CIP GreyDrWn (FE)

Wednesday, 17th May 2017, 22:45 by MainiacJoe

This character began as "viable character" on the selection screens. Excellent items to start with, so I've been acting like an FE from turn 1.

Some noob questions below, but it's been so long since I've won a game that I'm being careful instead of just playing for giggles.

I'm in the Temple with all Temple gods' altars present. I've won a Draconian, but not yet a Wanderer, so I can take any god and still (if I win) add to my life list. Kiku and Yred are strong but I think I should pass because derived undead are stupid around Conjure Flame. Fedhas is strong but unfun and I don't want to play it. I've won Makh and have some experience, but no with, with Hepl. Ru and Zin are strong but I've never tried them. Sif I don't grok well, and Veh I've won but it doesn't feel that strong.

Skilling: I'm aiming for Sticky at 10%, then more defenses, then Fireball with early Lair XP. Is blowgun and Ignite Poison worth doing? It seems a roundabout way that would cost more XP to get effective than just pushing Fireball. If I find OTR, though, I'm all in on it.

Melee: Should I train up the staff, or the halberd for poking over conjured flame?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (tiles) character file. Gaduint the Conjurer (Grey Draconian Wanderer) Turns: 7553, Time: 00:39:42 Health: 70/70 AC: 14 Str: 15 XL: 8 Next: 61% Magic: 12/12 EV: 16 Int: 17 God: Gold: 266 SH: 0 Dex: 8 Spells: 3 memorised, 4 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . b - +1 hunting sling (freeze) rCold . . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . (no shield) rPois . Spirit . (helmet restricted) rElec . Reflect . i - +2 cloak rCorr . Harm . (no gloves) MR ..... (no boots) Stlth +......... (no amulet) (no ring) m - +3 ring of evasion {=R} @: no status effects A: walk through water, unfitting armour, unbreathing, cold-blooded, AC +11 a: no special abilities You are in the Ecumenical Temple. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 5 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 266 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +3 quarterstaff of chaos b - a +1 hunting sling of freezing (weapon) c - a +0 spear t - a halberd w - a +0 blowgun x - a +0 flail of crushing Missiles h - 114 stones (quivered) k - 55 sling bullets l - 65 bolts q - 21 poisoned needles K - 8 needles of confusion Armour i - a +2 cloak (worn) Jewellery m - a +3 ring of evasion (left hand) {=R} Wands s - a wand of disintegration (13/24) v - a wand of disintegration C - a wand of acid D - a wand of flame Scrolls g - a scroll of immolation j - 2 scrolls of enchant armour p - a scroll of fear r - a scroll labeled UKISURHEMU y - a scroll labeled WEULOO UN HEHE G - a scroll labeled ZAEKKU WEHOSIS H - a scroll labeled YCOSKI IVUMO L - a scroll labeled BOABUUQATI Potions n - 4 potions of curing o - 2 potions of brilliance u - a potion of ambrosia A - a black potion E - a sedimented cyan potion I - 3 potions of might J - a smoky grey potion Books d - the Handbook of the Blaze Spells Type Level a - Flame Tongue Conjuration/Fire 1 b - Ignite Poison Fire/Transmutation/Poison 3 e - a book of Flames Spells Type Level a - Flame Tongue Conjuration/Fire 1 b - Throw Flame Conjuration/Fire 2 c - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 d - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 e - Sticky Flame Conjuration/Fire 4 f - Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 B - a book of Misfortune Spells Type Level a - Confusing Touch Hexes 1 b - Confuse Hexes 3 c - Gell's Gravitas Hexes/Translocation 3 d - Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 e - Metabolic Englaciation Hexes/Ice 5 f - Yara's Violent Unravelling Hexes/Transmutation 5 Comestibles f - 4 bread rations F - 3 chunks of flesh Skills: + Level 5.9 Fighting Level 1.7 Bows - Level 1.0 Throwing + Level 3.6 Dodging + Level 2.9 Spellcasting - Level 6.0 Conjurations - Level 6.0 Fire Magic - Level 1.0 Evocations You have 4 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire ###.. 1% 1 #...... c - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ###..... 6% 3 ###.... d - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire ###..... 17% 4 #####.. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (4/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Annotations: D:1 Fgt 3.2 ow 1.7 Thr 1.0 Spc 1.0 Fir 2.0 Evo 1.0 Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk through water. Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard. (AC +11) You cannot fit into any form of body armour. You can survive without breathing. You are cold-blooded and may be slowed by cold attacks. Message History Found a shimmering altar of Xom. Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. Found an opulent altar of Gozag. Done exploring. Done exploring. Enter note: Unknown command. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Gaduint the Grey Draconian Wanderer. Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Gaduint the Grey Draconian Wanderer. Press ? for a list of commands and other information. As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust. I - 3 potions of might Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Gaduint the Grey Draconian Wanderer. Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Saving game... please wait. #####._. #....... #####._.##.# #........... #####._.##.##._. #............... #####._.##.##.(.##.# #................... #._.##.##._.##.##.<. #......@............ #####._.##.##._.##.# #............... #####._.##.##.(. #........... #####._.##.# #....... #####._. #... #### There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures 2 ogres 6 big kobolds (Sewer) A howler monkey (D:4) 3 gnoll shamans (D:3) 3 orc priests Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 2 hounds (D:4) An orc wizard (D:4) A worker ant (D:4) 33 gnolls (D:3) 17 adders 3 river rats (Sewer) An adder skeleton (D:4) 4 worms 3 dart slugs 3 leopard geckos 10 orcs 7 ball pythons 5 bats 4 giant cockroaches 15 goblins 9 hobgoblins A hobgoblin (shapeshifter) (D:2) 18 jackals 2 quokkas 4 frilled lizards 12 kobolds 3 leopard gecko skeletons (D:4) 13 rats A plant (D:3) 188 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Gaduint the Draconian Wanderer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Gaduint set off with: a book of Flames, the Handbook of the Blaze, 13 poisoned needles, a +0 blowgun, a bread ration 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 2/2 0 | D:1 | Identified the Handbook of the Blaze 0 | D:1 | start with SID 15/13/8 0 | D:1 | Book fo Flames plus Ignite Poison 2 | D:1 | Learned a level 1 spell: Flame Tongue 193 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 460 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/3 955 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 1/4 991 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 1107 | D:2 | Noticed Robin 2010 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 1/5 2086 | D:2 | Found a runed door. 2091 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2106 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2510 | D:2 | Robin changed into Robin the leopard gecko 2681 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2820 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/45 MP: 6/6 3145 | D:3 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 3552 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/51 MP: 5/9 4607 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 4617 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 4623 | D:3 | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour. 4623 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/57 MP: 6/10 4623 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [Grey Draconian growth] 4888 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging 5945 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 5949 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 5981 | Sewer | Reached XP level 8. HP: 67/67 MP: 8/11 6282 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 7338 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7480 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 | ---------------+-------------------------+----- Conjurations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 | 6.0 Fire Magic | 4 5 6 | 6.0 Spellcasting | 2 | 2.9 Dodging | 2 3 | 3.6 Fighting | 4 5 | 5.9 Bows | | 1.7 Throwing | | 1.0 Evocations | | 1.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 3 | | || 3 Spear | 51 | | || 51 Tailslap | 4 | 3 | || 7 Quarterstaff | | 114 | 68 || 182 Fire: Blowgun | 39 | 5 | 1 || 45 Hunting sling | 3 | 70 | 198 || 271 Throw: Stone | 22 | | 6 || 28 Cast: Flame Tongue | 24 | 40 | 47 || 111 Conjure Flame | | 4 | 3 || 7 Sticky Flame | | | 6 || 6 Use: Scroll | 2 | 3 | 3 || 8 Potion | | 1 | || 1 Eat: Chunk | 4 | 10 | 13 || 27 Armor: Skin | 16 | 55 | 54 || 125 Dodge: Dodged | 34 | 118 | 125 || 277

Thursday, 18th May 2017, 19:09 by Airwolf

Don't forget that derived undead and Inner Flame is good and hilarious.

Ru and Hepl are both strong. Zin and Sif are less so, but viable.

I haven't used needles and Ignite Poison, but it seems worse than your other spell options, possibly including Flame Tongue.

Confuse would be good after some defenses.

I think I'd use the halberd without training Polearms and wait for a better weapon until deciding which school to train. It might be smarter to just train Polearms/Staves, though.

Thursday, 18th May 2017, 21:24 by MainiacJoe

Airwolf wrote:Don't forget that derived undead and Inner Flame is good and hilarious.

Yes, I'd forgotten that!

Thursday, 18th May 2017, 22:01 by Siegurt

MainiacJoe wrote:
Airwolf wrote:Don't forget that derived undead and Inner Flame is good and hilarious.
Yes, I'd forgotten that!

Although you do need to be aware that surviving derived undead caught in the blast from inner flame become hostile (as if you had hit them with an attack) easy enough to work around, possibly unfortunate if you forget.

Also it is good to know that the damage from being covered with sticky flame or in a fire cloud happens before a critter moves, so inner flame explosions from those deaths will happen before movement.

Friday, 19th May 2017, 12:47 by 4Hooves2Appendages

Unfortunately, Zin has some food-conduct. So just for the sake of preserving your sanity, I would not recommend early Zin with a magically-inclined character. I say that even though Zin is probably my favourite god.

Ru is pretty fun. (I personally think Zin is stronger, but you know, food.) Just bear in mind that you may end up sacrificing some spell schools, so don't get carried away with learning all the spells you come across. I can't comment on Hep.

Halberd is a good choice. Doing damage from a safe distance without using MP is extremely strong. Many monster will just stand there on the other side and let you poke them.

I was under the impression that needles + ignite was a waste of time, but it was changed in 0.19 and I haven't used it since.

Friday, 19th May 2017, 13:31 by MainiacJoe

I made a lot of progress last night and am ready to enter Lair. I went with Kiku mainly for the familiarity with it and the Inner Flame reminder. I want to do Ru someday, for sure. I found a staff of fire, some awesome randart boots and also a randart battleaxe. Got the early-Dungeon scary uniques trifecta, Grinder, Sigmund and Pikel, fortunately they all showed up late. Also had the gnoll castle with Flame Tongue, so they all got steam baths.

Concerning the battleaxe, I think it is a trap. Getting to mindelay in Axes would be a massive XP cost, and I’ll be much better off with making a spear of pain I can poke over flame clouds with. I probably ought to be using it at 0 skill instead of Yiuf’s quarterstaff on popcorn, but I’m wary of the slow speed. A recent character was doing great, found a sweet battleaxe training maces, and died very soon after trying to use it. Of course chaos will bite me eventually, too.

Concerning the boots, ought I train Evo just for the +Blink and if so, when?

I have been feeling like my ranged killdudes is weak. Should I go back and pick up again the hunting sling of freezing, or learn Fireball, or learn Animate Dead? The only problem with the sling (or the blowgun) is that in practice I forget to unwield it when I need to and I want to lean on the early staff of fire. The problem with Fireball is the noise. I think Animate Dead is the way to go, with or without Inner Flame.

Even though I’ve had it explained to me several times and have spectated it, I still haven’t figured out how to use Conjure Flame in an open area to force a spiny frog say to walk into it. Giving hydras a line of them to slog through though is fine.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (tiles) character file. Gaduint the Fighter (Grey Draconian Wanderer) Turns: 14675, Time: 01:25:58 Health: 94/94 AC: 18 Str: 15 XL: 11 Next: 14% Magic: 24/24 EV: 18 Int: 18 God: Kikubaaqudgha [***...] Gold: 607 SH: 0 Dex: 8 Spells: 5 memorised, 3 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . a - staff of fire {!a} rCold . . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . (no shield) rPois . Spirit . (helmet restricted) rElec + Reflect . i - +2 cloak rCorr . Harm . (no gloves) MR ..... B - +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings {+Blink rElec MP+9, !T} Stlth ++........ (no amulet) (no ring) m - +3 ring of evasion {=R} @: no status effects A: walk through water, unfitting armour, unbreathing, cold-blooded, AC +12 a: Receive Corpses, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink You are on level 9 of the Dungeon. You worship Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha is most pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 10 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 607 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons b - a +3 quarterstaff of chaos w - a +0 halberd X - the +8 battleaxe "Beastbane" {drain, Int+2 Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes. It affects your intelligence (+2). It makes you more stealthy. Missiles c - 21 arrows h - 7 stones R - 14 tomahawks (quivered) Armour i - a +2 cloak (worn) B - the +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings (worn) {+Blink rElec MP+9, !T} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It insulates you from electricity. It affects your magic capacity (+9). It lets you blink. Magical Staves a - an uncursed staff of fire (weapon) {!a} Jewellery m - a +3 ring of evasion (left hand) {=R} Wands d - a wand of acid s - a wand of disintegration (13/24) v - a wand of disintegration z - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} C - a wand of acid M - a wand of random effects S - a wand of confusion Scrolls g - 2 scrolls of immolation j - 3 scrolls of enchant armour p - 3 scrolls of fear q - a scroll labeled USCHAA NEZEROERI r - a scroll of recharging y - a scroll of enchant weapon F - a scroll of magic mapping G - a scroll of fog H - a scroll of blinking K - a scroll labeled LEODAORPHAE L - a scroll of remove curse Q - 3 scrolls of teleportation Potions n - 8 potions of curing o - 3 potions of brilliance u - a potion of ambrosia x - 3 potions of lignification A - 2 potions of resistance E - a sedimented cyan potion I - 5 potions of might J - a smoky grey potion N - 3 potions of heal wounds W - 2 silvery potions Books e - a book of Flames Spells Type Level a - Flame Tongue Conjuration/Fire 1 b - Throw Flame Conjuration/Fire 2 c - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 d - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 e - Sticky Flame Conjuration/Fire 4 f - Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 k - a book of Debilitation Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Slow Hexes 2 c - Gell's Gravitas Hexes/Translocation 3 d - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 e - Cause Fear Hexes 4 f - Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 t - Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Unholy Secrets (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Pain Necromancy 1 b - Corpse Rot Necromancy 2 c - Sublimation of Blood Necromancy 2 d - Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 e - Control Undead Necromancy 4 D - Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Animate Dead Necromancy 4 b - Excruciating Wounds Charms/Necromancy 5 c - Bolt of Draining Conjuration/Necromancy 5 d - Dispel Undead Necromancy 5 e - Death Channel Necromancy 6 Comestibles f - 10 bread rations l - 20 chunks of flesh P - 6 slices of pizza Skills: + Level 8.1 Fighting Level 1.7 Bows - Level 1.0 Throwing * Level 7.9 Dodging + Level 3.9 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting - Level 7.4 Conjurations - Level 3.4 Charms - Level 5.2 Necromancy - Level 7.5 Fire Magic - Level 1.0 Evocations You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire ##### 1% 1 None b - Corpse Rot Necr N/A 3% 2 ##..... c - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire #####... 2% 3 ###.... d - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire #####... 10% 4 ####... e - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ###....... 10% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (9/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (0/6) D:9 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Annotations: D:1 Fgt 3.2 ow 1.7 Thr 1.0 Spc 1.0 Fir 2.0 Evo 1.0 Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk through water. Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard. (AC +12) You cannot fit into any form of body armour. You can survive without breathing. You are cold-blooded and may be slowed by cold attacks. Message History Things that are here: an uncursed shortbow; 7 arrows Done exploring. Done exploring. Okay, then. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Gaduint the Grey Draconian Wanderer. Kikubaaqudgha says: Spread unending torment and darkness! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Done exploring. Things that are here: 7 arrows; an uncursed shortbow Take off which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Really take off B - the +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings {+Blink rElec MP+9, !T}? Take off which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Quiver which item? (- for none, * to show all) (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Okay, then. 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Vanquished Creatures Pikel (D:8) Grinder (D:5) A hippogriff (D:9) Sigmund (D:5) A shadow (D:7) A vampire (D:7) A basilisk (D:9) 5 yaks (D:9) A human (D:7) A hungry ghost (D:4) 4 hogs Eustachio (D:5) A water moccasin (D:8) 5 orc warriors A slave (D:8) 2 ice beasts 2 sky beasts A porcupine (D:9) 2 black bears (D:9) A necrophage (D:8) 6 ogres 3 phantoms 3 centaurs 8 big kobolds Blork the orc (D:6) 2 crocodiles (D:9) 2 bullfrogs (D:6) A scorpion (D:5) 5 killer bees (D:8) A howler monkey (D:4) 3 crimson imps 3 gnoll shamans (D:3) 4 jellies 8 orc priests Crazy Yiuf (D:2) A bullfrog skeleton (D:6) 3 hounds 8 iguanas (D:9) 10 orc wizards 5 worker ants A hound zombie (D:7) 40 gnolls 21 adders 10 river rats 2 shadow imps An adder zombie (D:6) 2 adder skeletons 4 worms 3 dart slugs 5 leopard geckos 38 orcs 7 ball pythons 5 bats 5 giant cockroaches 15 goblins A hobgoblin (shapeshifter) (D:2) 9 hobgoblins 21 jackals 5 quokkas 4 frilled lizards 21 kobolds 4 leopard gecko skeletons A leopard gecko zombie (D:8) 14 rats A plant (D:3) 352 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A plant (D:9) 1 creature vanquished. Grand Total: 353 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Gaduint the Draconian Wanderer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Gaduint set off with: a book of Flames, the Handbook of the Blaze, 13 poisoned needles, a +0 blowgun, a bread ration 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 2/2 0 | D:1 | Identified the Handbook of the Blaze 0 | D:1 | start with SID 15/13/8 0 | D:1 | Book fo Flames plus Ignite Poison 2 | D:1 | Learned a level 1 spell: Flame Tongue 193 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 460 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/3 955 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 1/4 991 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 1107 | D:2 | Noticed Robin 2010 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 1/5 2086 | D:2 | Found a runed door. 2091 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2106 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2510 | D:2 | Robin changed into Robin the leopard gecko 2681 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2820 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/45 MP: 6/6 3145 | D:3 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 3552 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/51 MP: 5/9 4607 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 4617 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 4623 | D:3 | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour. 4623 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/57 MP: 6/10 4623 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [Grey Draconian growth] 4888 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging 5713 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting 5945 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 5949 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 5981 | Sewer | Reached XP level 8. HP: 67/67 MP: 8/11 6282 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 7338 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7480 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 7560 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 7598 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 7615 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting 7649 | D:5 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 7869 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 7892 | D:5 | Noticed Grinder 7895 | D:5 | Killed Grinder 7895 | D:5 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 54/78 MP: 8/13 8021 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 8037 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 8111 | D:5 | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha 8111 | D:5 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Unholy Secrets (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Dungeon) 8111 | D:5 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 8111 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 8116 | D:5 | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot 8120 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 8516 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 8726 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 9130 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting 9499 | D:6 | Noticed Blork the orc 9503 | D:6 | Killed Blork the orc 10124 | D:7 | Got a dazzling battleaxe 10274 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 10274 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 66/86 MP: 3/14 10374 | D:7 | Identified the +8 battleaxe "Beastbane" {drain, Int+2 Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 10432 | D:7 | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 11378 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth 11710 | D:8 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 11855 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 12032 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 12138 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 12908 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 13079 | D:9 | Got a pair of encrusted boots 13085 | D:9 | Identified the +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings {+Blink rElec MP+9} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) 13632 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13667 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 13667 | D:9 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) 13667 | D:9 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 14137 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 94/94 MP: 15/15 14174 | D:9 | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | ---------------+----------------------------------+----- Conjurations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.4 Fire Magic | 4 5 6 7 | 7.5 Spellcasting | 2 3 | 3.0 Dodging | 2 4 5 7 | 7.9 Fighting | 4 6 7 8 | 8.1 Necromancy | 2 5 | 5.2 Charms | 1 3 | 3.4 Stealth | 3 | 3.9 Bows | | 1.7 Throwing | | 1.0 Evocations | | 1.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 3 | | | || 3 Spear | 51 | | | || 51 Tailslap | 4 | 3 | 12 | 10 || 29 Quarterstaff | | 114 | 211 | 130 || 455 Halberd | | | 3 | 131 || 134 Fire: Blowgun | 39 | 5 | 1 | || 45 Hunting sling | 3 | 70 | 285 | || 358 Throw: Stone | 22 | | 14 | || 36 Tomahawk | | | 3 | 22 || 25 Cast: Flame Tongue | 24 | 40 | 85 | 84 || 233 Conjure Flame | | 4 | 4 | 16 || 24 Sticky Flame | | | 23 | 47 || 70 Corpse Rot | | | | 5 || 5 Use: Scroll | 2 | 3 | 6 | 8 || 19 Potion | | 1 | | || 1 Eat: Chunk | 4 | 10 | 27 | 19 || 60 Bread ration | | | | 1 || 1 Pizza | | | | 1 || 1 Beef jerky | | | | 1 || 1 Armor: Skin | 16 | 55 | 131 | 93 || 295 Dodge: Dodged | 34 | 118 | 331 | 174 || 657

Friday, 19th May 2017, 13:43 by VeryAngryFelid

I think going for ranged attack with Kiku is a trap.
Personally I would pain-brand a hand axe and would become a hybrid, eventually going for the min-delayed battleaxe by around Vaults. As Dr you don't need to train Armour and have nice AC for caster so that battleaxe is more attractive than for other combos.
Definitely learn Animate Dead, it's amazing with Kiku's corpse delivery.

Friday, 19th May 2017, 14:12 by MainiacJoe

VeryAngryFelid wrote:I think going for ranged attack with Kiku is a trap.

Expand on this please. Right now I feel naked because I didn't get derived undead until Kiku's second book and need to train Spc and Nec to get AD online. Flame Tongue has nice range now, but the staff doesn't help it anymore and it doesn't do much damage if the target has any AC at all. I do see animated corpses as a form of ranged attack, so with AD I don't feel like I need to have a ranged conjuration also.

I could very easily see myself transitioning into a conjure flame & sticky flame melee dude with AD, Death Channel, and Bolt of Draining instead of Bolt of Fire (which I haven't found yet anyway).

Friday, 19th May 2017, 14:28 by VeryAngryFelid

MainiacJoe wrote:Expand on this please.

1) Allies. Animate Dead with Kiku's corpse delivery is probably the most powerful tactics in the whole game. But for that you should train Necromancy (corpses become better with more levels in Necromancy) and training Necromancy also makes Agony, Animate Dead, Death Channel and Bolt of Draining castable. Having allies makes ranged weapons annoying and weaker because the allies block path for missiles.
2) Kiku gives a guaranteed pain brand but only for melee weapon. So it is a very good idea to get a melee weapon to min delay as fast as possible. Pain weapon outdamages any ranged weapon by a large margin (literally doubled or tripled damage).
3) So you must train Fighting, Dodging, Weapon, Necromancy and Spellcasting. That's a lot of skills and you are already a hybrid with 2 very powerful attacks so ranged becomes redundant unless you are very high level with undead and demons everywhere (extended).

Friday, 19th May 2017, 15:54 by MainiacJoe

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense.

So i want to focus Spc until I can memorize AD. I"m not sure I need more Necro right now, since I have Kiku too help with miscasts and most everything in Lair leaves a corpse. Axes fro sure, I am persuaded by your urging to get it to mindelay ASAP, but I'm also feeling like I want some more dodging. If I'm going to be spending a lot of time in melee range of things I am nervous to not have a bit more EV.

Friday, 19th May 2017, 19:16 by Airwolf

Nice boots!

Let me emphasize that Receive Corpses + Animate Dead is fantastically strong for a huge chunk of the 3-rune game. Even if the zombies immediately get slaughtered, you can swap places with them to make a retreat. (Simulacrum is a great upgrade late. Death Channel is great, but can't bail you out quickly.)

I think evokable blink gets reliable with like 5 Evo, so cheap.

Has a staff of death dropped? Some Evo would make enhancer staves workable in melee, too.

Beyond that, I don't think it matters so much which weapon school you choose to pain brand. Pick a fast and cheap weapon in that class and kill stuff amazingly fast. Polearms are a bit more convenient and safer, but a grey Dr has good AC, so you don't need to play that safe. You should be less likely to get surrounded with all the allies you're generating (Remember to generate allies!), so the benefit of axes is not as great. A quick blade is amazing, if one drops in your lap, but don't wait for the perfect weapon. A spear, whip, hand axe, falchion, quarterstaff, or short blade are all good (although you'll probably want to branch out of short blades eventually, if you go that route).

Spread unending torment and darkness!

Saturday, 20th May 2017, 11:15 by VeryAngryFelid

Sorry, if I confused you. I wouldn't go for min delay on battleaxe as soon as possible, I was writing about going for min delay on pain-branded weapon. I mean it is often a good idea to use pain-gift on a fast weapon (whip, spear, hand axe) and later use a high-damage non-pain weapon (greatmace, glaive, battleaxe) vs monsters who are immune to pain. So you go for min delay on that fast weapon as soon as possible and then later train more weapon skills without big hurry for those orbs of fire and alike.

Saturday, 20th May 2017, 14:06 by MainiacJoe

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Sorry, if I confused you. I wouldn't go for min delay on battleaxe as soon as possible, I was writing about going for min delay on pain-branded weapon. I mean it is often a good idea to use pain-gift on a fast weapon (whip, spear, hand axe) and later use a high-damage non-pain weapon (greatmace, glaive, battleaxe) vs monsters who are immune to pain. So you go for min delay on that fast weapon as soon as possible and then later train more weapon skills without big hurry for those orbs of fire and alike.

I in turn confused you, I knew you were referring to the fast weapon and that was the mindelay I was referring to, also.

Early Lair turned up a +5 amulet of reflection, and searching for a buckler and one-handers revealed that a whip of electrocution had been hiding under a stone since before I ever entered Lair (or started training axes). So now I have dropped the chaos staff and am using the electrowhip for melee, but I stopped soon after doing this when I realized that I may want to train M&F instead of Axes. AD is online and has helped me.

With this whip I feel like the need to rush to a pain weapon is less, since electrocution doesn't lose to pain until Necro 10 or so. When I had a mundane axe I was carrying to train Axes with, I felt underpowed and that I needed to get pain online ASAP. Now I can spam corpses because I don't have to build to 6* as quickly.

I also think I should treat the Axes skill points (~720) as a sunk cost and train M&F. Yes, I have a nice battleaxe in hand, but with whips of pain and electrocution I'll be in good shape for a long time, time enough to find a greatmace or an eveningstar.

Should I switch to M&F?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (tiles) character file. Gaduint the Fighter (Grey Draconian Wanderer) Turns: 17948, Time: 01:47:55 Health: 89/101 AC: 21 Str: 16 XL: 12 Next: 16% Magic: 30/30 EV: 17 Int: 19 God: Kikubaaqudgha [****..] Gold: 708 SH: 7 Dex: 8 Spells: 8 memorised, 2 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +2 whip (elec) rCold . . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . X - +0 buckler rPois . Spirit . e - +2 hat rElec + Reflect + i - +2 cloak rCorr . Harm . (no gloves) MR ..... B - +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings {+Blink rElec MP+9, !T} Stlth ++........ w - +5 amulet of reflection (no ring) m - +3 ring of evasion {=R} @: no status effects A: walk through water, unfitting armour, unbreathing, cold-blooded, AC +13 a: Receive Corpses, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink You are on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha is greatly pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 13 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 708 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +2 whip of electrocution (weapon) b - a +1 hunting sling of freezing c - a +0 halberd l - a hand axe Missiles h - 7 stones O - 71 sling bullets R - 13 tomahawks (quivered) Armour e - a +2 hat (worn) i - a +2 cloak (worn) B - the +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings (worn) {+Blink rElec MP+9, !T} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It insulates you from electricity. It affects your magic capacity (+9). It lets you blink. X - a +0 buckler (worn) Jewellery m - a +3 ring of evasion (left hand) {=R} w - a +5 amulet of reflection (around neck) Wands d - a wand of acid {zapped: 2} s - a wand of disintegration (13/24) z - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} C - a wand of acid Scrolls g - 2 scrolls of immolation j - 3 scrolls of enchant armour p - 3 scrolls of fear q - a scroll labeled USCHAA NEZEROERI r - 2 scrolls of recharging y - a scroll of enchant weapon F - a scroll of magic mapping G - a scroll of fog H - a scroll of blinking K - a scroll labeled LEODAORPHAE L - 2 scrolls of remove curse Q - 2 scrolls of teleportation Y - a scroll labeled TYM LESSEI Potions n - 8 potions of curing o - 5 potions of brilliance u - a potion of ambrosia x - 4 potions of lignification A - 2 potions of resistance E - a sedimented cyan potion I - 5 potions of might J - a smoky grey potion N - 2 potions of heal wounds U - 2 fizzy grey potions V - a fuming yellow potion W - 2 silvery potions Books t - Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Unholy Secrets (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Pain Necromancy 1 b - Corpse Rot Necromancy 2 c - Sublimation of Blood Necromancy 2 d - Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 e - Control Undead Necromancy 4 D - Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level a - Animate Dead Necromancy 4 b - Excruciating Wounds Charms/Necromancy 5 c - Bolt of Draining Conjuration/Necromancy 5 d - Dispel Undead Necromancy 5 e - Death Channel Necromancy 6 Comestibles f - 8 bread rations k - a beef jerky P - 7 slices of pizza Skills: - Level 8.1 Fighting * Level 6.4 Axes Level 1.7 Bows - Level 1.0 Throwing - Level 7.9 Dodging - Level 3.9 Stealth + Level 6.6 Spellcasting - Level 7.4 Conjurations - Level 3.4 Charms + Level 7.1 Necromancy - Level 7.5 Fire Magic - Level 1.0 Evocations You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire ####. 1% 1 None b - Inner Flame Hex/Fire ###..... 14% 3 ##..... c - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ####.... 2% 3 ##..... d - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire ####.... 10% 4 ####... e - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ####...... 10% 3 ##..... f - Sublimation of Blood Necr ####...... 1% 2 None r - Corpse Rot Necr N/A 1% 2 None s - Animate Dead Necr N/A 12% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (9/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (3/6) D:9 Swamp: Lair:2-4 Shoals: Lair:2-4 Snake: Lair:2-4 Spider: Lair:2-4 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Annotations: D:1 Fgt 3.2 ow 1.7 Thr 1.0 Spc 1.0 Fir 2.0 Evo 1.0 Lair:2 exclusion: downstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk through water. Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard. (AC +13) You cannot fit into any form of body armour. You can survive without breathing. You are cold-blooded and may be slowed by cold attacks. Message History Magic restored. You start resting. The porcupine bites your yak skeleton. Your yak skeleton is struck by the porcupine's spines. Your yak skeleton barely misses the porcupine. The porcupine bites your yak skeleton. Your yak skeleton gores the porcupine! The porcupine bites your yak skeleton! The porcupine bites your yak skeleton. Your yak skeleton gores the porcupine! Your yak zombie barely misses the porcupine. The porcupine bites your yak skeleton. Your yak skeleton gores the porcupine! The porcupine dies! Kikubaaqudgha accepts your kill. You swap places. You swap places. Your yak zombie gores the fungus! Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Gaduint the Grey Draconian Wanderer. Kikubaaqudgha says: Spread unending torment and darkness! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Saving game... please wait. ..... ... ...... ...... ... ........ ...... ...# ...... #..... ....###.P.###...... ..........##..... #.## . .........#...#.# ...#.....#........#...# ...#....##.......#...+ ............@....##..# ..##....##........#..##. ...#.....#..Z....##..(.. #P.#....####Z#P..P...... .........###.P.........( ............Z........... ####.#.###..#..##.P##P.. ##### ######.#### #.. ## .. #. You can see 2 friendly yak zombies and a friendly yak skeleton. Vanquished Creatures 4 hydras Pikel (D:8) A spiny frog (Lair:1) A komodo dragon (Lair:1) Grinder (D:5) 3 hippogriffs Sigmund (D:5) A shadow (D:7) A vampire (D:7) 2 basilisks 24 yaks A human (D:7) A hungry ghost (D:4) 4 hogs Eustachio (D:5) 2 water moccasins 5 orc warriors A slave (D:8) 2 ice beasts 2 sky beasts 4 porcupines 2 black bears (D:9) A necrophage (D:8) 6 ogres 3 phantoms 4 wolves 3 centaurs 8 big kobolds Blork the orc (D:6) 6 crocodiles 3 bullfrogs A scorpion (D:5) 5 killer bees (D:8) A howler monkey (D:4) 3 crimson imps 3 gnoll shamans (D:3) 4 jellies 8 orc priests Crazy Yiuf (D:2) A bullfrog skeleton (D:6) 3 hounds 8 iguanas (D:9) 10 orc wizards 5 worker ants A hound zombie (D:7) 40 gnolls 21 adders 10 river rats 2 shadow imps An adder zombie (D:6) 2 adder skeletons 4 worms 3 dart slugs 6 leopard geckos 39 orcs 7 ball pythons 5 bats 5 giant cockroaches 15 goblins A hobgoblin (shapeshifter) (D:2) 9 hobgoblins 21 jackals 5 quokkas 4 frilled lizards 21 kobolds 4 leopard gecko skeletons A leopard gecko zombie (D:8) 14 rats A plant (D:3) 395 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A spiny frog (Lair:1) A hippogriff (Lair:2) 2 yaks (Lair:2) A basilisk (Lair:2) 3 water moccasins A porcupine (Lair:3) A crocodile (Lair:1) 2 fungi 12 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 3 fungi 14 plants 17 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 424 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Gaduint the Draconian Wanderer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Gaduint set off with: a book of Flames, the Handbook of the Blaze, 13 poisoned needles, a +0 blowgun, a bread ration 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 2/2 0 | D:1 | Identified the Handbook of the Blaze 0 | D:1 | start with SID 15/13/8 0 | D:1 | Book fo Flames plus Ignite Poison 2 | D:1 | Learned a level 1 spell: Flame Tongue 193 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 460 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/3 955 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 1/4 991 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 1107 | D:2 | Noticed Robin 2010 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 1/5 2086 | D:2 | Found a runed door. 2091 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2106 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2510 | D:2 | Robin changed into Robin the leopard gecko 2681 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2820 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/45 MP: 6/6 3145 | D:3 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 3552 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/51 MP: 5/9 4607 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 4617 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 4623 | D:3 | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour. 4623 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/57 MP: 6/10 4623 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [Grey Draconian growth] 4888 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging 5713 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting 5945 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 5949 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 5981 | Sewer | Reached XP level 8. HP: 67/67 MP: 8/11 6282 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 7338 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7480 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 7560 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 7598 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 7615 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting 7649 | D:5 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 7869 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 7892 | D:5 | Noticed Grinder 7895 | D:5 | Killed Grinder 7895 | D:5 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 54/78 MP: 8/13 8021 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 8037 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 8111 | D:5 | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha 8111 | D:5 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Unholy Secrets (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Dungeon) 8111 | D:5 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 8111 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 8116 | D:5 | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot 8120 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 8516 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 8726 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 9130 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting 9499 | D:6 | Noticed Blork the orc 9503 | D:6 | Killed Blork the orc 10124 | D:7 | Got a dazzling battleaxe 10274 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 10274 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 66/86 MP: 3/14 10374 | D:7 | Identified the +8 battleaxe "Beastbane" {drain, Int+2 Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 10432 | D:7 | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 11378 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth 11710 | D:8 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 11855 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 12032 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 12138 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 12908 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 13079 | D:9 | Got a pair of encrusted boots 13085 | D:9 | Identified the +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings {+Blink rElec MP+9} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) 13632 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13667 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 13667 | D:9 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) 13667 | D:9 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 14137 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 94/94 MP: 15/15 14174 | D:9 | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting 14677 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 14975 | Lair:1 | Reached **** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 14995 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead 15361 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Axes 15370 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 15425 | Lair:1 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 15448 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Inner Flame 15492 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 15928 | Lair:1 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 15950 | Lair:1 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 15964 | Lair:1 | Killed a five-headed hydra 16347 | Lair:1 | Killed a five-headed hydra 16347 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 17050 | Lair:2 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 17056 | Lair:2 | Killed a six-headed hydra 17056 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 101/101 MP: 16/21 17333 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Sublimation of Blood 17726 | Lair:3 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 | ---------------+-------------------------------------+----- Conjurations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.4 Fire Magic | 4 5 6 7 | 7.5 Spellcasting | 2 3 6 | 6.6 Dodging | 2 4 5 7 | 7.9 Fighting | 4 6 7 8 | 8.1 Necromancy | 2 5 6 7 | 7.1 Charms | 1 3 | 3.4 Stealth | 3 | 3.9 Axes | 5 6 | 6.4 Bows | | 1.7 Throwing | | 1.0 Evocations | | 1.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 3 | | | || 3 Spear | 51 | | | || 51 Tailslap | 4 | 3 | 12 | 17 || 36 Quarterstaff | | 114 | 211 | 174 || 499 Halberd | | | 3 | 140 || 143 Whip | | | | 43 || 43 War axe | | | | 7 || 7 Fire: Blowgun | 39 | 5 | 1 | || 45 Hunting sling | 3 | 70 | 285 | 18 || 376 Throw: Stone | 22 | | 14 | || 36 Tomahawk | | | 3 | 29 || 32 Cast: Flame Tongue | 24 | 40 | 85 | 112 || 261 Conjure Flame | | 4 | 4 | 33 || 41 Sticky Flame | | | 23 | 72 || 95 Corpse Rot | | | | 6 || 6 Animate Dead | | | | 13 || 13 Inner Flame | | | | 3 || 3 Invok: Receive Corpses | | | | 2 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | 2 | 3 | 6 | 9 || 20 Potion | | 1 | | 1 || 2 Stab: Distracted | | | | 1 || 1 Eat: Chunk | 4 | 10 | 27 | 25 || 66 Bread ration | | | | 3 || 3 Pizza | | | | 1 || 1 Beef jerky | | | | 1 || 1 Meat ration | | | | 1 || 1 Armor: Skin | 16 | 55 | 131 | 144 || 346 Dodge: Dodged | 34 | 118 | 331 | 282 || 765 Block: Buckler | | | | 33 || 33

Saturday, 20th May 2017, 21:29 by Airwolf

I think you should train M&F. Electrowhip is great. Painwhip is great.

That battleaxe is very good but you're a long way from needing it and who knows what will drop by then.

Cross-training helps a tiny bit, too.

Saturday, 27th May 2017, 16:20 by MainiacJoe

This character has now finished Lair, Orc and Dungeon.

I did switch to M&F and got the whip down to mindelay. I was not having any killdudes problems when I hit 6*, so I waited on pain branding hoping that a demon whip might turn up. It didn’t, but an eveningstar did. Now I have a +4 electrowhip, a +0 eveningstar, and Spellbinder in a shop that I cannot afford. No great mace has spawned. I have accumulated 5 ?EW, and again since I had no killdude problems I figured I should wait until I decided what to pain brand. So the options I see are:

A) +9 pain whip
B) +9 electrowhip and keep waiting on pain branding
C) +4 electrowhip and +5 pain whip
D) +4 electrowhip and +5 eveningstar of pain
E) +4 electrowhip and keep waiting on pain branding and using the scrolls

I don’t think I want to do A and lose electrocution against rN+ monsters until I figure out what the eveningstar will be (I don’t have a branding scroll yet). I’m not really sure what to do with the remaining options.

I do think that all these good options, and also the amulet, mean that I'll eventually be upgrading from a buckler to a shield.

A ring {*Tele Slay+6} has spawned. I shunned it even though I am using fast weapons, though it did just now occur to me as I’m writing this that I do have Recall in a book I could learn, so maybe *Tele wouldn’t be so bad.

I welcome your advice!

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (tiles) character file. Gaduint the Basher (Grey Draconian Wanderer) Turns: 36234, Time: 03:42:47 Health: 128/128 AC: 24 Str: 16 XL: 15 Next: 61% Magic: 38/38 EV: 19 Int: 22 God: Kikubaaqudgha [******] Gold: 842 SH: 12 Dex: 9 Spells: 11 memorised, 0 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +4 whip (elec) rCold . . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . X - +3 buckler rPois . Spirit . e - +2 hat rElec + Reflect + i - +2 cloak rCorr . Harm . F - +1 pair of gloves MR +++.. B - +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings {+Blink rElec MP+9, !T} Stlth ++........ w - +5 amulet of reflection q - ring of the Mage {Wiz MR++ Int+3, =R} m - +3 ring of evasion @: no status effects A: walk through water, unfitting armour, claws 1, unbreathing, cold-blooded, AC +14 a: Receive Corpses, Torment, Brand Weapon With Pain, Receive Necronomicon, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink You are on level 15 of the Dungeon. You worship Kikubaaqudgha. Kikubaaqudgha is exalted by your worship. You are very hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer and Ice Cave. You have collected 2369 gold pieces. You have spent 1527 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +4 whip of electrocution (weapon) b - a +1 hunting sling of freezing k - a +0 eveningstar Missiles c - 4 tomahawks of dispersal {=f} l - 2 throwing nets {=f} M - 7 javelins (quivered) O - 57 sling bullets R - 20 tomahawks Armour e - a +2 hat (worn) i - a +2 cloak (worn) B - the +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings (worn) {+Blink rElec MP+9, !T} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It insulates you from electricity. It affects your magic capacity (+9). It lets you blink. F - a +1 pair of gloves (worn) X - a +3 buckler (worn) Magical Staves d - an uncursed staff of fire {!a} Jewellery j - an uncursed ring of see invisible m - a +3 ring of evasion (left hand) q - the ring of the Mage (right hand) {Wiz MR++ Int+3, =R} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) [ring of wizardry] It improves your spell success rate. It affects your intelligence (+3). It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. w - a +5 amulet of reflection (around neck) Z - an uncursed ring of poison resistance Wands s - a wand of disintegration (13/24) y - a wand of digging S - a wand of paralysis Scrolls g - 8 scrolls of immolation p - 6 scrolls of fear r - 7 scrolls of recharging z - a scroll of summoning G - a scroll of fog H - 2 scrolls of blinking K - a scroll of amnesia L - 5 scrolls of remove curse Q - 3 scrolls of teleportation Potions h - a yellow potion n - 14 potions of curing o - 6 potions of brilliance u - a potion of ambrosia x - 6 potions of lignification A - 2 potions of resistance E - 4 potions of cancellation I - 6 potions of might J - a potion of agility N - 4 potions of heal wounds U - 3 potions of flight V - 2 potions of berserk rage W - 2 potions of invisibility Books t - a book of Spatial Translocations Spells Type Level a - Blink Translocation 2 b - Shroud of Golubria Charms/Translocation 2 c - Lesser Beckoning Translocation 3 d - Portal Projectile Translocation 3 e - Teleport Other Translocation 3 f - Passage of Golubria Translocation 4 C - a book of Beasts Spells Type Level a - Summon Butterflies Summoning 1 b - Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 c - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 d - Summon Mana Viper Hexes/Summoning 5 e - Summon Hydra Summoning 7 Miscellaneous v - a phial of floods Y - a sack of spiders Comestibles f - 7 bread rations D - 3 fruits P - 5 slices of pizza T - 21 beef jerkies Skills: + Level 10.7 Fighting Level 6.4(10.2) Axes - Level 12.2(12.7) Maces & Flails Level 1.7 Bows - Level 1.0 Throwing + Level 10.0 Dodging - Level 3.9 Stealth - Level 4.9 Shields - Level 10.6 Spellcasting + Level 7.8 Conjurations - Level 3.4 Charms - Level 11.2 Necromancy - Level 7.5 Fire Magic - Level 1.0 Evocations You cannot memorise any spells. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire ##### 1% 1 None b - Inner Flame Hex/Fire ####.... 1% 3 None c - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire #####... 1% 3 None d - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire #####... 1% 4 #...... e - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #####..... 1% 3 None f - Sublimation of Blood Necr ######.... 1% 2 None g - Bolt of Draining Conj/Necr ######.... 1% 5 ####... h - Death Channel Necr ######.... 4% 6 ######. i - Blink Tloc N/A 4% 2 None r - Corpse Rot Necr N/A 1% 2 None s - Animate Dead Necr N/A 1% 4 #...... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (6/6) D:9 Swamp (0/4) Lair:4 Snake (0/4) Lair:4 Slime (0/5) Lair:5 Orc (2/2) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:2 Vaults (0/5) D:13 Depths (0/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:10 (*[ D:12 ? Orc:2 *([:= Annotations: D:1 Fgt 3.2 ow 1.7 Thr 1.0 Spc 1.0 Fir 2.0 Evo 1.0 Lair:2 exclusion: downstairs Lair:4 exclusion: downstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can walk through water. Your dull iron-grey scales are very hard. (AC +14) You cannot fit into any form of body armour. You can survive without breathing. You are cold-blooded and may be slowed by cold attacks. You have sharp fingernails. Message History Found a long sword and 15 sling bullets. Done exploring. Done exploring. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Gaduint the Grey Draconian Wanderer. Kikubaaqudgha says: Spread unending torment and darkness! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Search for what [? for help]? whip Search for what [Enter for "whip", or ? for help]? star Search for what [Enter for "star", or ? for help]? great Search for what [Enter for "great ", or ? for help]? encahnt we Can't find anything matching that. Search for what [Enter for "encahnt we", or ? for help]? enchant we Unknown command. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Gaduint the Grey Draconian Wanderer. Kikubaaqudgha says: Spread unending torment and darkness! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Search for what [? for help]? recall Saving game... please wait. #.................. #.................. #.................. #.................. #.................. #........(......... #.................. #.................. #.................( #.................. #.................. #.................. #......@ZZ......... ################### You can see a friendly mottled dragon zombie and a friendly vampire mosquito zombie. Vanquished Creatures Frances (D:12) A sphinx (D:13) A frost giant (D:13) An orc warlord (Orc:2) Josephine (Lair:5) A yaktaur captain (D:15) A catoblepas (Lair:6) 8 hydras 3 centaur warriors A dancing weapon (D:13) A death yak (Lair:6) An orc high priest (Orc:2) A deep elf knight (D:13) Sonja (Orc:2) 7 hill giants An unseen horror (D:13) An orc knight (Orc:2) Pikel (D:8) 2 wolf spider zombies (D:15) 5 orc sorcerers 2 deep elf magi (D:15) 4 cyclopes 8 ugly things 3 black mambas 3 manticores 7 elephants 5 spiny frogs 3 gargoyles (D:14) 5 komodo dragons Psyche (D:11) 2 yaktaurs A rime drake (Lair:6) An efreet (D:15) A kobold demonologist (D:14) A meliai (D:13) 7 polar bears 5 trolls Grinder (D:5) 2 blink frogs (Lair:6) 3 two-headed ogres 2 raiju (Lair:6) 11 hippogriffs 2 slime creatures (Lair:5) Sigmund (D:5) 5 shadows 2 vampires 2 basilisks 4 wyverns 2 wraiths 54 yaks A human (D:7) 3 hungry ghosts 4 hogs Eustachio (D:5) 2 fire elementals 5 vampire mosquitoes 2 mottled dragons A swamp worm (Lair:6) 12 wargs 6 hell hounds 6 water moccasins 31 orc warriors A slave (D:8) A black bear (shapeshifter) (D:13) 2 eyes of draining (D:10) 8 ice beasts 2 sky beasts 5 porcupines 13 black bears 2 hornet zombies 2 necrophages 9 ogres 3 phantoms 24 wolves 7 centaurs A centaur (shapeshifter) (D:14) 8 big kobolds Blork the orc (D:6) 10 crocodiles 16 bullfrogs A wyvern skeleton (D:12) 2 scorpions 13 killer bees An electric eel (Lair:3) 2 howler monkeys 8 wights 7 crimson imps 2 quasits 3 gnoll shamans (D:3) 8 jellies A bullfrog zombie (D:12) 22 orc priests Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 2 bullfrog skeletons 15 hounds 12 iguanas 4 centaur skeletons 27 orc wizards 9 worker ants A hound zombie (D:7) A worker ant zombie (D:10) 40 gnolls 22 adders 10 river rats 3 shadow imps An adder zombie (D:6) 2 adder skeletons 4 worms 3 dart slugs 7 leopard geckos 85 orcs 7 ball pythons 5 bats 5 giant cockroaches 15 goblins A hobgoblin (shapeshifter) (D:2) 9 hobgoblins 24 jackals 6 quokkas 4 frilled lizards 21 kobolds 4 leopard gecko skeletons A leopard gecko zombie (D:8) 14 rats A plant (D:3) 815 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A deep elf annihilator (D:13) Azrael (Orc:1) An ettin (D:13) Snorg (Lair:6) Erolcha (D:11) A ghost crab (shapeshifter) (D:13) A centaur warrior (D:14) A catoblepas (Lair:5) A dancing weapon (D:13) 3 death yaks A hill giant (D:15) A phantasmal warrior (D:13) A lindwurm (Lair:6) An ugly thing (D:13) A manticore (D:11) 8 elephants 2 black mambas (Lair:6) A torpor snail (Lair:6) 5 spiny frogs 2 gargoyles 2 komodo dragons An efreet (D:14) A rime drake (Lair:5) A troll (D:11) 2 tyrant leeches (Lair:6) 2 dream sheep (Lair:6) A polar bear (Lair:6) A hippogriff (Lair:2) 13 yaks A fire elemental (Orc:1) A basilisk (Lair:2) 2 wraiths (Lair:5) A vampire mosquito (D:15) 3 nagas (Lair:4) 2 wargs (Lair:6) 4 water moccasins A hell hound (Lair:6) A porcupine (Lair:3) An orc warrior (Orc:2) 3 ice beasts 4 black bears (Lair:6) An ogre (Orc:1) 4 wolves 3 crocodiles A bullfrog (D:10) A killer bee (D:11) A quasit (D:13) An orc priest (Orc:2) 4 hounds (Lair:6) 2 orc wizards A shadow imp (D:10) 11 orcs A jackal (D:10) 4 fungi 3 plants (Lair:6) 121 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A deep elf archer (D:13) A vampire mosquito (D:15) 2 orcs (Orc:2) 19 fungi 35 plants 58 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 994 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Gaduint the Draconian Wanderer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Gaduint set off with: a book of Flames, the Handbook of the Blaze, 13 poisoned needles, a +0 blowgun, a bread ration 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 2/2 0 | D:1 | Identified the Handbook of the Blaze 0 | D:1 | start with SID 15/13/8 0 | D:1 | Book fo Flames plus Ignite Poison 2 | D:1 | Learned a level 1 spell: Flame Tongue 193 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 460 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/3 955 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 1/4 991 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 1107 | D:2 | Noticed Robin 2010 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 1/5 2086 | D:2 | Found a runed door. 2091 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2106 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2510 | D:2 | Robin changed into Robin the leopard gecko 2681 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2820 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/45 MP: 6/6 3145 | D:3 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 3552 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/51 MP: 5/9 4607 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 4617 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 4623 | D:3 | Your scales start taking on a dull iron-grey colour. 4623 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 57/57 MP: 6/10 4623 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You can survive without breathing. [Grey Draconian growth] 4888 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging 5945 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 5949 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 5981 | Sewer | Reached XP level 8. HP: 67/67 MP: 8/11 6282 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 7338 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7480 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 7560 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha 7598 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 7649 | D:5 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 7869 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 7892 | D:5 | Noticed Grinder 7895 | D:5 | Killed Grinder 7895 | D:5 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 54/78 MP: 8/13 8021 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 8037 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 8111 | D:5 | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha 8111 | D:5 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Unholy Secrets (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 5 of the Dungeon) 8111 | D:5 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 8111 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 8116 | D:5 | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot 8120 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 8516 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 8726 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 9499 | D:6 | Noticed Blork the orc 9503 | D:6 | Killed Blork the orc 10124 | D:7 | Got a dazzling battleaxe 10274 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 10274 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 66/86 MP: 3/14 10374 | D:7 | Identified the +8 battleaxe "Beastbane" {drain, Int+2 Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 10432 | D:7 | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 11378 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth 11710 | D:8 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 11855 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 12032 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 12138 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 12908 | D:9 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 13079 | D:9 | Got a pair of encrusted boots 13085 | D:9 | Identified the +2 pair of boots of the Game of Kings {+Blink rElec MP+9} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) 13632 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13667 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 13667 | D:9 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Darkness (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) 13667 | D:9 | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha 14137 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 94/94 MP: 15/15 14677 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 14975 | Lair:1 | Reached **** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 14995 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead 15361 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Axes 15370 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 15425 | Lair:1 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 15448 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Inner Flame 15492 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 15928 | Lair:1 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 15950 | Lair:1 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 15964 | Lair:1 | Killed a five-headed hydra 16347 | Lair:1 | Killed a five-headed hydra 16347 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 17050 | Lair:2 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 17056 | Lair:2 | Killed a six-headed hydra 17056 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 101/101 MP: 16/21 17333 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Sublimation of Blood 17726 | Lair:3 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 17988 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 18251 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Maces & Flails 18712 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 3 in Maces & Flails 18919 | Lair:4 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 19578 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Maces & Flails 19739 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 19897 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 19934 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 20753 | Lair:5 | Got a smoking turquoise ring 20756 | Lair:5 | Identified the ring of Zeamofa {*Tele Slay+6} (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) 20849 | Lair:5 | Noticed Josephine 20881 | Lair:5 | Killed Josephine 20881 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails 20884 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 20894 | Lair:5 | Noticed a catoblepas 21257 | Lair:5 | Killed a catoblepas 21282 | Lair:5 | Killed a death yak 21397 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 21656 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 21678 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 107/107 MP: 23/25 21930 | Lair:6 | Noticed Snorg 21992 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails 22632 | Lair:6 | Killed Snorg 23104 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails 23698 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails 23871 | Lair:5 | Learned a level 5 spell: Bolt of Draining 24302 | Lair:6 | Reached ***** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 24347 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy 24718 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 25141 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 105/115 MP: 23/27 25397 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 25483 | D:10 | Found Zibis Kexo's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 25517 | D:10 | Found Nizonlaor's General Store. 25548 | D:10 | Found Naje Bast's Armour Boutique. 26296 | D:11 | Noticed Psyche 26301 | D:11 | Killed Psyche 26524 | D:11 | Identified the Grimoire of Dark Execration 26736 | D:11 | Noticed Erolcha 26868 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 27184 | D:11 | Paralysed by Erolcha for 7 turns 27194 | D:11 | Killed Erolcha 27500 | D:12 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails 27509 | D:12 | Noticed Frances 27530 | D:12 | Killed Frances 27530 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 27894 | D:12 | Found Vibosoan's Magic Scroll Boutique. 27902 | D:12 | Bought a scroll of identify for 32 gold pieces 27902 | D:12 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 48 gold pieces 27902 | D:12 | Bought a scroll of fear for 56 gold pieces 27902 | D:12 | Bought a scroll of fear for 56 gold pieces 28641 | D:12 | Learned a level 6 spell: Death Channel 28991 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 29331 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 29331 | Orc:2 | Noticed Azrael 29889 | Orc:1 | Killed Azrael 29889 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 30256 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 30290 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 30332 | Orc:2 | Noticed Sonja 30355 | Orc:2 | Killed Sonja 30524 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 30526 | Orc:2 | Found Ugor's Jewellery Emporium. 30688 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 30833 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 30859 | Orc:2 | Killed an orc warlord 30859 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails 31214 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 31274 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 31309 | Orc:2 | Found Otujuipu's General Store. 31317 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 30 gold pieces 31412 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 31430 | Orc:2 | Found Keusal's Book Emporium. 31563 | Orc:2 | Reached ****** piety under Kikubaaqudgha 31591 | Orc:2 | Found Gisongo's Antique Armour Boutique. 31592 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 31606 | Orc:2 | Found Tucurejueti's Antique Weapon Shop. 31761 | Orc:2 | Bought the ring of the Mage {Wiz MR++ Int+3} for 827 gold pieces 31801 | Orc:2 | Bought a runed buckler for 325 gold pieces 31829 | Orc:2 | Bought an encrusted dire flail for 153 gold pieces 31834 | Orc:2 | Identified the cursed +0 dire flail of the Valley {venom, MR+ Str-3 SInv} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) 32328 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 32835 | D:13 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 107/124 MP: 29/29 32892 | D:13 | Noticed a frost giant 32905 | D:13 | Killed a frost giant 33133 | D:13 | Noticed a sphinx 33152 | D:13 | Killed a sphinx 33166 | D:13 | Got a pitted pewter ring 33170 | D:13 | Identified the ring "Haeriotu" {rF+ Int+3} (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon) 33786 | D:14 | Found a frozen archway. 33859 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 34018 | D:14 | Gained mutation: You have sharp fingernails. [potion of beneficial mutation] 34141 | D:14 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 34674 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 35316 | D:15 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 35555 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 35816 | D:15 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 | ---------------+----------------------------------------------+----- Conjurations | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | 7.8 Fire Magic | 4 5 6 7 | 7.5 Spellcasting | 2 3 6 8 9 10 | 10.6 Dodging | 2 4 5 7 8 10 | 10.0 Fighting | 4 6 7 8 9 10 | 10.7 Necromancy | 2 5 6 8 10 11 | 11.2 Charms | 1 3 | 3.4 Stealth | 3 | 3.9 Axes | 5 6 | 6.4 Maces & Flails | 6 10 12 | 12.2 Shields | 3 4 | 4.9 Bows | | 1.7 Throwing | | 1.0 Evocations | | 1.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 3 | | | | || 3 Spear | 51 | | | | || 51 Tailslap | 4 | 3 | 12 | 45 | 184 || 248 Quarterstaff | | 114 | 211 | 174 | || 499 Halberd | | | 3 | 140 | || 143 Whip | | | | 226 | 1570 || 1796 War axe | | | | 7 | || 7 Fire: Blowgun | 39 | 5 | 1 | | || 45 Hunting sling | 3 | 70 | 285 | 26 | 68 || 452 Throw: Stone | 22 | | 14 | | || 36 Tomahawk | | | 3 | 31 | 4 || 38 Javelin | | | | 5 | 88 || 93 Cast: Flame Tongue | 24 | 40 | 85 | 150 | 22 || 321 Conjure Flame | | 4 | 4 | 33 | 24 || 65 Sticky Flame | | | 23 | 100 | 47 || 170 Corpse Rot | | | | 8 | 2 || 10 Animate Dead | | | | 33 | 99 || 132 Inner Flame | | | | 3 | 10 || 13 Bolt of Draining | | | | | 74 || 74 Regeneration | | | | | 11 || 11 Death Channel | | | | | 9 || 9 Sublimation of Bl | | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Receive Corpses | | | | 12 | 21 || 33 Abil: Evoke Blink | | | | 1 | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | | 4 | 1 || 5 Sack of spiders | | | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | 2 | 3 | 6 | 18 | 16 || 45 Potion | | 1 | | 1 | 1 || 3 Stab: Distracted | | | | 5 | 11 || 16 Sleeping | | | | 3 | 11 || 14 Petrified | | | | | 7 || 7 Eat: Chunk | 4 | 10 | 27 | 32 | 34 || 107 Bread ration | | | | 5 | 7 || 12 Pizza | | | | 1 | 3 || 4 Beef jerky | | | | 2 | || 2 Meat ration | | | | 2 | 1 || 3 Fruit | | | | | 7 || 7 Royal jelly | | | | | 1 || 1 Armor: Skin | 16 | 55 | 131 | 238 | 406 || 846 Dodge: Dodged | 34 | 118 | 331 | 472 | 807 || 1762 Block: Buckler | | | | 128 | 594 || 722 Reflection | | | | | 26 || 26

Saturday, 27th May 2017, 17:29 by VeryAngryFelid

I am not sure what is optimal here but I would pain-brand that eveningstar for convenience, then you can use it vs everything and it will save much time and many key presses.
Though if talking about optimal strategy, probably paining a whip and enchanting that eveningstar is optimal. I mean you don't need high enchantment on pain/electro whips because most damage comes from brand which is unaffected by enchantment. And the enchanted eveningstar will be very useful vs monsters with both rElec and rN+.

Saturday, 27th May 2017, 18:35 by Airwolf

I'm not sure what's best, either, and they all seem very good. Probably pain + enchant the eveningstar is strictly best.

Pain branding also gives +2 enchantment, right?

Saturday, 27th May 2017, 19:52 by MainiacJoe

wizmode tells me that a +9 eveningstar of pain at M&F 18 does better against all benchmark pain-sensitive targets (troll, Polyphemous, org guardian) than a +9 whip of pain. The +9 eveningstar of pain also does better than a +9 electrowhip against wraiths and equal vs. pearl dragon. So pain brand the eveningstar it is.

Sunday, 28th May 2017, 07:37 by 4Hooves2Appendages

If you don't have trouble killing things, then you could choose the Necronomicon. If you need pain branding, you may have access to excruciating wounds. It's a bit noisy and costs MP, but that's not likely a problem for this character.

On the other hand, if you have no intention of learning high-level spells, then just brand the eveningstar.

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