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OpTm^Ely 15 rune. How is Ely not considered the best god?
Full morgue here:
https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Kai ... 182324.txt
My character might not be the best example because of how strong they were after Lair and especially Elf, but I still feel like I played enough with Elyvilon to come to the conclusion that they are underrated. Not in the sense that nobody talks about them, but in the sense that people hype on about Fedhas, Trog, and Kiku way more. It really can't be overstated how good Elyvilon is.
Pacification works on a ridiculous number of enemies and has a very good success rate at modest invocations (around 10 to 12). Creatures with animal or lower intelligence (that are not mindless) are even easier to pacify, letting you simply pick off Hydras and Mambas with just a few key strokes. I can't think of a single other time I have trivialized those monsters as soon as I started running into them.
You can't pacify everything, but it's essentially a fairly accurate, smite-targetted, entire LoS ranged instant death spell that has a chance of distracting other enemies (neutrals become targets). Even though you can't spam pacification attempts like no tomorrow, Ely is still top tier for Lair, no doubt about it. Other notable good pacification targets that came up during my game were Very Ugly Things and Titans, among many, many others. It takes several attempts sometimes, so don't be that dummy that only uses it in an emergency. Piety is a renewable resource.
Speaking of which, Greater Healing is extremely cheap for how strong it is and is useful literally everywhere. In later sections I would heal around 30 damage in a single turn (average 37 at max invo) and I could use it multiple times in rapid succession if I ever got worried. Ely gives piety for discovering new areas, which makes it a pretty much limitless resource in Abyss and Pan and still very very cheap in Hell. It doesn't list it in the morgue, but I don't think I quaffed a single potion of heal wounds during the entire game nor did I use either of the wands that were in my possession.
Divine Vigour is just really really strong. Training invo to 12 gives +25% HP and MP. In earlier sections of the game I would regularly see my health shoot up a solid 70 points. At max invocations it's +50%. In extended I managed to get my Op to have over 600 HP as a berserked statuepode with divine vigour, meaning I had more HP than every hell or pan lord I fought except Antaeus, a fact which changed very shortly after the battle started. ; )
Lastly, Ely has purification. It's not as amazing as her other abilities, being mostly duplicated by pots of curing, but it does heal all lost stats without the player having to kill tons and tons of monsters. It also heals slow, which came in handy more than a handful of times.
I didn't do this because I didn't realize it until now, but you can literally put on a ward that prevents a lethal blow without any negative drawbacks in all extended areas (except for the piety loss... AFTER it activates). According to the bot in the discord chat, Elyvilon only gives penance for hurting natural monsters which means demons and undead should be free reign. I would assume it would also be solid in Zot when fighting OoFs.
Elyvilon doesn't solve every problem, but they solve all of your worst ones. You get an instant death spell that works everywhere on everything that isn't a unique, you get a large quantity of constantly replenishing pots of heal wounds, and you get a jacked up HP bar on demand. Ely has no low points in any section of the game other than when you still have low invocations and piety (which is the case with most gods); this god is extremely strong everywhere else.
The only downside to Ely is that you can't use Necromancy, which could hurt some areas but I really didn't miss it one bit other than Mnoleg and OoFs (and it's just malmutate, I'll live, I really will). Besides, Necromancy is just a cheap way of having a lot of different options. Invocations is the same way in this specific instance and was worth every point I put into it.
Oh, you can make angels that shoot blessed fire cry. Ha, fuck you angels. You can also kill apis without retribution, though for role playing reasons I tried to avoid doing this any more than I had to.
Besides that, Statue Form is, as usual, absolutely crucial for octopodes. You can win without it but it's almost always optimal to get it online if you have it, especially if you start as a transmuter who can really make use of the bonus UC damage and who already has skill points towards transmutations.
https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Kai ... 182324.txt
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-274-g7b51309 (webtiles) character file.
12674951 Kaishin the Grand Master (level 27, 224/224 HPs)
Began as an Octopode Transmuter on Dec 9, 2016.
Was the Champion of Elyvilon.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 15 runes on Dec 11, 2016!
The game lasted 09:32:36 (128032 turns).
Kaishin the Grand Master (Octopode Transmuter) Turns: 128032, Time: 09:32:37
Health: 224/224 AC: 7 Str: 27 XL: 27
Magic: 59/59 EV: 39 Int: 42 God: Elyvilon [******]
Gold: 9724 SH: 12 Dex: 27 Spells: 6/72 levels left
rFire + + + SeeInvis + - Unarmed
rCold + + . Gourm . K - +2 buckler {rF+}
rNeg + . . Faith . T - +2 hat
rPois + Spirit . N - amulet "Xoameysi" {Regen+ Int+5}
rElec + Reflect . Z - ring "Fupraumo" {AC+4 Str+2 Dex+4}
rCorr . Harm . I - ring of Circularity {rC+ MP+9 Int+4}
MR +++.. q - ring of Exauc {MR+ Str+3}
Stlth +++....... S - ring "Sihofyfo" {rPois rC+ Int+4}
B - ring of Dogestot {rElec Int+3 SInv Stlth+}
s - ring of Aklul {Wiz Int+4}
W - ring "Ivecu" {rF++ Str+4 Int+3}
c - ring "Lasic" {rN+ Str+5 Int+3}
@: repel missiles
A: almost no armour, stealthy swim, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, camouflage
1, agile 1, sense surroundings 1, gelatinous body 1, evolution 1
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian,
icy, bone, abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark
a: Lesser Healing, Heal Other, Purification, Greater Healing, Divine Vigour,
Divine Protection, Renounce Religion
You escaped.
You worshipped Elyvilon.
Elyvilon was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.
You visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and saw 90 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 4 times, and saw 32 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 9 times.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Bailey.
You collected 14925 gold pieces.
You spent 5201 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand Weapons
x - the +6 sword of Cerebov {flame}
(You took it off Cerebov in Pandemonium)
It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of
hydra-hunters.
Elyvilon disapproves of the use of such an item.
Missiles
a - 1909 arrows
Armour
K - a +2 buckler of fire resistance (worn)
T - a +2 hat (worn)
Jewellery
c - the ring "Lasic" (on tentacle) {rN+ Str+5 Int+3}
(You took it off a green draconian on level 2 of the Realm of Zot)
[ring of positive energy]
It affects your strength (+5).
It affects your intelligence (+3).
It protects you from negative energy.
f - an uncursed amulet of rage
q - the ring of Exauc (on tentacle) {MR+ Str+3}
(You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
[ring of protection from magic]
It affects your strength (+3).
It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
s - the ring of Aklul (on tentacle) {Wiz Int+4}
(You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
[ring of wizardry]
It improves your spell success rate.
It affects your intelligence (+4).
A - a ring of the Octopus King {AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Int+1 Dex+1 SInv}
(You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Snake Pit)
[ring of see invisible]
It affects your AC (+1).
It affects your evasion (+1).
It affects your strength (+1).
It affects your intelligence (+1).
It affects your dexterity (+1).
It lets you see invisible.
B - the ring of Dogestot (on tentacle) {rElec Int+3 SInv Stlth+}
(You took it off a skeletal warrior on level 7 of Cocytus)
[ring of intelligence]
It affects your intelligence (+3).
It insulates you from electricity.
It lets you see invisible.
It makes you more stealthy.
I - the ring of Circularity (right tentacle) {rC+ MP+9 Int+4}
(You found it on level 5 of the Pits of Slime)
[ring of intelligence]
It affects your intelligence (+4).
It protects you from cold.
It affects your magic capacity (+9).
N - the amulet "Xoameysi" (around mantle) {Regen+ Int+5}
(You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)
[amulet of regeneration]
It affects your intelligence (+5).
It increases your rate of regeneration.
S - the ring "Sihofyfo" (on tentacle) {rPois rC+ Int+4}
(You found it on level 5 of the Pits of Slime)
[ring of poison resistance]
It affects your intelligence (+4).
It protects you from cold.
It protects you from poison.
W - the ring "Ivecu" (on tentacle) {rF++ Str+4 Int+3}
(You found it on level 3 of the Depths)
[ring of intelligence]
It affects your strength (+4).
It affects your intelligence (+3).
It greatly protects you from fire.
Z - the ring "Fupraumo" (left tentacle) {AC+4 Str+2 Dex+4}
(You found it in Pandemonium)
[ring of protection]
It affects your AC (+4).
It affects your strength (+2).
It affects your dexterity (+4).
Wands
k - a wand of heal wounds (3/9)
z - a wand of teleportation (4/9)
D - a wand of hasting (5/9)
G - a wand of heal wounds (2/9)
L - a wand of iceblast (7/15)
M - a wand of acid (7/15)
O - a wand of iceblast (10/15)
R - a wand of iceblast (9/15)
U - a wand of digging (4/24)
X - a wand of teleportation (5/9)
Scrolls
e - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
g - 9 scrolls of teleportation
l - a scroll of enchant weapon
o - 4 scrolls of blinking
u - 4 scrolls of summoning
v - 3 scrolls of identify
w - 7 scrolls of recharging
y - 7 scrolls of fear
C - 19 scrolls of remove curse
E - 9 scrolls of fog
P - 2 scrolls of silence
Y - 12 scrolls of immolation
Potions
b - 4 potions of flight
d - 11 potions of might
h - 10 potions of agility
j - 32 potions of curing
m - 12 potions of invisibility
n - 13 potions of heal wounds
p - 9 potions of haste
r - 8 potions of brilliance
t - 14 potions of cancellation
F - a potion of ambrosia
H - 2 potions of berserk rage
Q - 4 potions of resistance
V - 3 potions of magic
Comestibles
i - 7 meat rations
J - 12 fruits
Skills:
O Level 27 Fighting
* Level 26.2 Dodging
- Level 8.0 Stealth
* Level 16.0 Shields
O Level 27 Unarmed Combat
- Level 23.0 Spellcasting
- Level 4.0 Conjurations
- Level 3.3 Translocations
- Level 14.0 Transmutations
- Level 21.0 Air Magic
- Level 23.0 Earth Magic
- Level 4.2 Poison Magic
O Level 27 Invocations
You had 6 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Shatter Erth ########.. 2% 9 ##.....
b - Sticks to Snakes Tmut ######## 0% 2 None
c - Spider Form Tmut/Pois #######... 1% 3 None
d - Ice Form Ice/Tmut #######. 1% 4 None
e - Lee's Rapid Deconstr Erth ########.. 0% 5 None
f - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ###### 0% 2 None
g - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None
h - Irradiate Conj/Tmut #######... 1% 5 None
i - Statue Form Tmut/Erth ########. 1% 6 None
j - Swiftness Chrm/Air #######. 0% 2 None
k - Poisonous Cloud Conj/Pois/Air #######... 1% 5 None
l - Iron Shot Conj/Erth ########.. 1% 6 None
m - Silence Hex/Air #######... 1% 5 None
n - Tornado Air ########.. 4% 9 ##.....
o - Apportation Tloc ######.... 1% 1 None
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (6/6) D:8
Swamp (4/4) Lair:2 Snake (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (5/5) Lair:6
Orc (2/2) D:12 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13
Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15
Hell (1/1) Dis (7/7) Hell Geh (7/7) Hell
Coc (7/7) Hell Tar (7/7) Hell Zot (5/5) Depths:5
Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva
Lugonu
Shops:
D:11 : D:14 * Orc:2 [}*:( Elf:1 }( Snake:2 =! Vaults:2 }
Vaults:5 =[ Depths:4 [
Portals:
Hell: Hell Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:1 Depths:3 Depths:4
Ziggurat: Depths:3
Annotations:
Lair:4 exclusion: oklob plant
Elf:1 Louise
Elf:2 3 runed doors, exclusion: 3 doors
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You cannot wear most types of armour.
You are very stealthy in the water. (Stealth+)
You are amphibious.
You can wear up to eight rings at the same time.
You can use your tentacles to constrict eight enemies at once.
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stealth+).
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks. (AC +1, EV +1)
You are agile. (Dex +2)
You passively map a small area around you.
You evolve.
Message History
a leather armour; a mace
Unknown command.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
There is an open door here.
You open the door.
There is an open door here.
There is an open door here.
You open the door.
There is an open door here.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
Unknown command.
You have escaped!
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Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Transmutations | 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 13 14 | 14.0
Fighting | 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 27 | 27.0
Unarmed Combat | 4 5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 27 | 27.0
Dodging | 3 4 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 26 | 26.2
Invocations | 2 4 5 9 10 12 15 16 17 19 20 27 | 27.0
Spellcasting | 3 5 6 8 23 | 23.0
Translocations | 1 3 | 3.3
Conjurations | 4 | 4.0
Earth Magic | 8 10 11 23 | 23.0
Air Magic | 4 21 | 21.0
Shields | 4 16 | 16.0
Poison Magic | 4 | 4.2
Stealth | 8 | 8.0
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed | 75 | 132 | 367 | 863 | 1289 | 1417 | 1051 | 1065 | 6287 || 12546
Constrict | 17 | 18 | 31 | 34 | 124 | 167 | 156 | 183 | 803 || 1533
Tentacles | 9 | 11 | 21 | 35 | 207 | 360 | 328 | 351 | 1821 || 3143
Kick | 6 | 3 | 3 | 8 | 5 | | | | || 25
Punch | | 3 | 4 | 22 | 80 | 190 | 233 | 311 | 1455 || 2298
Staff | | | | | 26 | | | | || 26
Cast: Beastly Appendage | 4 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 1 | | | | || 13
Spider Form | 1 | 16 | 47 | 71 | 26 | | | | || 161
Sticks to Snakes | | | 8 | 9 | 31 | 2 | | | 16 || 66
Blade Hands | | | | 8 | 29 | | | | || 37
Ice Form | | | | 16 | 50 | | | | || 66
Repel Missiles | | | | 3 | 4 | 11 | 6 | 4 | 30 || 58
Blink | | | | 1 | | 1 | 4 | 4 | 6 || 16
Statue Form | | | | | 47 | 95 | 64 | 52 | 283 || 541
Irradiate | | | | | 8 | 35 | 23 | 11 | 75 || 152
Lee's Rapid Decon | | | | | | 2 | | | 19 || 21
Swiftness | | | | | | | 2 | 1 | 2 || 5
Poisonous Cloud | | | | | | | | 5 | 5 || 10
Shatter | | | | | | | | | 72 || 72
Tornado | | | | | | | | | 38 || 38
Apportation | | | | | | | | | 21 || 21
Iron Shot | | | | | | | | | 11 || 11
Silence | | | | | | | | | 1 || 1
Invok: Heal Other | | | 1 | 10 | 23 | 7 | 2 | 8 | || 51
Greater Healing | | | | 2 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 7 | 17 || 50
Lesser Healing | | | | 2 | | | | | || 2
Purification | | | | | | | 3 | 1 | 8 || 12
Divine Vigour | | | | | | | | 5 | 15 || 20
Abil: End Transformatio | | | | 1 | 3 | | 1 | | 1 || 6
Evoke Flight | | | | | | | | | 2 || 2
Evoke: Wand | | | | 3 | 7 | 3 | 14 | 7 | 16 || 50
Use: Potion | | | 2 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 15 || 32
Scroll | | | 4 | 9 | 18 | 14 | 11 | 13 | 46 || 115
Stab: Sleeping | 3 | 9 | 5 | 12 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 5 | 71 || 133
Distracted | 1 | | | 1 | 3 | 3 | | 5 | 34 || 47
Invisible | | | | 2 | | | | | || 2
Petrifying | | | | | | | | 1 | || 1
Confused | | | | | | | | | 2 || 2
Eat: Chunk | | 10 | 26 | 48 | 88 | 76 | 44 | 36 | 84 || 412
Pizza | | 1 | | | 1 | | 1 | 1 | 4 || 8
Fruit | | 1 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 11 | 2 | 1 | 5 || 26
Meat ration | | | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 18 || 28
Royal jelly | | | | | 2 | | | | 2 || 4
Bread ration | | | | | 3 | 3 | 5 | 5 | 20 || 36
Beef jerky | | | | | 1 | 3 | 3 | | 4 || 11
Armor: Skin | 6 | 10 | 13 | 25 | 318 | 689 | 335 | 355 | 1787 || 3538
Dodge: Dodged | 62 | 65 | 318 | 786 | 1612 | 1991 | 1445 | 1382 | 8794 || 16455
Deflected | | | | 5 | 7 | 23 | 31 | 21 | 143 || 230
Block: Buckler | | | | | | 604 | 539 | 530 | 3003 || 4676
My character might not be the best example because of how strong they were after Lair and especially Elf, but I still feel like I played enough with Elyvilon to come to the conclusion that they are underrated. Not in the sense that nobody talks about them, but in the sense that people hype on about Fedhas, Trog, and Kiku way more. It really can't be overstated how good Elyvilon is.
Pacification works on a ridiculous number of enemies and has a very good success rate at modest invocations (around 10 to 12). Creatures with animal or lower intelligence (that are not mindless) are even easier to pacify, letting you simply pick off Hydras and Mambas with just a few key strokes. I can't think of a single other time I have trivialized those monsters as soon as I started running into them.
You can't pacify everything, but it's essentially a fairly accurate, smite-targetted, entire LoS ranged instant death spell that has a chance of distracting other enemies (neutrals become targets). Even though you can't spam pacification attempts like no tomorrow, Ely is still top tier for Lair, no doubt about it. Other notable good pacification targets that came up during my game were Very Ugly Things and Titans, among many, many others. It takes several attempts sometimes, so don't be that dummy that only uses it in an emergency. Piety is a renewable resource.
Speaking of which, Greater Healing is extremely cheap for how strong it is and is useful literally everywhere. In later sections I would heal around 30 damage in a single turn (average 37 at max invo) and I could use it multiple times in rapid succession if I ever got worried. Ely gives piety for discovering new areas, which makes it a pretty much limitless resource in Abyss and Pan and still very very cheap in Hell. It doesn't list it in the morgue, but I don't think I quaffed a single potion of heal wounds during the entire game nor did I use either of the wands that were in my possession.
Divine Vigour is just really really strong. Training invo to 12 gives +25% HP and MP. In earlier sections of the game I would regularly see my health shoot up a solid 70 points. At max invocations it's +50%. In extended I managed to get my Op to have over 600 HP as a berserked statuepode with divine vigour, meaning I had more HP than every hell or pan lord I fought except Antaeus, a fact which changed very shortly after the battle started. ; )
Lastly, Ely has purification. It's not as amazing as her other abilities, being mostly duplicated by pots of curing, but it does heal all lost stats without the player having to kill tons and tons of monsters. It also heals slow, which came in handy more than a handful of times.
I didn't do this because I didn't realize it until now, but you can literally put on a ward that prevents a lethal blow without any negative drawbacks in all extended areas (except for the piety loss... AFTER it activates). According to the bot in the discord chat, Elyvilon only gives penance for hurting natural monsters which means demons and undead should be free reign. I would assume it would also be solid in Zot when fighting OoFs.
Elyvilon doesn't solve every problem, but they solve all of your worst ones. You get an instant death spell that works everywhere on everything that isn't a unique, you get a large quantity of constantly replenishing pots of heal wounds, and you get a jacked up HP bar on demand. Ely has no low points in any section of the game other than when you still have low invocations and piety (which is the case with most gods); this god is extremely strong everywhere else.
The only downside to Ely is that you can't use Necromancy, which could hurt some areas but I really didn't miss it one bit other than Mnoleg and OoFs (and it's just malmutate, I'll live, I really will). Besides, Necromancy is just a cheap way of having a lot of different options. Invocations is the same way in this specific instance and was worth every point I put into it.
Oh, you can make angels that shoot blessed fire cry. Ha, fuck you angels. You can also kill apis without retribution, though for role playing reasons I tried to avoid doing this any more than I had to.
Besides that, Statue Form is, as usual, absolutely crucial for octopodes. You can win without it but it's almost always optimal to get it online if you have it, especially if you start as a transmuter who can really make use of the bonus UC damage and who already has skill points towards transmutations.
Hydra skeleton will annihilate everything.