for 171 gold pieces
  4058 | D:4      | Identified the cursed +1 robe of the Monk {MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  4209 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4419 | D:5      | Noticed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Killed an ice beast
  4433 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  4526 | D:5      | Noticed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Killed a water moccasin
  4549 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 17/56 MP: 0/9
  4779 | D:5      | Found Yhehich's Serpentskin Sales.
  4819 | D:5      | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
  5115 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5155 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5694 | D:5      | Found Orumusee's Armour Emporium.
  5699 | D:5      | Bought a +0 buckler for 67 gold pieces
  5876 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  5876 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/66 MP: 0/10
  6359 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6723 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 72/72 MP: 10/12
  6932 | D:7      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7189 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7196 | D:7      | Learned a level 5 spell: Borgnjor's Vile Clutch
  7388 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
  7643 | D:8      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  8015 | D:8      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  8264 | D:8      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8272 | D:8      | Found an ornate altar of the Wu Jian Council.
  8279 | D:8      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  8356 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  8585 | D:8      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  9056 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  9207 | D:9      | Got an ancient golden ring
  9208 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Attitude {rF+ rC+ Str-5 Dex+7 Stlth+} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
  9216 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  9216 | D:9      | Reached skill level 2 in Invocations
  9383 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
  9390 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  9403 | D:9      | Reached skill level 3 in Invocations
  9434 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 78/80 MP: 14/14
  9527 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9584 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  9741 | D:9      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  9788 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9900 | D:9      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
  9900 | D:9      | Reached skill level 4 in Invocations
 10463 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 10628 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10688 | D:10     | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
 11162 | D:10     | Reached skill level 6 in Invocations
 11435 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
 11688 | D:10     | Reached skill level 7 in Invocations
 11848 | D:10     | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 11874 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 85/85 MP: 16/16
 11887 | D:10     | Reached skill level 8 in Invocations
 12066 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12292 | D:10     | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
 12292 | D:10     | Reached skill level 9 in Invocations
 12329 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 12339 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 12553 | D:5      | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 220 gold pieces
 12850 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 12859 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 13095 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13698 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
 13894 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy
 14277 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 14293 | Lair:2   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 14322 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 14734 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 14751 | Lab      | Reached XP level 12. HP: 93/93 MP: 19/19
 14771 | Lab      | Got a brightly glowing great mace {crush}
 14782 | Lab      | Got a bloodstained dagger
 14870 | Lair:2   | Found a dark tunnel.
 14891 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 15446 | Lair:2   | Identified the +8 great mace of Kiunyppe {crush, rN+ MP+9} (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
 15447 | Lair:2   | Identified the cursed +0 dagger of Aluawy {pierce, rC+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 17008 | Lair:3   | Noticed Urug
 17051 | Lair:3   | Killed Urug
 17051 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 17276 | Lair:3   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 17284 | Lair:3   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 17284 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 101/101 MP: 10/21
 17613 | D:10     | Learned a level 2 spell: Sticks to Snakes
 18140 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 18512 | Lair:5   | Found a runed door.
 18512 | Lair:5   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 18513 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 19361 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 19465 | Lair:6   | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb
 19766 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 11 in Invocations
 20134 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/115 MP: 1/26
 20934 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20934 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20940 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20961 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 20961 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 12 in Invocations
 20962 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 20986 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21053 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21073 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21079 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21094 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21272 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 5 spell: Agony
 21278 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 5 spell: Dispel Undead
 21281 | Lair:6   | Learned a level 2 spell: Sublimation of Blood
 21318 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 21370 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 21682 | D:11     | Found Osim's Assorted Antiques.
 21684 | D:11     | Found Imogomee's Food Shop.
 21692 | D:11     | Bought an emerald potion for 23 gold pieces
 21831 | D:11     | Found Leecason's Magic Scroll Shop.
 22133 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 22241 | D:11     | Found Oheakh's Antique Armour Boutique.
 22686 | D:11     | Reached ****** piety under Makhleb
 22686 | D:11     | Reached skill level 13 in Invocations
 23102 | D:12     | Identified the +3 ring mail "Huycaono" {rC+ Str+2 Int+3} (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 23374 | D:12     | Found Gotufismif's Armour Emporium.
 23535 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 23832 | Orc:1    | Noticed Nergalle
 23832 | Orc:1    | Noticed Erolcha
 23843 | Orc:1    | Killed Nergalle
 23854 | Orc:1    | Killed Erolcha
 24641 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 24641 | Orc:2    | Noticed Sonja
 24676 | Orc:2    | Killed Sonja
 24691 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 6 turns
 24701 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 14 in Invocations
 24879 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 24895 | Orc:2    | Found Qexutrur's Gadget Shoppe.
 25642 | Orc:1    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 107/125 MP: 16/27
 25730 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 3 turns
 25820 | Orc:2    | Found Eporir's Food Boutique.
 25820 | Orc:2    | Found Tunnua's Food Boutique.
 25821 | Orc:2    | Found Epabyje's Distillery.
 25821 | Orc:2    | Found Akit's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 25886 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of mutation for 96 gold pieces
 25886 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: Scrolls take you a little longer to read. [potion of mutation]
 25886 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: You evolve. [potion of mutation]
 25886 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: You are covered in fur. (AC +1) [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of mutation for 96 gold pieces
 25887 | Orc:2    | Lost mutation: You are covered in fur. (AC +1) [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Lost mutation: Scrolls take you a little longer to read. [potion of mutation]
 25887 | Orc:2    | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation]
 25894 | Orc:2    | Learned a level 5 spell: Excruciating Wounds
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of might for 48 gold pieces
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 60 gold pieces
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 60 gold pieces
 26044 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of might for 48 gold pieces
 26188 | D:11     | Bought a dog-eared leatherbound book for 390 gold pieces
 26324 | Orc:2    | Bought a wand of digging (10) for 392 gold pieces
 26455 | D:11     | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 130 gold pieces
 26551 | D:13     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 26662 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 26679 | D:13     | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 26708 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 26785 | D:13     | Reached skill level 15 in Invocations
 26854 | D:13     | Found Jeann's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 27962 | D:13     | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 28183 | D:13     | Noticed a fire giant
 28193 | D:13     | Killed a fire giant
 29584 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 29952 | D:15     | Noticed Nessos
 30640 | D:15     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 126/133 MP: 18/29
 30916 | D:15     | Killed Nessos
 31009 | D:15     | Identified the +1 pair of gloves "Wituri Kily" {rN+ Regen+ Dex+6} (You found it on level 15 of the Dungeon)
 31150 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 31179 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 31979 | D:11     | Bought a notched pearl ring for 130 gold pieces
 32094 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 34172 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 34731 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 34746 | Spider:4 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 143/143 MP: 5/30
 34935 | Spider:4 | Noticed Louise
 35782 | Spider:4 | Noticed Roxanne
 35798 | Spider:4 | Killed Louise
 35837 | Spider:4 | Killed Roxanne
 35840 | Spider:4 | Identified Roxanne's Incunabulum of the Mountains (You took it off Roxanne on level 4 of the Spider Nest)
 35859 | Spider:4 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
 35952 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 37019 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 37554 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 38677 | Shoals:2 | Found a transporter.
 38864 | Shoals:2 | Found a transporter.
 38893 | Shoals:2 | Gained mutation: You have an increased reservoir of magic. (+10% MP) [evolution]
 39119 | Shoals:2 | Identified the +2 pair of gloves of Vexation {MR+ Int+2 Dex+2} (You found it on level 2 of the Shoals)
 39313 | Shoals:2 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 154/154 MP: 29/34
 39427 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 39501 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 16 in Invocations
 40513 | Shoals:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Shoals
 40827 | Shoals:4 | Found the +4 skin of Zhor {rC+++}
 41282 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 41298 | Shoals:4 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 41631 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 41641 | Shoals:4 | Killed Ilsuiw
 41913 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 17 in Invocations
 42832 | D:11     | Bought a translucent scale mail for 234 gold pieces
 42832 | D:11     | Identified the +5 scale mail "Ahyphem" {rF+ Int-3 SInv} (You bought it in a shop on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 43193 | D:11     | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
 43322 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 44423 | Elf:1    | Identified the cursed +1 scale mail of Day {rElec} (You found it on level 1 of the Elven Halls)
 44898 | Elf:2    | Reached XP level 19. HP: 158/160 MP: 28/35
 45086 | Elf:2    | Found a runed gate.
 45086 | Elf:2    | Found a runed gate.
 45086 | Elf:2    | Found a runed gate.
 46521 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 46581 | Vaults:1 | Found Pablos's Assorted Antiques.
 46656 | Vaults:1 | Bought a pair of smoking boots for 266 gold pieces
 46656 | Vaults:1 | Identified the cursed +0 pair of boots "Fooxt" {rPois Regen+ MP+9} (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Vaults)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------+-----
Stealth        |     2                                         7  8       |  8.0
Necromancy     |        5           6  8       10 11          13       14 | 14.8
Dodging        |           2        3     5        6  7  9 10    11 13 14 | 14.3
Short Blades   |           1  3  4        5  8                            |  8.0
Fighting       |                 2  3  4  5        6  8 10       11 12    | 12.0
Shields        |                    1  4                                  |  4.2
Spellcasting   |                       2  3        5  8     9             |  9.5
Earth Magic    |                          3  5  8  9                      |  9.0
Invocations    |                          3  7 10    11 14 15       17    | 17.0
Charms         |                                            6             |  6.0
Evocations     |                                               2  8       |  8.0
Armour         |                                                     7  8 |  8.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    50 |   143 |   206 |    45 |       |       |       ||   444
       Quick blade       |       |       |    76 |   896 |  1823 |  1922 |   246 ||  4963
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |     6 |       |       |     1 ||     7
       Staff             |       |       |       |       |     7 |       |       ||     7
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |       |     8 |     6 |       |       ||    14
       Hand crossbow     |       |       |       |    36 |     4 |       |       ||    40
Throw: Stone             |    68 |    86 |    69 |       |       |       |       ||   223
       Javelin           |       |       |    19 |    44 |   116 |    52 |     2 ||   233
       Tomahawk          |       |       |    10 |     5 |     2 |     3 |       ||    20
       Throwing net      |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
 Cast: Pain              |    22 |    24 |    30 |    30 |     1 |       |       ||   107
       Animate Skeleton  |     3 |    12 |    15 |    29 |    39 |    23 |     5 ||   126
       Vampiric Draining |       |     2 |     5 |    28 |    31 |     1 |       ||    67
       Animate Dead      |       |       |     9 |    22 |    41 |    72 |     6 ||   150
       Borgnjor's Vile C |       |       |       |    30 |    76 |    87 |    27 ||   220
       Sticks to Snakes  |       |       |       |       |    11 |       |       ||    11
       Agony             |       |       |       |       |    20 |    42 |     3 ||    65
       Sublimation of Bl |       |       |       |       |    11 |    10 |     2 ||    23
       Dispel Undead     |       |       |       |       |    13 |       |       ||    13
       Excruciating Woun |       |       |       |       |     3 |    15 |       ||    18
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |       |       |       |    10 |       ||    10
       Regeneration      |       |       |       |       |       |       |     4 ||     4
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |       |    34 |     5 |    90 |    85 ||   214
       Lesser Servant of |       |       |       |     6 |    13 |    15 |     1 ||    35
       Greater Servant o |       |       |       |       |     1 |     5 |       ||     6
       Major Destruction |       |       |       |       |     1 |     3 |       ||     4
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |    23 |    12 |    14 |     1 ||    52
  Use: Scroll            |     5 |       |    19 |    10 |    16 |    16 |     1 ||    67
       Potion            |     1 |     1 |     1 |     6 |     2 |     7 |       ||    18
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |     1 |     5 |     4 |    11 |     7 |     1 ||    29
       Paralysed         |       |       |     2 |     3 |     2 |     1 |       ||     8
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |       ||     3
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     3 |     8 |    16 |     1 ||    28
       Confused          |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     9 |    18 |    27 |    43 |    51 |     8 ||   159
       Ration            |       |       |     1 |     6 |    11 |    11 |     1 ||    30
Armor: Robe              |    13 |    45 |    64 |    46 |    79 |   170 |       ||   417
       Skin              |       |       |    18 |   203 |       |       |       ||   221
       Troll leather arm |       |       |       |    56 |   135 |       |       ||   191
       Leather armour    |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Ring mail         |       |       |       |       |    37 |   236 |    40 ||   313
Dodge: Dodged            |    30 |   114 |   130 |   263 |   582 |   968 |    94 ||  2181
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    48 |   147 |   169 |   302 |    23 ||   689
Rpst.: Scimitar          |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1

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