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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 01:24

CIP FeTm Spells?

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-19-gd4fea00 (webtiles) character file.

arandomperson12 the Gouger (Felid Transmuter)       Turns: 8405, Time: 00:28:56

Health: 34/34      AC:  6    Str:  6    XL:     8   Next: 56%
Magic:  21/21      EV: 22    Int: 15    God:   
Gold:   261        SH:  0    Dex: 18    Spells: 3 memorised, 5 levels left
                                        Lives:  2   Deaths: 0

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +      - Unarmed
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    (armour unavailable)
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (shield unavailable)
rPois  .          Spirit   +    (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .          Reflect  .    (cloak unavailable)
rCorr  .          Harm     .    (gloves unavailable)
MR     +....                    (boots unavailable)
Stlth  ++........               q - amulet of guardian spirit
                                n - +4 ring of protection
                                k - ring of magical power

@: quick
A: no armour, no weapons or thrown items, stealth, claws 1, fangs 3, see
invisible, carnivore 3, speed 1, shaggy fur 2, slow metabolism 1, sharp paws
a: no special abilities


You are in the Ecumenical Temple.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 7 of its levels.

You have collected 261 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Missiles
 a - 42 arrows
Jewellery
 g - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 k - a ring of magical power (left paw)
 n - a +4 ring of protection (right paw)
 q - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck)
 v - an uncursed ring of ice
 x - a ring of magical power
Wands
 p - a wand of lightning (?/15)
 w - a wand of acid (?/15)
Scrolls
 f - a scroll of blinking
 j - a scroll of teleportation
 l - a scroll of remove curse
 s - 2 scrolls of amnesia
Potions
 d - 3 potions of heal wounds
 e - 4 potions of curing
 h - 2 fuming red potions
 i - a bubbling black potion
 r - a viscous ruby potion
 u - a lumpy golden potion
Books
 b - a book of Changes   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Beastly Appendage            Transmutation                 1
    b - Sticks to Snakes             Transmutation                 2
    c - Spider Form                  Transmutation/Poison          3
    d - Ice Form                     Ice/Transmutation             4
    e - Blade Hands                  Transmutation                 5
Comestibles
 c - 3 meat rations
 m - 2 slices of pizza
 o - a royal jelly
 t - 9 chunks of flesh


   Skills:
 - Level 3.1 Fighting
 - Level 5.9 Dodging
 + Level 8.5 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 2.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 5.7 Transmutations
 - Level 1.1 Poison Magic


You have 5 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Beastly Appendage     Tmut           ###...       1%          1    #......
b - Sticks to Snakes      Tmut           ###.....     3%          2    ###....
c - Spider Form           Tmut/Pois      ##........   21%         3    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (6/15)             Temple (1/1) D:6         

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Annotations:
D:2 exclusion: 2 downstairs
D:3 ghost, exclusions: ball python and 2 more exclusions, CanOfBees's ghost, amateur OgHu
D:4 exclusion: 2 downstairs
D:5 CanOfBees's ghost, novice OgHu


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear armour.
You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items.
Your paws allow you to move quietly. (Stealth)
You have sharp claws.
You have razor-sharp teeth.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv)
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You cover ground quickly.
You are covered in thick fur. (AC +2)
You have a slow metabolism.
Your sharp claws are effective at attacking unaware monsters.


Message History

There is an open door here.
You open the door.
Found three altars.
Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
There is an open door here.
Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
There is an open door here.
You open the door.
Found a sacrificial altar of Ru and a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
There is an open door here.
Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
There is an open door here.
There's nothing to open nearby.
Done exploring.
Done exploring.
You can't grasp things well enough to throw them.
Adjust (i)tems, (s)pells, or (a)bilities?
Okay, then.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  2 yaks (D:5)
  A black bear (D:6)
  A sky beast (D:5)
  3 ogres
  A centaur (D:5)
  A bullfrog (D:6)
  3 hounds
  An orc wizard (D:4)
  A gnoll shaman (D:4)
  An iguana (D:4)
  An orc priest (D:3)
  5 worker ants
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  10 adders
  6 gnolls (D:4)
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:4)
  An ooze (D:2)
  2 worms (D:2)
  3 dart slugs
  2 leopard geckos
  21 orcs
  3 bats
  3 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  13 hobgoblins
  11 jackals
  7 kobolds
  4 quokkas
  A ball python (D:3)
  6 frilled lizards
  6 rats
129 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A necrophage (D:3)
  A centaur (D:5)
  An orc priest (D:4)
  An iguana (D:4)
  2 worms
6 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 135 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | arandomperson12 the Felid Transmuter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4
   197 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/12 MP: 6/6
   785 | D:2      | Learned a level 2 spell: Sticks to Snakes
   800 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
   908 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/15 MP: 7/7
   916 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Spider Form
  1875 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 16/19 MP: 0/8
  1984 | D:3      | Noticed CanOfBees's ghost (amateur OgHu)
  2069 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  3015 | D:3      | Noticed an ogre
  3028 | D:3      | Killed an ogre
  3028 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/23 MP: 1/9
  3259 | D:3      | Noticed a necrophage
  3338 | D:3      | Killed a necrophage
  3470 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
  4073 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You are covered in thick fur. (AC +2) [Felid growth]
  4073 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 27/27 MP: 10/10
  5390 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  5755 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 25/30 MP: 11/11
  5888 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6015 | D:5      | Noticed CanOfBees's ghost (novice OgHu)
  6078 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  6972 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6985 | D:5      | Killed a yak
  6985 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  7292 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 28/34 MP: 9/12
  7785 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  7785 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations
  7798 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8242 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8253 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8 |
---------------+-------------------------+-----
Unarmed Combat |     4     5     6  8    |  8.5
Dodging        |           3        4  5 |  5.9
Fighting       |           2           3 |  3.1
Transmutations |              3     4  5 |  5.7
Poison Magic   |              1          |  1.1
Spellcasting   |                         |  2.0

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |   123 |   153 |   158 ||   434
       Bite              |    14 |    13 |     7 ||    34
       Headbutt          |     6 |     7 |    12 ||    25
       Punch             |       |     3 |     4 ||     7
 Cast: Beastly Appendage |    10 |    12 |    12 ||    34
       Sticks to Snakes  |     9 |    53 |    12 ||    74
       Spider Form       |       |       |     9 ||     9
 Abil: End Transformatio |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |       |     8 |     3 ||    11
 Stab: Sleeping          |     3 |     3 |     3 ||     9
       Distracted        |       |     4 |       ||     4
  Eat: Chunk             |    10 |    13 |     7 ||    30
Armor: Skin              |     2 |     7 |    19 ||    28
Dodge: Dodged            |    82 |    94 |   132 ||   308

Which god should I choose?
Last edited by arandomperson12 on Friday, 11th November 2016, 21:50, edited 1 time in total.
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Vaults Vanquisher

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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 01:29

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

Chei.

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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 02:11

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

actual non-ironic answer: fedhas, kiku, and okawaru are good for fetm

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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 07:36

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

I really like Dith on felids. Dith, at high piety will basically give you scroll of fog as a free action when hit at ranged* and that is my single favorite defense for low hp/low AC characters. (And felids are the lowest of the low for both.)

* Close combat too, but that matters much less.
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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 08:17

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

Although that means you can't bolt of fire from dragon form without penance.

Also note that I have never even come close to winning a transmuter.

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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 10:07

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

Ashenzari is also good option. You'll get full skill bound with only three jewelry

I've done 15 runes win in my first try of FeTm with Ash.
I could make Statue Form, Dragon Form, Deflect Missiles, Abjuration, Controlled Blink all <3% before getting 2 runes.
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/papilio.html

Done 15-rune wins with all playable species, backgrounds, gods!
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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 11:13

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

B-but reddit told me that Chei is good for Tm.

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Post Sunday, 6th November 2016, 13:18

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

Chei is good for Tm but not for fragile fast species who cannot use Blade Hands in heavy armour. SpTm of Chei is not great either (I tried it). Less damage from Slouch, removed option of running away and you still can lose 50% amount of HP in a hit despite high EV.
Underestimated: cleaving, Deep Elf, Formicid, Vehumet, EV
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Post Friday, 11th November 2016, 21:51

Re: CIP FeTm Spells?

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-38-g7d30548 (webtiles) character file.

arandomperson12 the Gouger (Felid Transmuter)      Turns: 29143, Time: 01:44:15

Health: 60/60      AC: 11    Str:  6    XL:     13   Next: 27%
Magic:  20/20      EV: 31    Int: 16    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   622        SH:  0    Dex: 20    Spells: 4 memorised, 10 levels left
                                        Lives:  2   Deaths: 1

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +      - Unarmed
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    (armour unavailable)
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (shield unavailable)
rPois  .          Spirit   +    (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .          Reflect  .    (cloak unavailable)
rCorr  .          Harm     .    (gloves unavailable)
MR     +....                    (boots unavailable)
Stlth  ++........               q - amulet of guardian spirit
                                o - +4 ring of protection
                                n - +4 ring of protection

@: quick
A: no armour, no weapons or thrown items, stealth, claws 1, fangs 3, see
invisible, carnivore 3, speed 1, shaggy fur 3, slow metabolism 1, sharp paws
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are on level 12 of the Dungeon.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 20 of its levels.

You have collected 919 gold pieces.
You have spent 297 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Missiles
 a - 128 arrows
Jewellery
 g - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 k - an uncursed ring of magical power
 n - a +4 ring of protection (left paw)
 o - a +4 ring of protection (right paw)
 q - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck)
 E - a glowing citrine amulet
 Y - an uncursed ring of wizardry
Wands
 d - a wand of polymorph (?/24) {zapped: 6}
 p - a wand of lightning (?/15)
 s - a wand of confusion (2/48)
 w - a wand of acid (?/15)
 x - a wand of polymorph (?/24)
 y - a wand of flame (?/48)
 C - a wand of confusion (?/48)
 G - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
 L - a wand of teleportation (?/9)
 M - a wand of slowing (?/48) {zapped: 17}
 P - a wand of random effects (?/48)
 W - a wand of slowing (?/48)
Scrolls
 f - 2 scrolls of blinking
 j - a scroll of teleportation
 l - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 K - 2 scrolls labeled DOOSYM DUNUITA
 N - 2 scrolls labeled OXTIBY OHUCSA
 O - 8 scrolls of fog
 S - a scroll labeled RENAIL MEARUF
 T - a scroll labeled OJUKYL TEKKORY
 X - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
Potions
 e - 7 potions of curing
 h - 3 potions of flight
 r - 2 potions of lignification
 t - a potion of invisibility
 u - a potion of haste
 F - a murky brown potion
 J - a bubbling emerald potion
 Q - a cyan potion
 Z - 2 coppery potions
Books
 b - a book of Clouds   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Mephitic Cloud               Conjuration/Poison/Air        3
    b - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    c - Poisonous Cloud              Conjuration/Poison/Air        6
    d - Freezing Cloud               Conjuration/Ice/Air           6
    e - Ring of Flames               Charms/Fire                   7
Comestibles
 c - 6 meat rations
 i - 6 chunks of flesh
 D - 4 beef jerkies


   Skills:
 - Level 9.0 Fighting
 - Level 13.3 Dodging
 + Level 14.8 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 4.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 11.2 Transmutations
 - Level 4.0 Ice Magic
 - Level 1.1 Poison Magic
 - Level 5.1 Invocations


You have 10 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Beastly Appendage     Tmut           #####.       1%          1    None
b - Sticks to Snakes      Tmut           #####...     1%          2    ##.....
c - Spider Form           Tmut/Pois      ###.......   4%          3    ###....
d - Ice Form              Ice/Tmut       ####....     10%         4    ####...


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:9
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4       Spider (0/4) Lair:2        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (1/2) D:11       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:8 *   D:10 [   D:11 [[

Annotations:
D:2 exclusion: 2 downstairs
D:3 ghost, exclusions: ball python and 2 more exclusions, CanOfBees's ghost, amateur OgHu
D:4 exclusion: 2 downstairs
D:5 CanOfBees's ghost, novice OgHu
D:6 exclusion: downstairs
D:11 exclusion: downstairs
Lair:3 dragon vault, 1 exclusion
Lair:6 dragon vault


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear armour.
You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items.
Your paws allow you to move quietly. (Stealth)
You have sharp claws.
You have razor-sharp teeth.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv)
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You cover ground quickly.
Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm. (AC +3, rC+)
You have a slow metabolism.
Your sharp claws are effective at attacking unaware monsters.


Message History

2 large rocks; a cyclops corpse
You butcher the cyclops corpse.
i - 4 chunks of flesh
You see here 2 large rocks.
You see here a bullfrog corpse.
You butcher the bullfrog corpse.
i - 7 chunks of flesh (gained 3)
You see here a bullfrog skeleton.
You start resting. Eating one of 7 chunks of flesh.
You start eating one of the 7 chunks of flesh.
This raw flesh tastes great.
Magic restored.
You warm up again.
The iguana is too close now for your liking.
An orc comes into view. It is wielding a club.
The iguana hisses angrily. The orc shouts!
The iguana hisses menacingly.
You see here 2 large rocks.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  2 hydras
  Sonja (D:11)
  The ghost of GlassEater the Covert, a novice VSAs of Dithmenos (D:10)
  An unseen horror (D:10)
  A hill giant (D:10)
  A cyclops (D:12)
  An ugly thing (D:9)
  A merfolk siren (Lair:4)
  An elephant (Lair:5)
  2 black mambas
  A molten gargoyle (Lair:3)
  8 spiny frogs
  A rime drake (Lair:3)
  A kobold demonologist (D:11)
  A centaur skeleton (D:10)
  3 torpor snails
  13 komodo dragons
  A troll (D:11)
  3 jumping spiders (Lair:2)
  A polar bear (Lair:2)
  A merfolk (Lair:4)
  24 blink frogs
  8 hippogriffs
  2 redbacks (Lair:2)
  44 yaks
  Grum (D:7)
  A wyvern (Lair:2)
  3 basilisks
  A mottled dragon (D:10)
  16 water moccasins
  11 porcupines
  6 orc warriors
  A hornet zombie (D:9)
  4 black bears
  5 ice beasts
  A phantom (D:11)
  3 sky beasts
  A necrophage (D:11)
  6 ogres
  5 wolves
  8 centaurs
  13 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  6 bullfrogs
  A wyvern skeleton (D:10)
  4 scorpions
  24 killer bees
  8 wights
  5 howler monkeys
  4 crimson imps
  A bullfrog zombie (D:10)
  3 bullfrog skeletons
  7 hounds
  3 jellies
  14 orc wizards
  A gnoll shaman (D:4)
  4 iguanas
  3 orc priests
  11 worker ants
  2 killer bee zombies
  2 worker ant zombies
  11 adders
  6 gnolls (D:4)
  2 howler monkey skeletons
  A shadow imp (D:8)
  2 oozes
  2 worms (D:2)
  3 dart slugs
  7 leopard geckos
  41 orcs
  3 bats
  7 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  13 hobgoblins
  18 jackals
  20 kobolds
  6 quokkas
  A ball python (D:3)
  6 frilled lizards
  6 rats
  2 fungi (Lair:6)
  3 plants (D:9)
483 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  2 merfolk sirens (Lair:4)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:1)
  A water moccasin (Lair:4)
  A black bear (D:8)
  A necrophage (D:3)
  A centaur (D:5)
  A wight (D:7)
  An orc priest (D:4)
  An iguana (D:4)
  2 worms
  An orc (D:7)
13 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  13 fungi
  12 plants
25 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 521 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | arandomperson12 the Felid Transmuter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4
   197 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/12 MP: 6/6
   785 | D:2      | Learned a level 2 spell: Sticks to Snakes
   800 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
   908 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/15 MP: 7/7
   916 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Spider Form
  1875 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 16/19 MP: 0/8
  1984 | D:3      | Noticed CanOfBees's ghost (amateur OgHu)
  2069 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  3015 | D:3      | Noticed an ogre
  3028 | D:3      | Killed an ogre
  3028 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/23 MP: 1/9
  3259 | D:3      | Noticed a necrophage
  3338 | D:3      | Killed a necrophage
  3470 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
  4073 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You are covered in thick fur. (AC +2) [Felid growth]
  4073 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 27/27 MP: 10/10
  5390 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  5755 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 25/30 MP: 11/11
  5888 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6015 | D:5      | Noticed CanOfBees's ghost (novice OgHu)
  6078 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  6972 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6985 | D:5      | Killed a yak
  6985 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  6986 | D:5      | Noticed a yak
  7292 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 28/34 MP: 9/12
  7785 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  7785 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations
  7798 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8242 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8253 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8444 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  8778 | D:6      | Learned a level 4 spell: Ice Form
  8871 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  9259 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 33/37 MP: 13/13
  9457 | D:7      | Reached * piety under Okawaru
  9723 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic
 10415 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
 10516 | D:7      | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
 11827 | D:8      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 11827 | D:8      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
 11915 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 42/42 MP: 14/14
 12084 | D:8      | Noticed Grum
 12198 | D:7      | Killed Grum
 12198 | D:7      | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
 12725 | D:8      | Found Uganacek's Assorted Antiques.
 12733 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 12739 | D:8      | Bought a scroll of blinking for 262 gold pieces
 12739 | D:8      | Bought a scroll labeled ORPHEM FATROMPA for 35 gold pieces
 12865 | D:8      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 13585 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 14311 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 14381 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Okawaru
 15289 | Lair:2   | Noticed a spiny frog
 15302 | Lair:2   | Killed a spiny frog
 15737 | Lair:2   | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru
 15753 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 21/48 MP: 9/18
 16889 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
 17146 | Lair:2   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 17168 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 17950 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
 18047 | Lair:2   | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru
 18532 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 18611 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 19172 | Lair:2   | Gained mutation: Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm. (AC +3, rC+) [Felid growth]
 19172 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 52/52 MP: 19/19
 19514 | Lair:3   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 19638 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
 19643 | Lair:3   | HP: 2/62 [seven-headed hydra (10)]
 19643 | Lair:3   | Mangled by a seven-headed hydra
 19644 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 11. HP: -6/57 MP: 0/27
 20201 | Lair:3   | Noticed a fire dragon
 20826 | Lair:4   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 20874 | Lair:4   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 21263 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 22188 | Lair:5   | Upgraded the game from 0.20-a0-19-gd4fea00 to 0.20-a0-32-gb8e7c72
 22565 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 55/55 MP: 19/19
 22808 | Lair:5   | You fall through a shaft!
 22808 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 23025 | Lair:6   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 23061 | Lair:6   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 23061 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 23221 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 23221 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 25254 | Lair:6   | Found a runed door.
 25535 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 25979 | D:10     | Noticed GlassEater's ghost (novice VSAs)
 26002 | D:10     | Killed GlassEater's ghost
 26002 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Transmutations
 26138 | D:10     | Found Fopteulu's Antique Armour Boutique.
 26378 | D:10     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 47/60 MP: 19/20
 26828 | D:10     | Upgraded the game from 0.20-a0-32-gb8e7c72 to 0.20-a0-38-g7d30548
 27423 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 27425 | D:11     | Found Juedugh's Armour Shop.
 28081 | D:11     | Noticed Sonja
 28465 | D:11     | Found Gaevonn's Antique Armour Shop.
 28995 | D:11     | Killed Sonja
 29043 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 29043 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 |
---------------+----------------------------------------+-----
Unarmed Combat |     4     5     6  8  9 10    12 14    | 14.8
Dodging        |           3        4  5  7  9 12 13    | 13.3
Fighting       |           2           3  4  6  8  9    |  9.0
Transmutations |              3     4  6  8  9    10 11 | 11.2
Poison Magic   |              1                         |  1.1
Ice Magic      |                          4             |  4.0
Spellcasting   |                             4          |  4.0
Invocations    |                                5       |  5.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |   123 |   153 |   496 |   939 |   182 ||  1893
       Bite              |    14 |    13 |    40 |    11 |    15 ||    93
       Headbutt          |     6 |     7 |    14 |       |       ||    27
       Punch             |       |     3 |    15 |     7 |     6 ||    31
 Cast: Beastly Appendage |    10 |    12 |    13 |       |       ||    35
       Sticks to Snakes  |     9 |    53 |    20 |    41 |    17 ||   140
       Spider Form       |       |       |    14 |     6 |       ||    20
       Ice Form          |       |       |     3 |    97 |    12 ||   112
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |       |     5 |     2 ||     7
       Finesse           |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Abil: End Transformatio |       |       |     7 |    54 |     8 ||    69
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |    11 |    12 ||    23
  Use: Scroll            |       |     8 |     5 |    10 |       ||    23
       Potion            |       |       |     2 |     2 |       ||     4
 Stab: Sleeping          |     3 |     3 |     4 |     5 |     2 ||    17
       Distracted        |       |     4 |     1 |     5 |     1 ||    11
       Confused          |       |       |       |     2 |     2 ||     4
  Eat: Chunk             |    10 |    13 |    16 |    57 |     9 ||   105
Armor: Skin              |     2 |     7 |    47 |   111 |    14 ||   181
Dodge: Dodged            |    82 |    94 |   418 |   628 |   153 ||  1375

Should I learn any of the new spells? Should I learn blade hands?

Lair Larrikin

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Post Saturday, 12th November 2016, 00:25

Re: CIP FeTm Spells?

Blade hands is very strong

Mephitic cloud can be useful for disabling many foes. Powerful or dumb foes will walk through conjured flames to get to you; you can make them stand in one while you fight them for solid damage. The other cloud spells may be a rather high investment right now.

I'd consider getting 8-9 levels of stealth when you have a moment. It is quite cheap for felids and you'll notice the difference quickly.

Tomb Titivator

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Post Saturday, 12th November 2016, 12:00

Re: CIP FeTm Spells?

A felid deals ludicrous stabbing damage, and stabbing bonus is (UC+Stealth)/2, so like Nino said, train some Stealth next.

Anything that nets you more stabs is a good Felid spell, and Mephitic Cloud is one. Other great stabbing spells to be on a lookout for are hexes like Confusing Touch, Ensorcelled Hibernation, Confuse.
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Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Sunday, 13th November 2016, 04:14

Re: CIP FeTm Spells?

ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:A felid deals ludicrous stabbing damage, and stabbing bonus is (UC+Stealth)/2, so like Nino said, train some Stealth next.

Anything that nets you more stabs is a good Felid spell, and Mephitic Cloud is one. Other great stabbing spells to be on a lookout for are hexes like Confusing Touch, Ensorcelled Hibernation, Confuse.

Also summons can get you stabs when hexes, invis, and poison can't.
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Spider Stomper

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Post Wednesday, 23rd November 2016, 17:24

Re: CIP FeTm Spells?

Okawaru was my goto for transmuter finesse especially now that haste is gone is pretty damn strong, but also Heroism is a huge boost for Unarmed/dodgy guys. Its really hard to beat. However on my current OpFi that uses Transmutations (after a couple of deaths on pure Tr start planned for Okawaru) I opted of Hepl with a battlemage instead.

Overall I think, although I am not entirely certain, that it was a pretty good choice especially for a delicate species. Until you get to truly large hits the BM buddy is actually pretty close to finesse and always up. But you can also use it to tank and escape. Early on your buddy is actually probably better damage than Oka. So there is that, but the transference part is extremely useful for Tr which is usually starved for skills and poor at ranged. I used up like two ** piety in tombs using transference to single pull greater mummies. Can recommend. Probably drops off later on where finesse is always stellar. But Hepl is leavable. I dunno though I did a ninja pull of an OOF to my dragon form Op and two shotted the thing without getting mutated so it may not really drop off for an almost pure melee guy. Its really hard to evaluate how much transference adds. I wanted to try for Mahkleb with dragon form but I kinda want try seeing how much transference helps with killing the extended rune bosses.

Anyway, especially, for the delicate species doing melee stuff I am starting to lean toward Hepl (I would say do BM, although Hexer is good too, maybe better for Fe) ASAP is better than Oka (unless you want gifts and Op and Fe don't really get as much from that).

Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Thursday, 24th November 2016, 10:24

Re: CIP FeTm God Choice

BabyRage wrote:B-but reddit told me that Chei is good for Tm.

It is! And for felids too! Don't believe me? Think this is a joke?

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A JOKE TO YOU?

WHY ARE YOU NOT LAUGHING?

Sure the second one is technically a necromancer, but I mostly use that background to start with access to regeneration, so hey. Use pain for the first few levels of course, but then I switched into unarmed pretty quick.

In all seriousness though, this probably isn't the most newbie friendly way to play felids. But felids aren't usually for newbies anyways...

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