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Spider Stomper

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Joined: Tuesday, 21st February 2012, 21:32

Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 17:00

CIP VSAM - need advice

I have a VSAK who is having commitment issues. I can't decide what to do about weapons, or if I want to be a caster, or what armor to wear, or which rune to do next.

a) Weapons
I think conventional wisdom says the rapier of speed should be best with a VS who is triggering bite basically 100% of the time. But I have noticed in extended fights when I'm tabbing through a conga line of vault-creatures (or worse, surrounded by them), my vampiric short sword slowly "fills in" my HP bar while my incessant VS bite bounces my blue bar towards full. Whereas with the rapier, by blue bar is constantly pinging full, my HP bar slowly and irrecoverably goes down. I'm killing faster with the rapier I'm sure, but I don't have the infinite sustainability. There's something to be said for ending every fight at max HP and not having to rest. I wish there was a better way to measure this. I don't know how to FSIM.

I sort of assumed I would have to switch to long blades at some point. I figure I want the triple sword of holy wrath ready to go if I do decide to dip into extended. There have been no demon blades this game, and no quickblades (also, no demon tridents or bardiches, which makes my manual Polearms useless). I was planning on making a distortion quickblade when I started the AK background, but such is RNG. Besides, I'm not sure I want stone giants and tormentors and pan lords to get launched out to range anyway, so maybe I don't even need to use my brand scroll or lug's ability anyway. (And distortion weap would make rods useless too!). Anyway, Long Blades or no? Would you interim long sword of vampirism somewhere on on your way to triple sword, or should I stick with short blades until I go straight to the triple or some future demon blade? Or should I stick with short blades forever? (This guy says no: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=22622)

b) Caster / Armour
I wasn't sure whether I wanted to cast. I've been putting most skillups into Dex, with a few early into Str to get a D:2 plate wearable. Finding a rC+++ ring incentivised me to switch to fire dragon scales, but I haven't pulled the trigger on dumping my enchant armours into it yet. Having not chosen Int the entire game, it makes me wonder whether trying to cast is even worth it now. I don't know what signature spells a VS would use, since they have no particular apts for anything, but it does seem like I'm wasting the free mana my bites give to solely be used for imitation HP. What spell do you most want with this character? How do you take advantage of bursts of mana at melee range? Vampiric Draining? Ring of Flames? Irradiate? Tornado? The spell I know I want, Regeneration, has not spawned in the game yet, even after clearing Elf.

c) Rune
Swamp:4 has a Lernaean hydra I'm avoiding, since my AC is not great. I could try to go back and ninja it, or Corrupt, but I figure there's no rush. Another option is to get the silver rune, but I have no idea how I want this character to break V:5. Like I said before, he could probably tab through an infinite conga line of V:5 monsters with vampirism, with some hasting for the hard ones, but getting surrounded would lead to death. I suppose zap teleport, quaff Agi, drop down, and pray, but I don't know if I'll survive not being in a corridor. Being with Lugonu probably means I'm supposed to get Abyssal rune, with a get out of jail free if anything looks scary? I had no problem with grinding Abyss back when rMut existed, but now I try to avoid the place. Still, VSAK is still eligible for !oneandwon for me, so I might skip extended even if I have a good build for it, and just get my three runes, get the orb, and get out.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (webtiles) character file.

ddubois the Slayer (Vine Stalker Abyssal Knight)   Turns: 54047, Time: 06:20:27

Health: 143/143    AC: 27    Str: 28    XL:     23   Next: 17%
Magic:  30/30      EV: 23    Int: 17    God:    Lugonu [******]
Gold:   2281       SH:  9    Dex: 21    Spells: 8 memorised, 14 levels left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    Q - +4 short sword (vamp)
rCold  + + .      Gourm    .    H - +0 fire dragon scales
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    U - +3 buckler {AC+3}
rPois  .          Spirit   +    V - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  .          Reflect  .    L - +0 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .          Harm     .    (no gloves)
MR     +++..                    W - +2 pair of boots
Stlth  +++.......               X - amulet "Liewk" {Regen+ Str+4 Int+4}
                                m - ring "Wimoasak" {*Drain rC+++ Str+5 Stlth+}
                                A - +4 ring of protection

@: repel missiles
A: fangs 3, agile 1, fire resistance 1, regeneration 2, magic shield, antimagic
bite, no device heal 3, rot immunity, MP-powered wands
a: Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter the Abyss, Brand Weapon
With Distortion, Renounce Religion
}: 1/15 runes: serpentine


You are on level 4 of the Vaults.
You worship Lugonu.
Lugonu is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 39 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 2 times.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Sewer.

You have collected 5432 gold pieces.
You have spent 3151 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 w - a +0 vampiric long sword
 B - a +0 triple sword of holy wrath
 C - a +2 rapier of speed
 Q - a +4 vampiric short sword (weapon)
 Z - a vampiric glaive
Missiles
 d - 791 stones
 x - 5 steel javelins (quivered)
Armour
 H - +0 fire dragon scales (worn)
 L - a +0 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 U - a +3 buckler of protection (worn)
 V - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 W - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
Rods
 k - a thin smoking rod
   (You found it on level 4 of the Vaults)
 G - a +2 rod of inaccuracy (12/12)
   (You took it off a deep elf sorcerer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
Jewellery
 h - the ring of Owy Syto {+Fly MR+}
   (You took it off a deep elf master archer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you fly.
 m - the ring "Wimoasak" (right hand) {*Drain rC+++ Str+5 Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [ring of stealth]
   
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 o - the ring "Cahi" {rC+ rN+ MR+ Dex-2 SInv}
   (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 4 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you see invisible.
 A - a +4 ring of protection (left hand)
 X - the amulet "Liewk" (around neck) {Regen+ Str+4 Int+4}
   (You took it off an ironbrand convoker on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   [amulet of regeneration]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
Wands
 b - a wand of iceblast (6/15)
 y - a wand of hasting (2/9)
 D - a wand of teleportation (3/9)
 K - a wand of digging (10/24)
 T - a wand of enslavement (0/24)
Scrolls
 a - 5 scrolls of enchant weapon
 g - 8 scrolls of recharging
 i - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 l - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 n - 2 scrolls of fog
 q - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 u - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 J - a scroll of blinking
 P - 2 scrolls of fear
 S - 2 scrolls of silence
Potions
 e - 2 potions of might
 f - a potion of magic
 j - 4 potions of cancellation
 v - 9 potions of curing
 O - a potion of agility
Miscellaneous
 p - 2 boxes of beasts
 r - a lamp of fire
 E - 2 phantom mirrors
 I - a fan of gales
 M - a phial of floods
 N - 2 sacks of spiders
Comestibles
 c - 14 bread rations
 s - 4 meat rations
 t - a royal jelly
 z - 15 chunks of flesh
 F - 11 fruits
 R - 3 beef jerkies


   Skills:
 + Level 22.8 Fighting
 - Level 14.0(14.1) Short Blades
 * Level 2.7(9.7) Long Blades
 - Level 12.0 Armour
 - Level 15.0 Dodging
 - Level 7.0 Stealth
 - Level 4.0 Shields
 + Level 3.6 Spellcasting
 + Level 4.6 Charms
 - Level 4.0 Necromancy
 + Level 4.5 Air Magic
 - Level 8.0 Invocations
 - Level 7.0 Evocations


You have 14 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #.........   63%         2    ##.....
b - Throw Frost           Conj/Ice       #.....       63%         2    ##.....
c - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  #.......     67%         3    ###....
d - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          10%         1    None
e - Apportation           Tloc           #.........   38%         1    None
f - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ###...       12%         2    ##.....
g - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ###.....     12%         2    ##.....
h - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        #.....       63%         2    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:8
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:2        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:2     Depths (1/5) D:15       

Altars:
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Ru
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
Orc:1 }   Orc:2 :?*[   Elf:3 =   Snake:4 }=}   Vaults:2 %   Vaults:3 *:%
Vaults:4 *

Annotations:
D:11 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant
Swamp:4 Lernaean hydra
Snake:1 corrupted
Elf:3 corrupted
Vaults:3 corrupted
Depths:1 Nikola
Abyss:1 Duvessa


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have razor-sharp teeth.
You heal very quickly.
When hurt, damage is shared between your health and your magic reserves.
Your bite disrupts and absorbs the magic of your enemies.
Potions and wands cannot restore your health.
You are immune to rotting.
You are agile. (Dex +2)
Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+)
You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands.


Message History

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There is a stone staircase leading down here.
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There is a stone staircase leading down here.
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There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Drop what? 52/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You drop an uncursed amulet of rage.
You swap places.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Saving game... please wait.
Welcome back, ddubois the Vine Stalker Abyssal Knight.
Lugonu says: Spread carnage and corruption!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Char dumped successfully.
Saving game... please wait.

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You can see a friendly yaktaur skeleton, 2 friendly deep troll earth mage
skeletons and a friendly ironheart preserver skeleton.

Vanquished Creatures
  Frederick (Vaults:2)
  Boris (Vaults:2)
  Jorgrun (Swamp:4)
  Rupert (D:14)
  Asterion (Elf:1)
  2 deep elf blademasters (Elf:3)
  A deep elf master archer (Elf:3)
  Frances (D:13)
  Kirke (Swamp:3)
  2 thorn hunters
  A storm dragon (Vaults:2)
  Roxanne (Snake:3)
  A tengu reaver (Vaults:2)
  13 nagarajas
  A fire giant (D:15)
  4 frost giants
  5 deep elf sorcerers
  9 vault wardens
  3 deep elf elementalists
  14 ironheart preservers
  4 entropy weavers
  2 deep elf demonologists (Elf:3)
  10 stone giants
  8 deep elf annihilators
  Snorg (D:11)
  Azrael (D:15)
  6 ettins
  A minotaur (Lab)
  6 deep elf death magi
  Josephine (D:15)
  3 deep elf high priests (Elf:1)
  10 yaktaur captains
  11 ogre magi
  4 fire dragons
  4 ice dragons
  21 hydras
  2 ghost crabs
  The ghost of FelipeSwartz the Slicer, a journeyman DrWn of Okawaru (D:11)
  4 rakshasas
  6 naga warriors
  8 centaur warriors
  10 vault guards
  16 anacondas
  Erolcha (D:11)
  A catoblepas (Lair:4)
  Erica (Orc:1)
  2 death knights (Vaults:4)
  A deep troll shaman (Vaults:4)
  23 dancing weapons
  A queen ant (Lair:5)
  2 deep troll earth magi (Vaults:4)
  4 alligators
  4 death yaks (Lair:5)
  A tengu warrior (D:15)
  A shock serpent (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  10 shock serpents
  30 deep elf knights
  Urug (D:14)
  12 naga sharpshooters
  4 orc high priests
  Sonja (Lair:3)
  A sun demon (D:12)
  A fire crab (Lair:6)
  3 shadow wraiths
  A large abomination (Elf:3)
  2 salamander mystics (Snake:4)
  13 skeletal warriors
  4 unseen horrors
  A glowing orange brain (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  2 flayed ghosts
  23 deep elf archers
  7 swamp dragons (Swamp:4)
  2 sea snakes (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  11 hill giants
  7 deep trolls
  3 glowing orange brains
  3 wizards
  2 shambling mangroves
  15 ironbrand convokers
  17 naga ritualists
  A harpy (Vaults:2)
  A necromancer (Vaults:2)
  An obsidian statue (D:12)
  Pikel (D:5)
  10 mana vipers
  21 ugly things
  22 orc knights
  9 cyclopes
  7 orc sorcerers
  7 wolf spiders
  A fire giant zombie (Vaults:2)
  5 salamanders
  3 manticores
  81 deep elf magi
  An ice statue (Lair:4)
  24 elephants
  41 black mambas
  12 guardian serpents
  An eye of devastation (shapeshifter) (Elf:2)
  An eye of devastation (Lair:5)
  14 naga magi
  A fire giant skeleton (Vaults:2)
  A black mamba (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  Maurice (D:9)
  An orange demon (D:12)
  3 molten gargoyles (Lair:6)
  16 vault sentinels
  14 spiny frogs
  2 efreet (D:12)
  49 yaktaurs
  8 freezing wraiths
  3 rime drakes
  12 komodo dragons
  A red devil (D:12)
  A yaktaur skeleton (Vaults:2)
  3 tengu conjurers
  6 tyrant leeches
  11 trolls
  A jumping spider (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  A jumping spider (Vaults:1)
  5 hornets
  10 blink frogs
  10 two-headed ogres
  35 slime creatures
  A fire giant simulacrum (Vaults:2)
  4 hippogriffs
  4 bog bodies
  8 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  3 air elementals
  4 wyverns
  2 shadows
  6 redbacks
  A water elemental (Elf:2)
  47 yaks
  8 hogs
  A spriggan (Swamp:2)
  6 wraiths
  4 fire elementals
  5 hungry ghosts
  6 basilisks
  A steam dragon (Lair:6)
  A golden eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  A human (D:7)
  14 vampire mosquitoes
  5 mottled dragons
  43 nagas
  5 wargs
  A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  6 insubstantial wisps
  6 soldier ants
  18 swamp worms
  7 hell hounds
  20 water moccasins
  16 porcupines
  12 ice beasts
  9 swamp drakes
  38 orc warriors
  A black bear (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A human zombie (Vaults:2)
  2 necrophages
  6 phantoms
  3 sky beasts
  3 slaves
  51 ogres
  An eye of draining (Lair:5)
  21 centaurs
  6 wolves (Lair:5)
  11 crocodiles
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  2 big kobolds
  2 wyvern zombies
  20 bullfrogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:8)
  2 earth elementals (Elf:2)
  Dowan (D:4)
  4 wyvern skeletons
  4 scorpions
  An orc simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  2 human simulacra
  17 killer bees
  13 wights
  2 electric eels (Lair:3)
  11 crimson imps
  4 lava snakes (Lair:6)
  4 centaur zombies
  4 hounds
  2 bullfrog skeletons
  An iron imp (D:12)
  4 starcursed masses (Abyss:2)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:12)
  25 orc priests
  7 jellies
  2 centaur skeletons
  Jessica (D:5)
  2 iguanas
  28 orc wizards
  16 worker ants
  7 hell rats (Lair:2)
  A killer bee zombie (D:6)
  A hound skeleton (D:9)
  3 worker ant zombies
  16 gnolls
  5 adders
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:7)
  A river rat (Sewer)
  2 shadow imps
  3 white imps
  11 oozes (D:11)
  2 dart slugs
  7 leopard geckos
  86 orcs
  A ball python (D:3)
  10 bats
  7 giant cockroaches
  8 hobgoblins
  21 jackals
  3 quokkas
  3 frilled lizards
  9 goblins
  14 kobolds
  10 rats
  3 crawling corpses
  A fungus (Lair:4)
1720 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A tengu reaver (Vaults:4)
  An ironheart preserver (Vaults:2)
  A stone giant (Vaults:4)
  The ghost of antares the Impaler, a journeyman MfBe of Trog (Orc:2)
  A deep elf demonologist (Vaults:4)
  An ogre mage (Vaults:4)
  A deep elf knight (Vaults:4)
  A flayed ghost (Vaults:4)
  3 deep trolls
  A hill giant (D:11)
  2 deep elf magi
  2 ugly things (Vaults:4)
  A vault sentinel (Vaults:3)
  A yaktaur (Vaults:3)
  A freezing wraith (Vaults:3)
  A two-headed ogre (Vaults:4)
  A slime creature (Vaults:2)
  5 ogres
  2 jellies (D:11)
  5 oozes (D:11)
  6 orcs
39 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A deep elf master archer (Elf:3)
  A vault warden (Vaults:3)
  2 deep elf demonologists (Elf:3)
  A deep elf annihilator (Elf:3)
  A hydra (Lair:5)
  2 deep elf high priests (Elf:3)
  2 naga warriors (Snake:1)
  A dancing weapon (Elf:3)
  2 shock serpents (Snake:1)
  2 naga sharpshooters (Snake:1)
  A deep elf knight (Vaults:2)
  A glowing orange brain (Vaults:3)
  A naga ritualist (Snake:1)
  2 spriggan druids (Swamp:3)
  A harpy (Vaults:2)
  2 ironbrand convokers (Vaults:3)
  2 mana vipers (Snake:1)
  3 deep elf magi
  3 naga magi
  9 black mambas (Snake:1)
  2 guardian serpents
  A komodo dragon (Lair:3)
  9 yaktaurs
  A yak (D:7)
  A neqoxec (D:12)
  A chaos spawn (D:12)
  4 nagas (Snake:1)
  An ogre (Vaults:3)
  3 centaurs
  A quasit (D:12)
  An orc wizard (Vaults:3)
  3 white imps (D:12)
  2 ufetubi (D:12)
  3 bushes
  28 fungi
  27 plants
128 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1887 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | Abyss:1  | ddubois the Vine Stalker Abyssal Knight began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | Abyss:1  | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 3/3
    19 | D:1      | Escaped the Abyss
   304 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/16 MP: 4/4
   446 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging
   686 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 5/5
   688 | D:1      | Reached ** piety under Lugonu
  1721 | D:2      | Gained mutation: Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. [Vine Stalker growth]
  1721 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 15/23 MP: 6/6
  1765 | D:3      | Found a faded altar of an unknown god.
  1973 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 15/27 MP: 8/8
  2200 | D:3      | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse
  2567 | D:4      | Noticed Duvessa
  2567 | D:4      | Noticed Dowan
  2827 | D:3      | Reached *** piety under Lugonu
  3107 | D:4      | Banished Duvessa
  3107 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/32 MP: 9/9
  3331 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  3517 | D:4      | Killed Dowan
  3517 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/35 MP: 8/10
  3987 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4366 | D:5      | Got an ichor-stained cloak
  4372 | D:5      | Identified the cursed -7 cloak "Duqeeg" {rN+ Regen+ SInv} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  4524 | D:5      | Noticed Pikel
  4629 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  4820 | D:5      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  4825 | D:5      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  4827 | D:5      | Got a slimy dagger
  4833 | D:5      | Noticed a cacodemon
  4833 | D:5      | Noticed an angel
  5032 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You have razor-sharp teeth. [Vine Stalker growth]
  5032 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 15/39 MP: 11/11
  5238 | D:5      | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
  5301 | D:5      | Noticed Blork the orc
  5481 | D:6      | Found a glowing drain.
  5525 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  5551 | Sewer    | Reached **** piety under Lugonu
  5811 | Sewer    | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  5970 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  6194 | D:6      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  6768 | D:7      | Noticed a yak
  6802 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  6870 | D:7      | Banished a yak
  6870 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 43/43 MP: 13/13
  7766 | D:8      | Identified the cursed +0 dagger of a bazaar {distort, Str+4} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  8664 | D:8      | Reached ***** piety under Lugonu
  8664 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 26/47 MP: 14/16
  8812 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  9133 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  9154 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
  9182 | D:9      | Noticed Maurice
  9343 | D:6      | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting
  9481 | D:5      | Killed Blork the orc
  9520 | D:5      | Killed Pikel
  9588 | D:5      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  9588 | D:5      | Noticed Jessica
  9591 | D:5      | Killed Jessica
  9710 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  9710 | Lair:1   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
  9809 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
  9971 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
  9984 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
  9984 | Lab      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
  9996 | Lab      | Identified the Handbook of the Snowflakes and Necromancy
 10054 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Frost
 10060 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
 10139 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 51/54 MP: 17/17
 10229 | Lair:1   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 10230 | Lair:1   | Banished an eight-headed hydra
 10230 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 10540 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 11433 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 11824 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 11959 | Lair:2   | Gained mutation: You heal very quickly. [Vine Stalker growth]
 11959 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 60/60 MP: 19/19
 12220 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
 12269 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 13189 | Lair:3   | Noticed Sonja
 13197 | Lair:3   | Killed Sonja
 13595 | Lair:3   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 13605 | Lair:3   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 13925 | Lair:4   | Noticed a catoblepas
 13965 | Lair:4   | Killed a catoblepas
 13965 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
 13965 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
 14087 | Lair:4   | Noticed an ice dragon
 14334 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 14501 | Lair:4   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 14507 | Lair:4   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 14507 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 67/67 MP: 20/20
 14988 | Lair:4   | Killed an ice dragon
 15135 | Lair:4   | Gained mutation: Your flesh is heat resistant. (rF+) [potion of mutation]
 15135 | Lair:4   | Gained mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands. [potion of mutation]
 15135 | Lair:4   | Gained mutation: You are agile. (Dex +2) [potion of mutation]
 15220 | Lair:4   | Got a faintly humming robe
 15224 | Lair:4   | Got an ancient scimitar
 15228 | Lair:4   | Identified the cursed +0 scimitar of Cil Edun {drain, -Tele rPois Int+9} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 15239 | Lair:4   | Identified the +2 robe "Ujidud" {Str+8} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 15443 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 15560 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 15690 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
 16729 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 17036 | Lair:6   | Reached ****** piety under Lugonu
 17046 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
 17188 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 75/75 MP: 21/21
 17265 | Lair:6   | Noticed an entropy weaver
 17350 | Lair:6   | Killed an entropy weaver
 17388 | Lair:6   | Noticed an entropy weaver
 17481 | Lair:6   | Killed an entropy weaver
 17926 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 18448 | Lair:6   | Found a large runed door.
 18449 | Lair:6   | Found a large runed door.
 19117 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
 19937 | D:9      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 19967 | D:9      | Killed Maurice
 20431 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 21334 | D:11     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 77/83 MP: 22/22
 21370 | D:11     | Noticed Erolcha
 21390 | D:11     | Killed Erolcha
 21437 | D:11     | Noticed Snorg
 21473 | D:11     | Killed Snorg
 21649 | D:11     | Noticed FelipeSwartz's ghost (journeyman DrWn)
 21663 | D:11     | Killed FelipeSwartz's ghost
 22493 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 22515 | D:12     | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 23176 | D:12     | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
 23547 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 23641 | Orc:1    | Noticed Erica
 23658 | Orc:1    | Killed Erica
 24116 | Orc:1    | Found Eseiluo's Quality Used Wands.
 24126 | Orc:1    | Bought a wand of hasting (0/9) for 312 gold pieces
 24425 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 24500 | Orc:2    | Noticed antares's ghost (journeyman MfBe)
 24567 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 24927 | Orc:2    | Killed antares's ghost
 25341 | Orc:2    | Found Nuewusab's Book Shop.
 25577 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 25832 | D:13     | Noticed Frances
 25968 | D:13     | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting
 26151 | D:13     | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 26538 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 26871 | Orc:2    | Reached XP level 16. HP: 91/91 MP: 23/23
 27024 | Orc:2    | Found Gacil's General Store.
 27028 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces
 27036 | Orc:2    | Found Zauv's Antique Armour Emporium.
 27041 | Orc:2    | Found Mitre's Magic Scroll Shop.
 27045 | Orc:2    | Bought a warped hat for 270 gold pieces
 27045 | Orc:2    | Bought a pair of embroidered boots for 315 gold pieces
 27047 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of recharging for 152 gold pieces
 27048 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 32 gold pieces
 27048 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 32 gold pieces
 27048 | Orc:2    | Identified the cursed +0 hat of Minor Irritation {Str+9 Int-5} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)
 27235 | D:13     | Killed Frances
 27448 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 27974 | D:14     | Noticed Rupert
 28009 | D:14     | Killed Rupert
 28287 | D:14     | Noticed Urug
 28319 | D:14     | Killed Urug
 28511 | D:14     | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting
 28770 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 28835 | D:15     | Noticed Azrael
 28885 | D:15     | Killed Azrael
 28953 | D:15     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 29276 | D:15     | Noticed Josephine
 29291 | D:15     | Killed Josephine
 29357 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 29657 | D:15     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 29926 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
 30451 | Depths:1 | Noticed Nikola
 30855 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 17. HP: 98/98 MP: 24/24
 31023 | Elf:1    | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 31070 | Elf:1    | Noticed Asterion
 31087 | Elf:1    | Killed Asterion
 32649 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 33537 | Swamp:2  | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
 33550 | Swamp:2  | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
 33910 | Swamp:2  | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness
 34250 | Swamp:3  | Noticed Kirke
 34435 | Swamp:3  | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
 35103 | Swamp:3  | Killed Kirke
 35484 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 36006 | Swamp:4  | Noticed Jorgrun
 36029 | Swamp:4  | Killed Jorgrun
 36029 | Swamp:4  | Reached XP level 18. HP: 106/106 MP: 25/25
 36425 | Swamp:4  | Noticed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra
 36625 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 36626 | Snake:1  | Corrupted Snake:1
 39085 | Snake:3  | Noticed Roxanne
 39179 | Snake:3  | Reached skill level 17 in Fighting
 39189 | Snake:3  | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
 39348 | Snake:3  | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 39981 | Snake:3  | Killed Roxanne
 39982 | Snake:3  | Identified Roxanne's Handbook of Transformation (You took it off Roxanne on level 3 of the Snake Pit)
 40009 | Snake:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Snake Pit
 40012 | Snake:4  | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 40076 | Snake:4  | Found Dinap's Gadget Shoppe.
 40076 | Snake:4  | Found Kune Veu's Jewellery Boutique.
 40079 | Snake:4  | Found Hosif's Gadget Shoppe.
 40131 | Snake:4  | Bought the ring "Wimoasak" {*Drain rC+++ Str+5 Stlth+} for 966 gold pieces
 40138 | Snake:4  | Bought a box of beasts for 200 gold pieces
 40138 | Snake:4  | Bought a box of beasts for 200 gold pieces
 40138 | Snake:4  | Bought a sack of spiders for 200 gold pieces
 40606 | Snake:4  | Reached XP level 19. HP: 110/112 MP: 26/26
 41313 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 18 in Fighting
 41894 | Snake:4  | Got a serpentine rune of Zot
 42620 | Elf:2    | Reached skill level 19 in Fighting
 42791 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 42791 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 42791 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 42791 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 42794 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
 42953 | Elf:2    | Reached XP level 20. HP: 121/121 MP: 27/27
 43807 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
 44336 | Elf:3    | Found Pyr Hia's Jewellery Emporium.
 44347 | Elf:3    | Bought a +6 amulet of reflection for 450 gold pieces
 44906 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 20 in Fighting
 44950 | Elf:3    | Corrupted Elf:3
 45084 | Elf:3    | Cast into level 2 of the Abyss (a deep elf sorcerer)
 45125 | Abyss:2  | Paralysed by accursed screaming for 1 turns
 45291 | Elf:3    | Escaped the Abyss
 45581 | Elf:3    | Identified the Reference Book on Companions and Ignition
 45637 | Elf:3    | Identified a +2 rod of inaccuracy (9/12) (You took it off a deep elf sorcerer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 45717 | Elf:3    | Got a bound glass ring
 45917 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 46241 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 127/128 MP: 28/28
 46315 | Vaults:1 | Got a tiger eye-encrusted scale mail
 46316 | Vaults:1 | Identified the +5 scale mail of Proximity {MR+} (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults)
 46320 | Vaults:1 | Identified the ring of Owy Syto {+Fly MR+} (You took it off a deep elf master archer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 47659 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Boris
 47676 | Vaults:2 | Killed Boris
 47676 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 47976 | Vaults:2 | Found Pixodghea's Food Shop.
 48217 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 21 in Fighting
 48518 | Vaults:3 | Corrupted Vaults:3
 48927 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Frederick
 48946 | Vaults:2 | Killed Frederick
 49371 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 134/135 MP: 29/29
 49416 | Vaults:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 49418 | Vaults:2 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 49419 | Vaults:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 49972 | Vaults:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation
 50406 | Vaults:3 | Found Addiule's Book Boutique.
 50426 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 22 in Fighting
 50468 | Vaults:3 | Found Jyshromec's General Store.
 51021 | Vaults:3 | Got a warped robe
 51022 | Vaults:3 | Identified the +1 robe of a wizard's laboratory {Str+2 Int+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)
 51480 | Vaults:3 | Got a translucent amethyst amulet
 51481 | Vaults:3 | Identified the amulet "Liewk" {Regen+ Str+4 Int+4} (You took it off an ironbrand convoker on level 3 of the Vaults)
 51686 | Vaults:3 | Found Ruituf's Food Shop.
 52034 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
 52121 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 52219 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
 52409 | Vaults:4 | Found Guaxzigh's Assorted Antiques.
 53038 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades
 53213 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 142/143 MP: 30/30
 53798 | Vaults:4 | Got a pitted silver ring
 53917 | Vaults:4 | Identified the ring "Cahi" {rC+ rN+ MR+ Dex-2 SInv} (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 4 of the Vaults)

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 |
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Short Blades   |  2     3     4  5  6  7  9 10 11 12                         14       | 14.0
Invocations    |  2           3        5  6  7  8                                     |  8.0
Dodging        |     1                       3  4  6  7  8 10 11 12    13 14 15       | 15.0
Armour         |           2              4  6           8  9 10 11 12                | 12.0
Shields        |                    2  4                                              |  4.0
Fighting       |                             4  5  7  9 11 13 14 16 17 19 20 21 22    | 22.8
Evocations     |                                3  5  7                               |  7.0
Stealth        |                                   3  7                               |  7.0
Necromancy     |                                                     3  4             |  4.0
Air Magic      |                                                                 3  4 |  4.5
Charms         |                                                                 3  4 |  4.6
Spellcasting   |                                                                 2  3 |  3.6
Long Blades    |                                                                 1  2 |  2.7

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
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Melee: Short sword       |   107 |   200 |    65 |  1041 |  2757 |  3273 |  1638 |  1327 || 10408
       Bite              |    24 |    65 |   227 |   444 |  1339 |  1740 |  1474 |   871 ||  6184
       Dagger            |       |       |   691 |   125 |       |       |       |       ||   816
       Rapier            |       |       |       |       |       |       |   869 |       ||   869
Throw: Stone             |    97 |    38 |   189 |   203 |   520 |   311 |   163 |       ||  1521
       Tomahawk          |       |     5 |     5 |       |       |       |       |       ||    10
       Javelin           |       |       |       |       |       |       |    10 |     1 ||    11
 Cast: Animate Skeleton  |       |       |       |       |       |       |    14 |    84 ||    98
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Invok: Banish            |       |     1 |     1 |     3 |     1 |     1 |     1 |     1 ||     9
       Corrupt           |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     2 |       ||     3
       Depart the Abyss  |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |     1 |    11 |    22 |    48 |     6 |    10 |     1 ||    99
       Phial of floods   |       |       |       |       |     3 |       |     2 |       ||     5
       Sack of spiders   |       |       |       |       |     7 |       |     2 |       ||     9
       Phantom mirror    |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     3 |       ||     4
       Fan of gales      |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Box of beasts     |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |     4 |     7 |    10 |    15 |    26 |     6 |     5 ||    73
       Potion            |       |       |       |     3 |    16 |    10 |     6 |     1 ||    36
 Stab: Paralysed         |       |       |       |     6 |       |       |       |       ||     6
       Invisible         |       |       |       |       |     5 |       |       |       ||     5
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |     4 |       |       |       ||     4
       Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     1 |     2 |     6 |     7 ||    16
       Sleeping          |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |    14 |     5 ||    20
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |     6 |    19 |    15 |    43 |    31 |    28 |    19 ||   164
       Pizza             |       |       |     1 |     2 |       |     3 |       |       ||     6
       Bread ration      |       |       |     1 |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     2
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     1 |       |       ||     3
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |     1 |       |     2 |     1 |       ||     4
       Fruit             |       |       |       |       |     5 |     3 |       |       ||     8
       Beef jerky        |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
Armor: Leather armour    |    16 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||    16
       Plate armour      |    37 |   120 |   193 |   302 |   767 |   814 |       |       ||  2233
       Ring mail         |       |       |    54 |       |       |       |       |       ||    54
       Chain mail        |       |       |       |       |    64 |       |       |       ||    64
       Fire dragon scale |       |       |       |       |       |    67 |   362 |   179 ||   608
Dodge: Dodged            |    37 |    34 |   138 |   168 |   663 |   879 |   796 |   536 ||  3251
       Deflected         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    85 |   111 |   436 |   717 |   753 |   437 ||  2539
       Reflection        |       |       |       |       |       |       |    75 |    26 ||   101

Abyss Ambulator

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 17:24

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

The vampiric ling sword should be better than the short sword. At least turn off Long Blades if you're not going to use it.

I'd think the rapier of speed would be best, but if your experience says otherwise, then don't use it.

Commit to the FDS. Enchant them. (Maybe enchant the cloak first.) That will help you survivability. Also, train more Armour and Dodging. Any good regular shields around?

Tartarus Sorceror

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 17:50

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

I'd ID that rod. It plus inaccuracy will be enough for you to use Evocations instead of casting. You have tons of good evocables. Use these and heavy armour and just run with it.

Lerny is no problem. Banish it if you like, but for giggles use the phantom mirror on it. It absolutely wrecks Lerny. Rod of Inaccuracy is good, too.

I'd dump all those enchant scrolls on the rapier of speed. That is an extremely potent weapon for a VS because of your bite auxiliary attack. Another reason to not go caster is that if you avoid improving INT, you're improving the stats that increase your chance of taking a bite each time you swing your weapon: (STR+DEX)/50. Turn of long blades; that rapier will serve you for a very long time, probably through a 3-rune game.
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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 17:51

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

With Lugonu, a distortion weapon does not make your rods useless, because Lugonu protects you from unwield effects of distortion weapons. They never happen, swap away!
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Spider Stomper

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 18:01

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

MainiacJoe wrote:With Lugonu, a distortion weapon does not make your rods useless, because Lugonu protects you from unwield effects of distortion weapons. They never happen, swap away!

Good to know, thanks!

There's also daggers of distortion and daggers of electrocution in the game.

Spider Stomper

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 18:02

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

Airwolf wrote:The vampiric ling sword should be better than the short sword. At least turn off Long Blades if you're not going to use it.

I wouldn't use it unless it was at min delay. I'm not even sure it's worth switching, with the 0.2 aut sacrifice of biting?

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 19:11

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

Chaos is unironically a good brand.

Spider Stomper

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 19:26

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

There's no chaos weapons in the game, and scroll of branding only makes it 3% of the time. I'm not sure why you made that comment? Are you suggesting I brand a rapier and hope for chaos?

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 19:27

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

I accidentally replied to the wrong thread :/

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Post Thursday, 30th March 2017, 21:56

Re: CIP VSAM - need advice

c)
You already have some of the (helpful) minor spells.
I would add:
1. blink
2. lesser beckoning
3. passage of Golubria
4. song of slaying
5. aura of abj.

With FDA *and* int 17 even 5. won't be a problem.
I guess you didn't find the spells 1.-4. so far ?
5. will take care of summons.
Most of my melee chars with 15 runes (you mentioned extended/Pan lords) have these spells no matter the INT. Yours is even high for melee.

Rest)
I wouldn't go for big spells like Tornado, invest in def. skills instead.
Up armour a bit and your sp.failure should decline.

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