CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polearms?


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Spider Stomper

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Joined: Thursday, 2nd June 2016, 00:52

Post Friday, 29th September 2017, 20:51

CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polearms?

I had a Ghoul Monk of Oka doing fairly well, at 25 UC skill. In spider, Oka gifted me Wyrmbane. Ok, cool, I guess I'll level it up so I don't have to go through the tedium of leveling it up later if I'm Zigraiding or something. Then in depths, I found a manual of polearms. Did it suddenly become worth it to train polearms to 12?

Char dump:

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-319-g17ab366 (webtiles) character file.

99apples the Wrestler (Ghoul Monk)                 Turns: 46934, Time: 03:26:51

Health: 223/223    AC: 37    Str: 28    XL:     24   Next: 12%
Magic:  29/29      EV: 19    Int: 17    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   2977       SH:  7    Dex: 12    Spells: 23/23 levels left

rFire    + + +     SeeInvis +     - Unarmed
rCold    + + .     Gourm    .   W - +1 buckler {AC+3}
rNeg     + + +     Faith    .   v - +8 plate armour {rF+}
rPois    ∞         Spirit   .   R - +1 hat of Philately {rF++ Int+9 SInv Stlth-}
rElec    +         Reflect  .   e - +1 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
rCorr    +         Harm     .   U - +1 pair of gloves of the Mind {rCorr Slay+3}
MR       ++...                  z - +1 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.47/turn              T - +6 ring of strength
MPRegen  0.21/turn              L - ring of protection from magic

@: rotting, studying Polearms
A: rotting body, claws 1, carnivore 3, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, inhibited regeneration, torment resistance, unbreathing
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are on level 4 of the Depths.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 42 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Sewer.

You have collected 4216 gold pieces.
You have spent 1239 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 N - the +18 lance "Wyrmbane" {slay drac, rPois rF+ rC+ AC+3}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   It affects your AC (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
Armour
 e - the +1 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
 v - a +8 plate armour of fire resistance (worn)
 z - a +1 pair of boots (worn)
 G - a +2 helmet of intelligence
 R - the +1 hat of Philately (worn) {rF++ Int+9 SInv Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+9).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 U - the +1 pair of gloves of the Mind (worn) {rCorr Slay+3}
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 W - a +1 buckler of protection (worn)
Jewellery
 L - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 T - a +6 ring of strength (left hand)
Wands
 c - a wand of clouds (?/9) {zapped: 5}
 j - a wand of lightning (?/15)
 y - a wand of clouds (2/9)
 E - a wand of paralysis (13/24)
 I - a wand of digging (16/24)
 P - a wand of random effects (?/48)
 X - a wand of iceblast (1/15)
 Y - a wand of clouds (5/9)
Scrolls
 a - 9 scrolls of identify
 f - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 l - 18 scrolls of remove curse
 n - 7 scrolls of recharging
 o - 11 scrolls of blinking
 w - 6 scrolls of fog
 A - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 C - a scroll of teleportation
 F - a scroll of summoning
 K - 7 scrolls of fear
Potions
 d - 6 potions of agility
 h - 6 potions of haste
 i - 7 potions of resistance
 k - 3 potions of cancellation
 m - 15 potions of heal wounds
 p - 2 potions of invisibility
 q - 11 potions of flight
 s - 4 potions of might
 t - 3 potions of brilliance
 u - 20 potions of curing
 x - 2 potions of ambrosia
 B - 3 potions of magic
Books
 J - a manual of Polearms
Miscellaneous
 g - a box of beasts
 H - a fan of gales
 O - a lightning rod (4/4)
 Q - a phantom mirror
 S - a sack of spiders
 V - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 b - 26 meat rations
 r - 11 chunks of flesh
 M - 15 royal jellies


   Skills:
 + Level 19.8 Fighting
 + Level 0.3 Polearms
 + Level 16.2 Armour
 + Level 13.5 Dodging
 - Level 2.1 Stealth
 - Level 11.0 Shields
 + Level 25.4 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 7.1 Invocations
 + Level 9.9 Evocations


You have 23 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:2       Spider (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Crypt (1/3) Vaults:3     Depths (4/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Wu Jian
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 *   D:7 [   D:8 [?(   D:9 (   D:12 *[=[   D:13 !   Orc:2 *[(*
Vaults:1 *   Depths:1 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:3

Annotations:
Spider:3 Mara


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body is rotting away.
You thrive on raw meat.
You are immune to poison.
You have sharp fingernails.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
Your flesh is cold resistant. (rC+)
You are immune to negative energy. (rN+++)
You do not regenerate when monsters are visible.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

The storm dragon is almost dead.
You pulverise the storm dragon!!!
You kill the storm dragon!
Okawaru accepts your kill.
Something appears at your feet!
Okawaru grants you a weapon!
The storm dragon scales are intact enough to wear.
Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel, g - get item
A runed quarterstaff {god gift}.
The floor.
Things that are here:
+0 storm dragon scales; a storm dragon corpse
You butcher the storm dragon corpse.
r - 11 chunks of flesh (gained 7)
You see here +0 storm dragon scales.
You see here a lamp of fire.
You can't carry that many items.
Drop what? 52/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop 76 sling bullets.
You drop a glowing fustibalus {god gift}.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Mennas (Vaults:2)
  Boris (Vaults:2)
  Bai Suzhen (Spider:3)
  Frederick (Crypt:1)
  Saint Roka (Vaults:3)
  Xtahua (Crypt:1)
  Nikola (Swamp:2)
  3 golden dragons
  Jory (Vaults:3)
  Arachne (Spider:3)
  Jorgrun (Vaults:3)
  A lich (Depths:4)
  A tentacled monstrosity (Vaults:1)
  A quicksilver dragon (Depths:3)
  2 sphinxes
  An ancient champion (Crypt:1)
  Frances (D:14)
  A thorn hunter (Swamp:2)
  3 storm dragons
  Kirke (Swamp:2)
  Donald (Swamp:2)
  5 tengu reavers
  2 fire giants (Depths:1)
  A deep elf sorcerer (Vaults:3)
  An iron dragon (Depths:3)
  A frost giant (Depths:1)
  Louise (Swamp:1)
  4 ghost moths
  12 vault wardens
  3 spriggan defenders
  9 emperor scorpions
  12 very ugly things
  A war gargoyle (Vaults:2)
  5 vampire knights
  A ghoul (Crypt:1)
  4 entropy weavers
  10 ironheart preservers
  18 stone giants
  A spark wasp (Spider:4)
  2 deep elf annihilators
  A merfolk javelineer (Depths:2)
  4 ettins
  7 fire dragons
  7 jiangshi
  2 deep elf death magi
  A blizzard demon (Depths:4)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  9 yaktaur captains
  7 great orbs of eyes
  3 deep elf high priests
  A great orb of eyes (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  16 vault guards
  A ghost crab (Swamp:4)
  Erolcha (Orc:2)
  25 hydras
  6 ice dragons
  A rakshasa (Vaults:3)
  3 death knights
  12 centaur warriors
  16 ogre magi
  3 spriggan air magi
  58 two-headed ogres
  10 alligators
  6 death yaks (Lair:6)
  A dancing weapon (Depths:2)
  7 deep troll shamans
  12 tengu warriors
  5 deep troll earth magi
  4 spriggan berserkers
  7 vampire magi
  3 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  6 hell knights (Depths:4)
  Nergalle (D:11)
  Sonja (D:11)
  7 deep elf knights
  A shadow wraith (Vaults:4)
  11 skeletal warriors
  A soul eater (Crypt:1)
  A fire crab (D:13)
  2 iron trolls (Depths:1)
  4 unseen horrors
  A golden dragon zombie (D:15)
  2 quicksilver dragon simulacra (Depths:4)
  A salamander mystic (Depths:3)
  7 wizards
  12 swamp dragons
  15 deep trolls
  An unseen horror (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  A death drake (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  4 flayed ghosts
  A tengu zombie (Vaults:3)
  2 glowing orange brains
  7 ironbrand convokers
  A shadow dragon zombie (Vaults:3)
  Pikel (D:7)
  3 harpies (Vaults:2)
  14 orc knights
  3 shambling mangroves
  A lindwurm (Lair:5)
  6 deep elf archers (Vaults:3)
  26 orb spiders
  An orb spider (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  6 necromancers
  6 phantasmal warriors
  10 deep elf magi
  48 ugly things
  31 wolf spiders
  A fire giant zombie (Depths:2)
  2 manticores
  5 orc sorcerers
  A shadow dragon skeleton (Crypt:1)
  44 slime creatures
  A salamander (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  6 frost giant zombies (Depths:2)
  A sphinx skeleton (Crypt:1)
  8 cyclopes
  3 salamanders (Depths:3)
  5 black mambas
  3 elephants (Lair:6)
  Joseph (D:7)
  14 vault sentinels
  9 spiny frogs
  A frost giant skeleton (Vaults:4)
  2 torpor snails (Lair:6)
  An ice statue (Depths:4)
  A spiny frog (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  8 rust devils
  2 gargoyles (D:12)
  A rime drake (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  2 efreet
  12 demonic crawlers
  9 freezing wraiths
  3 rime drakes
  3 ice devils (Depths:4)
  A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  50 yaktaurs
  A guardian mummy (D:15)
  8 komodo dragons
  2 tengu conjurers
  A queen bee (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  8 trolls
  4 meliai
  36 hornets
  A troll (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  32 jumping spiders
  3 tyrant leeches
  A meliai (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  5 polar bears
  2 shadow dragon simulacra
  3 raiju
  Prince Ribbit (D:9)
  20 blink frogs
  A tengu simulacrum (Vaults:3)
  9 bog bodies
  22 dream sheep
  7 hippogriffs
  An ice dragon zombie (D:15)
  A stone giant simulacrum (Vaults:3)
  A blink frog (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  6 flying skulls (Depths:2)
  70 redbacks
  3 air elementals
  Sigmund (D:4)
  31 tarantellas
  2 wyverns
  23 spriggans
  A shadow (D:15)
  A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  9 wraiths
  A wyvern (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A human (D:7)
  2 water elementals
  6 hogs
  3 vampires (Vaults:3)
  The ghost of Sbamiri the Ducker, an amateur DrTm (D:4)
  30 yaks
  4 basilisks
  A golden eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  23 vampire mosquitoes
  Grum (D:11)
  5 hungry ghosts
  Menkaure (D:4)
  9 wargs
  A wind drake skeleton (Crypt:1)
  16 swamp worms
  4 human simulacra
  An acid dragon (Vaults:1)
  A spiny frog zombie (Crypt:1)
  12 water moccasins
  An orb spider zombie (Crypt:1)
  7 human skeletons
  6 porcupines
  5 hell hounds (Depths:2)
  3 sky beasts
  3 slaves (D:7)
  5 ettin simulacra (Depths:4)
  40 orc warriors
  9 black bears
  4 eyes of draining
  3 ice beasts
  2 necrophages (Crypt:1)
  A hornet zombie (D:12)
  2 phantoms
  10 swamp drakes
  16 boggarts
  37 ogres
  37 centaurs
  32 wolves
  7 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds
  A yaktaur zombie (D:15)
  22 bullfrogs
  A wyvern zombie (D:11)
  A glowing shapeshifter simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  An elf skeleton (Crypt:1)
  A cyclops skeleton (Crypt:1)
  2 wyvern skeletons (D:7)
  2 scorpions
  23 wights
  9 killer bees
  8 electric eels
  11 howler monkeys
  A vampire bat (Lair:6)
  3 bullfrog zombies
  4 centaur zombies
  4 crimson imps
  2 quasits
  9 hounds
  A jelly (D:14)
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:11)
  5 centaur skeletons
  An iron imp (Depths:1)
  18 orc priests
  30 orc wizards
  Crazy Yiuf (D:7)
  Natasha (thrice) (D:2)
  12 iguanas
  2 hell rats (Lair:6)
  Terence (D:2)
  12 worker ants
  A bullfrog simulacrum (D:11)
  4 hound skeletons
  A howler monkey zombie (D:7)
  Robin (D:2)
  A worker ant zombie (D:11)
  14 adders
  10 river rats
  6 shadow imps
  A white imp (Depths:3)
  4 worms
  A dart slug (D:1)
  7 leopard geckos
  62 orcs
  5 ball pythons
  7 bats (Lair:6)
  5 giant cockroaches
  10 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  7 jackals
  32 kobolds
  4 quokkas
  3 frilled lizards
  A jackal skeleton (D:4)
  A jackal zombie (D:3)
  2 leopard gecko skeletons (D:5)
  A quokka skeleton (D:8)
  27 rats
  A briar patch (Swamp:2)
  3 plants
1899 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A yaktaur (D:13)
1 creature vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A lich (Vaults:3)
  A fire dragon (Depths:1)
  A deep elf knight (Vaults:3)
  An unseen horror (D:11)
  An orb spider (Spider:2)
  A deep elf mage (Vaults:1)
  2 tarantellas
  2 hogs (Swamp:2)
  A swamp worm (Swamp:2)
  2 orc warriors
  A crimson imp (D:14)
  An orc (Vaults:4)
  9 fungi
  17 plants
  5 withered plants (D:15)
46 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1946 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | 99apples the Ghoul Monk began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   198 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/26 MP: 1/1
   960 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
   960 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/31 MP: 2/2
  1055 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  1139 | D:2      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  1145 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1174 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  1174 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/40 MP: 3/3
  1521 | D:2      | Noticed Terence
  1526 | D:2      | Killed Terence
  1727 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1738 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  1738 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  1738 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/46 MP: 4/4
  1947 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1952 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  2061 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  2065 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  2095 | D:3      | Found a glowing drain.
  2116 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  2302 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/53 MP: 5/5
  2837 | D:3      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  3005 | D:3      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  3277 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  3285 | D:4      | Noticed Sbamiri's ghost (amateur DrTm)
  3332 | D:4      | Killed Sbamiri's ghost
  3332 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  3332 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/61 MP: 6/6
  3641 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  3767 | D:4      | Noticed Menkaure
  3778 | D:4      | Killed Menkaure
  3778 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 45/70 MP: 7/7
  3875 | D:4      | Noticed Sigmund
  3883 | D:4      | Killed Sigmund
  3924 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3928 | D:5      | Found Gaushruh's Assorted Antiques.
  4062 | D:5      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  4066 | D:5      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  4073 | D:5      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  4133 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  4469 | D:5      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  5049 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  5448 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 73/77 MP: 8/8
  5497 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
  5687 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  5699 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5708 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5713 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  5713 | Temple   | Reached * piety under Okawaru
  5713 | Temple   | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
  5905 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
  5905 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
  5905 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  6101 | D:7      | Noticed Pikel
  6108 | D:7      | Killed Pikel
  6228 | D:7      | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
  6239 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 59/88 MP: 11/11
  6240 | D:7      | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
  6439 | D:7      | Found a runed door.
  6443 | D:7      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  6447 | D:7      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  6513 | D:7      | Found Cotai's Antique Armour Shop.
  6752 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  6813 | D:8      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  6813 | D:8      | Reached **** piety under Okawaru
  6943 | D:8      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
  6971 | D:8      | Found Sishrob's Antique Armour Boutique.
  7169 | D:8      | Found Orrall's Magic Scroll Shop.
  7243 | D:8      | Found Nemag's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
  7971 | D:9      | Received a gift from Okawaru
  7990 | D:9      | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
  8101 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  8308 | D:9      | Found Efaceam's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
  8340 | D:9      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  8380 | D:9      | Killed Prince Ribbit
  8500 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8653 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8690 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 97/97 MP: 13/13
  8712 | D:10     | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru
  8764 | D:10     | Got a pair of dazzling gloves
  8770 | D:10     | Identified the +1 pair of gloves of the Mind {rCorr Slay+3} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
  8770 | D:10     | Pretty sweet gloves
  9035 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  9045 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
  9230 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  9239 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
  9239 | D:10     | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
  9363 | D:10     | Killed an unseen horror
  9363 | D:10     | Received a gift from Okawaru
  9860 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 10411 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 10906 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 10929 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 10941 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 10954 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 106/106 MP: 9/16
 12093 | Lair:3   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 12228 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 12232 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 12790 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 13563 | Lair:4   | Upgraded the game from 0.21-a0-297-ga3d34c2 to 0.21-a0-309-g57ddf66
 13841 | Lair:5   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 13853 | Lair:5   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 14066 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 14070 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat
 14121 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 109/116 MP: 17/17
 14412 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 14951 | Lair:6   | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru
 15203 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 15231 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 15377 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat
 15486 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 110/126 MP: 14/18
 15550 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 15550 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 16311 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 16313 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 16550 | D:8      | Bought the +1 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--} for 1112 gold pieces
 16550 | D:8      | Found the +1 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
 16635 | D:11     | Noticed Sonja
 16643 | D:11     | Killed Sonja
 16643 | D:11     | Reached skill level 17 in Unarmed Combat
 16682 | D:11     | Noticed Nergalle
 16697 | D:11     | Killed Nergalle
 16775 | D:11     | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 16780 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 16999 | Lab      | Received a gift from Okawaru
 17309 | D:11     | Noticed Grum
 17325 | D:11     | Killed Grum
 18094 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 18414 | D:12     | Found Nihucrik's Armour Emporium.
 18438 | D:12     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 135/135 MP: 19/19
 18501 | D:12     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 18704 | D:12     | Found Syvvayra's Armour Boutique.
 18724 | D:12     | Found Korud's Jewellery Emporium.
 18898 | D:12     | Found Fakk's General Store.
 19046 | D:13     | Found Wuniezeh's Distillery.
 19103 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19383 | D:13     | Reached skill level 18 in Unarmed Combat
 19654 | D:13     | Noticed a storm dragon
 19660 | D:13     | Killed a storm dragon
 19660 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19748 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 20164 | D:14     | Noticed Frances
 20174 | D:14     | Killed Frances
 20174 | D:14     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 20256 | D:14     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 104/145 MP: 17/20
 20347 | D:14     | Got a fine bronze ring
 20351 | D:14     | Identified the cursed ring of Generosity {*Slow rN+ Int+4 Dex-3 SInv} (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 20352 | D:14     | Upgraded the game from 0.21-a0-309-g57ddf66 to 0.21-a0-319-g17ab366
 20490 | D:14     | Reached skill level 19 in Unarmed Combat
 20643 | D:14     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 21218 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 21501 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 22126 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 22367 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 22742 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 22963 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 23037 | Orc:1    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 23271 | Orc:2    | Found Zatwoq's General Store.
 23457 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 23499 | Orc:2    | Found Justuxec's Armour Shop.
 23505 | Orc:2    | Found Vumyts's Assorted Antiques.
 23507 | Orc:2    | Found Baolioxi's Weapon Emporium.
 23587 | Orc:2    | Noticed Erolcha
 23598 | Orc:2    | Killed Erolcha
 23708 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 127 gold pieces
 23953 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 24076 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Louise
 24130 | Swamp:1  | Killed Louise
 24218 | Swamp:1  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 115/153 MP: 21/21
 24407 | Swamp:1  | Reached skill level 20 in Unarmed Combat
 25074 | Swamp:2  | Noticed Donald
 25091 | Swamp:2  | Killed Donald
 25199 | Swamp:2  | Noticed Nikola
 25267 | Swamp:2  | Killed Nikola
 25267 | Swamp:2  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 25392 | Swamp:2  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 25392 | Swamp:2  | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 25695 | Swamp:2  | Found the steaming robe
 26091 | Swamp:2  | Noticed Kirke
 26112 | Swamp:2  | Killed Kirke
 26112 | Swamp:2  | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 26746 | Swamp:3  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 26790 | Swamp:3  | Identified the +0 hat "Lynuq" {+Blink} (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp)
 27152 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 27559 | Swamp:4  | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 27658 | Swamp:4  | Reached XP level 18. HP: 153/163 MP: 22/22
 27692 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 28252 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 28829 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 21 in Unarmed Combat
 28880 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 30160 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 31252 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 31422 | Spider:3 | Noticed Mara
 31455 | Spider:3 | Noticed 99apples's illusion
 31558 | Spider:3 | Noticed Arachne
 31635 | Spider:3 | Killed Arachne
 31665 | Spider:3 | Noticed Bai Suzhen
 31690 | Spider:3 | Killed Bai Suzhen
 31690 | Spider:3 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 156/172 MP: 21/23
 32027 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 32581 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 22 in Unarmed Combat
 32894 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 33019 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 33020 | Spider:4 | Found the +8 lance "Wyrmbane" {slay drac, rPois rF+ rC+ AC+3}
 33131 | Spider:3 | Noticed 99apples's illusion
 33460 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 33850 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 34717 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 34720 | Vaults:1 | Got a jewelled shield {god gift}
 34736 | Vaults:1 | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 34760 | Vaults:1 | Identified the +1 shield "Bamofyn" {-Cast rCorr Int+4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Vaults)
 34894 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 167/184 MP: 19/24
 34993 | Vaults:1 | Found Pavuvilo's General Store.
 35135 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 23 in Unarmed Combat
 36134 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Mennas
 36211 | Vaults:2 | Killed Mennas
 36357 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 36559 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 36691 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Boris
 36710 | Vaults:2 | Killed Boris
 37367 | Vaults:3 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 156/193 MP: 25/25
 37812 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 37957 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 38140 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Jory
 38146 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Jorgrun
 38165 | Vaults:3 | Killed Jory
 38187 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 24 in Unarmed Combat
 38194 | Vaults:3 | Killed Jorgrun
 38439 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 38586 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Saint Roka
 38626 | Vaults:3 | Killed Saint Roka
 38697 | Vaults:3 | Found the +5 robe of Night {Dark MR+ SInv}
 38705 | Vaults:3 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 38711 | Vaults:3 | Identified the +1 hat of Philately {rF++ Int+9 SInv Stlth-} (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)
 39397 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 39708 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 201/203 MP: 26/26
 40432 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 40616 | Vaults:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Vaults
 40684 | Crypt:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt
 41047 | Crypt:1  | Noticed Xtahua
 41068 | Crypt:1  | Killed Xtahua
 41074 | Crypt:1  | Noticed Frederick
 41128 | Crypt:1  | Killed Frederick
 41128 | Crypt:1  | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 41345 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
 41345 | Depths:1 | Found Keqengef's Island Escapes.
 41979 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 42805 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell.
 43005 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 204/213 MP: 28/28
 43274 | Depths:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 43358 | Depths:2 | Identified the ring of Noon {*Tele rElec rPois Str-2} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)
 43568 | Depths:2 | Reached skill level 25 in Unarmed Combat
 43570 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 44399 | Depths:3 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
 45022 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
 45433 | Depths:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 45627 | Depths:4 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 45961 | Depths:4 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 46067 | Depths:4 | Noticed a golden dragon
 46588 | Depths:3 | Killed a golden dragon
 46748 | Depths:4 | Noticed a golden dragon
 46768 | Depths:4 | Killed a golden dragon
 46768 | Depths:4 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 204/223 MP: 29/29
 46887 | Depths:4 | Identified the +2 pair of gloves "Pyhocurr" {rElec SInv} (You found it on level 4 of the Depths)
 46924 | Depths:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Unarmed Combat |     4     5     6  7  9 10 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24    25 | 25.4
Armour         |        1     2  3     4  5  7  8     9 10 11 12       13 14    15 16 | 16.2
Fighting       |           4     5     6  8  9 10 11 12 13    14 15 16 17    18 19    | 19.8
Invocations    |                          3  5  6  7                                  |  7.1
Dodging        |                                3  4           5  6  7  9 10 11 12 13 | 13.5
Shields        |                                   3  5  7  8  9 10 11                | 11.0
Evocations     |                                               3  5           6  8  9 |  9.9
Polearms       |                                                                      |  0.3
Stealth        |                                                                      |  2.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |    97 |   262 |   314 |   677 |  1230 |  1781 |  1749 |  1309 ||  7419
       Punch             |     2 |     7 |     8 |    16 |       |       |       |       ||    33
       Lance             |       |       |       |       |       |       |    24 |    25 ||    49
Throw: Javelin           |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |       |       ||     3
       Tomahawk          |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |       |       ||     3
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |       |     2 |     7 |    10 |     9 |     3 ||    31
       Finesse           |       |       |       |     1 |     2 |     3 |     5 |     3 ||    14
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     4 |     7 |     2 |     2 |    13 ||    28
       Phial of floods   |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Sack of spiders   |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     8 |     2 |     9 |    13 |     3 |     7 |    11 |     7 ||    60
       Potion            |       |     1 |     3 |       |       |       |       |     8 ||    12
 Stab: Sleeping          |     1 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
  Eat: Chunk             |     2 |    17 |    17 |    48 |   102 |   187 |   171 |   117 ||   661
Armor: Robe              |     2 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     2
       Chain mail        |    31 |   107 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||   138
       Plate armour      |       |    26 |   224 |   410 |   733 |   883 |   583 |   532 ||  3391
Dodge: Dodged            |    30 |    73 |   110 |   195 |   563 |   844 |   652 |   687 ||  3154
Block: Buckler           |       |       |       |    55 |   340 |   484 |   394 |   345 ||  1618

Table legend:
 A = Spawn XP
 B = Non-spawn XP
 C = Spawn XP percentage of total XP
 D = Spawn monster count
 E = Non-spawn monster count
 F = Spawn count percentage of total count
 G = Total turns spent on level

                 A         B        C        D         E        F        G   
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
      Total |       0 |  846696 |   0.0 |       0 |    1899 |   0.0 |   46934
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
        D:1 |       0 |      21 |   0.0 |       0 |      11 |   0.0 |     857
        D:2 |       0 |     223 |   0.0 |       0 |      33 |   0.0 |    1220
        D:3 |       0 |      91 |   0.0 |       0 |      15 |   0.0 |     607
        D:4 |       0 |     956 |   0.0 |       0 |      24 |   0.0 |     591
        D:5 |       0 |     590 |   0.0 |       0 |      16 |   0.0 |     973
        D:6 |       0 |     275 |   0.0 |       0 |      12 |   0.0 |     663
        D:7 |       0 |    2862 |   0.0 |       0 |      19 |   0.0 |    1044
        D:8 |       0 |    2707 |   0.0 |       0 |      28 |   0.0 |    1317
        D:9 |       0 |    1290 |   0.0 |       0 |      14 |   0.0 |     847
       D:10 |       0 |    5135 |   0.0 |       0 |      40 |   0.0 |    1204
       D:11 |       0 |   14860 |   0.0 |       0 |      67 |   0.0 |    1135
       D:12 |       0 |    7477 |   0.0 |       0 |      65 |   0.0 |    1023
       D:13 |       0 |   20847 |   0.0 |       0 |      42 |   0.0 |     956
       D:14 |       0 |   26123 |   0.0 |       0 |      70 |   0.0 |    1389
       D:15 |       0 |   18466 |   0.0 |       0 |      43 |   0.0 |    1250
     Lair:1 |       0 |    2677 |   0.0 |       0 |      17 |   0.0 |    1099
     Lair:2 |       0 |    3295 |   0.0 |       0 |      14 |   0.0 |    1063
     Lair:3 |       0 |    2373 |   0.0 |       0 |      11 |   0.0 |     794
     Lair:4 |       0 |    4557 |   0.0 |       0 |      25 |   0.0 |    1016
     Lair:5 |       0 |    9860 |   0.0 |       0 |      42 |   0.0 |    1297
     Lair:6 |       0 |   30730 |   0.0 |       0 |     124 |   0.0 |    1591
    Swamp:1 |       0 |   17712 |   0.0 |       0 |      35 |   0.0 |    1041
    Swamp:2 |       0 |   20761 |   0.0 |       0 |      38 |   0.0 |    1305
    Swamp:3 |       0 |   19708 |   0.0 |       0 |      45 |   0.0 |    1019
    Swamp:4 |       0 |   17594 |   0.0 |       0 |      39 |   0.0 |     842
   Spider:1 |       0 |   28257 |   0.0 |       0 |      73 |   0.0 |    1643
   Spider:2 |       0 |   19218 |   0.0 |       0 |      53 |   0.0 |    1219
   Spider:3 |       0 |   24636 |   0.0 |       0 |      42 |   0.0 |    1070
   Spider:4 |       0 |   31465 |   0.0 |       0 |      56 |   0.0 |    1086
      Orc:1 |       0 |    4232 |   0.0 |       0 |      30 |   0.0 |     614
      Orc:2 |       0 |   10146 |   0.0 |       0 |      35 |   0.0 |     847
   Vaults:1 |       0 |   67195 |   0.0 |       0 |     111 |   0.0 |    2051
   Vaults:2 |       0 |   59349 |   0.0 |       0 |      74 |   0.0 |    1701
   Vaults:3 |       0 |   94691 |   0.0 |       0 |     136 |   0.0 |    2125
   Vaults:4 |       0 |   54327 |   0.0 |       0 |      74 |   0.0 |    1436
    Crypt:1 |       0 |   22078 |   0.0 |       0 |      23 |   0.0 |     459
   Depths:1 |       0 |   58590 |   0.0 |       0 |      68 |   0.0 |    1525
   Depths:2 |       0 |   57202 |   0.0 |       0 |      86 |   0.0 |    1227
   Depths:3 |       0 |   26498 |   0.0 |       0 |      36 |   0.0 |    1636
   Depths:4 |       0 |   56413 |   0.0 |       0 |      64 |   0.0 |    1062
        Lab |       0 |    1051 |   0.0 |       0 |       1 |   0.0 |     380
      Sewer |       0 |     158 |   0.0 |       0 |      48 |   0.0 |     649
            +---------+---------+-------+---------+---------+-------+---------
I'm with tasonir on this one.
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Post Saturday, 30th September 2017, 02:08

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

No. Stick to UC. Wymbanes low base damage makes it a kinda meh weapon for characters that train a lot of weapon skill.
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Post Saturday, 30th September 2017, 02:43

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

Ended up winning with 5 runes, did tomb for the first time, was scary even as an undead.

Your reply came slow enough that I had already gone "screw it, I'm gonna do it, it's not every day you get to play with wyrmbane." It turns out that it does indeed slay dragons really hard, otherwise I didn't really use it.

Things I learned from this run: Oka has very spammable abilities. Spammed hero and finesse the entire run and never dipped down to 5*.
I'm with tasonir on this one.

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Post Saturday, 30th September 2017, 20:39

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

Wyrmbane is solid, especially for a build that could use the excess XP elsewhere from using a cheap weapon. But 25 UC is the hardest hitting thing in the game by far (short of having a little more UC skill).

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Post Saturday, 30th September 2017, 22:28

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

Midn8 wrote:Oka has very spammable abilities. Spammed hero and finesse the entire run and never dipped down to 5*.

What, has Oka been buffed or what?
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Post Sunday, 1st October 2017, 01:15

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

Oka's always been one of my favorite gods, and in my experience they really are just spammable like that. I wouldn't use finesse on every passing goblin, but you can use it in essentially any *dangerous* fight without issue. It doesn't cost that much. Heroism really is that expendable; it almost doesn't cost anything at all. It's one of Oka's strengths.

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Post Sunday, 1st October 2017, 16:23

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

I may have been too conservative on finesse myself, gotta use it more the next time I go Oka. I've always used heroism liberally though.

I seem to remember that Oka piety gain has been nerfed a couple of times in the past few years. That's probably why I've held back on finesse somewhat.
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Post Wednesday, 4th October 2017, 14:15

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

WingedEspeon wrote:No. Stick to UC. Wymbanes low base damage makes it a kinda meh weapon for characters that train a lot of weapon skill.

I used to think Wyrmbane is mediocre, but fsim convinced me otherwise.

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Post Wednesday, 4th October 2017, 23:24

Re: CIP: did it suddenly just become worth it to train polea

I once had a character that used heroism in every fight in an atempt to never get to finesse. I failed, maybe mid lairish?

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