CIP->YASD FeEn - boy, felids are rough.

Sunday, 25th September 2016, 12:06 by nublet

Oh, man. Everyone keeps telling mummies are hard, but seriously, felids aren't even on the same order of magnitude.

More than the lack of gear, what sucks is the tiny HP; hell, even ogres feel like glass cannons sometimes, but this...

This is the second attempt actually; the first died to a single kobold with a dagger that bottled me up on D:1. Seriously, even bad as I am, I don't think I've ever died like this before. Having to stay away from anything that isn't a rat, a bat or a cockroach isn't encouraging, not one bit.

So this is the first FeEn that I managed to get off D:1. Level 5, and still only 22 HP - that's less than many newborn characters I've played. I'd like to pick Fedhas as a god, since I have yet to get a victory with Fedhas, kitties have no use for those lowly fruits, and people say good things about him all the time.

Still, there's one of the usual dilemmas. As the difficulty is insane, and it won't get any better, I imagine that every single point of EXP is going to matter. Hexes are very useful for the time being - being able to take care of that kobold with an elec whip in full safety can't be bad - but by lair, it's going to take some serious investment to hex highish MR enemies such as death yaks (or learn invis, which has essentially the same effect), and hexes become all but completely useless by late Vaults, where just about every monster can see invisible, and the nasty ones are magic immune. Not even just very resistant (of which there is plenty too, anyway), but flat out immune. Why the dev team has decided to make enemies like liches, statues, and fiends completely immune to even a hypothetical 200 spellpower hex is an alien concept that is, and will forever be beyond my understanding. Not to get started on Zot, where the only enemies you can hex at all are draconians and dragons - many of which still have a prohibitively high MR anyway - and again, who on earth needs to hex draconians anyway.
Now, rant on magic immune enemies aside, sooner or later I'm going to stop training hexes, but I still don't know when - the idea right now is to get confuse down to about 5-7% fail rate and then forget about hexes entirely - which is going to be very soon anyway. Getting spellpower up is probably going to be prohibitive - offensive spells like fireball & co. have one spellpower step down; with the bizarre concept of "Enchantment power", hexes have two, or in case of EH, three subsequent stepdowns. Whether I'll get into transmutations or conjurations+elemental offensive spells, I guess, will depend on what I'll find, and, in case transmutations come out on top, I don't know which stat I should focus on.
Still, this is the char dump; as always, any general advice from someone who has learned to keep felids alive is welcome.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1686-g35356ef (webtiles) character file. nublet the Vexing (Felid Enchanter) Turns: 3513, Time: 00:13:21 Health: 22/22 AC: 2 Str: 4 XL: 5 Next: 15% Magic: 9/9 EV: 19 Int: 16 God: Gold: 141 SH: 0 Dex: 18 Spells: 2 memorised, 3 levels left Lives: 1 Deaths: 0 rFire . . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed rCold . . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . (shield unavailable) rPois . Spirit . (helmet unavailable) rElec . Dismiss . (cloak unavailable) rCorr . Reflect . (gloves unavailable) MR ..... Harm . (boots unavailable) Stlth ++++...... (no amulet) (no ring) (no ring) @: quick A: no armour, no weapons or thrown items, claws 1, fangs 3, see invisible, carnivore 3, speed 1, shaggy fur 1, slow metabolism 1, sharp paws a: no special abilities You are on level 2 of the Dungeon. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 3 of its levels. You have collected 141 gold pieces. Inventory: Scrolls h - a scroll of noise j - 3 scrolls labeled SIGOILI KOPS k - a scroll labeled QORAET ZYSHER Potions c - 3 potions of agility d - 2 potions of curing e - a potion of flight f - a murky silvery potion i - a bubbling dark potion l - a cyan potion m - a sedimented cyan potion n - a metallic pink potion Books a - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 c - Confuse Hexes 3 d - Tukima's Dance Hexes 3 e - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 Comestibles b - 2 meat rations g - a beef jerky Skills: + Level 2.0 Fighting + Level 3.6 Dodging + Level 5.1 Stealth * Level 2.6 Unarmed Combat - Level 2.0 Spellcasting + Level 5.4 Hexes You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Tukima's Dance Hex ###..... 10% 3 ###.... b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ##.... 12% 2 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (3/15) Altars: Trog Yredelemnul Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You cannot wear armour. You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items. You have sharp claws. You have razor-sharp teeth. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time. You cover ground quickly. You are covered in fur. (AC +1) You have a slow metabolism. Your sharp claws are effective at attacking unaware monsters. Message History Aim: a gnoll, wielding a spear (chance to defeat MR: 66%) The gnoll struggles to resist. Casting: Tukima's Dance Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Tukima's Dance Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - gnoll Aim: a gnoll, wielding a whip (chance to defeat MR: 66%) The gnoll struggles to resist. There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. There is a stone staircase leading down here. You start resting. Eating a chunk of flesh. You start eating the chunk of flesh. You continue eating. x2 You finish eating. This raw flesh tastes great. Magic restored. Unknown command. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, nublet the Felid Enchanter. Press ? for a list of commands and other information. .#.# #.#..####.#.........# ..<###....# #.#.######### ...#......####...# #<# ..(..............# #.# .........######..# #.# ..#....#.#.....#.# #.# ..#....#.#.###.#.####.###### .<#)...#.#.#.....).........###### #.#....#.#.#####@................ #.######.#..........#..###.###.## #........###.####........#.###.# #######..#....#.........[....#.# .........#.#..#.#........#####.# ######...#.#..#.#......#.# #.# ## #.#...#.#..#....##..#.# #.# .# #.#...#....###..##..#.# #.# .# #.....#....# #..##..#%# #.# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures 3 gnolls (D:2) 3 adders An ooze (D:1) 5 worms 2 dart slugs 4 leopard geckos 12 bats 4 giant cockroaches 7 goblins 12 hobgoblins 4 jackals (D:1) A quokka (D:2) 2 frilled lizards (D:2) 4 kobolds 10 rats 74 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A kobold (D:2) 1 creature vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 3 dancing weapons 3 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 78 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | nublet the Felid Enchanter began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 7/7 MP: 4/4 304 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 8/12 MP: 1/6 395 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 846 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 1083 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/15 MP: 4/7 1919 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 19/19 MP: 3/8 1977 | D:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 2049 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 2102 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Tukima's Dance 2434 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 3104 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 22/22 MP: 4/9 3111 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 | ---------------+----------------+----- Fighting | 1 2 | 2.0 Dodging | 3 | 3.6 Unarmed Combat | 2 | 2.6 Hexes | 5 | 5.4 Stealth | 5 | 5.1 Spellcasting | | 2.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 || total -------------------------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 132 | 63 || 195 Bite | 6 | 3 || 9 Cast: Corona | 6 | || 6 Ensorcelled Hiber | 31 | 23 || 54 Tukima's Dance | | 6 || 6 Use: Scroll | 4 | 1 || 5 Stab: Sleeping | 22 | 22 || 44 Distracted | 1 | || 1 Eat: Chunk | 12 | 5 || 17 Armor: Skin | 21 | 4 || 25 Dodge: Dodged | 145 | 41 || 186

Sunday, 25th September 2016, 12:10 by VeryAngryFelid

Learn Confuse.

Sunday, 25th September 2016, 12:30 by cerebovssquire

Turn off every skill but UC for a while, I would say probably until 8-10 skill.

Sunday, 25th September 2016, 13:01 by Psieye

By the time you encounter infinite MR obstacles, you should have tech'd up alternate killdudes. Not every spell accessible to the Hexes school cares about MR (or SInv) and you should have branched into alternate skills by then. But that's for the future. Get to the lategame first.

Sunday, 25th September 2016, 15:24 by nublet

Update:
Confuse learned (in fact, I picked tukima first only because of the aforementioned pesky kobold with an elec whip), works well for now.
I also learned Dazzling spray, but haven't had the chance (or the reason) to use it yet.

I trained UC exclusively, which quickly reached 9.4; I've begun to train fighting/dodging again, though UC is still focused. I also joined Fedhas, and I'm training some invos too.

I've then descended the stairs to D:7, right in sight of a very nasty surprise: skeletal warriors. Fortunately they were still dormant, and I immediately tiptoed back upstairs. I know these are way out of my league, and go down another staircase. Next thing I know, I'm at 24/39 HP, surrounded by 6 killer bees and a centaur.
I'm waiting for advice before taking any action, but the idea is to pop a scroll of fear and then get back up.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1686-g35356ef (webtiles) character file. nublet the Gouger (Felid Enchanter) Turns: 9624, Time: 00:47:20 Health: 24/39 AC: 3 Str: 4 XL: 9 Next: 14% Magic: 13/13 EV: 22 Int: 18 God: Fedhas [......] Gold: 332 SH: 0 Dex: 21 Spells: 4 memorised, 1 level left Lives: 2 Deaths: 0 rFire + . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed rCold . . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . (shield unavailable) rPois . Spirit . (helmet unavailable) rElec . Dismiss . (cloak unavailable) rCorr . Reflect . (gloves unavailable) MR +.... Harm . (boots unavailable) Stlth +++++..... (no amulet) x - ring of protection from fire A - +3 ring of dexterity @: quick A: no armour, no weapons or thrown items, claws 1, fangs 3, see invisible, carnivore 3, speed 1, shaggy fur 2, slow metabolism 1, sharp paws a: Renounce Religion You are on level 7 of the Dungeon. You worship Fedhas. Fedhas is noncommittal. You are full. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels. You have collected 332 gold pieces. Inventory: Jewellery p - an uncursed ring of positive energy x - a ring of protection from fire (right paw) A - a +3 ring of dexterity (left paw) Wands o - a wand of disintegration y - a wand of acid {recharged} Scrolls h - 2 scrolls of noise j - 4 scrolls of teleportation q - a scroll of amnesia s - a scroll of fog t - a scroll of fear v - 3 scrolls of remove curse w - 3 scrolls of recharging Potions c - 3 potions of agility d - 3 potions of curing e - a potion of flight f - a potion of berserk rage i - a potion of haste k - 2 potions of might l - a potion of heal wounds m - 2 potions of mutation n - a potion of lignification r - a potion of cancellation u - a potion of magic Books a - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 c - Confuse Hexes 3 d - Tukima's Dance Hexes 3 e - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 Comestibles b - 2 meat rations g - 2 beef jerkies z - a slice of pizza C - a royal jelly Skills: + Level 3.9 Fighting + Level 5.8 Dodging - Level 7.3 Stealth * Level 9.4 Unarmed Combat - Level 2.0 Spellcasting - Level 6.0 Hexes + Level 0.0 Invocations You have one spell level left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Tukima's Dance Hex ###..... 4% 3 ###.... b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ##.... 10% 2 ###.... c - Confuse Hex ###..... 4% 3 ###.... d - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ##.... 17% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (7/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Annotations: D:7 exclusion: skeletal warrior Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You cannot wear armour. You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items. You have sharp claws. You have razor-sharp teeth. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time. You cover ground quickly. You are covered in thick fur. (AC +2) You have a slow metabolism. Your sharp claws are effective at attacking unaware monsters. Message History Unknown command. Magic restored. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Unknown command. You climb downwards. Level annotation: exclusion: skeletal warrior 6 killer bees and a centaur come into view. The centaur shouts! The killer bee buzzes angrily. x4 The killer bee barely misses you. The killer bee stings you! The centaur wields a shortbow. The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses you. The arrow misses the killer bee. The arrow completely misses the killer bee. The killer bee barely misses you. The killer bee completely misses you. The killer bee stings you! The killer bee completely misses you. The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow closely misses you. The arrow hits the killer bee! The killer bee misses you. The killer bee barely misses you. Found five items. There is a stone staircase leading up here. Okay, then. ########## #......... ##......... #......$c.. ##.yyy...... #.y.@....... #.(yy....... #........... #...%.?..... #........... #.......[... ###......... #......... You can see a centaur and 6 killer bees. Vanquished Creatures The ghost of Tux the Ruffian, a novice VSMo (D:5) 2 ice beasts A phantom (D:4) A sky beast (D:6) An ogre (D:4) 6 bullfrogs 3 wights (D:6) 2 crimson imps (D:6) 3 hounds (D:5) An orc priest (D:4) Terence (D:3) 2 iguanas 4 orc wizards 7 worker ants 12 gnolls A howler monkey skeleton (D:4) 5 adders A shadow imp (D:4) 3 oozes An adder skeleton (D:5) 6 worms 2 dart slugs 5 leopard geckos 10 orcs 15 bats 5 giant cockroaches 8 goblins 13 hobgoblins 9 jackals 4 quokkas 5 frilled lizards A giant cockroach zombie (D:5) 8 kobolds 2 quokka skeletons 15 rats 166 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Edmund (D:5) An ogre (D:6) An orc wizard (D:5) A gnoll (D:3) 4 orcs A goblin (D:3) A kobold (D:2) 10 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 8 dancing weapons 7 toadstools 15 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 191 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | nublet the Felid Enchanter began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 7/7 MP: 4/4 304 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 8/12 MP: 1/6 395 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 846 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 1083 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/15 MP: 4/7 1919 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 19/19 MP: 3/8 1977 | D:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 1991 | D:2 | Reached skill level 2 in Unarmed Combat 2049 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 2102 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Tukima's Dance 2434 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 3104 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 22/22 MP: 4/9 3111 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 3517 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 3969 | D:3 | Reached skill level 3 in Unarmed Combat 3990 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 4015 | D:3 | Killed Terence 4015 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You are covered in thick fur. (AC +2) [Felid growth] 4015 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 27/27 MP: 3/10 4781 | D:3 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 4908 | D:3 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 5090 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat 5289 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 31/31 MP: 0/11 5546 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 5546 | D:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 5547 | D:4 | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana. 5562 | D:4 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 5589 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6631 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6740 | D:5 | Noticed Edmund 6751 | D:5 | Killed Edmund 6751 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 6899 | D:5 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 7107 | D:5 | Noticed Tux's ghost (novice VSMo) 7269 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/36 MP: 6/12 7837 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 8073 | D:5 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 8128 | D:5 | Killed Tux's ghost 8128 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 8805 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8825 | D:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 8984 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8993 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Fedhas Madash 9290 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 39/39 MP: 0/13 9367 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 9609 | D:7 | Noticed a skeletal warrior 9616 | D:6 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | ---------------+----------------------------+----- Fighting | 1 2 3 | 3.9 Dodging | 3 4 5 | 5.8 Unarmed Combat | 2 3 4 5 8 9 | 9.4 Hexes | 5 6 | 6.0 Stealth | 5 6 7 | 7.3 Spellcasting | | 2.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 132 | 139 | 166 || 437 Bite | 6 | 8 | 15 || 29 Punch | | 2 | 4 || 6 Cast: Corona | 6 | | || 6 Ensorcelled Hiber | 31 | 38 | 49 || 118 Tukima's Dance | | 16 | 23 || 39 Confuse | | 12 | 36 || 48 Use: Scroll | 4 | 4 | 13 || 21 Potion | | | 1 || 1 Stab: Sleeping | 22 | 37 | 38 || 97 Distracted | 1 | | || 1 Confused | | 8 | 13 || 21 Eat: Chunk | 12 | 12 | 17 || 41 Armor: Skin | 21 | 8 | 9 || 38 Dodge: Dodged | 145 | 99 | 136 || 380

Sunday, 25th September 2016, 16:38 by VeryAngryFelid

Yes, only fear gives you a chance to survive IMHO

Monday, 26th September 2016, 10:28 by Reptisaurus

Conversely - I like having hexes way higher than UC for Felid Enchanters. I'm basically NEVER just tabbing anything, and always using confuse on stronger enemies and EH on weaker enemies. (I've learned not to try to stab powerful sleeping enemies after I failed to one-shot a sleeping orb of fire... and was then next to an awake orb of fire. Which easily killed me.) it might take me a few more hits to kill confused enemies, but with super-high hexes I make sure that the enemies can be confused.

And remember, hexes train twice as fast as unarmed combat on felids. So it just seems like a better investment.

My skill priorities through dungeon:

Highest: Hexes
Next: Dodging, fighting, stealth. (Stealth increases stabbing damage and trains - again - twice as fast as UC. And I care waaaaaay more about stabbing damage than I do about melee damage, because I am stabbing everything and straight out fighting nothing, because I am a felid.)
And then: Unarmed, spellcasting, secondary magic school (conjurations, transmutations, summonings.)

Also, some invocations but I'm not using high tier God powers because I just don't have the XP to spare. And some evocations if floor drops are good. Wand of iceblast, sack or spider and box of beasts are especially useful.

Afterwards the secondary magic school becomes more important, but I still don't train UC incredibly high unless I've got statue form online.

Monday, 26th September 2016, 14:41 by VeryAngryFelid

Problem with Confuse is that you still can be hit by that confused Hill Giant and Orb of Fire is immune to magic.
Confusion + EH is the safest way to kill of course, I try to do it vs hydra.

Monday, 26th September 2016, 14:57 by Reptisaurus

Ooh, I haven't tried that. Although hydra have enough resistance that getting off EH is tough, when I first meet them. (With Hexes at 14-15.)

Another option is confuse + dazzling spray at range, but that will eat up all your magic points.

Worth remembering: Ring of ice makes your EH far more effective. (Just remember to take if off if you enter the volcano! That killed me, once.

)

Monday, 26th September 2016, 15:01 by VeryAngryFelid

First you confused hydra and then try to make it sleep. If you are unlucky and out of MP, just run away. Or alternatively just kill the confused hydra with Dazzling Spray, seems more reliable.

Yes, we should get a warning "are you sure you want to enter Volcano while wearing ring of ice and having rF-?

Monday, 26th September 2016, 15:59 by nublet

Update:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1697-g0595f0e (webtiles) character file. nublet the Gouger (Felid Enchanter) Turns: 17925, Time: 01:41:49 Health: 50/50 AC: 3 Str: 4 XL: 11 Next: 63% Magic: 16/16 EV: 28 Int: 19 God: Fedhas [**....] Gold: 501 SH: 0 Dex: 21 Spells: 4 memorised, 3 levels left Lives: 2 Deaths: 0 rFire + . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed rCold . . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . (shield unavailable) rPois . Spirit . (helmet unavailable) rElec . Dismiss . (cloak unavailable) rCorr . Reflect . (gloves unavailable) MR +.... Harm . (boots unavailable) Stlth +++++..... (no amulet) x - ring of protection from fire A - +3 ring of dexterity @: quick A: no armour, no weapons or thrown items, claws 1, fangs 3, see invisible, carnivore 3, speed 1, shaggy fur 2, slow metabolism 1, sharp paws a: Evolution, Sunlight, Renounce Religion You are on level 10 of the Dungeon. You worship Fedhas. Fedhas is pleased with you. You are very full. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 11 of its levels. You have also visited: Bailey. You have collected 732 gold pieces. You have spent 231 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Jewellery p - an uncursed ring of positive energy x - a ring of protection from fire (right paw) A - a +3 ring of dexterity (left paw) Wands y - a wand of acid {zapped: 16} H - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 14} K - a wand of enslavement Scrolls h - 3 scrolls of noise j - 5 scrolls of teleportation q - a scroll of amnesia s - 3 scrolls of fog v - a scroll of remove curse w - 4 scrolls of recharging B - 2 scrolls of magic mapping G - a scroll of immolation L - a scroll labeled QITZONLAMOD Potions c - 3 potions of agility d - 5 potions of curing e - a potion of flight f - 2 potions of berserk rage i - a potion of haste k - 2 potions of might l - a potion of heal wounds m - 3 potions of mutation n - a potion of lignification r - a potion of cancellation t - 3 potions of brilliance u - 3 potions of magic D - 2 potions of ambrosia Books a - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 c - Confuse Hexes 3 d - Tukima's Dance Hexes 3 e - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 I - a book of Debilitation Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Slow Hexes 2 c - Gell's Gravitas Hexes/Translocation 3 d - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 e - Cause Fear Hexes 4 f - Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 J - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Blink Translocation 2 c - Call Imp Summoning 2 d - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 e - Slow Hexes 2 f - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 g - Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Comestibles b - 6 meat rations g - 10 beef jerkies z - 2 slices of pizza C - a royal jelly E - 10 fruits Skills: + Level 7.4 Fighting + Level 10.5 Dodging + Level 7.8 Stealth * Level 12.7 Unarmed Combat - Level 2.0 Spellcasting - Level 6.0 Hexes - Level 6.0 Invocations You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Tukima's Dance Hex ###..... 4% 3 ###.... b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ##.... 10% 2 ###.... c - Confuse Hex ###..... 4% 3 ###.... d - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ##.... 14% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (10/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (0/6) D:9 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:9 [=%** Annotations: D:7 exclusion: skeletal warrior Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You cannot wear armour. You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items. You have sharp claws. You have razor-sharp teeth. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time. You cover ground quickly. You are covered in thick fur. (AC +2) You have a slow metabolism. Your sharp claws are effective at attacking unaware monsters. Message History The orc priest is severely wounded. You scratch the orc priest. You bite the orc priest. The orc priest is almost dead. You catch the helpless orc priest completely off-guard! You eviscerate the orc priest!!! You kill the orc priest! No target in view! You see here a leather armour. The ice beast is too close now for your liking. You catch the helpless ice beast completely off-guard! You mangle the ice beast!! You kill the ice beast! Done exploring. Done exploring. Done exploring. Magic restored. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Okay, then. Unknown command. Unknown command.

Got a book of minor magic and a book of debilitation; I'm more interested in the former.
I've stopped training invos and resumed stealth. I know that a +4 apt in hexes looks very good on paper, but unfortunately hexes undergo a double stepdown - the diminishing returns are, in fact, barely any return - and then there's the looming problem of resistant enemies, which means that eventually any and all exp given to hexes will be pretty much gone down the drain. Maybe I should've picked Ashenzari, but hey, mushrooms are fun.

Monday, 26th September 2016, 16:02 by VeryAngryFelid

I am not sure what you mean as diminishing returns for hexes, you are very far from that point (your spell power for confuse is just about 27, first step down happens at 50 and it is not that significant).

Monday, 26th September 2016, 16:44 by Reptisaurus

nublet wrote: I know that a +4 apt in hexes looks very good on paper, but unfortunately hexes undergo a double stepdown - the diminishing returns are, in fact, barely any return .

Huh. Why do you think that?

I've been running FeEn damn near exclusively lately, and if you want to make it to the end of the dungeon without dying (and you REALLY don't want to die early) you need some hex power. There are quite a few times when I find myself needing to confuse an entire pack of ugly things before they kill me in 2-3 hits. 49% success with confuse just ain't gonna cut it.

Still, definitely learn blink and repel missiles. My last two games I did not find repel missiles at all, and died. Conjure flame can help with death yaks - Death yaks are trivial to kill but they take forever with just dazzling spray.

Monday, 26th September 2016, 17:59 by nublet

Alright, I'm training a bit more hexes then, mostly to reliably stop centaur warriors - ugly things I do my best to take one on one, since luckily they're a tiny bit slower than kitties. So far I handled death yaks and hydras in Lair with mushrooms and oklobs, which took care of them nicely.

Maybe I tend to look down on hexes a bit, since everytime I played VpEn before and overtrained hexes I seemed to be in trouble by mid game. This time, focusing them less, even with the much less forgiving felids the mid game doesn't feel terribly bad.

Fortunately in Lair I hit the jackpot and found a book of changes. For the time being I learned S2S and ice form, but not blade hands yet, as ice form gives some badly-needed HP. I'm looking forward for Dragon Form, since that means even more HP and wands - I also got 2 HW wands.

Monday, 26th September 2016, 18:24 by Reptisaurus

Ice form damn near got me killed a couple times, but I found it much later and had about the same UC that you do now. There are still a lot of situations where you'll want felid speed more than ice form, but if you pump up UC it should be good. I've had serious escape problems in the swamp (hate...thorn hunters...so....much) that swimming would have trivialized.

I'd be really nervous about blade hands. It doesn't provide any additional protection, removes some escape options, and means that you have to stand next to monsters with your 56 hit points.

Tuesday, 27th September 2016, 13:37 by nublet

Update:

Unfortunately, I met my first death on D:15, courtesy of a single hell knight; to elaborate, I was in ice form - full or nearly-full HP, I believe - and tried to lure said hell knight upstairs to dispatch him without his friends, but he was hasted and got, I believe, two or three decisive hits in and before I knew it I was dead, and respawned nearby. Another reminder that I die far more easily than I'm used to, and you can pay dearly for a single slip up. It normally would've also been a reminder to do Orc before finishing Dungeon, but in this particular case Orc was nasty, I had a stone giant on Orc:1 and an army of smiting and demon-summoning enemies on Orc:2, and it took a lot of careful footwork and tactical casting (read: the usual cheap tricks) to clear the area.

Been starting Spider and Swamp; the good news is that I found a book of transfigurations and, while Dragon Form is still too hard, Hydra form is not and will be great in Swamp; the bad news is that Nikola is wandering around in Spider:2, and without rElec other than a single potion of resistance, I don't feel like going down there any time soon, even for a very short time.

EDIT:

Vaults:1, bit the big one. Game over this time. I had noticed that, since the end of the lair branches, things were going south, fast, and apparently popping items was only delaying the inevitable. I believe I spread too much EXP over different skills, namely hexes, translocations and transmutations. I think next time I'll be rolling with Ash, so that I can reroute EXP, once hexes and stealth become useless, into, probably, summonings which seem to work ok on fragile species.

Tuesday, 27th September 2016, 19:34 by Reptisaurus

Huh. That's weird. Spider is generally a cakewalk for a hex-based character. Ghost moths are the only problem. (I used potion of lignification + summons, and still had to quaff a bunch of heal wounds/curing.) Snake is tougher - I didn't die last time I did it, but I'm sure that guardian serpents can one-shot you.

Swamp was tougher, but I had enough scrolls of vulnerability to take down thorn hunters. Spriggans should theoretically be a problem, but using stealth to run for the stairs and break up packs kept me alive.

There's always a chance of getting unucky and gettingcrossbowed, but if you have hexes around 20 and evasion < 35, there isn't much in vaults that can mess with you. Hexes work on (I believe) all normal spawns until vaults:5. (Which I've never tackled with a feline enchanter because I've never found discord. That should make V:5 into a cakewalk,right?)

I'm still not quite sure how to deal with orbs of fire. Don't try to stab them if they are asleep! But statue form or shadow creatures or OOD should be enough to take them out - I think.

Tuesday, 27th September 2016, 19:42 by VeryAngryFelid

I don't think the death was caused by bad skilling, it is quite good training IMHO.

Code:: Skills: - Level 13.2 Fighting - Level 16.6 Dodging - Level 16.2 Stealth - Level 16.3 Unarmed Combat - Level 8.0 Spellcasting - Level 2.9 Conjurations - Level 10.3 Hexes - Level 8.8 Translocations + Level 14.0 Transmutations - Level 3.1 Ice Magic - Level 6.0 Invocations You couldn't memorise any spells. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Dragon Form Tmut ######.... 24% 7 ####### b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ####.. 1% 2 None c - Confuse Hex #####... 1% 3 None d - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ####.. 1% 3 None e - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ##...... 17% 3 None f - Sticks to Snakes Tmut ######.. 1% 2 None g - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #..... 14% 2 None h - Hydra Form Tmut ######.... 4% 6 ######. i - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None

Hydra form is very fragile and tricky to use, I prefer natural Felid form unless I am adjacent to several monsters.

Tuesday, 27th September 2016, 19:45 by VeryAngryFelid

Reptisaurus wrote:Don't try to stab them if they are asleep!

Why not? Felid should be able to survive at least 2 max Fireballs at this point and have good EV and RMsl/DMsl for Bolts of Fire.

Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 00:22 by Reptisaurus

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file. 432867 Murtry the Maledictor (level 22, -39/112 HPs) Began as a Felid Enchanter on Sept 23, 2016. Was the Champion of Dithmenos. Killed from afar by an orb of fire (63 damage) ... with a fireball ... on level 1 of the Realm of Zot on Sept 25, 2016. The game lasted 06:20:47 (113283 turns). Murtry the Maledictor (Felid Enchanter) Turns: 113283, Time: 06:20:47 Health: -39/112 AC: 7 Str: 6 XL: 22 Next: 55% Magic: 26/43 EV: 42 Int: 24 God: Dithmenos [******] Gold: 3868 SH: 0 Dex: 19 Spells: 14 memorised, 4 levels left Lives: 0 Deaths: 2 rFire . . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed rCold + . . Gourm . (armour unavailable) rNeg . . . Faith . (shield unavailable) rPois . Spirit . (helmet unavailable) rElec . Dismiss . (cloak unavailable) rCorr . Reflect . (gloves unavailable) SustAt . Harm . (boots unavailable) MR +++.. Clarity + v - amulet of regeneration Stlth ++++++++++ h - +4 ring of protection Y - ring of Shaolin {EV+8} @: wreathed by umbra, quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, uncannily stealthy A: no armour, no weapons or thrown items, claws 1, fangs 3, see invisible, carnivore 3, clarity, speed 1, shaggy fur 3, slow metabolism 1, strong 1, sharp paws a: Shadow Step, Shadow Form, Renounce Religion }: 3/15 runes: decaying, abyssal, gossamer You were on level 1 of the Realm of Zot. You worshipped Dithmenos. Dithmenos was exalted by your worship. You were near starving. You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 51 of its levels. You visited the Abyss 2 times. You visited 1 bazaar. You also visited: Bailey, Ice Cave and Volcano. You collected 6343 gold pieces. You spent 2475 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Jewellery a - an uncursed ring of ice h - a +4 ring of protection (right paw) t - an uncursed amulet of rage u - the ring "Vareh" {rF+ MR+ Str-2} (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (-2). It protects you from fire. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. v - an amulet of regeneration (around neck) D - an uncursed ring of protection from fire F - an uncursed ring of flight R - the ring "Quxzoe" {*Confuse rElec MR+ Str+3 Int+2} (You acquired it on level 1 of the Vaults) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (+3). It affects your intelligence (+2). It insulates you from electricity. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It may confuse you when you take damage. Y - the ring of Shaolin (left paw) {EV+8} (You found it on level 4 of the Spider Nest) [ring of evasion] It affects your evasion (+8). Wands o - a wand of enslavement (16/24) p - a wand of teleportation (2/9) q - a wand of paralysis (19/24) A - a wand of digging (10/24) H - a wand of iceblast (2/15) I - a wand of lightning (10/15) K - a wand of iceblast (5/15) L - a wand of teleportation (4/9) M - a wand of iceblast (3/15) O - a wand of teleportation (0/9) P - a wand of acid (3/15) Q - a wand of enslavement (11/24) U - a wand of teleportation (2/9) V - a wand of acid (8/15) X - a wand of hasting (1/9) Z - a wand of iceblast (7/15) Scrolls l - 6 scrolls of amnesia n - 4 scrolls of fog r - a scroll of vulnerability w - 5 scrolls of fear x - 7 scrolls of magic mapping y - 5 scrolls of blinking z - 7 scrolls of recharging B - 3 scrolls of silence W - a scroll of summoning Potions c - 4 potions of haste d - 7 potions of magic e - 6 potions of agility f - 14 potions of curing g - 4 potions of heal wounds i - 14 potions of brilliance j - 8 potions of cancellation m - 3 potions of lignification N - 3 potions of invisibility Books G - the Almanac of Floating Curses (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Summon Guardian Golem Hexes/Summoning 3 c - Airstrike Air 4 d - Darkness Hexes 6 e - Invisibility Hexes 6 Miscellaneous k - a sack of spiders s - a box of beasts E - a phial of floods J - a legendary deck of changes {drawn: 1} S - a box of beasts T - a phantom mirror Comestibles b - 18 meat rations C - 13 beef jerkies Skills: - Level 19.2 Fighting - Level 17.0 Dodging - Level 12.3 Stealth - Level 13.3 Unarmed Combat - Level 16.1 Spellcasting - Level 22.0 Hexes - Level 3.0 Charms + Level 21.3 Summonings Level 1.7 Necromancy - Level 3.0 Translocations - Level 4.7 Ice Magic - Level 7.7 Invocations - Level 3.1 Evocations You had 4 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ####### 0% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ###### 1% 2 None c - Confuse Hex #######. 0% 3 None d - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ######.. 1% 3 None e - Tukima's Dance Hex #######. 0% 3 None f - Summon Butterflies Summ #######. 0% 1 None g - Summon Mana Viper Hex/Summ #######. 0% 5 #...... h - Summon Hydra Summ #######... 1% 7 ######. i - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None j - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc ####...... 1% 2 None k - Shadow Creatures Summ N/A 1% 6 ####... l - Ozocubu's Armour Chrm/Ice #####... 1% 3 None m - Cure Poison Pois ###....... 4% 2 None n - Dragon's Call Summ #######... 38% 9 ####### Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:6 Orc (2/2) D:12 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Zot (1/5) Depths:5 Tomb: Crypt:3 Altars: Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:4 ? D:8 * D:11 [ Orc:2 (:*( Depths:2 * Depths:4 ( Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:4 Depths:5 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:2 Annotations: D:1 exclusion: downstairs D:2 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: upstairs Lair:3 exclusion: downstairs Lair:8 fly Orc:2 fly, exclusion: door Elf:2 exclusions: 3 doors and downstairs Crypt:3 Mennas Depths:1 exclusion: downstairs Depths:4 exclusion: downstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You cannot wear armour. You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items. You have sharp claws. You have razor-sharp teeth. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time. You cover ground quickly. Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+). You have a slow metabolism. Your sharp claws are effective at attacking unaware monsters. You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) Message History Your yellow draconian knight's icy armour evaporates. Your white draconian hits the orb of fire but does no damage. Your yellow draconian closely misses the orb of fire. The orb of fire glows yellow. The fireball explodes! The fireball engulfs your white draconian. Your white draconian dies! Your white draconian's corpse dissolves into shadows! The fireball engulfs the orb of fire. The orb of fire completely resists. The fireball engulfs your yellow draconian knight. Your yellow draconian knight dies! Your yellow draconian knight's corpse dissolves into shadows! The fireball engulfs your yellow draconian. The orb of fire glows red. The fireball explodes! The fireball engulfs your tentacled monstrosity. Your tentacled monstrosity resists. The fireball engulfs the orb of fire. The orb of fire completely resists. The fireball engulfs you! Ouch! That really hurt! 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Vanquished Creatures Norris (Spider:3) Nikola (Spider:4) 5 tentacled monstrosities 2 liches 2 deep elf blademasters A deep elf master archer (Elf:3) Kirke (Lair:6) A shadow dragon (Depths:5) 7 tengu reavers 4 thorn hunters 2 ancient champions 2 revenants 3 fire giants 4 vault wardens 7 frost giants 8 emperor scorpions A deep elf sorcerer (Elf:1) A draconian shifter (Depths:5) An iron dragon (Depths:2) An orc warlord (Orc:2) A ghost moth (Spider:4) An angel (Abyss:3) A caustic shrike skeleton (Crypt:1) A cacodemon (Depths:3) 11 ghouls 7 ironheart preservers 2 ophanim (Abyss:3) 11 very ugly things 12 stone giants 7 vampire knights 2 yellow draconians (Depths:5) 7 deep elf demonologists A green draconian (Depths:5) A white draconian (Depths:5) 3 deep elf annihilators A purple draconian (Depths:5) 2 red draconians (Depths:5) 11 ettins An eidolon (Crypt:2) 2 green deaths (Swamp:4) 6 deep elf death magi 16 jiangshi 13 fire dragons 3 vault guards Josephine (D:14) A great orb of eyes (shapeshifter) (D:13) 2 deep elf high priests (Elf:3) 9 ice dragons 11 entropy weavers 7 great orbs of eyes 19 yaktaur captains 2 spriggan air magi (Depths:3) 23 hydras A ghost crab (Swamp:4) 4 catoblepae 4 ogre magi An anaconda (shapeshifter) (D:13) 3 rakshasas Erica (D:8) 7 centaur warriors 31 death yaks 9 deep troll shamans 12 deep troll earth magi 13 alligators 2 death knights 10 dancing weapons A thrashing horror (Swamp:4) 3 tengu warriors 14 vampire magi A titan zombie (Crypt:1) 5 orc high priests A hell hog (shapeshifter) (Elf:2) A shock serpent (shapeshifter) (Elf:3) Urug (Lair:1) A soul eater (Crypt:2) Nergalle (D:12) Sonja (Lair:2) A fire crab (Lair:8) A shadow wraith (Vaults:2) A titan skeleton (Crypt:1) 13 deep elf knights A sun demon (Depths:5) 20 skeletal warriors 2 iron trolls (Depths:2) 3 unseen horrors 4 hell knights (Depths:5) An unseen horror (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) A salamander mystic (Depths:3) 3 flayed ghosts 7 giant orange brains 49 deep trolls A spriggan druid (Swamp:4) A quicksilver dragon simulacrum (Crypt:2) 4 swamp dragons 6 hill giants 8 ironbrand convokers 10 phantasmal warriors 13 orc knights A golden dragon skeleton (Depths:2) A lindwurm (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3) 11 deep elf archers 2 shambling mangroves 27 orb spiders 8 wizards 8 cyclopes 74 ugly things 6 necromancers 2 spectral fire dragons (Crypt:1) 8 orc sorcerers A stone giant zombie (Depths:2) 32 wolf spiders 5 hornets A salamander (shapeshifter) (Depths:1) 45 deep elf magi 2 salamanders (Depths:3) A manticore (D:13) 3 moths of wrath 2 spectral ice dragons (Crypt:1) A sixfirhy (Depths:3) 7 griffons A shining eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:3) 3 toenail golems (Volcano) 2 iron dragon skeletons A frost giant skeleton (Depths:2) 5 black mambas 10 elephants 16 vault sentinels 4 spectral swamp worms (Depths:3) 5 orange demons A storm dragon simulacrum (Crypt:1) 2 torpor snails A guardian serpent (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) An elephant slug zombie (Crypt:2) A gargoyle (D:11) A smoke demon (Depths:2) 12 komodo dragons 5 kobold demonologists 12 spiny frogs 5 centaur skeletons 12 demonic crawlers A rime drake (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 16 freezing wraiths 2 golden dragon simulacra A catoblepas skeleton (Crypt:2) 3 rime drakes 45 yaktaurs A hellwing (Depths:2) An ice devil (IceCv) A polar bear (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 4 tengu conjurers 7 trolls A sea snake skeleton (Crypt:1) A shadow dragon simulacrum (Crypt:2) A polar bear (Lair:7) 8 giant leeches 29 jumping spiders A hydra skeleton (Crypt:2) An alligator zombie (Crypt:1) 8 small abominations 10 two-headed ogres Grinder (D:5) 19 blink frogs 41 slime creatures 2 frost giant simulacra 13 bog bodies 7 boulder beetles A stone giant simulacrum (Vaults:1) A guardian serpent zombie (Crypt:2) A black mamba zombie (Crypt:1) Sigmund (D:3) 33 tarantellas 6 air elementals 2 ynoxinuls 81 redbacks 4 shadows A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 11 wraiths 17 flying skulls (Crypt:1) 6 spriggans 5 water elementals A vampire (Depths:2) 2 fire elementals 2 hogs An ettin skeleton (Crypt:1) 6 humans (Volcano) 14 hippogriffs 4 basilisks 47 yaks 3 wyverns 2 hungry ghosts Grum (D:8) 36 vampire mosquitoes A chaos spawn (Abyss:3) 5 mottled dragons 6 wargs A merfolk zombie (Crypt:1) A soldier ant (D:14) 18 swamp worms 20 insubstantial wisps A glowing shapeshifter zombie (Crypt:1) A water moccasin (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 11 water moccasins 2 hell hounds (Depths:2) 7 porcupines 2 giant eyeballs (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A giant eyeball (Depths:2) 8 large abominations 2 black bears 6 swamp drakes 4 ice beasts An ettin simulacrum (Crypt:2) 3 sky beasts A black bear (shapeshifter) (D:14) A fire dragon simulacrum (Crypt:1) 70 orc warriors 4 necrophages An elephant zombie (Crypt:1) 2 phantoms 9 wolves 31 ogres 3 boggarts (Depths:3) 25 centaurs 9 wasps A manticore skeleton (Crypt:1) 21 crocodiles 7 big kobolds 22 giant frogs A gnoll sergeant (D:6) A wyvern zombie (Crypt:2) An earth elemental (Elf:3) A polar bear zombie (Crypt:2) 5 scorpions A warg zombie (Crypt:2) A water moccasin zombie (D:5) A hippogriff zombie (Crypt:2) 15 killer bees 12 wights 5 howler monkeys A wolf zombie (Crypt:2) 2 electric eels 5 crimson imps 2 centaur zombies 4 quasits 6 jellies A two-headed ogre zombie (Crypt:1) 2 giant frog skeletons 39 orc priests 2 giant frog zombies 6 hounds 11 iguanas 28 orc wizards 15 worker ants 24 sheep 3 hound skeletons A mummy (Crypt:3) A howler monkey zombie (D:9) 8 gnolls 16 adders 94 river rats 8 shadow imps 12 white imps (D:12) An ufetubus (Depths:3) A halfling zombie (Crypt:2) An adder skeleton (D:8) An iguana skeleton (Crypt:1) A sheep skeleton (Crypt:2) 5 worms A dart slug (D:1) 3 giant geckos 156 orcs 8 bats 4 giant cockroaches 5 goblins 9 hobgoblins 7 jackals 4 quokkas A ball python (D:1) A giant cockroach zombie (Crypt:1) 2 giant gecko skeletons 6 giant newts 28 kobolds An orc skeleton (Crypt:1) 2 quokka skeletons 9 rats 3 lost souls 2296 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An ancient lich (Crypt:2) Mara (Spider:2) Sojobo (Depths:1) Frederick (Crypt:2) Saint Roka (Vaults:3) 2 golden dragons (Depths:3) Xtahua (Depths:4) An iron giant (Depths:2) Jory (Vaults:3) A tentacled monstrosity (Swamp:4) A lich (Depths:5) Asterion (Depths:2) An ancient champion (Crypt:2) A thorn hunter (Swamp:1) A storm dragon (Depths:5) Roxanne (Swamp:1) A daeva (Abyss:3) 2 fire giants (Depths:2) 5 deep elf sorcerers A balrug (Depths:5) 3 ghost moths A vault warden (Vaults:2) Wiglaf (Crypt:1) A curse skull (Crypt:2) 2 ghouls A deep elf elementalist (Elf:3) A spriggan defender (Depths:5) 2 very ugly things (Depths:5) A vampire knight (Depths:4) A draconian caller (Depths:5) 7 stone giants A spark wasp (Depths:3) 3 deep elf annihilators 2 deep elf demonologists An eidolon (Crypt:1) A green death (Crypt:2) A vault guard (Vaults:2) 2 deep elf death magi (Crypt:1) An ogre mage (Depths:2) An entropy weaver (Spider:2) 3 jiangshi A great orb of eyes (Depths:5) A deep elf high priest (Elf:1) 2 rakshasas 2 spriggan air magi Fannar (Lair:2) 3 hydras A centaur warrior (Depths:1) A spectral stone giant (Crypt:1) 2 deep troll shamans 4 dancing weapons 2 tengu warriors 4 spriggan berserkers A spectral storm dragon (Crypt:1) 2 sun demons 6 deep elf knights A soul eater (Crypt:2) 11 skeletal warriors A cherub (Abyss:3) A spriggan druid (Swamp:4) A titan skeleton (Crypt:2) 2 deep trolls A large abomination (Swamp:4) A flayed ghost (Crypt:3) A deep elf archer (Vaults:4) 3 deep elf magi 2 phantasmal warriors (Depths:4) 2 giant orange brains An orc knight (Vaults:2) 2 orb spiders A necromancer (Depths:1) A spectral fire dragon (Crypt:1) 2 spectral ice dragons (Crypt:1) 2 slime creatures (Swamp:3) 2 ugly things (D:15) A sixfirhy (Abyss:3) An elephant (Lair:7) A rust devil (Depths:1) 2 spiny frogs A spectral swamp worm (Depths:3) 2 freezing wraiths A hellwing (Depths:3) 2 demonic crawlers 3 jumping spiders (Spider:3) A jumping spider (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 4 two-headed ogres A blink frog (Lair:7) A bog body (Crypt:2) A centaur simulacrum (D:15) 5 flying skulls (Crypt:1) A redback (shapeshifter) (Depths:3) 4 spriggans 3 tarantellas 2 air elementals 12 redbacks 2 ynoxinuls A hippogriff (Lair:6) 2 hogs 5 vampire mosquitoes 3 insubstantial wisps (Swamp:1) A warg (Vaults:2) 2 orc warriors (Vaults:2) A black bear (D:13) 4 wasps 4 centaurs (Depths:1) A starcursed mass (Abyss:3) 2 necrophages (Crypt:2) 3 ogres A sheep (Lair:6) A river rat (Lair:6) A shadow imp (D:12) 2 orcs 219 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 4 eldritch tentacles A tengu reaver (Depths:1) A fire giant (Depths:4) The ghost of XsDoubleO the Grappler, a journeyman TrCK of Xom (Volcano) An ice dragon (Depths:1) A deep elf knight (Vaults:2) A deep troll (Depths:4) A wizard (Vaults:2) A deep elf archer (Vaults:2) A wolf spider (Spider:3) A redback (Spider:3) A tarantella (Spider:2) A small abomination (Abyss:3) 2 centaurs A shadow imp (Depths:3) 2 briar patches 336 eldritch tentacle segments 26 fungi 8 plants A withered plant (Crypt:3) 392 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 2907 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Murtry the Felid Enchanter began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 7/7 MP: 4/4 281 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 411 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/12 MP: 6/6 418 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 1233 | D:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 1606 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 11/16 MP: 0/7 1828 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 2934 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 3051 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/21 MP: 0/8 3288 | D:3 | Noticed Grinder 3771 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 3894 | D:3 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 4201 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 15/24 MP: 5/9 4373 | D:3 | Noticed Sigmund 4389 | D:3 | Killed Sigmund 4389 | D:3 | Reached skill level 8 in Hexes 4389 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You are covered in thick fur (AC +2). [Felid growth] 4389 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 25/28 MP: 3/10 4394 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray 5678 | D:4 | Found Purphedo's Magic Scroll Emporium. 5695 | D:4 | Bought a scroll of identify for 20 gold pieces 5695 | D:4 | Bought a scroll of identify for 20 gold pieces 5695 | D:4 | Bought a scroll of identify for 20 gold pieces 5695 | D:4 | Bought a scroll of fear for 35 gold pieces 6535 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6720 | D:5 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 6949 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 28/31 MP: 10/13 7186 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Tukima's Dance 7646 | D:5 | Killed Grinder 7646 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 7791 | D:6 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 7822 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 34/34 MP: 15/15 9183 | D:7 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 9191 | D:7 | Identified Vehumet's Disquisition on Attacks 9193 | D:7 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 9194 | D:7 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 9320 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 9734 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 9740 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 9957 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 9972 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 9987 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Dithmenos the Shadowed 10225 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 10225 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 41/41 MP: 10/16 10887 | D:8 | Found Pegiosaapp's General Store. 10913 | D:8 | Bought a scroll of identify for 24 gold pieces 12470 | Temple | Reached skill level 9 in Hexes 12646 | D:8 | Reached * piety under Dithmenos 12660 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 12823 | D:8 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 13317 | D:8 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 13319 | D:8 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 13325 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Hexes 13460 | D:8 | Noticed Grum 13463 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Hexes 13521 | D:8 | Killed Grum 13521 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 47/47 MP: 8/17 13543 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 13787 | D:8 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 13944 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 13969 | D:9 | Noticed Erica 13986 | D:8 | Killed Erica 14314 | D:9 | Reached ** piety under Dithmenos 14341 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 14708 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 15112 | D:9 | Noticed a hill giant 15127 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 15127 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 50/50 MP: 4/19 15227 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 15655 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Dithmenos 16165 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 16165 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 16174 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 16188 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 16189 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 16473 | D:11 | Noticed a centaur warrior 16501 | D:11 | Found a flagged portal. 16510 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 16510 | Bailey | Noticed Turrritorrrrrit's ghost (novice TrCK) 16632 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 17265 | Lair:1 | Noticed Urug 17274 | Lair:1 | Killed Urug 17784 | Lair:2 | Noticed Sonja 17793 | Lair:2 | Killed Sonja 18054 | Lair:2 | Noticed Fannar 18079 | Lair:2 | Killed Fannar 18390 | Lair:2 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 18423 | Lair:2 | Killed a six-headed hydra 18423 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+). [Felid growth] 18423 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 57/57 MP: 1/23 18777 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 18781 | Lair:3 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 18798 | Lair:3 | Killed a four-headed hydra 19419 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 19419 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 19802 | Lair:4 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 19807 | Lair:4 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 19841 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19844 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19846 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19902 | Lair:3 | Killed a death yak 20566 | Lair:4 | Reached **** piety under Dithmenos 20653 | Lair:5 | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies 20659 | Lair:5 | Learned a level 5 spell: Summon Mana Viper 21138 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 21142 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 21143 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 21576 | Lair:3 | Killed a death yak 21749 | Lair:3 | Killed a death yak 21797 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 21922 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 22033 | Lair:5 | Killed a death yak 22033 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 64/64 MP: 13/24 22744 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 22775 | Lair:6 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 22775 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 23007 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 13 in Hexes 23474 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 14 in Hexes 23587 | Lair:6 | Reached ***** piety under Dithmenos 24241 | Lair:7 | Found a dark tunnel. 24249 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 24249 | Volcano | Noticed XsDoubleO's ghost (journeyman TrCK) 24277 | Volcano | Reached skill level 15 in Hexes 24357 | Volcano | Killed XsDoubleO's ghost 24817 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Hexes 24957 | Lair:7 | Noticed Kirke 25958 | Lair:7 | Noticed a sphinx 26209 | Lair:6 | Killed Kirke 26209 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 26817 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 47/69 MP: 0/25 27008 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 29444 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 17 in Hexes 30167 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 18 in Hexes 30174 | Lair:8 | Got a warped brass amulet 30176 | Lair:8 | Identified the amulet of Muynadao {Spirit +Fly rC- Dex+3} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 30180 | Lair:8 | Identified the Guide on the Shifting Frostbite 30706 | D:11 | Found Nuxki's Armour Shoppe. 31084 | D:11 | Identified the Grimoire of Plaster Cramp (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) 31105 | D:10 | Reached ****** piety under Dithmenos 31380 | D:11 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 31859 | D:11 | Identified Ytuoh's Incunabulum of Dhcmrlchtdj (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) 31867 | D:11 | Identified the Catalogue of Combed Thunderclap 31957 | D:12 | Found a frozen archway. 31970 | D:12 | Noticed Nergalle 31979 | D:12 | Killed Nergalle 31979 | D:12 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 73/75 MP: 13/26 32015 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 32138 | IceCv | Noticed MuftSizzle's ghost (journeyman TrCK) 32273 | D:12 | Reached skill level 19 in Hexes 32439 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 32939 | D:12 | Learned a level 7 spell: Summon Hydra 33515 | D:12 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 33702 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 34301 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings 34394 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 34792 | Orc:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria 36077 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 36474 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 36475 | Orc:2 | Found Lemiuth's Weapon Boutique. 36489 | Orc:2 | Found Didoimeaq's Assorted Antiques. 36696 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 36704 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 36785 | Orc:2 | Killed an orc warlord 37434 | Orc:2 | Found Ufenege's Antique Weapon Shop. 37587 | Orc:2 | Found Ewaofrir's Book Boutique. 37885 | Orc:2 | Bought a book of Summonings for 840 gold pieces 38110 | Orc:2 | Bought a shiny ivory wand for 116 gold pieces 38110 | Orc:2 | Bought a forked silver wand for 116 gold pieces 38228 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 38424 | D:4 | Bought a scroll of recharging for 95 gold pieces 38424 | D:4 | Bought a scroll of recharging for 95 gold pieces 39004 | D:13 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 39593 | D:13 | Learned a level 6 spell: Shadow Creatures 39615 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 40911 | D:14 | Noticed Josephine 41018 | D:14 | Killed Josephine 41320 | D:14 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 79/79 MP: 23/32 41862 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 42082 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 43675 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest 44260 | Spider:1 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 83/83 MP: 33/33 45684 | Spider:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Ozocubu's Armour 45772 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic 46264 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 48079 | Spider:3 | Noticed Mara 48080 | Spider:3 | Noticed Murtry's illusion 48263 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 49485 | Spider:3 | Noticed Murtry's illusion 50381 | Spider:3 | Noticed Norris 50415 | Spider:3 | Killed Norris 51425 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Summonings 51577 | Spider:3 | Noticed Murtry's illusion 51578 | Spider:3 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 80/87 MP: 23/34 51770 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest 51923 | Spider:4 | Noticed Nikola 51931 | Spider:4 | Killed Nikola 52969 | Spider:2 | You fall through a shaft! 54285 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 55011 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot 55240 | Spider:2 | Killed Mara 55503 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 55503 | Swamp:1 | Noticed Roxanne 56147 | Swamp:1 | Killed Roxanne 56210 | Swamp:1 | Identified Roxanne's Handbook of Transmutation (You took it off Roxanne on level 1 of the Swamp) 58049 | Orc:2 | Bought the Incunabulum of Poison and Evil Magic for 780 gold pieces 60182 | Swamp:3 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 70/94 MP: 14/35 60560 | Swamp:3 | Gained mutation: You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. [potion of beneficial mutation] 60806 | Swamp:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp 61124 | Swamp:4 | Learned a level 2 spell: Cure Poison 63802 | Swamp:4 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 64161 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 65771 | Elf:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 66051 | Elf:2 | Found a runed gate. 66053 | Elf:2 | Found a runed gate. 66054 | Elf:2 | Found a runed gate. 66521 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls 67373 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 67421 | Vaults:1 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar. 67428 | Bazaar | Entered a bazaar 67429 | Bazaar | Found Hucki's Weapon Emporium. 67429 | Bazaar | Found Ledalenao's Food Emporium. 67430 | Bazaar | Found Mevetsed's Assorted Antiques. 67447 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 54 gold pieces 67447 | Bazaar | Bought 2 potions of curing for 108 gold pieces 67447 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll labeled OSIDIFFELO for 18 gold pieces 67461 | Bazaar | Found Xutigh's Magic Scroll Shop. 67469 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of fear for 31 gold pieces 67469 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of fog for 18 gold pieces 67469 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of recharging for 85 gold pieces 67878 | Vaults:1 | Got a pitted copper ring 67880 | Vaults:1 | Identified the ring "Quxzoe" {*Confuse rElec MR+ Str+3 Int+2} (You acquired it on level 1 of the Vaults) 68912 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 98/98 MP: 26/37 69031 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Summonings 70856 | Vaults:2 | Got a vibrating jade ring 70858 | Vaults:2 | Identified the ring of the Salmon {MR- Str+3 Int+4} (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 2 of the Vaults) 71355 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 20 in Hexes 74013 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt. 74219 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 21 in Hexes 74944 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Jory 75524 | Vaults:3 | Killed Jory 76075 | Crypt:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt 77162 | Crypt:1 | Reached skill level 22 in Hexes 78072 | Crypt:1 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 99/104 MP: 12/38 78458 | Crypt:1 | Noticed Wiglaf 78485 | Crypt:1 | Killed Wiglaf 78613 | Crypt:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Control Undead 79562 | Crypt:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 81116 | Crypt:2 | Noticed an ancient lich 81141 | Crypt:2 | Killed an ancient lich 81330 | Crypt:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 84254 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Saint Roka 84432 | Vaults:3 | Killed Saint Roka 86131 | Vaults:4 | Cast into level 3 of the Abyss (vault warden) 86507 | Abyss:3 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 86555 | Abyss:3 | Got an abyssal rune of Zot 86586 | Vaults:4 | Escaped the Abyss 86883 | Vaults:4 | Cast into level 3 of the Abyss (a deep elf sorcerer) 86883 | Abyss:3 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu. 86947 | Vaults:4 | Escaped the Abyss 87423 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 112/112 MP: 25/39 88036 | Vaults:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Vaults 88772 | Elf:3 | Got a coiled granite ring 88774 | Elf:3 | Identified the cursed ring "Vareh" {rF+ MR+ Str-2} (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 89179 | D:13 | Learned a level 7 spell: Malign Gateway 89702 | Elf:3 | Identified the Almanac of Floating Curses 89926 | Elf:3 | Got a steaming bone ring 89933 | Elf:3 | Identified the ring "Ilebenwa" {Str+2 Stlth+} (You took it off a deep elf sorcerer on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 90630 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths 92346 | Depths:1 | Noticed Sojobo 92567 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell. 93065 | Depths:2 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss. 93105 | Depths:2 | Found Pomuom's Blood Bar. 94349 | Depths:2 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 94634 | Depths:2 | Noticed a juggernaut 94845 | Depths:2 | Noticed Asterion 94859 | Depths:2 | Killed Asterion 98940 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 114/116 MP: 32/41 99534 | Depths:3 | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong. (Str +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 100069 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium. 102431 | Depths:4 | Noticed Xtahua 102700 | Depths:4 | Killed Xtahua 103079 | Depths:4 | Found Mimeoset's Weapon Boutique. 103263 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths 103388 | Depths:5 | HP: 5/116 [spriggan defender/demon whip of freezing (17)] 103389 | Depths:5 | Demolished by a spriggan defender 103390 | Depths:5 | Reached XP level 22. HP: -18/112 MP: 12/40 104165 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot. 105358 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting 106236 | Depths:5 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 116/116 MP: 13/43 106653 | Zot:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot 107904 | Orc:2 | Learned a level 9 spell: Dragon's Call 108190 | Depths:1 | Killed Sojobo 108989 | Elf:3 | Got a sparkling iron ring 109155 | Elf:2 | Identified the cursed ring "Adesaus" {MP+9 Str-4} (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 110641 | Elf:3 | Identified the Papyrus of Stones (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 111579 | Crypt:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Crypt 111650 | Crypt:3 | Noticed Mennas 111938 | Crypt:3 | Noticed Frederick 112095 | Crypt:2 | Killed Frederick 112243 | Crypt:2 | Slain by a skeletal warrior 112244 | Crypt:2 | Reached XP level 22. HP: -2/112 MP: 43/43 113276 | Zot:1 | Noticed an orb of fire 113283 | Zot:1 | Killed from afar by an orb of fire Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 | ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------+----- Fighting | 1 2 3 5 7 9 11 12 14 16 17 19 | 19.2 Hexes | 5 6 8 12 16 18 19 22 | 22.0 Dodging | 3 4 10 13 17 | 17.0 Spellcasting | 3 4 7 11 12 15 16 | 16.1 Unarmed Combat | 3 5 6 9 11 13 | 13.3 Stealth | 6 8 9 12 | 12.3 Evocations | 1 3 | 3.1 Invocations | 2 5 7 | 7.7 Summonings | 3 6 8 10 14 15 18 21 | 21.3 Translocations | 3 | 3.0 Ice Magic | 4 | 4.7 Charms | 3 | 3.0 Necromancy | 1 | 1.7 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 108 | 162 | 324 | 585 | 1459 | 1063 | 1867 | 1707 || 7275 Bite | 8 | 12 | 28 | 57 | 142 | 122 | 187 | 210 || 766 Punch | | | 3 | 16 | 57 | 49 | 110 | 123 || 358 Cast: Corona | 5 | | | | 4 | 1 | | 1 || 11 Ensorcelled Hiber | 30 | 23 | 33 | 82 | 168 | 167 | 93 | 3 || 599 Confuse | 4 | 27 | 67 | 63 | 266 | 267 | 576 | 596 || 1866 Dazzling Spray | | | 3 | 97 | 209 | 113 | 255 | 215 || 892 Tukima's Dance | | | | 1 | | | | || 1 Summon Mana Viper | | | | | 25 | 38 | 20 | 2 || 85 Summon Butterflie | | | | | 4 | 5 | 2 | 1 || 12 Blink | | | | | 1 | 22 | 29 | 60 || 112 Shroud of Golubri | | | | | 1 | 4 | 3 | 7 || 15 Shadow Creatures | | | | | | 24 | 20 | 84 || 128 Ozocubu's Armour | | | | | | 10 | 3 | 5 || 18 Summon Hydra | | | | | | | 81 | 69 || 150 Control Undead | | | | | | | 17 | || 17 Malign Gateway | | | | | | | | 4 || 4 Cure Poison | | | | | | | | 2 || 2 Dragon's Call | | | | | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Shadow Step | | | | 3 | | 6 | 9 | 7 || 25 Shadow Form | | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Abil: Evoke Flight | | | | | 1 | 1 | 2 | || 4 Evoke: Wand | | | | | 2 | 4 | 6 | 7 || 19 Deck | | | | | 1 | | | || 1 Phial of floods | | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Use: Scroll | 5 | 6 | 6 | 8 | 5 | 7 | 31 | 15 || 83 Potion | 3 | | | 1 | 3 | 10 | 11 | 20 || 48 Stab: Sleeping | 19 | 32 | 41 | 78 | 211 | 130 | 145 | 36 || 692 Confused | 1 | 16 | 35 | 47 | 139 | 155 | 275 | 287 || 955 Distracted | | | 1 | 1 | 6 | 4 | 14 | 14 || 40 Invisible | | | | 24 | 27 | 8 | 16 | 9 || 84 Eat: Chunk | 13 | 15 | 13 | 29 | 48 | 49 | 81 | 90 || 338 Meat ration | | | | | | 1 | 2 | || 3 Beef jerky | | | | | | | 4 | 2 || 6 Pizza | | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Armor: Skin | 13 | 3 | 14 | 18 | 63 | 61 | 58 | 43 || 273 Dodge: Dodged | 120 | 103 | 243 | 619 | 1581 | 1589 | 2222 | 2008 || 8485

Although I wasn't wearing any fire resistance, and I should have been. I think I falied stab, blink, shadow creature, shadow creatures, pray.

Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 03:14 by VeryAngryFelid

Yeah, without rF+ Felid can be one-shot. RIP.

Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 13:42 by nublet

Reptisaurus wrote:Huh. That's weird. Spider is generally a cakewalk for a hex-based character. Ghost moths are the only problem. (I used potion of lignification + summons, and still had to quaff a bunch of heal wounds/curing.) Snake is tougher - I didn't die last time I did it, but I'm sure that guardian serpents can one-shot you.

Swamp was tougher, but I had enough scrolls of vulnerability to take down thorn hunters. Spriggans should theoretically be a problem, but using stealth to run for the stairs and break up packs kept me alive.

TBH, at this point I wasn't really hex-focused; I was, more or less, a jack of all trades, master of none, which, coupled with some slip ups, I feel resulted in my demise. Regardless, I finished Spider without any deaths and very few worrisome situations. Swamp on the other hand... I used hydra form extensively, if anything, for the speed bonus when swimming, and for the first floors, things were going relatively smoothly. Thorn hunters and mangroves, which would've been the greatest threat, weren't a problem because of Fedhas; spriggans, one on one, could be overpowered; alligators and leeches could be hexed; hydras could be faced, one on one, with some Fedhas allies and possibly hexed; dragons could be hexed, but I didn't even need to; ghost crabs were a pain in the butt, but they could too be hexed with a few attempts and luckily there wasn't a lot of them. Swamp:4, however, had plenty of hydras, which were somewhat difficult to hex and just kept coming. Hydra form was squishy, at least with such low HP, and facing a hydra one on one could easily go wrong. I can't recall exactly how and why, but in Swamp:4 I had my second death.

Reptisaurus wrote:There's always a chance of getting unucky and gettingcrossbowed, but if you have hexes around 20 and evasion < 35, there isn't much in vaults that can mess with you. Hexes work on (I believe) all normal spawns until vaults:5. (Which I've never tackled with a feline enchanter because I've never found discord. That should make V:5 into a cakewalk,right?)

Well some of the giants have somewhat high MR; I can't remember if shadow dragons only spawn on V:5 or, occasionally above too.

The problem with Vaults (or rather, the first floor, because I didn't even manage to get any deeper) was sheer numbers; I could hex one enemy, true; but when other five would pop in and do all sorts of nasty things, such as peppering you with bolts, shutting the doors, summoning, and so on, things could get ugly. In fact, the monsters that eventually did me in were, I believe, boggarts. Yes, freaking boggarts. The very definition of squishy on their own, and with my other characters I could generally just overpower their summons and get to them, but not in this case, and before long I was teleporting all over the place, from bad to worse. While it's possible that neglecting stealth in favor of forms was a mistake, I got my third death, and at this point I pretty much said "Fuck this" and did a banzai charge.

Reptisaurus wrote:I'm still not quite sure how to deal with orbs of fire. Don't try to stab them if they are asleep! But statue form or shadow creatures or OOD should be enough to take them out - I think.

The idea was to use dragon form since it has lots (well, relatively) of HP, hits hard, and has rF++, but that was a long term goal.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Hydra form is very fragile and tricky to use, I prefer natural Felid form unless I am adjacent to several monsters.

Lesson learned. The hard way, as usual :roll:

The fact Hydra has 9 AC and somewhat decent HP kind of lulled me into a false sense of security, and I think, I ignored the fact that it killed my stealth which is possibly a felid's greatest asset.

CIP->YASD FeEn - boy, felids are rough.

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