GrFi hybrid which deity? CIP


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Lair Larrikin

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Post Thursday, 13th April 2017, 21:24

GrFi hybrid which deity? CIP

Hi,

I don't have much experience with Gr but I got this nice early Char, which I decided to take care of and not to waste.
Could you give some advice regarding which God should I pick for making a good hybrid?
I have been thinking to Veh or even Ash perhaps.
Thank you very much.

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Post Thursday, 13th April 2017, 21:25

Re: GrFi hybrid which deity? CIP

kiku by far

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Post Thursday, 13th April 2017, 22:06

Re: GrFi hybrid which deity? CIP

Kiku is a very strong god and would work well.

I often take gods before getting to temple. If you just want to win with a GrFi then of course picking the first Trog/Fed or other strong god altar is great.

If you're already at temple, then just stick to strong gods. If you have some fruit, consider Fedhas.

Veh is not strong and probably not a good idea for this character. It will take a good bit of XP to get destruction spells castable, so I'd stick with melee.

Ash isn't bad, but also not particularly strong. If you have a bunch of remove curse scrolls Ash gets better.

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Post Friday, 14th April 2017, 17:14

Re: GrFi hybrid which deity? CIP

Hi,

thanks for the advice. Here you have the dump
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (tiles) character file.

Gaukimas the Basher (Gargoyle Fighter)              Turns: 7036, Time: 00:25:42

Health: 56/56      AC: 22    Str: 21    XL:     10   Next: 1%
Magic:  16/16      EV:  8    Int: 13    God:   
Gold:   351        SH: 13    Dex:  9    Spells: 0 memorised, 18 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    J - +1 whip (flame)
rCold  x . .      Gourm    .    b - +0 scale mail
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    D - +0 shield
rPois  ∞          Spirit   .    s - +1 helmet of Syhaweits {rC- MR+ rCorr Str+2}
rElec  +          Reflect  +    x - +1 cloak
rCorr  +          Harm     .    M - +1 pair of gloves
MR     +....                    E - +0 pair of boots
Stlth  ..........               A - +3 amulet of reflection
                                (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: no status effects
A: negative energy resistance 1, electricity resistance, unbreathing,
petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +7
a: no special abilities


You are in the Ecumenical Temple.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels.

You have collected 351 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +1 flail
 y - a quarterstaff of chaos
 J - a +1 whip of flaming (weapon)
Armour
 b - a +0 scale mail (worn)
 k - a plate armour
 s - the +1 helmet of Syhaweits (worn) {rC- MR+ rCorr Str+2}
   (You took it off Robin on level 2 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 x - a +1 cloak (worn)
 D - a +0 shield (worn)
 E - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 M - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
Jewellery
 u - an uncursed amulet of magic regeneration
 A - a +3 amulet of reflection (around neck)
Wands
 i - a wand of heal wounds
Scrolls
 g - a scroll of fog
 n - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 w - a scroll of fear
 z - 2 scrolls of identify
 C - 2 scrolls of noise
 G - a scroll of teleportation
 H - a scroll labeled RAICSI GEICVIGG
 K - a scroll of enchant weapon
Potions
 c - a potion of brilliance
 d - a potion of might
 e - a potion of cure mutation
 h - a puce potion
 j - a white potion
 m - a blue potion
 o - a coppery potion
 q - 2 pink potions
 r - a fuming red potion
 t - 3 fuming amethyst potions
 B - 3 potions of ambrosia
 I - a fizzy ruby potion
Books
 F - a book of Enchantments   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Cause Fear                   Hexes                         4
    b - Yara's Violent Unravelling   Hexes/Transmutation           5
    c - Silence                      Hexes/Air                     5
    d - Deflect Missiles             Charms/Air                    6
    e - Discord                      Hexes                         8
Comestibles
 f - 7 bread rations
 l - a meat ration
 v - a fruit
 L - a royal jelly


   Skills:
 - Level 3,2 Fighting
 * Level 10,3 Maces & Flails
 + Level 6,3 Armour
 + Level 7,3 Shields
 * Level 4,6 Spellcasting


You have 18 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (7/15)             Temple (1/1) D:7         

Altars:
Ashenzari
Dithmenos
Fedhas
Gozag
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Ru
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Zin

Shops:
D:4 (

Annotations:
D:4 shop


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
Your stone body is resilient. (AC +7)
You are immune to poison.
You resist negative energy. (rN+)
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.


Message History

Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
There is a radiant altar of Vehumet here.
Save game and exit?
Welcome back, Gaukimas the Gargoyle Fighter.
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
You are alive. Your movement speed is average.
Your attack speed is quite fast (and is slowed by your insufficient shield skill).
Your base attributes are Str 19, Int 13, Dex 9.
You are alive. Your movement speed is average.
Your attack speed is quite fast (and is slowed by your insufficient shield skill).
Your base attributes are Str 19, Int 13, Dex 9.
New annotation for Temple (include '!' for warning):
Okay, then.
Char dumped to '/home/opopo/.crawl/morgue/Gaukimas.txt'.
Save game and exit?
Welcome back, Gaukimas the Gargoyle Fighter.
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Save game and exit?

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♣♣..♣......♣♣♣
 ♣♣♣..⌠......♣♣
  ♣...........♣


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Pikel (D:7)
  The ghost of Giherit the Slasher, a novice OpFi of Dithmenos (D:6)
  The ghost of Cuidoth Cixi the Covered, an amateur GrFi of Vehumet (D:4)
  2 hungry ghosts (D:7)
  Menkaure (D:7)
  Duvessa (D:7)
  An ice beast (D:7)
  2 sky beasts (D:6)
  2 ogres
  2 slaves (D:7)
  A big kobold (D:7)
  A bullfrog (D:6)
  A scorpion (D:6)
  Dowan (D:7)
  4 killer bees
  An electric eel (D:7)
  A centaur zombie (D:6)
  A crimson imp (D:5)
  A hound (D:4)
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:4)
  An orc wizard (D:5)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:2)
  2 orc priests
  Jessica (D:3)
  2 iguanas
  Natasha (thrice) (D:2)
  4 worker ants (D:5)
  2 hound zombies
  Robin (D:2)
  7 adders
  3 gnolls (D:3)
  3 shadow imps
  An ooze (D:2)
  2 adder skeletons
  5 worms
  11 dart slugs
  2 leopard geckos (D:2)
  13 orcs
  3 ball pythons
  11 bats
  4 giant cockroaches
  14 goblins
  10 hobgoblins
  2 jackals (D:7)
  4 quokkas
  3 frilled lizards
  9 kobolds
  A leopard gecko zombie (D:7)
  7 rats
  A fungus (D:2)
160 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An ogre (D:7)
  2 centaurs (D:6)
  A howler monkey (D:7)
  2 jackals (D:7)
  2 kobolds (D:7)
8 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 168 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Gaukimas the Gargoyle Fighter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 1/1
   121 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/19 MP: 2/2
   378 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/23 MP: 4/4
   509 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
   646 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
   656 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
   656 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 13/28 MP: 5/5
   879 | D:2      | Reached skill level 3 in Maces & Flails
   906 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
   953 | D:2      | Killed Robin
   960 | D:2      | Got an encrusted helmet
   966 | D:2      | Identified the +1 helmet of Syhaweits {rC- MR+ rCorr Str+2} (You took it off Robin on level 2 of the Dungeon)
  1056 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1065 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  1065 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/32 MP: 7/7
  1300 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1305 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  1745 | D:2      | Found a runed door.
  1749 | D:2      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  1758 | D:2      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  1872 | D:3      | Reached skill level 4 in Maces & Flails
  1872 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 32/37 MP: 9/9
  1972 | D:3      | Noticed Jessica
  1980 | D:3      | Killed Jessica
  2762 | D:4      | Found Xuohel's Weapon Shoppe.
  2817 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 38/41 MP: 10/10
  2956 | D:4      | Noticed Cuidoth Cixi's ghost (amateur GrFi)
  3117 | D:4      | Killed Cuidoth Cixi's ghost
  3117 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  3117 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  3671 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3747 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  3872 | D:5      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  3924 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails
  3924 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 28/46 MP: 12/12
  4962 | D:6      | Noticed Giherit's ghost (novice OpFi)
  4999 | D:6      | Killed Giherit's ghost
  4999 | D:6      | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails
  5210 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails
  5812 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 51/51 MP: 14/14
  6004 | D:7      | Noticed Pikel
  6029 | D:7      | Killed Pikel
  6029 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails
  6491 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  6502 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  6503 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  6534 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  6534 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  6728 | D:7      | Noticed Menkaure
  6746 | D:7      | Killed Menkaure
  6746 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 18/56 MP: 16/16
  6757 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  6968 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 |
---------------+----------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |        1     2     3     4 |  4,6
Maces & Flails |           3  4     6  8 10 | 10,3
Armour         |           4        5     6 |  6,3
Shields        |              4     5     7 |  7,3
Fighting       |                            |  3,2

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Flail             |    87 |   275 |   376 |       ||   738
       Whip              |       |       |   105 |     6 ||   111
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 |     2 |       ||    12
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |       |     7 |    15 |     1 ||    23
       Beef jerky        |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Fruit             |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
       Pizza             |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Armor: Scale mail        |    60 |   160 |   199 |       ||   419
Dodge: Dodged            |    32 |   102 |    90 |     1 ||   225
Block: Shield            |    53 |   179 |   273 |     2 ||   507
       Reflection        |       |       |    26 |       ||    26


I wanted to go for strong magic and not so supportive as Kiku, but perhaps it's too much to go for LV9 spells and try to hybridize.
Let me know what you think.

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Post Saturday, 15th April 2017, 02:55

Re: GrFi hybrid which deity? CIP

You can pick Oka. Train combat skills as usual until you find some good books. You can then focus on learning magic skills while using Heroism to help you kill dudes in melee.

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Post Monday, 17th April 2017, 22:19

Re: GrFi hybrid which deity? CIP

Masnef wrote:I wanted to go for strong magic and not so supportive as Kiku, but perhaps it's too much to go for LV9 spells and try to hybridize.
Let me know what you think.

You're a fighter, so any magic you learn is going to be support magic to boost your role in melee. Even pure conjurations spells would be best used to soften up monsters at range before you finish them with melee, although it's usually more effective to learn proper "support" magic than simply offensive magic on a fighter.

You'll never be a full caster on this character - 13 int is far too low to cast level 9 spells. Obviously you could raise it by the time you get to the late game, but you won't really reach high enough values to make that viable. You'd want to learn support magic up to around level 5 or so, and not go higher than that. Twisting a gargoyle fighter into a mage would be a challenge conduct more than anything else. Kiku, regeneration, animate dead (with receive corpses) is a much less demanding plan, and would only require about level 10-12 necromancy with maybe 4-5 charms. You'll primarily be training your physical skills. You'll be able to invoke torment somewhat more than most races since you resist it, but still be careful with that.

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