Advice on avoiding emergencies

Sunday, 18th June 2017, 21:55 by Roy

I often find myself in a situation that seems like it will be an emergency in a few turns unless I play properly. In these situations, I'd like to learn what a good player would do. So I plan to post these cases in this one thread. If you have any advice, I'm happy to hear it. Also happy to hear any strategic mistakes, e.g. skilling or items.

So, to start off, I just ran into Rupert who has a 67% chance to confuse or paralyze me. Seems like certain death unless I get away.

The definitely safe thing is to ?blink all the way to the SW, which will be out of Rupert's LOS, then go straight to the stairs. But that seems wasteful. Is there an equally safe method that is less expensive? And is there any way to upgrade my character so I don't have to spend consumables in these situations? The only book I've found is Young Poisoners which is useless.

Thanks!

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Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.0-15-g7f486f2 (webtiles) character file. Roy the Impaler (Merfolk Gladiator) Turns: 18002, Time: 02:49:16 Health: 87/91 AC: 12 Str: 13 XL: 12 Next: 36% Magic: 16/16 EV: 12 Int: 11 God: Okawaru [*****.] Gold: 825 SH: 0 Dex: 16 Spells: 11/11 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis + a - +8 trident of Wounding {pierce, rC+} rCold . . . Gourm . (no shield) rNeg + . . Faith . C - +0 fire dragon scales rPois + Spirit . U - +1 hat {SInv} rElec . Reflect . S - +1 cloak {rPois} rCorr . Harm . (no gloves) MR ..... e - +0 pair of boots Stlth +......... (no amulet) Regen 0.3/turn y - ring of positive energy MPRegen 0.2/turn q - ring of stealth @: no status effects A: change form in water, swift swim, stealthy swim, weak 1, wild magic 1 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are on level 12 of the Dungeon. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 15 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary. You have collected 825 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - the +8 trident of Wounding (weapon) {pierce, rC+} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It protects you from cold. b - a +0 blowgun Missiles d - 2 throwing nets k - 245 stones (quivered) m - 5 tomahawks r - 3 needles of sleeping v - 32 poisoned needles w - 4 needles of frenzy P - 11 tomahawks of returning Armour e - a +0 pair of boots (worn) t - a runed chain mail u - a glowing robe B - the +1 robe of Qaces {rC++ Str+2} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) It affects your strength (+2). It greatly protects you from cold. C - +0 fire dragon scales (worn) D - an embroidered robe S - a +1 cloak of poison resistance (worn) U - a +1 hat of see invisible (worn) Jewellery q - a ring of stealth (right hand) y - a ring of positive energy (left hand) Q - a tourmaline ring T - a tubular glass ring W - a granite ring Y - an encrusted granite ring Wands i - a wand of paralysis (?/24) {recharged} z - a wand of confusion (?/48) {zapped: 15} K - a wand of iceblast (?/15) M - a wand of lightning (?/15) O - a wand of scattershot (?/9) R - a wand of iceblast (?/15) X - a wand of confusion (?/48) Scrolls j - 8 scrolls of identify l - a scroll of blinking o - 2 scrolls of fear x - 2 scrolls of recharging E - 2 scrolls of immolation F - 2 scrolls of teleportation G - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon H - 2 scrolls of amnesia N - a scroll of fog V - 2 scrolls of magic mapping Potions g - 2 potions of flight n - 3 potions of lignification p - 2 potions of curing s - 2 potions of haste A - 2 potions of brilliance I - 2 potions of heal wounds J - 3 potions of agility Comestibles c - 3 chunks of flesh f - 6 bread rations h - 7 royal jellies Skills: + Level 7.0 Fighting - Level 16.4 Polearms + Level 12.8 Throwing - Level 6.5 Dodging + Level 5.9 Invocations You have 11 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (2/6) D:10 Orc (0/2) D:11 Swamp: Lair:2-4 Shoals: Lair:2-4 Snake: Lair:2-4 Spider: Lair:2-4 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:9 } Annotations: D:4 scrolls beyond fire clouds, Dowan, Duvessa D:7 Menkaure D:9 1 runed door D:10 exclusion: two-headed ogre D:11 !hydra D:12 Rupert Lair:2 exclusion: 2 black mambas Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You revert to your normal form in water. You are very nimble and swift while swimming. You are very stealthy in the water. (Stealth+) You are weak. (Str -2) Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. Message History Drop what? 51/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop a +2 glaive of venom. Found a potion of brilliance. Rupert the Wild comes into view. He is wielding a great mace of holy wrath. Rupert shouts! Rupert is nearby! Rupert is nearby! Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel Here: Rupert, wielding a great mace of holy wrath and wearing a chain mail The floor. Unknown command. Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel Here: Rupert, wielding a great mace of holy wrath and wearing a chain mail The floor. Okay, then. Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel The floor. Okay, then. Evoke which item? (* to show all) (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. ########### #. #......!..## #####.# ###.......... ....... .....#....# .......####.#.#....##### ................@....... .......>..............@. ............#.....###### ##......#.#.####.... #....)...#.# ..... ..$....##.###.# ..... ...#......<##.# .... .. #......)...# #### . #...##.....# You can see Rupert. Vanquished Creatures Gastronok (Lair:1) Pikel (D:8) A cyclops (D:11) An ugly thing (D:11) A manticore (D:11) An elephant (D:10) Maurice (D:9) Joseph (D:8) A gargoyle (D:10) 5 spiny frogs A centaur skeleton (D:11) A komodo dragon (Lair:1) A troll (D:10) Prince Ribbit (D:8) 4 hippogriffs A meliai zombie (D:12) A wyvern (D:8) 14 yaks 3 hungry ghosts (D:11) 2 water moccasins 7 orc warriors 2 porcupines (Lair:1) 2 slaves 2 ice beasts A phantom (D:11) 3 black bears An eye of draining (D:8) 5 centaurs 4 wolves (Lair:2) 5 ogres 3 crocodiles 2 big kobolds A wyvern zombie (D:11) 4 bullfrogs A wyvern skeleton (D:10) 3 scorpions A water moccasin skeleton (D:9) 4 wights (D:7) 8 howler monkeys 7 crimson imps A quasit (D:8) 2 centaur zombies A jelly (D:10) 2 hounds A gnoll shaman (D:7) 7 orc priests A bullfrog skeleton (D:8) 2 iguanas 7 worker ants 11 orc wizards 6 ogre zombies (D:11) 2 worker ant zombies 6 gnolls 17 adders 6 shadow imps 2 adder zombies (D:5) 2 adder skeletons 3 worms (D:2) 3 dart slugs 4 leopard geckos 35 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:5) 3 giant cockroaches 8 goblins 10 hobgoblins 7 jackals 7 quokkas 7 bats 5 frilled lizards 2 giant cockroach zombies (D:5) A goblin skeleton (D:11) 3 goblin zombies (D:11) A hobgoblin skeleton (D:11) A hobgoblin zombie (D:11) 11 kobolds A leopard gecko zombie (D:5) 3 orc skeletons (D:11) 12 orc zombies (D:11) 2 quokka zombies 11 rats 327 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A plant (Lair:2) 1 creature vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A hungry ghost (D:8) A slave (D:8) An orc (D:8) 2 bushes (D:8) A plant (Lair:2) 6 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 334 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Roy the Merfolk Gladiator began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 1/1 312 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 583 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 2/2 1057 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/27 MP: 3/3 1287 | D:2 | Reached skill level 3 in Throwing 1724 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/33 MP: 4/4 1836 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 1902 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 5/5 2041 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Throwing 2353 | D:3 | Noticed an ogre 2478 | D:4 | scrolls beyond fire clouds 2488 | D:4 | HP: 9/38 [poisoned by a worker ant] 2489 | D:4 | HP: 4/38 [worker ant (5)] 2499 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 2698 | D:4 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 2716 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 2716 | Ossuary | Noticed BardHarp's ghost (amateur CeHu) 3135 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/44 MP: 6/6 3230 | D:3 | Noticed an angel 3241 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 3847 | D:4 | Noticed Dowan 3849 | D:4 | Noticed Duvessa 4030 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4387 | D:5 | Got a crude robe 4578 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 4578 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 5401 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/50 MP: 7/7 5465 | D:5 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 5466 | D:5 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 5469 | D:5 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 5541 | D:5 | Noticed a hippogriff 5699 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 5943 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 6147 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Throwing 6297 | D:6 | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting 6446 | D:6 | HP: 11/52 [centaur/arrow (4)] 6808 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 24/58 MP: 8/8 6992 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 7181 | D:5 | Identified the +1 robe of Qaces {rC++ Str+2} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) 7190 | D:5 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting 7263 | D:6 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 7740 | D:7 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 7812 | D:7 | Reached skill level 7 in Throwing 7941 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8009 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8054 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 8154 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 8172 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms 8194 | D:7 | Noticed Menkaure 8197 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 34/68 MP: 9/9 8614 | D:7 | Reached * piety under Okawaru 8721 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 8914 | D:7 | Reached skill level 8 in Throwing 8914 | D:7 | Reached skill level 2 in Invocations 9149 | D:7 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 9179 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 9179 | D:8 | Noticed Joseph 9228 | D:8 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 9274 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms 9498 | D:8 | Killed Prince Ribbit 9498 | D:8 | Reached ** piety under Okawaru 9498 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 9548 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 9548 | D:8 | Reached *** piety under Okawaru 9744 | D:8 | Reached skill level 9 in Throwing 9793 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 74/74 MP: 11/11 9868 | D:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms 10046 | D:8 | Killed Joseph 10556 | D:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 10847 | D:9 | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana. 11442 | D:9 | Found Yssick's Gadget Emporium. 11626 | D:9 | Found a runed door. 11631 | D:9 | Noticed a sixfirhy 11767 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11767 | D:10 | Noticed Maurice 11781 | D:9 | Killed Maurice 11781 | D:9 | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms 11781 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing 11834 | D:10 | Reached **** piety under Okawaru 12584 | D:10 | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [potion of mutation] 12584 | D:10 | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation] 12628 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 12657 | D:10 | Noticed an elephant 12691 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms 12884 | D:10 | Noticed a gargoyle 12958 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 80/80 MP: 12/12 12989 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13003 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 13041 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Throwing 13203 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 13223 | Lair:1 | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru 13223 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 13530 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 13675 | Lair:1 | Noticed Gastronok 13788 | Lair:1 | Killed Gastronok 13788 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Polearms 14315 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 12 in Throwing 14347 | Lair:1 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 14431 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Invocations 14621 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14877 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Invocations 14897 | Lair:2 | HP: 20/80 [black mamba (13)] 14919 | Lair:2 | HP: 11/80 [black mamba (4)] 15496 | D:10 | Got a scorched trident 15497 | D:10 | Identified the +8 trident of Wounding {pierce, rC+} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) 16053 | D:11 | Noticed a manticore 16061 | D:10 | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting 16061 | D:10 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 61/88 MP: 15/15 16207 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 16380 | D:11 | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging 17155 | D:11 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 17823 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 17963 | D:12 | Received a gift from Okawaru 17984 | D:12 | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting 18001 | D:12 | Noticed Rupert Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 | ---------------+-------------------------------------+----- Polearms | 5 6 7 8 9 11 12 15 16 | 16.4 Throwing | 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 12 | 12.8 Fighting | 3 5 6 7 | 7.0 Invocations | 2 4 5 | 5.9 Dodging | 5 6 | 6.5 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Trident | 129 | 228 | 141 | 164 || 662 Halberd | | | 173 | 304 || 477 Fire: Blowgun | | | 5 | 32 || 37 Throw: Stone | 24 | 112 | 190 | 363 || 689 Throwing net | | 1 | 1 | || 2 Tomahawk | | | 2 | 58 || 60 Invok: Heroism | | | | 5 || 5 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 2 | 5 || 8 Use: Scroll | | 6 | 11 | 2 || 19 Potion | | 2 | | 1 || 3 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | | 1 || 5 Paralysed | | 3 | 1 | || 4 Distracted | | | | 1 || 1 Eat: Bread ration | 1 | | | 1 || 2 Chunk | | 10 | 4 | 17 || 31 Meat ration | | | 2 | 1 || 3 Fruit | | | | 2 || 2 Armor: Leather armour | 19 | 18 | | || 37 Ring mail | | 18 | 36 | 45 || 99 Robe | | | 10 | 3 || 13 Fire dragon scale | | | | 27 || 27 Dodge: Dodged | 67 | 94 | 162 | 156 || 479

Monday, 19th June 2017, 05:30 by Fingolfin

You could also read ?fog. I don't think Rupert will be able to berserk out of los

Monday, 19th June 2017, 06:20 by VeryAngryFelid

100% safety gives just scroll of blinking. Potion of haste is close to that in this specific situation because Rupert is really close to edge of view so it will have only 4-5 chances to paralyze you and even if it does the paralysis should last at least 5 turns to be dangerous and then you can use scroll of blinking if necessary. OF course you still can die if Rupert paralyses you for 7 turns as its first action, then goes berserk as its second action and then has about 4 berserking attacks which can kill most characters from full HP.
If you had a scroll of summoning or summon butterflies or summon lightning spire (or scroll of fog in corridor and stairs were closer), it might block line of fire allowing you to retreat. Fear is unlikely to work, the same about teleport other and other things that check MR/HD.

Monday, 19th June 2017, 06:39 by chequers

In terms of "avoiding" emergencies, you should generally react to Rupert as soon as he moves into LoS -- it seems like you continued to move while Rupert was in view. You can prevent accidentally moving when dangerous monsters come into view by adding force_more entries for all (dangerous) uniques and monster types:

Code:: force_more_message += Rupert.*(comes? into view|opens the) force_more_message += hydra.*(comes? into view|opens the) force_more_message += juggernaut.*(comes? into view|opens the) # Add more lines for other monsters that kill you

Monday, 19th June 2017, 07:09 by TonberryJam

In most situation you flee Rupert. With enough MR you have an option to melee, but you need a way to either mitigate or escape if his rage mechanic kicks into gear.

It's better to use blink scrolls in those 100% gonna die scenarios like Rupert here.

Monday, 19th June 2017, 16:44 by Roy

Thanks for feedback, everyone!

So it seems like a ?blink situation then, which was my inclination. IIUC, ?fog would be risky since he might see through the fog on my way to the corner (4 turns).

chequers wrote:In terms of "avoiding" emergencies, you should generally react to Rupert as soon as he moves into LoS -- it seems like you continued to move while Rupert was in view. You can prevent accidentally moving when dangerous monsters come into view by adding force_more entries for all (dangerous) uniques and monster types:

I did not take any turns after spotting him - I always move with Shift-Direction. I suspect that he moved west as I was moving east, which is why he's not at edge of LOS.

Monday, 19th June 2017, 17:47 by le_nerd

Teleport takes 3 turns to kick in. Thats almost always enough time to get away from rupert. There is however the small chance of 'porting into his LOS again.

Tuesday, 20th June 2017, 00:11 by pedritolo

le_nerd wrote:Teleport takes 3 turns to kick in. Thats almost always enough time to get away from rupert. There is however the small chance of 'porting into his LOS again.

Or he paralyzes you before the tp kicks in, and you land within a group of dangerous monsters.

Tuesday, 20th June 2017, 06:19 by le_nerd

sure. Only use teleport as escape strategy if you have cleared a reasonable portion of the level.

Tuesday, 20th June 2017, 13:52 by Roy

Ended up using the ?blink since it seemed to be the only safe option. Now in Lair.

Strategy-wise, I'm a little worried that I'm not getting enough escape options. Haven't found any useful books, and Throwing only softens things up before they reach melee. I'll let you know how I progress.

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 04:10 by Roy

Another situation where the optimal tactics elude me. I opened a door to find 3 elf knights, 1 elf mage, 1 elf archer, and an ironheart preserver staring me in the face. On the same turn I opened the door, an elf knight hit me with a Stone Arrow for about 25% of my HP. So this looks like an emergency.

1. How would a good player handle this situation?
2. Anything I can do to avoid this in the future? I guess opening the door from one tile above would have been smarter, but that's pretty tedious to open every single door that way.
3. Strategy wise, should I have learned some more spells for these situations?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.0-15-g7f486f2 (webtiles) character file. Roy the Impaler (Merfolk Gladiator) Turns: 61530, Time: 12:24:15 Health: 119/155 AC: 17 Str: 17 XL: 19 Next: 45% Magic: 29/34 EV: 26 Int: 12 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 1119 SH: 0 Dex: 25 Spells: 16/27 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + a - +2 glaive (flame) rCold + + . Gourm . (shield currently unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . u - +3 ring mail "Kiogruikaff" {rC+ Str+2} rPois + Spirit . A - +0 helmet "Yrarhes" {MR+ MP+9 Stlth+} rElec + Reflect . S - +1 cloak {rPois} rCorr . Harm . h - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3} MR +++.. k - +0 pair of boots Stlth ++........ M - amulet of regeneration Regen 0.0/turn g - ring of see invisible MPRegen 0.3/turn G - ring of Ru's Scorn {+Blink +Fly rElec rC+ MR+ Dex+4} @: no status effects A: change form in water, swift swim, stealthy swim, thin metallic scales 1, inhibited regeneration, sturdy frame 1 }: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink, Evoke Flight You are on level 1 of the Vaults. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 33 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary and Volcano. You have collected 3527 gold pieces. You have spent 2408 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +2 glaive of flaming (weapon) b - a +0 blowgun c - the +8 trident of Wounding {pierce, rC+} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It protects you from cold. d - a +1 antimagic glaive Missiles e - 46 javelins of penetration f - 11 throwing nets l - 6 silver javelins m - 638 stones (quivered) o - 14 steel tomahawks r - 25 needles of sleeping v - 106 poisoned needles w - 4 needles of confusion x - 54 tomahawks E - 15 curare-tipped needles {!*} H - 3 needles of paralysis N - 17 javelins O - 7 javelins of returning P - 16 tomahawks of returning R - 5 tomahawks of dispersal X - 38 steel javelins Z - 35 poisoned javelins Armour h - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn) k - a +0 pair of boots (worn) u - the +3 ring mail "Kiogruikaff" (worn) {rC+ Str+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Shoals) It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. A - the +0 helmet "Yrarhes" (worn) {MR+ MP+9 Stlth+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It affects your magic capacity (+9). It makes you more stealthy. C - +0 fire dragon scales S - a +1 cloak of poison resistance (worn) Jewellery g - a ring of see invisible (left hand) q - an uncursed ring of stealth y - an uncursed ring of positive energy G - the ring of Ru's Scorn (right hand) {+Blink +Fly rElec rC+ MR+ Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Shoals) [ring of protection from magic] It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you fly. It lets you blink. M - an amulet of regeneration (around neck) T - an uncursed ring of protection from fire Wands W - a wand of disintegration (?/24) Scrolls i - a scroll of blinking j - 10 scrolls of identify z - 3 scrolls of fog F - 16 scrolls of teleportation K - 7 scrolls of remove curse Q - a scroll of silence {!r} V - 8 scrolls of magic mapping Potions n - 4 potions of lignification p - 8 potions of curing s - 4 potions of haste t - a potion of cancellation I - a potion of resistance J - 4 potions of agility L - a potion of magic U - 2 potions of might Comestibles B - 5 chunks of flesh Y - 16 bread rations Skills: + Level 15.0 Fighting - Level 20.0 Polearms * Level 19.3 Throwing + Level 15.5 Dodging - Level 4.5 Spellcasting + Level 7.2 Hexes - Level 5.3 Charms - Level 2.0 Necromancy - Level 6.8 Translocations - Level 2.7 Air Magic - Level 8.0 Invocations - Level 3.0 Evocations You have 16 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 12% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 2% 2 ##..... c - Confuse Hex ###..... 4% 3 ###.... p - Portal Projectile Hex/Tloc ###... 4% 3 ###.... w - Swiftness Chrm/Air ##...... 9% 2 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (6/6) D:10 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2 Spider (4/4) Lair:4 Slime (0/5) Lair:6 Orc (2/2) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:2 Vaults (1/5) D:13 Depths (0/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:9 } D:13 **( D:15 = Orc:2 [(*: Shoals:2 *:}(* Vaults:1 [ Annotations: D:7 Menkaure D:9 1 runed door Shoals:3 Bai Suzhen Spider:3 Arachne Spider:4 Jorgrun, Nikola Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You revert to your normal form in water. You are very nimble and swift while swimming. You are very stealthy in the water. (Stealth+) You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2) You do not regenerate when monsters are visible. Your movements are slightly less encumbered by armour. (ER -2) Message History Casting: Confuse Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Confuse Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - deep elf mage Aim: a deep elf mage, wielding a long sword (chance to defeat MR: 32%) Okay, then. Unknown command. Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel Here: a deep elf knight, wielding a long sword and wearing a leather armour An open door. Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel Here: a deep elf mage, wielding a long sword The floor. Casting: Confuse Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Confuse Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - ironheart preserver Aim: an ironheart preserver, wielding a dire flail and wearing a leather armour (chance to defeat MR: 32%) Okay, then. Okay, then. #.....# #.....# ######## #.....# #......### #.....# #..#.#...###.....# # #.#..#..†.##.....# ##. #....###..##.....# #.ee#.###..#...#.....# +.eee@Z.#..###.#.....# ##p.##..###....#.))..# ## #....#..#.#.....# ##.).#.#..'.....# ###......#.....# ########.....# #.....# #.....# #.....+ You can see an ironheart preserver, a deep elf archer, 3 deep elf knights, a deep elf mage and a friendly acid dragon skeleton. Vanquished Creatures Rupert (D:13) Polyphemus (Shoals:3) An acid blob (Lair:6) Agnes (Spider:1) Gastronok (Lair:1) Donald (Shoals:3) Ilsuiw (Shoals:4) 5 ghost moths An orc warlord (Orc:2) A vault warden (Vaults:1) Aizul (Spider:1) Louise (Shoals:4) 6 emperor scorpions 2 entropy weavers A stone giant (Orc:1) A deep elf demonologist (D:13) The ghost of coatrack the Whirler, a journeyman HaAM of Dithmenos (Orc:2) A spark wasp (Spider:2) 8 merfolk javelineers 8 merfolk impalers 2 fire dragons Josephine (Shoals:1) A vault guard (D:13) A rakshasa (D:15) 2 ice dragons 7 hydras 7 merfolk avatars 4 alligator snapping turtles 5 two-headed ogres 6 merfolk aquamancers 3 satyrs 6 catoblepae A death knight (D:14) A vampire mage (D:15) 4 death yaks An orc high priest (Orc:2) An ogre mage (Vaults:1) Sonja (D:15) A hell knight (Volcano) A deep elf knight (Vaults:1) Nergalle (Lair:2) 2 skeletal warriors (D:15) 13 sea snakes A salamander mystic (Volcano) 2 unseen horrors A lindwurm (Lair:6) 5 wizards 6 harpies A swamp dragon (Lair:6) Pikel (D:8) A deep elf archer (D:13) A phantasmal warrior (D:14) A tengu zombie (D:15) 7 orc knights A necromancer (D:15) 16 orb spiders A deep elf mage (Vaults:1) 21 wolf spiders 27 fauns 6 salamanders (Volcano) 2 orc sorcerers (Orc:2) 9 cyclopes 11 ugly things A moth of wrath (Spider:1) 12 manticores 18 merfolk sirens An elephant (D:10) A stone giant skeleton (D:15) 4 water nymphs Maurice (D:9) 5 black mambas Joseph (D:8) 3 gargoyles 7 torpor snails 2 kobold demonologists (D:11) 12 spiny frogs 3 centaur skeletons 3 rime drakes (Lair:6) 8 komodo dragons 8 demonic crawlers 3 freezing wraiths (D:14) 5 yaktaurs (Vaults:1) 20 jumping spiders 11 trolls A polar bear (Lair:6) 2 wind drakes 5 slime creatures 44 merfolk 3 tyrant leeches (Lair:6) 10 hornets Prince Ribbit (D:8) 21 hippogriffs 15 dream sheep An ice dragon zombie (D:15) A meliai zombie (D:12) A deep troll zombie (D:15) 15 snapping turtles 14 blink frogs 5 wyverns 2 shadows (D:14) 5 wraiths 72 redbacks A yak (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 30 yaks 24 tarantellas A golden eye (shapeshifter) (D:13) 12 water elementals A hog (shapeshifter) (D:13) 2 steam dragons (Lair:6) 19 humans (D:13) 5 basilisks 4 hungry ghosts 4 wargs 3 vampire mosquitoes 3 acid dragons 11 water moccasins Duvessa (D:4) 40 orc warriors A swamp drake (Lair:6) 6 porcupines 2 slaves A sky beast (D:11) 3 ice beasts 2 phantoms (D:11) 3 black bears 3 eyes of draining 16 centaurs 9 wolves 10 ogres 15 crocodiles 4 big kobolds Blork the orc (Orc:2) A wyvern zombie (D:11) 18 bullfrogs Dowan (D:4) A wyvern skeleton (D:10) 4 scorpions A water moccasin skeleton (D:9) A troll zombie (D:11) 2 electric eels (Spider:1) 4 wights (D:7) 8 howler monkeys 10 crimson imps A quasit (D:8) 4 centaur zombies 2 jellies 4 hounds A gnoll shaman (D:7) 15 orc priests 2 bullfrog skeletons 4 iguanas 10 worker ants 29 orc wizards 7 ogre zombies 2 worker ant zombies 6 gnolls 18 adders 7 shadow imps 2 adder zombies (D:5) 2 adder skeletons 3 worms (D:2) 4 dart slugs 6 leopard geckos 88 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:5) 3 giant cockroaches 8 goblins 10 hobgoblins 7 jackals 8 quokkas 7 bats 5 frilled lizards 2 giant cockroach zombies (D:5) A goblin skeleton (D:11) 3 goblin zombies (D:11) A hobgoblin skeleton (D:11) A hobgoblin zombie (D:11) 27 kobolds A leopard gecko zombie (D:5) 3 orc skeletons (D:11) 16 orc zombies (D:11) 2 quokka zombies 11 rats A fungus (Lair:5) 7 plants A withered plant (D:15) 1216 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A two-headed ogre (Vaults:1) An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:1) 2 trolls A hippogriff (D:13) An ogre (Vaults:1) A plant (Lair:2) 7 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A faun (Shoals:3) A redback (Spider:2) A hungry ghost (D:8) A slave (D:8) An orc (D:8) 2 bushes (D:8) 3 fungi 26 plants 10 withered plants (D:15) 46 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1269 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Roy the Merfolk Gladiator began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 1/1 312 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 583 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 2/2 1057 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/27 MP: 3/3 1287 | D:2 | Reached skill level 3 in Throwing 1724 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/33 MP: 4/4 1836 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 1902 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 5/5 2041 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Throwing 2353 | D:3 | Noticed an ogre 2478 | D:4 | scrolls beyond fire clouds 2488 | D:4 | HP: 9/38 [poisoned by a worker ant] 2489 | D:4 | HP: 4/38 [worker ant (5)] 2499 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 2698 | D:4 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 2716 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 2716 | Ossuary | Noticed BardHarp's ghost (amateur CeHu) 3135 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/44 MP: 6/6 3230 | D:3 | Noticed an angel 3241 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 3847 | D:4 | Noticed Dowan 3849 | D:4 | Noticed Duvessa 4030 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4387 | D:5 | Got a crude robe 4578 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 4578 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 5401 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/50 MP: 7/7 5465 | D:5 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 5466 | D:5 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 5469 | D:5 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 5541 | D:5 | Noticed a hippogriff 5699 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 5943 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 6147 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Throwing 6297 | D:6 | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting 6446 | D:6 | HP: 11/52 [centaur/arrow (4)] 6808 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 24/58 MP: 8/8 6992 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 7181 | D:5 | Identified the +1 robe of Qaces {rC++ Str+2} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) 7190 | D:5 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting 7263 | D:6 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 7740 | D:7 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 7812 | D:7 | Reached skill level 7 in Throwing 7941 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8009 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8054 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 8154 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 8172 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms 8194 | D:7 | Noticed Menkaure 8197 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 34/68 MP: 9/9 8614 | D:7 | Reached * piety under Okawaru 8721 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 8914 | D:7 | Reached skill level 8 in Throwing 8914 | D:7 | Reached skill level 2 in Invocations 9149 | D:7 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 9179 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 9179 | D:8 | Noticed Joseph 9228 | D:8 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 9274 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms 9498 | D:8 | Killed Prince Ribbit 9498 | D:8 | Reached ** piety under Okawaru 9498 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 9548 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 9548 | D:8 | Reached *** piety under Okawaru 9744 | D:8 | Reached skill level 9 in Throwing 9793 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 74/74 MP: 11/11 9868 | D:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms 10046 | D:8 | Killed Joseph 10556 | D:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 10847 | D:9 | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana. 11442 | D:9 | Found Yssick's Gadget Emporium. 11626 | D:9 | Found a runed door. 11631 | D:9 | Noticed a sixfirhy 11767 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11767 | D:10 | Noticed Maurice 11781 | D:9 | Killed Maurice 11781 | D:9 | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms 11781 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Throwing 11834 | D:10 | Reached **** piety under Okawaru 12584 | D:10 | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [potion of mutation] 12584 | D:10 | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation] 12628 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 12657 | D:10 | Noticed an elephant 12691 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms 12884 | D:10 | Noticed a gargoyle 12958 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 80/80 MP: 12/12 12989 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13003 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 13041 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Throwing 13203 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 13223 | Lair:1 | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru 13223 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 13530 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 13675 | Lair:1 | Noticed Gastronok 13788 | Lair:1 | Killed Gastronok 13788 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Polearms 14315 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 12 in Throwing 14347 | Lair:1 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 14431 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Invocations 14621 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14877 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Invocations 14897 | Lair:2 | HP: 20/80 [black mamba (13)] 14919 | Lair:2 | HP: 11/80 [black mamba (4)] 15496 | D:10 | Got a scorched trident 15497 | D:10 | Identified the +8 trident of Wounding {pierce, rC+} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) 16053 | D:11 | Noticed a manticore 16061 | D:10 | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting 16061 | D:10 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 61/88 MP: 15/15 16207 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 16380 | D:11 | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging 17155 | D:11 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 17823 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 17963 | D:12 | Received a gift from Okawaru 17984 | D:12 | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting 18001 | D:12 | Noticed Rupert 18026 | D:11 | Noticed a two-headed ogre 18038 | D:11 | Killed a two-headed ogre 18038 | D:11 | Reached skill level 6 in Invocations 18076 | D:11 | Reached skill level 13 in Throwing 18892 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 18912 | Orc:1 | Noticed a stone giant 19691 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 7 in Invocations 19829 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting 20014 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 20057 | Lair:2 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 20261 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 20311 | Lair:2 | Noticed Nergalle 20927 | Lair:2 | Killed Nergalle 20927 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 99/99 MP: 16/18 21110 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 8 in Invocations 21400 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting 21915 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Dodging 22896 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 14 in Throwing 22991 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 23557 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 24303 | Lair:5 | Noticed a fire dragon 24337 | Lair:5 | Killed a fire dragon 24337 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Dodging 24833 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 25273 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 17 in Polearms 25704 | D:11 | Received a gift from Okawaru 25723 | Orc:1 | Killed a stone giant 25723 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 9 in Dodging 25882 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 26064 | Orc:2 | Found a dark tunnel. 26076 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 26128 | Volcano | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 26194 | Volcano | Reached XP level 14. HP: 78/111 MP: 20/20 26561 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 26648 | Orc:2 | Noticed Blork the orc 26692 | Orc:2 | Killed Blork the orc 27084 | Orc:2 | Noticed coatrack's ghost (journeyman HaAM) 27114 | Orc:2 | Killed coatrack's ghost 27114 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 27480 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 27690 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting 28749 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Polearms 29032 | Orc:2 | Killed an orc warlord 29057 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 29067 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Throwing 29123 | Orc:2 | Found Zeguhid's Book Emporium. 29242 | Orc:2 | Found Doisuirch's Antique Weapon Emporium. 29265 | Orc:2 | Found Tuymypsa's General Store. 29292 | Orc:2 | Found Sairel's Antique Armour Emporium. 29773 | Orc:2 | Bought a bloodstained scythe for 176 gold pieces 29773 | Orc:2 | Identified the +10 scythe of Leonotennu {protect, +Blink} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) 29791 | Orc:2 | Bought a jewelled helmet for 218 gold pieces 29801 | Orc:2 | Identified the +0 helmet "Yrarhes" {MR+ MP+9 Stlth+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) 30005 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals 30053 | Shoals:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 30065 | Shoals:1 | Got a crude ring mail 30092 | Lair:2 | Identified the +3 ring mail "Kiogruikaff" {rC+ Str+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Shoals) 30279 | Shoals:1 | Reached skill level 11 in Dodging 30433 | Shoals:1 | HP: 17/113 [alligator snapping turtle (40)] 31205 | Shoals:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 31240 | Shoals:1 | Noticed Josephine 31613 | Shoals:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 32565 | Shoals:1 | Killed Josephine 32565 | Shoals:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 111/120 MP: 21/21 32781 | Shoals:2 | Found Kuameose's Gadget Boutique. 32891 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting 32960 | Shoals:2 | Found Piwiegoifu's Weapon Shop. 33040 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Dodging 33074 | Shoals:2 | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru 33148 | Shoals:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 33156 | Shoals:2 | Got a faintly glowing hat {god gift} 33167 | Shoals:2 | Identified the +2 hat "Gikh" {rPois rN+++ MR- Dex-5} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Shoals) 33938 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 19 in Polearms 34286 | Shoals:2 | Found Jeimopt's General Store. 34323 | Shoals:2 | Bought the ring of Ru's Scorn {+Blink +Fly rElec rC+ MR+ Dex+4} for 698 gold pieces 34471 | Shoals:2 | Found Menop's General Store. 34496 | Shoals:2 | Lost mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [potion of mutation] 34496 | Shoals:2 | Lost mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation] 34496 | Shoals:2 | Gained mutation: You do not regenerate when monsters are visible. [potion of mutation] 34496 | Shoals:2 | Gained mutation: Your movements are slightly less encumbered by armour. (ER -2) [potion of mutation] 34496 | Shoals:2 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2) [potion of mutation] 34630 | Shoals:2 | Found Gofusat's Book Shop. 34726 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Polyphemus 35212 | Shoals:2 | Bought the Volume of Quantum Talismans for 1050 gold pieces 35215 | Shoals:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 35218 | Shoals:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 35222 | Shoals:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Portal Projectile 35485 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 35605 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 36050 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 2 in Translocations 36245 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 36246 | Lair:6 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 36396 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 3 in Translocations 36457 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 37023 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 4 in Translocations 37199 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 37498 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 37534 | Lair:6 | Noticed an acid blob 37583 | Lair:6 | Killed an acid blob 37583 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations 37887 | Lair:6 | Found a runed door. 37932 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 37999 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 37999 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 38169 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 129/129 MP: 22/22 38347 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 2 in Charms 38550 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 3 in Charms 38737 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 38737 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 4 in Charms 38936 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Air Magic 39091 | Shoals:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 39091 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 39622 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Hexes 39649 | Shoals:3 | Killed Polyphemus 39650 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Donald 39683 | Shoals:3 | Killed Donald 40194 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 3 in Hexes 40397 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 16 in Throwing 40557 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Bai Suzhen 40581 | Shoals:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Shoals 40603 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Louise 40890 | Shoals:4 | Killed Louise 40890 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Hexes 41928 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Polearms 42485 | Shoals:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 42942 | Shoals:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 43019 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Ilsuiw 43434 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 13 in Dodging 43556 | Shoals:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 43726 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 92/135 MP: 23/23 43953 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 17 in Throwing 43961 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Translocations 44884 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting 45261 | Shoals:4 | Killed Ilsuiw 45531 | Shoals:4 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot 46061 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting 46373 | Shoals:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 46378 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Spellcasting 46680 | D:4 | Killed Duvessa 46683 | D:4 | Killed Dowan 46941 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 47277 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest 47783 | Spider:1 | Noticed Agnes 47831 | Spider:1 | Killed Agnes 47921 | Spider:1 | Noticed Aizul 48144 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting 48433 | Spider:1 | Killed Aizul 48806 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 18 in Throwing 49681 | Spider:2 | HP: 33/139 [entropy weaver (10)] 49781 | Spider:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 98/146 MP: 12/24 50186 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 50298 | Spider:2 | HP: 52/219 [spark wasp/living lightning (10)] 50301 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 2 in Evocations 50569 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 3 in Evocations 51278 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 51420 | Spider:3 | Noticed Arachne 51628 | Spider:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 51886 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest 52341 | Spider:4 | Noticed Nikola 52505 | Spider:4 | Noticed Jorgrun 52535 | Spider:4 | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton 52692 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 52832 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 3 in Spellcasting 52832 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 2 in Necromancy 52934 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 53976 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting 54501 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot 54987 | D:12 | Reached skill level 14 in Dodging 56241 | D:13 | Found Esytatol's Assorted Antiques. 56250 | D:13 | Bought a pair of distressingly furry gloves for 266 gold pieces 56260 | D:13 | Identified the cursed -4 pair of gloves "Loff" {+Fly rC+ Int+3} (You bought it in a shop on level 13 of the Dungeon) 56373 | D:13 | Found Ycin's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 56642 | D:13 | Found Awegiss's General Store. 56709 | D:13 | Killed Rupert 56911 | D:13 | Received a gift from Okawaru 57162 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 57481 | D:14 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 154/154 MP: 25/25 57485 | D:14 | Reached skill level 19 in Throwing 57935 | D:14 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 58718 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 58818 | D:15 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 58827 | D:15 | Found Pochit's Jewellery Shoppe. 59186 | D:15 | Noticed Sonja 59512 | D:15 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 59889 | D:15 | Killed Sonja 59938 | D:15 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 60142 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 60615 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 60615 | Vaults:1 | Found Moloar's Armour Boutique. 60704 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 7 in Hexes 61164 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 | ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------+----- Polearms | 5 6 7 8 9 11 12 15 16 17 18 19 20 | 20.0 Throwing | 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 18 19 | 19.3 Fighting | 3 5 6 8 10 11 12 14 15 | 15.0 Invocations | 2 4 7 8 | 8.0 Dodging | 5 6 9 11 12 13 14 15 | 15.5 Translocations | 5 6 | 6.8 Hexes | 1 4 7 | 7.2 Charms | 1 5 | 5.3 Air Magic | 1 2 | 2.7 Spellcasting | 2 4 | 4.5 Evocations | 3 | 3.0 Necromancy | 2 | 2.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Trident | 129 | 228 | 141 | 319 | 1311 | 599 | || 2727 Halberd | | | 173 | 304 | | | || 477 Glaive | | | | | 2 | 986 | 272 || 1260 Tailslap | | | | | 41 | 51 | || 92 Punch | | | | | 1 | 1 | || 2 Fire: Blowgun | | | 5 | 33 | 14 | 11 | || 63 Throw: Stone | 24 | 112 | 190 | 488 | 910 | 545 | 147 || 2416 Throwing net | | 1 | 1 | | | | || 2 Tomahawk | | | 2 | 74 | 168 | 344 | 54 || 642 Javelin | | | | | 4 | 233 | 27 || 264 Cast: Blink | | | | | | 21 | || 21 Portal Projectile | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Animate Skeleton | | | | | | 9 | 14 || 23 Swiftness | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Confuse | | | | | | | 8 || 8 Invok: Heroism | | | | 8 | 8 | 7 | || 23 Finesse | | | | | 1 | 2 | || 3 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 2 | 6 | | 2 | || 11 Use: Scroll | | 6 | 11 | 5 | 11 | 11 | || 44 Potion | | 2 | | 1 | 5 | 4 | || 12 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 2 | | 1 | 3 | 4 | 2 || 14 Paralysed | | 3 | 1 | | | | || 4 Distracted | | | | 1 | 2 | 5 | 1 || 9 Confused | | | | 1 | | | 1 || 2 Eat: Bread ration | 1 | | | 2 | | | || 3 Chunk | | 10 | 4 | 19 | 40 | 37 | 4 || 114 Meat ration | | | 2 | 2 | | 2 | 2 || 8 Fruit | | | | 2 | 10 | 11 | || 23 Royal jelly | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Armor: Leather armour | 19 | 18 | | | | | || 37 Ring mail | | 18 | 36 | 45 | 60 | 276 | 22 || 457 Robe | | | 10 | 3 | | | || 13 Fire dragon scale | | | | 69 | 87 | 3 | || 159 Skin | | | | | 21 | 10 | || 31 Dodge: Dodged | 67 | 94 | 162 | 193 | 469 | 1230 | 136 || 2351

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 05:54 by VeryAngryFelid

1) I don't know what a good player would do, I would just activate heroism and finesse (in this order because you are at 6* of piety so you will still have enough piety for finesse after heroism).
2) It is typical situation, nothing can be improved because there is a corridor anyway
3) I don't see which spells might help here for character with Int 12. Freezing cloud and Invisibility would be a bad XP investment IMHO and I assume you have not found Spectral Weapon/Animate Dead

Stop training Throwing, you already have javelins at min delay.

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 08:55 by Odds

Roy wrote:And is there any way to upgrade my character so I don't have to spend consumables in these situations?

Don't think this way! Consumables are to be consumed, when you meet dangerous things or make stupid mistakes. Rupert is a dangerous thing, and using consumables to overcome him is expected and wise for nearly every character.

In your elf situation: hard to see you losing this fight with Heroism and Finesse. Those elves will never sort themselves out to get more than 2 attacking per turn, and you'll chew through them pretty fast. If you take another big hit, your escape options are solid (blinking then haste looks best).

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 14:19 by Roy

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Stop training Throwing, you already have javelins at min delay.

But throwing base damage scales with skill, so don't I want to get to 27 (or 22 + heroism)?

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 16:34 by Roy

And yes, Heroism + Finesse did the trick. I was scared off by that huge hit at first but must have been bad luck. Thanks!

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 16:36 by Odds

Yeah, when you get hit for 25% of your HP, it could be:
- Normal or even low for that monster; this is a crisis.
- Very high for that monster; worth worrying, but no need to press panic buttons
Knowing which is pretty much just experience (or the kind of detailed analysis noone does).

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 17:11 by VeryAngryFelid

Roy wrote:
VeryAngryFelid wrote:Stop training Throwing, you already have javelins at min delay.

But throwing base damage scales with skill, so don't I want to get to 27 (or 22 + heroism)?

I would not train throwing from 18 to 19 to increase my base damage from 28 to 29, it's a rather small increase, about 3 percents

Saturday, 8th July 2017, 18:50 by Airwolf

Yeah, Fighting, Dodging, and Armour are more valuable than Throwing right now. You have 0 Armour now and although you're in ring mail, 6 or so Armour is very cheap right now and should give 2 or 3 more AC. I'd train enough to get 3 AC and switch to Fighting and Dodging.

Wednesday, 19th July 2017, 04:48 by Roy

Ended up winning with that game. Yay!

I'm trying a DDFi, never played DD before. I have no idea when I should use the healing ability so I've been walking around at low health, which seems dangerous to me. At any rate, I just ran into Grinder. It seems like guaranteed death for me, but I think good players would have avoided this situation somehow. So what should I have done differently? Tried the ID mini-game earlier? Healed earlier?

Any tactical advice for this situation would also be welcome, but the strategic part is what interests me more.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20.1-1-g8b1a95d (webtiles) character file. Roy the Chopper (Deep Dwarf Fighter) Turns: 1865, Time: 00:17:27 Health: 16/42 AC: 11 Str: 19 XL: 4 Next: 2% Magic: 4/4 EV: 7 Int: 9 God: Gold: 99 SH: 0 Dex: 13 Spells: 3/3 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +0 war axe rCold . . . Gourm . (no shield) rNeg . . . Faith . o - +0 chain mail rPois . Spirit . (no helmet) rElec . Reflect . (no cloak) rCorr . Harm . q - +0 pair of gloves MR ..... b - +0 pair of boots Stlth .......... (no amulet) Regen 0.0/turn (no ring) MPRegen 0.1/turn (no ring) @: non-regenerating A: damage resistance, heal wounds, sense surroundings 1, no regeneration a: Heal Wounds You are on level 3 of the Dungeon. You are not hungry. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 3 of its levels. You have collected 99 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +0 war axe (weapon) Missiles h - 48 stones (quivered) Armour b - a +0 pair of boots (worn) c - a +0 shield o - a +0 chain mail (worn) q - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) Wands m - a wand of confusion (?/48) Scrolls e - a scroll labeled KABELECSIO g - a scroll labeled NUAMAMP FAJI i - 3 scrolls labeled YHEFRURIUPT k - 2 scrolls labeled JIUCUUCKAU Potions d - a potion of might j - a potion of curing l - a murky emerald potion n - a pink potion s - a viscous blue potion Comestibles f - 2 bread rations p - 5 chunks of flesh r - a meat ration Skills: + Level 3.1 Fighting * Level 4.2 Axes - Level 3.2 Armour - Level 3.4 Shields You have 3 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (3/15) Altars: Annotations: D:3 Grinder Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are resistant to damage. You can heal yourself by infusing magical energy. You passively map a small area around you. You do not regenerate. Message History Found a viscous blue potion. Found a trident. s - a viscous blue potion Found a sapphire ring. Found 12 gold pieces. Grinder comes into view. You found a shaft! Grinder shouts! Found a scroll labeled TOUNOM GATAH. You see here a trident. Grinder is nearby! Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel Here: Grinder The floor. Okay, then. Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel Here: Grinder The floor. Save game and exit? Okay, then. ######## * #......# ###. , #......# ...5. , #......# #..... , * ###......######...... ####.................... #...............@.^....# .....#......##....=....# ....##......####...$.... )...##...#### ####..... ##.....#.# ?..#. #.....##.# ### .## ......##.#####.... , # ..^............... *, , ....###........... , You can see Grinder. Vanquished Creatures An adder (D:2) 2 oozes A dart slug (D:1) An orc (D:3) 3 bats (D:1) 5 giant cockroaches 7 goblins 9 hobgoblins 2 jackals (D:2) 2 kobolds 5 frilled lizards 6 rats 44 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Roy the Deep Dwarf Fighter began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 20/20 MP: 1/1 168 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 25/27 MP: 2/2 352 | D:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Axes 813 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/33 MP: 3/3 1027 | D:2 | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting 1343 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Axes 1811 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 16/42 MP: 4/4 1864 | D:3 | Noticed Grinder Skill XL: | 1 2 3 | ---------------+----------+----- Axes | 3 4 | 4.2 Fighting | 3 | 3.1 Armour | | 3.2 Shields | | 3.4 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 || total -------------------------+-------+-------++------- Melee: War axe | 131 | || 131 Throw: Stone | 84 | || 84 Eat: Chunk | 3 | || 3 Armor: Scale mail | 38 | || 38 Chain mail | 13 | || 13 Dodge: Dodged | 36 | || 36 Block: Shield | 37 | || 37

Wednesday, 19th July 2017, 06:15 by Majang

Heal up once and then run for your life to the SW and to the next upstairs. He is a normal speed monster, so he can only overtake you if he manages to paralyse you. Once safe, try to identify a few helpful potions, in case you encounter him again. If the upstairs are too far away, then consider using downstairs, and come back much later. Let's hope that the altar of Makhleb that you are probably looking for is not on D3.
With your (almost) unlimited healing, and your damage shaving, I think you should be able to defeat Grinder, even if he does paralyse you a couple of times.

Wednesday, 19th July 2017, 06:29 by VeryAngryFelid

Yes, never walk with too low HP, never walk with stacks of 2+ unknown scrolls when teleportation and blink are still unknown.
I don't think damage shaving will do much vs Grinder, on average it reduces damage by 1.75 at XL 4, that's almost nothing.
Don't train Fighting this early next time, DD is the least interested species in that skill.
Also I am not sure why you removed shield, it is great during early game when you typically fight one on one.

Thursday, 20th July 2017, 02:27 by Roy

Thanks. Healing and running worked fine. Grinder just chased me stupidly.

I'll re-equip the shield and focus exclusively on Axes. I was thinking that adding to my weapon delay was a bad idea, but I guess not.

Thursday, 20th July 2017, 06:40 by VeryAngryFelid

Roy wrote:I was thinking that adding to my weapon delay was a bad idea, but I guess not.

Unfortunately, it is not that simple. Shield does slow your attacks but it is not a big deal because your attacks are slow anyway (you are typically far from min delay early game, spending 1.2 turn per attack instead of 1.0 is not that bad) and SH is really great when you have low AC/EV (it happens with Tr often). But it can change later, for extreme example, if you have quickblade of electro at min delay and might attack with 0.3 delay, the shield penalty can make you attack with 0.4-0.6 delay, of course this is really bad because you lose half of attacks while your defense is not increased that much. Now add +10 plate armour on top of that and it becomes even worse, SH does almost nothing now (most attacks would be stopped anyway, especially as DD).
If you are seriously interested in all those, consider using fsim, it is very useful for making these decisions.

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