CiP : GnSk^Ash, chose a weapon

[mopl]

Hi crawlers ! This looked like a retirement but it seems that you don't really quit Crawl at all. I also really wanted to see this new Gnoll race and have a try at them.

I've been doing pretty good so far. No Ash trick to be able to focus a little on skills, Transfer seems disable for Gnolls ! Devs think to everything :p

So this character has 3 runes under its belt and can go for more. But I don't know what weapon I should use in extended…

The main choices are my demon trident of electrocution, a staff of earth, various eveningstars and broad axes. I have enough ?EW and some ?brand weapon. I could even lurk a little in Pan for a sacred scourge. My question is, which weapon would you use in extended ? Any 2-handers can be considered too, that would have the advantage to allow me to switch to a crossbow...

I'll obviously keep a dagger for stab purpose and my +10 blowgun + needles.

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-404-g291f19a (webtiles) character file.

mopl the Omniscient (Gnoll Skald)                  Turns: 66848, Time: 04:47:01

HP:   210/210 (218) AC: 21    Str: 20    XL:     27
MP:   45/45         EV: 28    Int: 21    God:    Ashenzari [******]
Gold: 2615          SH: 16    Dex: 24    Spells: 0/62 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis +   A - staff of earth
rCold    + + .     Gourm    .   w - +0 shield {reflect} (curse)
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   h - +2 troll leather armour {Snorg}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   E - +0 helmet of the Endless Expanse {rElec rC+ Int+2} (curse)
rElec    +         Reflect  +   s - +2 cloak {+Inv}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   y - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Slay+5} (curse)
MR       +++..     Clarity  +   p - +1 pair of boots {Stlth+}
Stlth    ++++++++..             O - amulet of regeneration (curse)
HPRegen  1.25/turn              f - ring "Kalipp" {+Fly rPois rN+ Dex+2 Slay+2} (curse)
MPRegen  0.29/turn              g - ring of the Bull {*Drain rF+ rC+ MR+ Str+4} (curse)

@: drained
A: distributed training, fangs 1, strong nose
}: 5/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, abyssal
a: Curse Item, Scrying, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Ashenzari.
Ashenzari is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and seen 53 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 3 times.
You have visited 2 bazaars.
You have also visited: Sewer and Desolation.

You have collected 8286 gold pieces.
You have spent 5671 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +3 demon trident of electrocution
 b - the +4 dagger "Morg" {pain, MR+ Int+5}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)   
   
   In the hands of one skilled in necromantic magic, it inflicts extra damage
   on living creatures.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 m - a +10 blowgun
Missiles
 i - 13 needles of paralysis
 n - 35 javelins of penetration
 C - 17 poisoned javelins (quivered)
 V - 18 throwing nets
 W - 8 needles of confusion
Armour
 h - a +2 troll leather armour (worn) {Snorg}
 p - a +1 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
 s - a +2 cloak of invisibility (worn)
 w - a cursed +0 shield of reflection (worn)
 y - the cursed +3 pair of gauntlets of War (worn) {Slay+5}
   (You found it in the Desolation of Salt)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+5).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 E - the cursed +0 helmet of the Endless Expanse (worn) {rElec rC+ Int+2}
   (You found it in the Desolation of Salt)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Magical Staves
 A - an uncursed staff of earth (weapon)
Jewellery
 f - the cursed ring "Kalipp" (left hand) {+Fly rPois rN+ Dex+2 Slay+2}
   (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you fly.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 g - the cursed ring of the Bull (right hand) {*Drain rF+ rC+ MR+ Str+4}
   (You took it off an imperial myrmidon in the Desolation of Salt)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 O - a cursed amulet of regeneration (around neck)
Wands
 q - a wand of enslavement (10/24)
 r - a wand of iceblast (2/15)
 F - a wand of polymorph (11/24)
 G - a wand of acid (12/15)
 I - a wand of scattershot (7/9)
 K - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
 L - a wand of paralysis (16/24)
 Z - a wand of digging (12/24)
Scrolls
 c - 15 scrolls of fear
 j - 5 scrolls of fog
 l - 32 scrolls of teleportation
 o - 24 scrolls of remove curse
 D - 5 scrolls of summoning
 M - 15 scrolls of magic mapping
 S - 4 scrolls of blinking
Potions
 e - 18 potions of heal wounds
 k - 3 potions of resistance
 t - 9 potions of cancellation
 v - 13 potions of haste
 z - 13 potions of might
 H - 32 potions of curing
 N - 5 potions of invisibility
 Q - 3 potions of ambrosia
 T - 11 potions of flight
 U - 13 potions of agility
Miscellaneous
 u - 4 boxes of beasts
 x - a phantom mirror
 B - a phial of floods
 J - a fan of gales
 P - a lightning rod (4/4)
 R - a lamp of fire
 Y - 5 sacks of spiders
Comestibles
 d - 27 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 18.2(16.6) Fighting
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Short Blades
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Long Blades
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Axes
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Maces & Flails
 + Level 18.2(16.6) Polearms
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Staves
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Slings
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Bows
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Crossbows
 + Level 18.3(16.7) Throwing
 + Level 18.0(16.4) Armour
 + Level 18.2(16.6) Dodging
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Stealth
 + Level 17.8(18.5) Shields
 + Level 17.8(16.2) Unarmed Combat
 + Level 18.3(16.7) Spellcasting
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Conjurations
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Hexes
 + Level 16.1(18.3) Charms
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Summonings
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Necromancy
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Translocations
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Transmutations
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Fire Magic
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Ice Magic
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Air Magic
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Earth Magic
 + Level 15.4(17.7) Poison Magic
 + Level 19.2(17.5) Invocations
 + Level 17.8(19.8) Evocations


You cannot memorise any spells.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #######.     0%          3    None
b - Song of Slaying       Chrm           #######.     0%          2    None
c - Corpse Rot            Necr           N/A          0%          2    None
d - Irradiate             Conj/Tmut      #######...   1%          5    ##.....
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
f - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      #######...   0%          2    None
g - Disjunction           Tloc           #######...   16%         8    #######
k - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           #######...   1%          5    ##.....
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #######.     0%          2    None
p - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #######...   0%          2    None
r - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   0%          3    None
x - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          0%          1    None
y - Yara's Violent Unrav  Hex/Tmut       #######...   1%          5    ##.....
A - Apportation           Tloc           ######       0%          1    None
C - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          16%         8    #######
D - Dispersal             Tloc           #######...   1%          6    ####...
S - Silence               Hex/Air        #######...   1%          5    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (5/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
    Zot (0/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Uskayaw
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 [*?   D:7 :   D:9 !   Orc:1 (   Orc:2 (==[!   Snake:3 }==   Vaults:2 [!
Depths:1 :!

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4 Depths:5
Pandemonium: Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:4

Annotations:
Lair:6 FDA + bardiche
Slime:3 exclusion: upstairs


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your experience applies equally to all skills.
You have very sharp teeth.
Your uncanny sense of smell can sniff out nearby items.


Message History

You drop a scroll of enchant armour.
You drop a potion of brilliance.
Unknown command.
Search for what [? for help]? ring && jewel
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Search for what [Enter for "ring && jewel", or ? for help]? statue f
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
You see here the cursed +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}.
Unknown command.
Things that are here:
a +5 quick blade; a +10 blowgun; a +7 blowgun
m - a +10 blowgun
You see here the cursed +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}.
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
Items here: !!! " % ((((((( ))))))) ///////// ::: ====== ???? [[[[[[[ ||
W - 8 needles of confusion; i - 13 needles of paralysis

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There are no monsters in sight!


[mopl]

As noone wanted to help, I was on my own to chose this endgame weapon ! So I used a lot of them !

  Code:

 a - a +9 demon trident of electrocution
 b - the +4 dagger "Morg" {pain, MR+ Int+5}
 m - a +10 blowgun (weapon)
 p - the +4 staff of Dispater
 C - the +7 sceptre of Asmodeus
 F - a +9 eudemon blade of holy wrath
 T - the +18 lance "Wyrmbane" {slay drac, rPois rF+ rC+ AC+3}

Stabbed all Pan and Hell lords. Same with the Serpent of Hell.

Gnolls are way better than expected. They allow you to really use whatever you find in the dungeon without needing to adapt. I felt like past Lair they can use anything for free ! Going for another one very soon

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-426-g98080a9 (webtiles) character file.

16598707 mopl the Omniscient (level 27, 241/255 (258) HPs)
             Began as a Gnoll Skald on Oct 19, 2017.
             Was the Champion of Ashenzari.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Nov 6, 2017!
             
             The game lasted 07:41:57 (93806 turns).

mopl the Omniscient (Gnoll Skald)                  Turns: 93806, Time: 07:41:57

HP:   241/255 (258) AC: 25    Str: 24    XL:     27
MP:   50/50         EV: 36    Int: 21    God:    Ashenzari [******]
Gold: 10473         SH: 24    Dex: 24    Spells: 6/72 levels left

rFire    + + .     SeeInvis +   m - +10 blowgun
rCold    + + +     Gourm    .   w - +5 shield {reflect} (curse)
rNeg     + + .     Faith    .   h - +4 troll leather armour (curse) {Snorg}
rPois    +         Spirit   .   E - +0 helmet of the Endless Expanse {rElec rC+ Int+2} (curse)
rElec    +         Reflect  +   q - scarf {rC+ rF+} (curse)
rCorr    +         Harm     .   y - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Slay+5} (curse)
MR       +++..     Clarity  +   L - +2 pair of boots {Fly} (curse)
Stlth    ++++......             r - macabre finger necklace {rN+} (curse)
HPRegen  0.92/turn              f - ring "Kalipp" {+Fly rPois rN+ Dex+2 Slay+2} (curse)
MPRegen  0.32/turn              g - ring of the Bull {*Drain rF+ rC+ MR+ Str+4} (curse)
                                O - ring "Udeageeg" {rCorr Str+4} (curse)

@: flying
A: distributed training, fangs 2, molten scales 1, poison resistance, robust 1,
subdued magic 1, strong nose
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian,
icy, bone, abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark
a: Curse Item, Scrying, Renounce Religion, Stop Flying


You escaped.
You worshipped Ashenzari.
Ashenzari was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and saw 90 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 4 times, and saw 29 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 4 times.
You visited 2 bazaars.
You also visited: Sewer and Desolation.

You collected 16144 gold pieces.
You spent 5671 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 demon trident of electrocution
 b - the +4 dagger "Morg" {pain, MR+ Int+5}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)   
   
   In the hands of one skilled in necromantic magic, it inflicts extra damage
   on living creatures.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 m - a +10 blowgun (weapon)
 p - the +4 staff of Dispater
   (You took it off Dispater on level 7 of the Iron City of Dis)
 C - the +7 sceptre of Asmodeus
   (You took it off Asmodeus on level 7 of Gehenna)
 F - a +9 eudemon blade of holy wrath
 T - the +18 lance "Wyrmbane" {slay drac, rPois rF+ rC+ AC+3}
   (You found it on level 7 of Gehenna)   
   
   It affects your AC (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
Missiles
 i - 12 needles of paralysis (quivered)
 n - 35 javelins of penetration
 V - 22 throwing nets
 W - 8 needles of confusion
 X - 37 javelins
Armour
 h - a cursed +4 troll leather armour (worn) {Snorg}
 q - a cursed scarf of resistance (worn)
 s - a +2 cloak of invisibility
 w - a cursed +5 shield of reflection (worn)
 y - the cursed +3 pair of gauntlets of War (worn) {Slay+5}
   (You found it in the Desolation of Salt)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+5).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 E - the cursed +0 helmet of the Endless Expanse (worn) {rElec rC+ Int+2}
   (You found it in the Desolation of Salt)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 L - a cursed +2 pair of boots of flying (worn)
Magical Staves
 A - an uncursed staff of earth
Jewellery
 f - the cursed ring "Kalipp" (left hand) {+Fly rPois rN+ Dex+2 Slay+2}
   (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you fly.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 g - the cursed ring of the Bull (right hand) {*Drain rF+ rC+ MR+ Str+4}
   (You took it off an imperial myrmidon in the Desolation of Salt)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 r - the cursed macabre finger necklace (around neck) {rN+}
   (You took it off a frost giant on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [amulet of nothing]
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 O - the cursed ring "Udeageeg" (on amulet) {rCorr Str+4}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of resist corrosion]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Wands
 Z - a wand of digging (23/24)
Scrolls
 c - 21 scrolls of fear
 j - 7 scrolls of fog
 l - 32 scrolls of teleportation
 o - 28 scrolls of remove curse
 D - 7 scrolls of summoning
 K - 7 scrolls of holy word
 M - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 S - 4 scrolls of blinking
Potions
 e - 20 potions of heal wounds
 k - 10 potions of resistance
 t - 10 potions of cancellation
 v - 4 potions of haste
 z - 13 potions of might
 G - 6 potions of mutation {!q}
 H - 38 potions of curing
 N - 8 potions of invisibility
 Q - 2 potions of ambrosia
 U - 13 potions of agility
Miscellaneous
 u - 7 boxes of beasts
 x - 3 phantom mirrors
 B - a phial of floods
 I - a figurine of a ziggurat
 J - a fan of gales
 P - a lightning rod (4/4)
 R - a lamp of fire
 Y - 11 sacks of spiders
Comestibles
 d - 22 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 23.3 Fighting
 + Level 23.1 Short Blades
 + Level 23.1 Long Blades
 + Level 23.1 Axes
 + Level 23.1 Maces & Flails
 + Level 23.3 Polearms
 + Level 23.1 Staves
 + Level 23.1 Slings
 + Level 23.1 Bows
 + Level 23.1 Crossbows
 + Level 23.3 Throwing
 + Level 23.1 Armour
 + Level 23.3(26.6) Dodging
 + Level 23.1(26.4) Stealth
 + Level 23.1(25.1) Shields
 + Level 23.1 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 23.4 Spellcasting
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Conjurations
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Hexes
 + Level 20.5(24.0) Charms
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Summonings
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Necromancy
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Translocations
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Transmutations
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Fire Magic
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Ice Magic
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Air Magic
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Earth Magic
 + Level 20.1(23.6) Poison Magic
 + Level 24.7 Invocations
 + Level 23.1(26.4) Evocations


You had 6 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #######.     0%          3    None
b - Song of Slaying       Chrm           #######.     0%          2    None
c - Corpse Rot            Necr           N/A          0%          2    None
d - Irradiate             Conj/Tmut      #######...   0%          5    None
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
g - Disjunction           Tloc           #######...   1%          8    ######.
k - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           #######...   0%          5    None
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #######.     0%          2    None
p - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #######...   0%          2    None
r - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   0%          3    None
s - Statue Form           Tmut/Erth      #######..    0%          6    ##.....
x - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          0%          1    None
y - Yara's Violent Unrav  Hex/Tmut       #######...   0%          5    None
A - Apportation           Tloc           ######       0%          1    None
C - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          8    ######.
D - Dispersal             Tloc           #######...   0%          6    ##.....
S - Silence               Hex/Air        #######...   0%          5    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (5/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
   Hell (1/1)                 Dis (7/7) Hell            Geh (7/7) Hell
    Coc (7/7) Hell            Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (5/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Uskayaw
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 [*?   D:7 :   D:9 !   Orc:1 (   Orc:2 (==[!   Snake:3 }==   Vaults:2 [!
Depths:1 :!

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4 Depths:5
Pandemonium: Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:4

Annotations:
Lair:6 FDA + bardiche
Slime:3 exclusion: upstairs


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your experience applies equally to all skills.
You have extremely sharp teeth.
Your uncanny sense of smell can sniff out nearby items.
You are partially covered in molten scales. (AC +2)
Your system is resistant to poisons. (rPois)
You are robust. (+10% HP)
Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful.


Message History

You slice Disec!! Disec convulses.
You kill Disec!
You block the ice devil's attack.
You slice the ice devil!! The ice devil convulses!!
Your bite misses the ice devil.
The ice devil is almost dead.
You block the sixfirhy's attack.
You slice the ice devil!!
You kill the ice devil!
The sixfirhy completely misses you. x2; You riposte. You slash the sixfirhy!
The sixfirhy convulses!
The sixfirhy is heavily wounded.
A hellwing comes into view.
You slice the sixfirhy!!
You kill the sixfirhy!
Unknown command.
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Your +9 eudemon blade of holy wrath stops glowing.
m - a +10 blowgun (weapon)
You have escaped!

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You could see a Tzitzimitl and a hellwing.


[Magipi]

Gnolls are way better than expected. They allow you to really use whatever you find in the dungeon without needing to adapt. I felt like past Lair they can use anything for free !

This is interesting, because my thoughts were the exact opposite. Gnolls are ridiculously bad in the middle game. When you go for runes, you still cannot use any level 6 spells, level 5 only with wizardry, and you can forget about big weapons. I am not experienced enough to assess whether they are worse than mummies - but yeah, somewhere in that ballpark.

[mopl]

Gnolls are way better than expected. They allow you to really use whatever you find in the dungeon without needing to adapt. I felt like past Lair they can use anything for free !

This is interesting, because my thoughts were the exact opposite. Gnolls are ridiculously bad in the middle game. When you go for runes, you still cannot use any level 6 spells, level 5 only with wizardry, and you can forget about big weapons. I am not experienced enough to assess whether they are worse than mummies - but yeah, somewhere in that ballpark.

My bad, post-Lair did include Lair runes in my words... indeed mid-game is kinda hard. But playing skald was a good option imho for this. Some lvl 1-4 utility spells + a medium 1h weapon and a shield did the job quite well.

[biffMalibu]

Can I ask, how did you stab the hell & pan lords? Do they just hang around sleeping and can you just creep up on them while sleeping? Blink next to them? They always seem to just come at me.

[VeryAngryFelid]

The lords were paralyzed with blowgun and corresponding needles.