YASD: Summoner vs Bees


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Lair Larrikin

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 17:10

YASD: Summoner vs Bees

Level 6 of the Dungeon, Deep elf Summoner.

The bees are faster than me and my summons. I consumed 2 scrolls of tele and 4 potions of curing, and yet didnt stand a chance.

I now know I shouldn't have engaged them, but is there a way to kill them? I am clueless, and would die again if I faced the same situation. The poisoning is too bad for my small health

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 17:12

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

Did you have your level 4 spell online? Lightning spire usually demolishes them.

Lair Larrikin

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 17:17

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

Sar wrote:Did you have your level 4 spell online? Lightning spire usually demolishes them.


I did. Should have summoned it. Buy wouldnt they have reached me anyway?

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 17:17

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

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Potions of lignification are pretty good against bees.

They have very low MR, so hex wands are great.

They can't see invisible and they are brainless, so stealth and invisibility work rather well.

Lightning spire takes care of bees fairly effectively. (Position it between yourself and the bees in a corridor!) Ice beasts are slightly worse, but still good enough.

If you don't have any of those, don't engage.

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 17:21

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

nacional100 wrote:Buy wouldnt they have reached me anyway?

Well, it one-two shots them if it hits. You have better chances if you cast it than if you don't, assuming your success rate is decent. Can you post your morgue?

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 17:21

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

There is no reliable way to kill a pack of killer bees in open terrain as Su without consumables (like scroll of immolation and potion of resistance) or god (like Chei).
In corridor you can try putting Lightning Spire between you and them, also add Guardian Golem if you have it and summon some small mammals just in case you need more time to cast Lightning Spire again.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 18:00

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

nacional100 wrote:I consumed 2 scrolls of tele and 4 potions of curing


Did the teleports land you within LOS of the bees, twice? If so, then that is some really bad luck, yeah. If not, then you should have just gone on to the next level after teleporting away (travel manually to nearest descending staircase so as to minimize chance of running into bees again). Early killer bee pack usually means skip level.

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 23:21

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

Bees aren't that dangerous...I play fucking felids and they are a non-issue generally. Just train your Stealth so you only wake up one or two at a time and use luring. Don't try to face a full pack of (anything) unless you can walk away (faster than them, haste; cBlink, etc.) [For that matter you were a summoner, being in melee range with anything, except say a rat, that early was probably a tactical mistake.] It was D:6, so you were what, XL 12-13? Yea shouldn't have been an issue. Use your tactics :)
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 23:26

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

bcadren wrote:It was D:6, so you were what, XL 12-13

w-what

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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 23:33

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

Sar wrote:
bcadren wrote:It was D:6, so you were what, XL 12-13

w-what
I'm looking at my records, 7-11 is more correct for an XP -1 race. depending on earlier portal vaults and uniques.
I'm beginning to feel like a Cat God! Felid streaks: {FeVM^Sif Muna, FeWn^Dithmenos, FeAr^Pakellas}, {FeEE^Ashenzari, FeEn^Gozag, FeNe^Sif Muna, FeAE^Vehumet...(ongoing)}
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 23:38

Re: YASD: Summoner vs Bees

I would assume XL 8 or 9 max at D:6...
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FeEE{HOIEMiAE}GrGlHuWrGnWrNaAKBaFi{MiDeMfDe}{DrAKTrAMGhEnGnWz}
{PaBeDjFi}OgAKPaCAGnCjOgCKMfAEAtCKSpCjDEEE{HOSu
Bloat: 17: RaRoPrPh{GuStGnCa}{ArEtZoNb}KiPaAnDrBXDBQOApDaMeAGBiOCNKAsFnFlUs{RoBoNeWi

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