CIP DrCj Should I try to get CBOE?

[arandomperson12]

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arandomperson12 the Devastator (DrCj)              Turns: 99598, Time: 09:00:02

Health: 195/195    AC: 19    Str: 13    XL:     22   Next: 19%
Magic:  51/51      EV: 22    Int: 28    God:    Sif Muna [*****.]
Gold:   966        SH:  0    Dex: 13    Spells: 12 memorised, 7 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +    i - staff of energy
rCold  + . .      Gourm    +    (armour unavailable)
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    (no shield)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    f - +2 hat {MR+}
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    h - +1 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    A - +0 pair of gloves
MR     ++++.      Harm     .    L - +2 pair of boots {Stlth+}
Stlth  ++........               s - amulet of the gourmand
                                E - ring "Timos" {rN+ MP+9 Int+4}
                                U - ring "Ehimn" {+Fly rPois MR++ SInv Stlth-}

@: repel missiles
A: breathe frost, unfitting armour, claws 1, stinger 1, agile 1, cold resistance
1, cold-blooded, AC +11
a: Breathe Frost, Divine Energy, Channel Magic, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Flight
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer


You are on level 1 of the Crypt.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is extremely pleased with you.
You are full.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 39 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ice Cave and Desolation.

You have collected 5224 gold pieces.
You have spent 4258 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 d - the +10 sword of Jihad {holy, *Rage rN+ EV+3, !a}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It has been blessed by the Shining One to cause great damage to the undead
   and demons.
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It may make you go berserk in combat.
 H - a +9 lajatang of freezing
Armour
 f - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn)
 h - a +1 cloak (worn)
 A - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
Magical Staves
 i - an uncursed staff of energy (weapon)
 D - an uncursed staff of cold
Jewellery
 s - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 x - a +6 amulet of reflection
 y - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 C - a +4 ring of slaying
 E - the ring "Timos" (right hand) {rN+ MP+9 Int+4}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 F - a +3 ring of evasion
 P - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 U - the ring "Ehimn" (left hand) {+Fly rPois MR++ SInv Stlth-}
   (You took it off a boggart on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you fly.
   It makes you less stealthy.
Wands
 a - a wand of teleportation (2/9)
 e - a wand of lightning
 l - a wand of disintegration (8/24)
 n - a wand of hasting (2/9)
 R - a wand of paralysis
Scrolls
 o - 3 scrolls of recharging
 p - 3 scrolls of identify
 t - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 G - 2 scrolls of silence
 I - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 K - 2 scrolls of fear
 Z - 2 scrolls of fog
Potions
 c - 7 potions of curing
 g - 3 potions of invisibility
 j - 3 potions of brilliance
 k - 3 potions of cancellation
 m - 3 potions of magic
 r - a potion of haste
 u - a potion of resistance
 v - 6 potions of ambrosia
 J - 7 potions of flight
 M - 7 potions of might
 Q - 2 potions of heal wounds
Miscellaneous
 q - a sack of spiders
 w - a crystal ball of energy
 T - a phantom mirror
 X - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 b - 25 bread rations


   Skills:
 - Level 16.0 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Staves
 - Level 15.8 Dodging
 - Level 1.7 Stealth
 - Level 16.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 17.0 Conjurations
 - Level 12.8 Charms
 + Level 8.1 Necromancy
 - Level 4.0 Translocations
 - Level 14.0 Ice Magic
 - Level 7.0 Poison Magic
 - Level 7.0 Invocations
 + Level 6.5 Evocations


You have 7 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Haste                 Chrm           #######.     1%          6    None
b - Bolt of Cold          Conj/Ice       #######...   1%          6    None
c - Dispel Undead         Necr           ######..     1%          5    None
d - Poison Arrow          Conj/Pois      ######....   2%          6    None
e - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       1%          2    None
f - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
g - Bolt of Draining      Conj/Necr      #######...   1%          5    None
h - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ######....   1%          5    None
i - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ######....   1%          2    None
k - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ######....   1%          3    None
l - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       #######.     1%          3    None
m - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        1%          1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:8
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:2       Spider (4/4) Lair:2        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:9             Elf (2/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Crypt (1/3) Vaults:2     Depths (0/5) D:15       


Should I try to get CBOE online? I have few ways to regain mana mid fight, as sif muna's channel energy costs mana now. What should I train? More defences? I eventually want glaciate, for vaults 5.

[Psieye]

Not on this character. Unless you're deep into postgame when EXP is a non-issue. CBoE is a huge EXP investment and, without 30 pets to hide behind, is still a large risk for when it botches.

I prefer Sub.Blood + Regen instead of CBoE but again, without 30 pets to hide behind, that's got its risks. Somewhat mitigable by using Sub.Blood at around 70% mp instead of 30%.

[VeryAngryFelid]

If you want Glaciate, train focused Conj/Ice and unfocused Spellcasting. After getting Glaciate online train Fighting. You have everything else to win the game. You don't need CBoE as you have nice lajatang at min delay and nice defenses even without Ozo' Armour.

[Airwolf]

Training Invocations more for Sif's Channel will be cheaper.

[arandomperson12]

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arandomperson12 the Englaciator (DrCj)            Turns: 135904, Time: 13:16:32

Health: 246/246    AC: 22    Str: 13    XL:     27
Magic:  43/43      EV: 23    Int: 24    God:    Sif Muna [******]
Gold:   3590       SH:  0    Dex: 14    Spells: 13 memorised, 2 levels left

rFire  + . .      SeeInvis +    i - staff of energy {!a}
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    (armour unavailable)
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (no shield)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    f - +2 hat {MR+}
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    E - +2 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    A - +0 pair of gloves
MR     +++++      Harm     .    L - +2 pair of boots {Stlth+}
Stlth  ++........               (no amulet)
                                U - ring "Ehimn" {+Fly rPois MR++ SInv Stlth-}
                                P - ring of protection from fire

@: deflect missiles
A: breathe frost, unfitting armour, claws 1, stinger 1, agile 1, cold resistance
1, dopey 1, cold-blooded, AC +13
a: Breathe Frost, Divine Energy, Channel Magic, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Flight
}: 4/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, gossamer


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is exalted by your worship.
You are full.

You have visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and seen 54 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ice Cave and Desolation.

You have collected 9823 gold pieces.
You have spent 6233 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 d - the +10 sword of Jihad {holy, *Rage rN+ EV+3, !a}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It has been blessed by the Shining One to cause great damage to the undead
   and demons.
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It may make you go berserk in combat.
 g - the +7 lajatang of Order {silver, rMut}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)   
   
   It protects you from mutation.
 H - a +9 lajatang of freezing
Armour
 f - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn)
 A - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 E - a +2 cloak (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
Magical Staves
 i - an uncursed staff of energy (weapon) {!a}
 D - an uncursed staff of cold
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 w - the ring of Miomiofi {+Fly rElec Str-5 Int+2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you fly.
 x - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion
 y - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 F - a +3 ring of evasion
 P - a ring of protection from fire (left hand)
 U - the ring "Ehimn" (right hand) {+Fly rPois MR++ SInv Stlth-}
   (You took it off a boggart on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you fly.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 Y - the ring "Josecwo" {rN+ Str+4 Int+3}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
Wands
 a - a wand of teleportation (5/9)
 l - a wand of disintegration (6/24)
 n - a wand of hasting (5/9)
Scrolls
 o - 6 scrolls of recharging
 p - 14 scrolls of identify
 q - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
 t - 12 scrolls of magic mapping
 B - a scroll of holy word
 G - 3 scrolls of silence
 I - 14 scrolls of remove curse
 K - 2 scrolls of fear
 N - 2 scrolls of blinking
 R - a scroll of summoning
 V - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 Z - 5 scrolls of fog
Potions
 c - 8 potions of curing
 j - 3 potions of brilliance
 k - 3 potions of cancellation
 m - 3 potions of magic
 r - 2 potions of haste
 u - a potion of resistance
 v - 7 potions of ambrosia
 C - 3 potions of agility
 J - 9 potions of flight
 M - 9 potions of might
 Q - a potion of heal wounds
 W - 2 potions of cure mutation
Books
 S - a book of Summonings   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Recall                       Summoning/Translocation       3
    b - Aura of Abjuration           Summoning                     5
    c - Summon Demon                 Summoning                     5
    d - Summon Forest                Summoning/Translocation       5
    e - Summon Mana Viper            Hexes/Summoning               5
    f - Shadow Creatures             Summoning                     6
Miscellaneous
 z - a box of beasts
 O - a phial of floods
 T - 3 phantom mirrors
 X - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 b - 9 bread rations
 h - a royal jelly


   Skills:
 - Level 20.3 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Staves
 + Level 15.8 Dodging
 - Level 1.7 Stealth
 - Level 16.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 24.0 Conjurations
 - Level 12.8 Charms
 - Level 8.5 Necromancy
 - Level 4.0 Translocations
 O Level 27 Ice Magic
   Level 7.0 Poison Magic
 - Level 7.0 Invocations
 - Level 9.0 Evocations


You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     2%          6    None
b - Bolt of Cold          Conj/Ice       #######...   1%          6    None
c - Dispel Undead         Necr           ######..     2%          5    None
d - Orb of Destruction    Conj           #######...   1%          7    None
e - Glaciate              Conj/Ice       #######...   12%         9    None
f - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
g - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ######....   38%         6    None
h - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ######....   1%          5    None
i - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ######....   1%          2    None
j - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ###.....     2%          1    None
k - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ######....   1%          3    None
l - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       #######.     0%          3    None
m - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        1%          1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:8
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:2       Spider (4/4) Lair:2        Slime (5/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:9             Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
    Zot (1/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 :   Orc:1 *   Orc:2 ![:[   Elf:1 :*   Elf:2 *   Elf:3 [   Vaults:2 ?
Vaults:3 =

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4 Depths:5
Pandemonium: Depths:1 Depths:3 Depths:5
Ziggurat: Depths:1
Trove: Depths:2 (give +7 demon whip)

Annotations:
D:2 exclusion: downstairs
D:3 phantom, exclusion: upstairs, Pikel
D:4 exclusion: downstairs
D:5 human corpses?
D:6 exclusion: downstairs
D:9 exclusion: downstairs
Lair:6 1 exclusion
Swamp:4 1 exclusion
Spider:1 exclusion: downstairs
Slime:5 4 exclusions
Elf:3 1 exclusion
Vaults:1 1 exclusion
Vaults:2 Bai Suzhen
Vaults:3 1 exclusion
Vaults:5 1 exclusion
Crypt:1 1 exclusion
Crypt:2 1 exclusion
Depths:3 exclusions: downstairs and 2 more exclusions
Depths:4 2 exclusions


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can breathe waves of freezing cold.
You can buffet flying creatures when you breathe cold.
Your icy white scales are hard. (AC +13)
Your body does not fit into most forms of armour.
Your flesh is cold resistant. (rC+)
You are cold-blooded and may be slowed by cold attacks.
You have sharp fingernails.
Your tail ends in a poisonous barb.
You are agile. (Dex +2)
You are dopey. (Int -2)


Thanks to my lajatang of order, only got one mutation (-2 int in slime). Why is my fail rate for glaciate still so high? I have 16 spellcasting, 24 conjurations, and 27 ice magic, but still 12% fail on glaciate without wizardry. Is this because my int is only 24? This is only going to be a 4 rune run, but I want a dwhip, because the trove wants a +7 one, and I already have a endgame weapon and enough ew scrolls to get a +7 dwhip. Should I try to clear the vestibule to get a dwhip? None have generated thus far. Also, what should my main way of killing oofs be? Should I hit them with iood until they get close, then beat them with the lajatang of order? I have to train more magic to maintain sif muna piety, should I go for spellforged servitor?

[Shard1697]

Spellforged servitor is really good with this kind of character, so yes. I wouldn't bother with the trove.

[VeryAngryFelid]

Yes, Int 24 is too low without Vehumet/wizardry. But I would not worry too much about it, Sif Muna protects you from miscasts.

[gammafunk]

I guess you meant to say that channel energy costs piety, not mana. Anyhow I'd recommend possibly putting on a faith amulet and simply using sif channel. You're already using |energy for hungerless spells, but even if |energy is only a swap, more spellcasting will minimize any hunger, and there is always necromutation if you want to go the hungerless route. You can continue to train some invocations, since the duration you get for channel scales linearly with invocations, so there will be a big difference in the total MP you gain per invocation with e.g. 15 invo (not that you need that much to ascend).

I was able to do a 15-runer firestormer/shatterer with no use of sublim or evocable channel of any kind using Sif channel alone for more MP, and this included completing a ziggurat. No MP/piety issues in the zig either.