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Post Tuesday, 13th December 2016, 01:27

CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

I haven't played Crawl in a while, so thought I'll give the latest trunk a try. This is my current character:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-270-g8e735b6 (console) character file.

bel2 the Severer (Hill Orc Fighter)                Turns: 15491, Time: 01:58:09

Health: 111/111    AC: 34    Str: 20    XL:     13   Next: 2%
Magic:  23/23      EV:  5    Int:  8    God:    Uskayaw [*.....]
Gold:   1071       SH: 14    Dex: 14    Spells: 12/12 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    a - +6 broad axe (venom)
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    f - +15 Maxwell's patent armour {-Cast -Tele rElec MR+ rCorr}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    c - +0 shield
rPois  .          Spirit   .    e - +0 helmet
rElec  +          Reflect  +    k - +1 cloak
rCorr  +          Harm     .    o - +0 pair of gloves
MR     +....      NoTele   +    (no boots)
Stlth  .......... NoCast   +    D - +5 amulet of reflection
                                s - ring of ice
                                J - ring of protection from fire

@: no status effects
A: no striking features
a: Stomp, Renounce Religion


You are on level 12 of the Dungeon.
You worship Uskayaw.
Uskayaw is pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 15 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 1071 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +6 broad axe of venom (weapon)
 l - an arbalest
 R - an uncursed blowgun
 S - a +1 morningstar
Missiles
 d - 7 curare-tipped needles
 u - 4 javelins of returning
 P - 60 bolts
 X - 2 throwing nets (quivered)
 Y - 16 poisoned needles
Armour
 c - a +0 shield (worn)
 e - a +0 helmet (worn)
 f - the +15 Maxwell's patent armour (worn) {-Cast -Tele rElec MR+ rCorr}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It prevents spellcasting.
   It prevents most forms of teleportation.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 k - a +1 cloak (worn)
 o - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Jewellery
 s - a ring of ice (right hand)
 D - a +5 amulet of reflection (around neck)
 J - a ring of protection from fire (left hand)
Wands
 b - a wand of digging (?/24) {zapped: 2}
 p - a wand of random effects (?/48) {zapped: 12}
 C - a wand of lightning (5/15)
 H - a wand of lightning (11/15)
 I - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
 K - a wand of paralysis (10/24)
Scrolls
 i - a scroll labeled IXZONO MUCOS
 j - a scroll labeled VAITITRI PUFU
 m - 2 scrolls of blinking
 n - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 v - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 w - 4 scrolls of fear
 A - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 B - 2 scrolls of identify
 F - 3 scrolls of recharging
 G - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
 L - a scroll labeled RYUPEUJ NOUHU
 T - a scroll of fog
 Z - a scroll labeled TEF JYDURPH
Potions
 g - 4 potions of lignification
 h - 6 potions of curing
 q - a potion of magic
 x - 2 potions of cancellation
 z - a potion of agility
 E - a potion of brilliance
 N - 2 potions of resistance
 O - a potion of haste
 Q - 2 potions of might
 U - a potion of heal wounds
 V - a potion of ambrosia
 W - a potion of flight
Comestibles
 r - 3 meat rations
 t - 2 beef jerkies


   Skills:
 + Level 9.0 Fighting
 + Level 16.7 Axes
 + Level 9.2 Armour
 - Level 1.9 Dodging
 - Level 3.2 Shields
 + Level 13.7 Invocations
 - Level 6.4 Evocations


You have 12 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (0/6) D:9
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:4 }   Orc:1 (

Annotations:
D:5 1 runed door, exclusion: downstairs
D:9 Erica
D:10 Gastronok
Orc:2 Rupert

Message History

Items here: ! ) /// ? [[[ |
Drop what? 51/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You see here a manual of Ice Magic. You drop a manual of Ice Magic.
You see here a manual of Ice Magic. You drop a manual of Ice Magic.
q - a potion of magic
Things that are here:
a +0 broad axe; a scale mail
u - 4 javelins of returning (gained 1)
Done exploring.
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (L) Lair           (O) Orcish Mines   
(E) Elven Halls   
Where to? (Enter - Orc:1 @ (x,y), ? - help)
You see here a hand axe.
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
You climb upwards. Welcome back to the Dungeon!
There is a staircase to the Orcish Mines here.
There is an open door here.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Erolcha (D:12)
  Sonja (D:11)
  Urug (Orc:1)
  A skeletal warrior (D:10)
  4 hill giants
  Pikel (D:8)
  A cyclops (Orc:1)
  A necromancer (IceCv)
  An ugly thing (D:11)
  Maurice (D:12)
  2 centaur skeletons
  An ice statue (IceCv)
  2 gargoyles (D:12)
  10 freezing wraiths (IceCv)
  3 trolls
  3 meliai (D:10)
  A two-headed ogre (D:10)
  A hippogriff (D:12)
  3 shadows
  18 yaks
  A basilisk (D:12)
  A death yak simulacrum (IceCv)
  2 wargs (D:9)
  An acid dragon (D:11)
  A black bear (D:10)
  12 orc warriors
  17 ice beasts
  8 ogres
  2 alligator simulacra (IceCv)
  A sky beast (D:9)
  2 necrophages
  3 phantoms
  2 centaurs
  A big kobold (D:7)
  5 bullfrogs
  A gnoll sergeant (Orc:1)
  A wyvern zombie (D:12)
  5 scorpions
  4 killer bees (D:10)
  A wight (D:5)
  3 howler monkeys
  4 crimson imps
  A centaur zombie (D:6)
  A bullfrog zombie (D:8)
  4 draconian simulacra (IceCv)
  A quasit (D:9)
  3 bullfrog skeletons
  4 jellies
  6 hounds
  12 orc wizards
  12 orc priests
  2 iguanas (D:10)
  6 worker ants
  4 troll simulacra (IceCv)
  4 spriggan simulacra (IceCv)
  A wolf simulacrum (IceCv)
  A centaur simulacrum (IceCv)
  A worker ant zombie (D:7)
  10 gnolls
  4 ogre simulacra (IceCv)
  12 adders
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:5)
  3 naga simulacra (IceCv)
  12 white imps (IceCv)
  2 oozes
  2 adder skeletons
  2 worms
  A dart slug (D:1)
  6 leopard geckos
  51 orcs
  7 giant cockroaches
  5 goblins
  8 hobgoblins
  3 jackals
  5 quokkas
  A ball python (D:4)
  3 bats
  11 frilled lizards
  8 kobolds
  2 leopard gecko skeletons
  A quokka skeleton (D:7)
  2 rats
360 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  2 orc warriors (Orc:2)
  An orc (Orc:2)
3 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A bullfrog (D:8)
  A crimson imp (D:8)
  An orc priest (D:8)
  3 orcs (D:8)
6 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 369 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | bel2 the Hill Orc Fighter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1
    26 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Axes
   166 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/26 MP: 2/2
   641 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
   693 | D:3      | Noticed a scorpion
   838 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 3/3
  1110 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  1461 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/39 MP: 4/4
  1599 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Axes
  1649 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 22/45 MP: 5/5
  2071 | D:3      | Reached skill level 7 in Axes
  2415 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Axes
  2415 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 44/51 MP: 6/6
  2555 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Axes
  2562 | D:4      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  2882 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 40/57 MP: 7/7
  2942 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  2998 | D:4      | Found Adiufoz's Gadget Boutique.
  3091 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3326 | D:4      | Reached skill level 11 in Axes
  3858 | D:5      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  3858 | D:5      | Found a runed door.
  3858 | D:5      | Noticed an angel
  4246 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  4246 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/66 MP: 8/8
  5011 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  5820 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5832 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5920 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Uskayaw the Reveler
  6069 | D:7      | Reached * piety under Uskayaw
  6135 | D:7      | Reached ** piety under Uskayaw
  6145 | D:7      | Reached *** piety under Uskayaw
  6363 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  6502 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 71/75 MP: 11/11
  6755 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging
  7044 | D:8      | Noticed Pikel
  7085 | D:8      | Killed Pikel
  7085 | D:8      | Reached skill level 12 in Axes
  7486 | D:9      | Noticed Erica
  7502 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  7584 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  7769 | D:9      | Reached **** piety under Uskayaw
  7776 | D:9      | Noticed a troll
  7790 | D:9      | Killed a troll
  7790 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  7862 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 79/84 MP: 14/14
  7869 | D:9      | Reached ***** piety under Uskayaw
  8377 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8439 | D:10     | Noticed Gastronok
  8766 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
  8808 | D:11     | Noticed Sonja
  9408 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
  9585 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
  9585 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 73/91 MP: 20/20
  9815 | D:11     | Killed Sonja
 10216 | D:11     | Noticed a skeletal warrior
 10228 | D:11     | Noticed a skeletal warrior
 10229 | D:11     | Noticed a skeletal warrior
 10231 | D:11     | Noticed a skeletal warrior
 10288 | D:10     | Killed a skeletal warrior
 10500 | D:11     | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
 10898 | D:12     | Noticed a hill giant
 10926 | D:11     | Noticed a skeletal warrior
 11077 | D:12     | Noticed Maurice
 11269 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 11276 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 11394 | D:12     | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
 11521 | D:12     | Noticed Erolcha
 12237 | D:12     | Noticed a purple ugly thing
 12274 | D:11     | Killed a purple ugly thing
 12274 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 12280 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 12280 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 57/101 MP: 21/21
 12662 | D:12     | Killed Erolcha
 12676 | D:12     | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
 12774 | D:12     | Killed Maurice
 12809 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 13367 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 13419 | Orc:1    | Found a frozen archway.
 13470 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
 13547 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 14175 | IceCv    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 15039 | Orc:1    | Found Qeuckitos's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 15176 | Orc:1    | You fall through a shaft!
 15176 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 15176 | Orc:2    | Noticed an orc high priest
 15176 | Orc:2    | Noticed Rupert
 15261 | Orc:1    | Noticed Urug
 15343 | Orc:1    | Killed Urug
 15343 | Orc:1    | Reached XP level 13. HP: 104/111 MP: 23/23

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 |
---------------+-------------------------------------+-----
Axes           |  3  4  5  6  8  9 11    12    14 16 | 16.7
Fighting       |                    4  5  6     8  9 |  9.0
Evocations     |                    1  3        5  6 |  6.4
Armour         |                       5  7     8  9 |  9.2
Dodging        |                          1          |  1.9
Invocations    |                          6 12 13    | 13.7
Shields        |                                     |  3.2

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: War axe           |   107 |   151 |   457 |   353 |       ||  1068
       Broad axe         |       |       |       |   541 |       ||   541
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     5 |    14 |       ||    19
  Use: Scroll            |       |     7 |    15 |    11 |       ||    33
       Potion            |       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
 Stab: Distracted        |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Paralysed         |       |       |     7 |    87 |       ||    94
  Eat: Chunk             |     2 |     4 |    17 |    16 |       ||    39
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
Armor: Scale mail        |    53 |    70 |    21 |       |       ||   144
       Ring mail         |       |       |    18 |       |       ||    18
       Plate armour      |       |       |   112 |   424 |       ||   536
Dodge: Dodged            |    30 |    34 |    50 |   119 |       ||   233
Block: Shield            |    55 |    54 |   221 |   522 |       ||   852
       Reflection        |       |       |     7 |    25 |       ||    32



Questions:
1. I vaguely recall somewhere that axe users are typically better off with 2-handers. But I have a nice +6 broad axe at the moment. Should I stick with it and start training shields, or should I hope for something better? I also have a large shield lying around somewhere.
2. Is there some sort of good/bad synergy with Usk and shields? Using some handwaving reasoning, I can stay in the big fight longer with a shield, so can use Usk's abilities a bit more.
3. For ranged, should I concentrate on Evo, or should I train xbows or something?
4. I have a guardian spirit amulet somewhere. Should I switch the reflection amulet with a guardian spirit one?
5. How high should I aim Invo to be?

My current preferences are: stay with broad axe/shield, train Evo and shields and use reflection.

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Tuesday, 13th December 2016, 04:20

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

I think you will be better without shield, it slows down your attacks by a lot and kills EV. Then guardian spirit will be better indeed. I would go for xbows, you don't seem to have any rods.
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Slime Squisher

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Post Tuesday, 13th December 2016, 08:37

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

0. Ditch that armour. It's an efficient death trap, except or Formicids.

1. I usually prefer broad axe+shield, but your shield skill is too low. Put skills more on Shield.

2. Usk has typically no good or bad synergy with shields, but has *bad* synergy with heavy armours (except shadow dragon scales).
Usk greatly synergies with stealth, and stabbing.
Vine Stalker + Axe with Assassin's Boots + Shadow dragon scales + Shield + Stealth + Uskayaw is one of most OP combos in this game.

3. Forget Evo and XBow, Throwing is enough.

4. DItch that crappy guardian spirit. Uskayaw's ability costs MP and you CANNOT freely decide the time to use.

5. Uskayaw strongly relies with high Invo. But I think 18 is enough for 3 rune games.
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Crypt Cleanser

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Post Tuesday, 13th December 2016, 12:00

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

1. Yes, 2-handed axes are better, especially under Usk. If there is any battleaxe with a decent brand then use it. Otherwise I'd still not train shields when your axe is venom-branded, not yet at min delay and your shield is plain. Don't move on to a large shield unless it's a great randart or you're very far into the game.
2. Usk wants you to do damage. 2-handers do more of that. Axes even more so.
3. Minimal investment in evo, like your current one, is enough. Unskilled arbalest can be used to soften your enemies from a distance, but it's the axe that you should depend on WRT dealing damage.
4. They are about the same in usefulness, gspirit is somewhat better, but no need to stress it that much.
5. About 16 to have grand finale usable at very high piety and 20 to relax the piety requirements. Depends on how much you want to use it. Also high invo increases the desirability of guardian spirit. This isn't your top priority however, train more axes (min delay is your first target skill-wise), fighting, armour and dodging before.

Obviously, don't plan your game on finding rare fixedarts. Orcs should use heavy armour and disregard stealth outside of some niche situations. And if guardian spirit limits your use of an ability, then it means you are already at too low of health. You don't even have evokable invis/blink, and Usk's abilities are rather offensive in nature (confuse row is somewhat mixed, but in no way it's an emergency tool), so shouldn't be used instead of bailing out. And indeed, Maxwell is questionable. It would be better to use a different armour if you have a decent one.

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Post Tuesday, 13th December 2016, 13:58

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

papilio wrote:0. Ditch that armour. It's an efficient death trap, except or Formicids.

1. I usually prefer broad axe+shield, but your shield skill is too low. Put skills more on Shield.

2. Usk has typically no good or bad synergy with shields, but has *bad* synergy with heavy armours (except shadow dragon scales).
Usk greatly synergies with stealth, and stabbing.
Vine Stalker + Axe with Assassin's Boots + Shadow dragon scales + Shield + Stealth + Uskayaw is one of most OP combos in this game.

3. Forget Evo and XBow, Throwing is enough.

4. DItch that crappy guardian spirit. Uskayaw's ability costs MP and you CANNOT freely decide the time to use.

5. Uskayaw strongly relies with high Invo. But I think 18 is enough for 3 rune games.


1. It's ok armour at this point unless player is new and cannot estimate when it's time to run away. AC 34 before Lair.

2. Not really. Nothing prevents you from training stealth and stabbing those paralyzed monsters in plate armour. (I won Mi of Usk in heavy armour stabbing them with axe).

3. We don't know if there is Shoals in the game. I had games where I had 10 javelins in the whole game. XBows or Bows is more safe skill to pick.

4. It is equivalent of Robust 2 at the moment. If you got to low MP without vampiric weapon, it means you must run away, not evoke some fancy ability with 40% chance to fail.

5. People can change equipment. I wouldn't wear the body armour on rune levels and guardian spirit with 270+ HP HO when a better amulet is available
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Slime Squisher

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Post Wednesday, 14th December 2016, 00:04

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

VeryAngryFelid wrote:1. It's ok armour at this point unless player is new and cannot estimate when it's time to run away. AC 34 before Lair.

2. Not really. Nothing prevents you from training stealth and stabbing those paralyzed monsters in plate armour. (I won Mi of Usk in heavy armour stabbing them with axe).

3. We don't know if there is Shoals in the game. I had games where I had 10 javelins in the whole game. XBows or Bows is more safe skill to pick.

4. It is equivalent of Robust 2 at the moment. If you got to low MP without vampiric weapon, it means you must run away, not evoke some fancy ability with 40% chance to fail.

5. People can change equipment. I wouldn't wear the body armour on rune levels and guardian spirit with 270+ HP HO when a better amulet is available




1. AC 34 would be not enough to compensate -Tele in some situations like you fall through L:1->L:3 shaft and immediately get surrounded by pack of death yaks + dream sheeps.

2. Heavy armours significantly cut off your stealth, so paralyzed monsters would wake up earlier before you try to hit them.
Yes, Mi+Usk combo has little problem to win, but it's just because Mi is already OP and Usk is already powerful.
Wearing plate armours definitely does not "have good synergies" with Uskayaw. Mi+Usk+gold dragon scales maybe strong, but VS+Usk+shadow dragon scales could be more OP.
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Post Wednesday, 14th December 2016, 02:18

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

Thanks for the replies. My thoughts:

1. I don't think I've ever played with Maxwell's patent armour but I don't think it is a death trap. +15 plate with useful resists is a pretty good deal. I can still haste, which is the most important difference with formicids.
2. I found a manual of Evo and ended up focusing on that. I have a rod of clouds somewhere and a few elemental evokers, so I think I'm fine.
3. I found a battleaxe of elec, so probably will be going one two-handed. Venom is not that great later on.
4. I am staying in heavy armour, but trained a bit of stealth to help with paralysis-stabs. Being in heavy armour allows me to axe lots of opponents at once, which pleases Usk. Sure, there are other ways to play, but the current way seems fine.

(edit: fixed typo)
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Post Wednesday, 14th December 2016, 03:00

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

papilio wrote:
VeryAngryFelid wrote:1. AC 34 would be not enough to compensate -Tele in some situations like you fall through L:1->L:3 shaft and immediately get surrounded by pack of death yaks + dream sheeps.

2. Heavy armours significantly cut off your stealth, so paralyzed monsters would wake up earlier before you try to hit them.
Yes, Mi+Usk combo has little problem to win, but it's just because Mi is already OP and Usk is already powerful.
Wearing plate armours definitely does not "have good synergies" with Uskayaw. Mi+Usk+gold dragon scales maybe strong, but VS+Usk+shadow dragon scales could be more OP.


1. This is less likely than dying to the same monsters because you had 15 less AC

2. Paralyzed monsters cannot wake up from failed stealth checks as far as I know, it is not en. hibernation. At least they don't wake up from being hit several times with an axe.
No arguments about shadow dragon armour, I am not suggesting to use the Maxwell all game but currently it increases odds of winning IMHO.
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Post Wednesday, 14th December 2016, 03:03

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

bel wrote:Thanks for the replies. My thoughts:

1. I don't think I've ever played with Maxwell's patent armour but I don't think it is a death trap. +15 plate with useful resists is a pretty good deal. I can still haste, which is the most important difference with formicids.


1. It is a death trap but very unlikely at current level. Don't use the armour in Elven Halls, for example. I am speaking with experience here :( Vaults can be deadly too with all those vault warden and ironband convokers though I haven't died there with Maxwell yet ;)
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Post Wednesday, 14th December 2016, 10:00

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

I'd actually be glad to have Maxwell in Elf:$, as a random teleport into either the vault can spell trouble, and it uses much of the level, so it can be hard to get out with a tele scroll. That would also apply to Elf:2 and HoB if not for the possibility of a shaft into Elf:3, as that would be terrible.

bel wrote:3. I found a battleaxe of elec, so probably will be going one handed. Venom is not that great later on.

I really hope this is just a mistake and you meant two-handed.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:2. Paralyzed monsters cannot wake up from failed stealth checks as far as I know, it is not en. hibernation. At least they don't wake up from being hit several times with an axe.

I'm pretty sure he meant increased damage from axe-stabs, not the stealth checks. Not worth it IMO.

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Post Wednesday, 14th December 2016, 13:52

Re: CiP: HOFi ^ Usk

In case it wasn't clear I did lose a character in Maxwell's on Elf 3. HO even.
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