Now YAVP : GrAs^Zin

[mopl]

Don't ask about the weird combo, GrAs was random, and Zin is a god I never play and wanted to know better...

First of all, am I doing with right with Zin use ?

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Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Invok: Recite            |       |       |     5 |     1 |    16 |    22 |     4 ||    48
       Vitalisation      |       |       |       |     1 |       |     1 |       ||     2
       Sanctuary         |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |       ||     2

I feel like Recite is kinda weak maybe it requires more Invocations skill ? How much do you usually train with Zin ?

I'll buy cloak of Thief as soon as I have the 700$ required.

Edit : for the first time in ages, I have food issues... Not intelligent corpses butchering + recite makes me hungry... I know I play too slowly... 60k turns isn't nice at this point of the game :p
Edit2 : No way to get a TLA with Zin ? I can't butcher at all troll corpses, the UI doesn't allow me to sin :p

Any advice appreciated about the current character...

Note : I entered the new Desolation vault but felt too weak for it... Didn't try too hard since I kinda want to win this char

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1320-g0178847 (webtiles) character file.

hypermopl the Unseen (Gargoyle Assassin)           Turns: 64308, Time: 03:26:19

Health: 120/120    AC: 37    Str: 21    XL:     19   Next: 34%
Magic:  28/28      EV: 18    Int: 15    God:    Zin [*****.]
Gold:   486        SH: 12    Dex: 20    Spells: 3 memorised, 11 levels left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    a - +6 long sword of the Walnut {slice, +Blink Int+2 SInv}
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    x - +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    c - +1 buckler {AC+3}
rPois  ∞          Spirit   .    h - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    d - +0 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  +    Y - +1 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR     ++...      Harm     .    L - +0 pair of boots
Stlth  ++++++....               f - +5 amulet of reflection
                                p - ring of protection from magic
                                l - +4 ring of protection

@: flying
A: big wings, negative energy resistance 1, electricity resistance, unbreathing,
petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +13
a: Stop Flying, Recite, Vitalisation, Imprison, Sanctuary, Donate Gold, Renounce
Religion, Evoke Blink
}: 1/15 runes: serpentine


You are on level 2 of the Elven Halls.
You worship Zin.
Zin is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 34 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ice Cave and Desolation.

You have collected 3243 gold pieces.
You have spent 2513 gold pieces at shops.
You have donated 244 gold pieces to Zin.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - the +6 long sword of the Walnut (weapon) {slice, +Blink Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you blink.
 b - a +0 dagger of electrocution
 z - a +5 blowgun
 H - a +0 scimitar of electrocution
 T - a +1 double sword of holy wrath
 V - a +0 scimitar of venom
Missiles
 k - 8 poisoned needles
 s - 9 curare-tipped needles
 t - 4 throwing nets
 u - 3 needles of paralysis
 v - 5 needles of sleeping
 w - 10 needles of confusion
 B - 41 tomahawks (quivered)
Armour
 c - a +1 buckler of protection (worn)
 d - a +0 cloak (worn)
 h - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
 x - the +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" (worn) {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It renders you almost immune to fire.
 L - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 N - a +1 robe of cold resistance
 O - a +1 robe of magic resistance
 Y - a +1 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
Jewellery
 f - a +5 amulet of reflection (around neck)
 l - a +4 ring of protection (left hand)
 p - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 C - the ring of Laokurph {AC+2 Dex+2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
 F - an uncursed ring of fire
 X - a dented sapphire amulet
Wands
 D - a wand of disintegration (13/24)
 J - a wand of digging (8/24)
 K - a wand of iceblast (9/15)
Scrolls
 i - a scroll of recharging
 j - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 n - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 r - 2 scrolls of fog
 y - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 P - a scroll of enchant weapon
 R - 2 scrolls of fear
 S - a scroll of enchant armour
 W - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 o - 4 potions of curing
 q - 6 potions of brilliance
 A - 2 potions of haste
 E - 2 potions of ambrosia
 G - 3 potions of cancellation
 M - 3 potions of resistance
 Q - a potion of invisibility
 U - 3 potions of might
 Z - 2 potions of agility
Miscellaneous
 e - a lamp of fire
 m - a fan of gales
 I - a sack of spiders
Comestibles
 g - 5 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 13.8 Fighting
 - Level 7.0(10.4) Short Blades
 * Level 11.9(12.6) Long Blades
 * Level 15.5 Throwing
 + Level 8.8 Dodging
 + Level 16.1 Stealth
 + Level 4.9 Shields
 - Level 3.0 Charms
 - Level 5.0 Transmutations
 - Level 3.0 Air Magic
 - Level 7.0 Earth Magic
 + Level 12.9 Invocations


You have 11 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #.......     75%         3    ####...
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #.......     21%         2    ###....
p - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      ###.......   8%          2    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:8
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (2/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:13
Depths: D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:10 :   D:11 (   Orc:1 *   Orc:2 }=[=   Shoals:1 (   Shoals:2 *
Shoals:3 [*!(   Snake:1 !*%

Portals:
Hell: Lair:6

Annotations:
D:13 exclusion: obsidian statue
D:15 exclusion: 3 rakshasas
Lair:3 1 runed door
Lair:5 exclusion: oklob plant
Shoals:1 exclusion: oklob plant
Shoals:2 exclusion: downstairs
Shoals:3 exclusions: kraken and 3 more exclusions
Shoals:4 bb, hard time, Ilsuiw, Polyphemus
Snake:3 cmut + immo
Snake:4 cmut
Elf:1 Azrael


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
Your stone body is resilient. (AC +13)
You are immune to poison.
Your large and strong wings let you fly indefinitely.
You resist negative energy. (rN+)
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.


Message History

The air elemental is severely damaged.
You block the air elemental's attack. x2
You hit the air elemental.
The air elemental is almost destroyed.
The air elemental barely misses you. You riposte.
You barely miss the air elemental.
The air elemental is almost destroyed.
The air elemental completely misses you.
You miss the air elemental.
The air elemental is almost destroyed.
You block the air elemental's attack. x2
Your ring mail "Etiakunta" prevents you from hitting the air elemental.
The air elemental is almost destroyed.
You block the air elemental's attack. x2
You miss the air elemental.
The air elemental is almost destroyed.
The air elemental completely misses you.
You riposte. You slash the air elemental!
You destroy the air elemental!
No target in view!

#..§§§.....§§§.#
#.#####...######
#.#   #§§§#
#.#   #§§§#
#.#   #§..#
#.#####...#####+
#.##.###.#.....#
#....##.....##.##
####.##.##@##  ...e
   #.##.##.#    ....
   #.......##    ###
   #........#
   #........##
   #.##+##....
  ##.#<..#...
  #..'...+....
  #..#...#


There are no monsters in sight!

[BabyRage]

With Zin I usually go for 27 invo. But I use him only in extended.

[VeryAngryFelid]

Recite does not cost any hunger (unless it was changed in trunk). I spam it in every battle, often immediately applying it again after getting "you get your breath back" which triggers "more" for me.
Stealth + Recite don't combine well, I would put all that Stealth XP into Invo.

Edit. Also you can stop training Shields and get long sword to min delay.

[4Hooves2Appendages]

Recite more, and get more Invo. In some parts of the game, like tomb, using vitalisation a lot is also good.

You could still get a TLA from a shop I guess.

I'd also stop training stealth, but would still go for getting invisibility.

A +6 long sword of slicing isn't very good. I wouldn't be surprised if you had to hit stuff a lot to kill it. I'd go with any decent branded great sword instead for now. And train more swords too!

[Airwolf]

Yeah, put as much XP into Invocations as you can afford and spam Recite. You also want Sanctuary reliable, which should be close. Vitalization might be less useful to a Gargoyle, since you have poison and rot immunity, but it's still a good boost.

The double sword should be the best weapon soon if not already. It's your endgame weapon. Dump all your ?ew into it. Consider rebranding it.

Use your ?ea on the gloves.

I think I'd stop training Stealth for a while.

16 Throwing is mindelay for javelins, which you don't have (Shoals?): definitely stop training Throwing. Don't forget that high throwing (16 is plenty, maybe 20 for extended) makes needles amazing---and they work on demons, including HellPanLords!---not undead, though. Enchant the blowgun after the double sword.

No more Shields until you're ready for a regular shield.

No Armour? 7ish should give +2 AC and a small boost to EV and spell success.

So, I think I'd train only LB to 16; then only Armour to 7ish; then Fighting, Dodging, and Invocations for the rest of the game, with a short detour for 16 Throwing; Shields if you find a good regular shield; Armour to 10--14 if you stay in ring mail, more if you change to heavier armour; and some spell skills.

This guy is strong. Don't forget Gargoyle's low HP (Sanctuary!) and go win!

[Airwolf]

In trunk, double swords do the same damage as great swords with less skill, higher accuracy, and allow a shield. Generally, double swords are better, but a great sword with a better brand might be an improvement over the double sword of holy wrath.

[arandomperson12]

Don't ask about the weird combo, GrAs was random, and Zin is a god I never play and wanted to know better...
I'll buy cloak of Thief as soon as I have the 700$ required.

Why do you want that? It gives -2 slay.

[Hellmonk]

Evocable fog is extremely good.

[Eyesburn]

for the first time in ages, I have food issues... Not intelligent corpses butchering + recite makes me hungry

Recite does not cost any hunger

and vitalisation gives some nutrition

[Airwolf]

for the first time in ages, I have food issues... Not intelligent corpses butchering + recite makes me hungry

Recite does not cost any hunger

and vitalisation gives some nutrition

I think that was removed.

[nago]

Yes it was removed

[mopl]

Quick updtae, I really feel more powerful right now ! I found awesome boots (+2, Inv, MR) that make most of the game cheesecake (+Gr of course), but do not help my foo issues :p

I just got enough gold to get this Thief cloak, it'll be the next improvement. With the new amulet I found in Elf, FDA seems to be the best suited armour for me... Hope I'll find a hide soon (or a bazaar )

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1365-gb34f4cb (webtiles) character file.

hypermopl the Bringer of Law (Gargoyle Assassin)   Turns: 74528, Time: 04:17:54

Health: 97/132     AC: 40    Str: 16    XL:     21   Next: 74%
Magic:  33/33      EV: 17    Int: 17    God:    Zin [******]
Gold:   1090       SH: 14    Dex: 21    Spells: 4 memorised, 12 levels left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    a - +9 double sword (elec)
rCold  + + +      Gourm    .    x - +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    L - +0 shield {reflect}
rPois  ∞          Spirit   .    h - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    d - +0 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  +    P - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR     +++..      Harm     .    V - +2 pair of boots of Etoahokk {+Inv MR+}
Stlth  ++++++....               S - amulet of Pautakis {Reflect rC+++ Str-5 Int+3 SH+4 SInv}
                                p - ring of protection from magic
                                l - +4 ring of protection

@: flying
A: big wings, negative energy resistance 1, electricity resistance, unbreathing,
petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +15
a: Stop Flying, Recite, Vitalisation, Imprison, Sanctuary, Donate Gold, Cure All
Mutations, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility
}: 2/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled


You are on level 2 of the Vaults.
You worship Zin.
Zin is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 37 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ice Cave and Desolation.

You have collected 4293 gold pieces.
You have spent 2887 gold pieces at shops.
You have donated 316 gold pieces to Zin.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 double sword of electrocution (weapon)
 b - a +0 dagger of electrocution
 z - a +6 blowgun
Missiles
 s - 9 curare-tipped needles
 t - 5 throwing nets
 u - 3 needles of paralysis
 v - 5 needles of sleeping
 w - 10 needles of confusion
 B - 11 tomahawks
 O - 17 javelins of penetration
 X - 26 poisoned javelins (quivered)
Armour
 d - a +0 cloak (worn)
 h - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
 x - the +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" (worn) {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It renders you almost immune to fire.
 F - a mottled dragon hide
 L - a +0 shield of reflection (worn)
 P - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 V - the +2 pair of boots of Etoahokk (worn) {+Inv MR+}
   (You acquired it on level 2 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
Jewellery
 c - a ring of protection from magic
 l - a +4 ring of protection (left hand)
 p - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 S - the amulet of Pautakis (around neck) {Reflect rC+++ Str-5 Int+3 SH+4 SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of reflection]
   
   It shields you and reflects attacks.
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It affects your SH (+4).
Wands
 C - a wand of lightning
 D - a wand of disintegration (13/24)
 J - a wand of digging (7/24)
 K - a wand of iceblast (9/15)
Scrolls
 i - 2 scrolls of holy word
 j - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
 n - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 r - 2 scrolls of fog
 y - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 H - 3 scrolls of blinking
 R - 2 scrolls of fear
 T - 4 scrolls of identify
 W - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 o - 4 potions of curing
 q - 6 potions of brilliance
 A - 3 potions of haste
 E - 2 potions of ambrosia
 G - 3 potions of cancellation
 M - 3 potions of resistance
 U - 3 potions of might
 Z - 2 potions of agility
Miscellaneous
 e - a lamp of fire
 k - a phantom mirror
 m - a fan of gales
 I - a sack of spiders
Comestibles
 f - 2 fruits
 g - 5 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 14.3 Fighting
 - Level 7.0(12.5) Short Blades
 - Level 16.0(16.4) Long Blades
 + Level 15.6 Throwing
 + Level 3.1 Armour
 + Level 10.2 Dodging
 - Level 16.1 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 3.0 Charms
 - Level 5.0 Transmutations
 - Level 3.0 Air Magic
 - Level 7.0 Earth Magic
 * Level 16.2 Invocations
 - Level 3.2 Evocations


You have 12 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #.........   98%         1    ##.....
b - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #.......     99%         3    ####...
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ##......     73%         2    ###....
p - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      ###.......   21%         2    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:8
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (2/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       
 Crypt: Vaults:2-3 

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:10 :   D:11 (   Orc:1 *   Orc:2 }=[=   Shoals:1 (   Shoals:2 *
Shoals:3 [*!(   Snake:1 !*%

Portals:
Hell: Lair:6

Annotations:
Shoals:4 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne
Snake:3 cmut + immo
Snake:4 cmut
Elf:1 Azrael


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
Your stone body is resilient. (AC +15)
You are immune to poison.
Your large and strong wings let you fly indefinitely.
You resist negative energy. (rN+)
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.


Message History

You block the orc priest's attack.
The orc knight hits you with a great mace!
You hit the orc knight.
The orc knight is severely wounded.
You block the orc's attack. You block the orc priest's attack.
You hit the orc knight.
The orc knight is severely wounded.
The orc knight hits you but does no damage.
The orc hits you but does no damage.
You closely miss the orc knight.
The orc knight is severely wounded.
The orc priest barely misses you. You block the orc's attack.
The orc knight closely misses you. You riposte. You slice the orc knight!!
You kill the orc knight!
You slice the orc priest!!
You kill the orc priest!
You slice the orc!!
You kill the orc!
No target in view!
No target in view!

#####+##
#......#
#......#
#......#
#......#
#..)@..#
#..)†).#
#......#
#......#
########


There are no monsters in sight!

[mopl]

Quick update, with a gear question.

I should probably be using this :

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the amulet "Yrruiwk" {Faith *Drain rPois rC+ MR+ Dex+2}

especially because I already have a reflection shield.Is it a good idea to change my body armour ?

I have the Moon TLA, but no rF swap, or I can enchant a FDhide somewhere, I have a bunch (10 ?) of ?EA... I'd lose the rC and have no swap, but it's probably the best idea... Then I don't know what to do next : Zot should be easy (+Inv and enough resists). I'm always scared about Vaults:5. I could consider Abyss and then some extended...

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1401-g902f63d (webtiles) character file.

hypermopl the Bringer of Law (Gargoyle Assassin)   Turns: 94699, Time: 05:52:29

Health: 168/168    AC: 49    Str: 17    XL:     26   Next: 90%
Magic:  37/37      EV: 20    Int: 17    God:    Zin [******]
Gold:   1788       SH: 25    Dex: 22    Spells: 6 memorised, 5 levels left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    a - +9 double sword (elec)
rCold  + + +      Gourm    .    x - +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    f - +2 large shield {reflect}
rPois  ∞          Spirit   .    h - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    Y - +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Slay-2 SInv Stlth+}
rCorr  .          Reflect  +    P - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR     +++..      Harm     .    V - +2 pair of boots of Etoahokk {+Inv MR+}
Stlth  +++++++...               S - amulet of Pautakis {Reflect rC+++ Str-5 Int+3 SH+4 SInv}
                                p - ring of protection from magic
                                l - +4 ring of protection

@: flying
A: big wings, negative energy resistance 1, electricity resistance, unbreathing,
petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +19
a: Stop Flying, Recite, Vitalisation, Imprison, Sanctuary, Donate Gold, Cure All
Mutations, Renounce Religion, Evoke Fog, Evoke Invisibility
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy


You are on level 5 of the Depths.
You worship Zin.
Zin is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 49 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ice Cave, Wizlab and Desolation.

You have collected 7682 gold pieces.
You have spent 5493 gold pieces at shops.
You have donated 401 gold pieces to Zin.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 double sword of electrocution (weapon)
 b - a +0 dagger of electrocution
 z - a +8 blowgun
Missiles
 s - 14 curare-tipped needles
 t - 4 throwing nets
 u - 7 needles of paralysis
 v - 17 needles of sleeping
 w - 14 needles of confusion
 F - 7 tomahawks of returning
 O - 16 javelins of penetration
 X - 23 poisoned javelins (quivered)
Armour
 c - the +4 moon troll leather armour {Spirit, Regen++ MP+5}
   (You took it off a moon troll in a wizard's laboratory)   
   
   It affects your magic capacity (+5).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 f - a +2 large shield of reflection (worn)
 h - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
 x - the +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" (worn) {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It renders you almost immune to fire.
 P - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 V - the +2 pair of boots of Etoahokk (worn) {+Inv MR+}
   (You acquired it on level 2 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 Y - the +2 cloak of the Thief (worn) {+Fog Slay-2 SInv Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (-2).
   It lets you see invisible.
   It can be evoked to emit clouds of fog.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Jewellery
 l - a +4 ring of protection (left hand)
 p - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 S - the amulet of Pautakis (around neck) {Reflect rC+++ Str-5 Int+3 SH+4 SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of reflection]
   
   It shields you and reflects attacks.
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It affects your SH (+4).
Wands
 D - a wand of disintegration (13/24)
 J - a wand of digging (6/24)
 K - a wand of iceblast (9/15)
 N - a wand of hasting (5/9)
Scrolls
 i - 4 scrolls of holy word
 j - 9 scrolls of magic mapping
 n - 10 scrolls of teleportation
 r - 2 scrolls of fog
 y - 17 scrolls of remove curse
 B - 2 scrolls of vulnerability
 H - 4 scrolls of blinking
 R - 5 scrolls of fear
 T - 14 scrolls of identify
 W - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 o - 7 potions of curing
 q - 6 potions of brilliance
 A - 3 potions of haste
 C - a potion of berserk rage {!q}
 E - 2 potions of ambrosia
 G - 5 potions of cancellation
 L - 2 potions of heal wounds
 M - 6 potions of resistance
 U - 3 potions of might
 Z - a potion of agility
Miscellaneous
 e - a lamp of fire
 k - a phantom mirror
 m - a fan of gales
 I - 2 sacks of spiders
 Q - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 d - a meat ration
 g - 6 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 18.1 Fighting
 - Level 7.0(12.5) Short Blades
 - Level 16.0(16.4) Long Blades
 + Level 17.9 Throwing
 - Level 10.0 Armour
 + Level 13.5 Dodging
 - Level 16.1 Stealth
 + Level 12.4 Shields
 - Level 3.0 Charms
 - Level 5.0 Transmutations
 - Level 3.0 Air Magic
 - Level 7.0 Earth Magic
 * Level 21.8 Invocations
 - Level 9.0 Evocations


You have 5 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #.........   99%         1    ##.....
b - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #.......     100%        3    ####...
i - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ##........   100%        6    #######
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ##......     83%         2    ###....
p - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      ###.......   24%         2    ###....
H - Haste                 Chrm           ##......     100%        6    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:8
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (5/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (5/5) D:15            Zot (0/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:10 :   D:11 (   Orc:1 *   Orc:2 }=[=   Shoals:1 (   Shoals:2 *
Shoals:3 [*!(   Snake:1 !*%   Vaults:3 *   Depths:4 %![*

Portals:
Hell: Lair:6 Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:3

Annotations:
Shoals:4 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne
Snake:3 cmut + immo
Snake:4 cmut
Elf:1 Azrael
Depths:4 fooood


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
Your stone body is resilient. (AC +19)
You are immune to poison.
Your large and strong wings let you fly indefinitely.
You resist negative energy. (rN+)
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.


Message History

an arbalest; 27 bolts
You see here a bolt.
There is an open door here.
Found a dire flail.
The giant orange brain turns its gaze towards you.
You slice the giant orange brain!!
The giant orange brain is moderately wounded.
You slice the giant orange brain!! There is a sudden explosion of sparks!
You kill the giant orange brain!
No target in view!
No target in view!
You see here a dire flail.
There is an open door here.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Done exploring.
Search for what [Enter for "ring && jew", or ? for help]? faith
Unknown command.
Search for what [Enter for "faith", or ? for help]?
Unknown command.

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       #.).##..∩..##..###.#≈≈#...
       #.#..##...##..## #.####...
       #.##..##.##..##  #........
       #......#'#..##   #.......#
       ####.#.....##    #.......#
#         #.#..##########.......#
#         #..................###.
#         ######@###.#....###....
#              #..#..#.###.......
#              ##.#.#............
                #...#.....#######
                #..#....#.#
                ##....##..#
                 #####...##
                   #...###
                   #####


There are no monsters in sight!

[4Hooves2Appendages]

Faith is really strong, especially on Zin. On the other hand rF+++ and rC+++ turn many moderate threats into jokes. Your defences are very good, but you could do with a bit more health.

You don't really have to be afraid of anything right now, perhaps except paralysis in a bad spot. Anytime you feel remotely threatened, just sanctuary. When your piety drops too far, donate gold to Zin. Repeat.

If you are mainly concerned with winning then just grab the orb now. Otherwise I might start with V:5, then Crypt/Tomb.

I'd try to get at least apportation, swiftness and RMsl castable. Shouldn't take too much XP in ringmail with 17 Int. For extended I would probably get a bit more fighting, then get haste castable. You don't really need anything else. For a Gr, getting LRD/passwall can be good for ninjaing runes!

[Airwolf]

There's a ton of XP in Zot. You could do a few levels then decide on what's next.

[mopl]

  Code:

You are not zealous enough to affect this audience!

When I try to Recite to an OoF ! I have 22.7 Invoc, does this mean that I have not enough Invoc, or just OoF can't be recited to ?

[Shard1697]

I think that would mean it can't be recited to(at least, I think that you can always try to affect things with recite even if their HD is high enough that your chances are bad, as long as they fall into one of the categories of things vulnerable to recite), but I may be wrong.

[BabyRage]

I think you should be able to recite OOF, they have human intelligence. If there's nothing around that can be recited you get another message, "there is no audience" or something like that.

[mopl]

Here's the x-v of the OoF :

An orb of fire.
A globe of raw primordial fire, capable of impressive pyrotechnics, and of
twisting the very flesh of creatures who come into its ken.

AC ++++....
EV ++++..
MR ∞
It looks extremely dangerous.
It is immune to electricity, poison, fire and negative energy; and resistant to
cold.
It can see invisible.
It is fast.
It can fly.
It is very small.

It possesses the following magical abilities, which are affected by antimagic:
a - Bolt of Fire c - Fireball
b - Malmutate
To read a description, press the key listed above.
It is intelligent.
It is vulnerable to silver and hated by Zin.
It is too strong to be recited to.

FYI, I have 6* piety...

[4Hooves2Appendages]

Some stuff about recite:

According to the code

  Code:

    // Resistance is now based on HD.
    // You can affect up to (x+y)/2 = 30 'power' (HD).

x is linked to skill, max 30, at 27 skill invocations.
y is linked to piety, max 30, at 200 piety.

At 22.7 invo, and 6*(160-200), you have between 24.5 and 28 power.

The description compares HD against power.

  Code:

If   (HD - power >= 0),  is too strong...
Else (HD - power >= -5), may be too strong...
Else (HD - power < 5),   is weak enough...

Now the problem is that at full power HD - power = 0. So that should return 'too strong', even though the code comment says up to 30 HD can be affected. But that's just the description.

If I read the code correctly, monster resistance is HD + 1D6 - 1. If power is at least equal then recite works. So for an OoF you have a 1/6 chance at maximum power.

Those are not exactly reliable odds, especially because you can't really know you've got 200 piety.

Any corrections are welcome!

[mopl]

Thanks for this great explanation ! I feel like Recite needs a LOT of Invocations to be good, but becomes finally VERY powerful (salt statues, paralyze, ...).

I finally got 2 more runes and went for a win. This Gr had really all needed for extended (I love needle-stab in extended), but I lost two 15-runers recently in the Orbrun and already spent too much time on this character. Here's the dump !

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1468-ge013c26 (webtiles) character file.

2413214 hypermopl the Bringer of Law (level 27, 182/182 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Assassin on Aug 31, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Zin.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 5 runes on Sept 7, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 07:03:39 (112636 turns).

hypermopl the Bringer of Law (Gargoyle Assassin)  Turns: 112636, Time: 07:03:40

Health: 182/182    AC: 52    Str: 17    XL:     27
Magic:  40/40      EV: 24    Int: 22    God:    Zin [******]
Gold:   2192       SH: 33    Dex: 23    Spells: 7 memorised, 1 level left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    a - +9 double sword (elec)
rCold  + + +      Gourm    .    x - +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    f - +8 large shield {reflect}
rPois  ∞          Spirit   .    h - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    Y - +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Slay-2 SInv Stlth+}
rCorr  .          Reflect  +    P - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR     ++++.      Harm     .    V - +2 pair of boots of Etoahokk {+Inv MR+}
Stlth  +++.......               S - amulet of Pautakis {Reflect rC+++ Str-5 Int+3 SH+4 SInv}
                                p - ring of protection from magic
                                l - +4 ring of protection

@: brilliant
A: big wings, deterioration 1, negative energy resistance 1, electricity
resistance, unbreathing, petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +20
a: Fly, Recite, Vitalisation, Imprison, Sanctuary, Donate Gold, Cure All
Mutations, Renounce Religion, Evoke Fog, Evoke Invisibility
0: Orb of Zot
}: 5/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, abyssal


You escaped.
You worshipped Zin.
Zin was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 55 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You also visited: Ice Cave, Wizlab and Desolation.

You collected 9151 gold pieces.
You spent 6487 gold pieces at shops.
You donated 472 gold pieces to Zin.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 double sword of electrocution (weapon)
 b - a +1 dagger of electrocution
 z - a +9 blowgun
 K - the +14 plutonium sword {*Contam Stlth-}
   (You took it off a yaktaur captain on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   It causes magical contamination when unequipped.
   It makes you less stealthy.
   
   Zin disapproves of the use of such an item.
Missiles
 t - 10 throwing nets (quivered)
 u - 7 needles of paralysis
 v - 25 needles of sleeping
 w - 29 needles of confusion
 F - 14 curare-tipped needles
 O - 16 javelins of penetration
 X - 38 poisoned javelins
Armour
 d - the +4 moon troll leather armour {Spirit, Regen++ MP+5}
   (You took it off a moon troll in a wizard's laboratory)   
   
   It affects your magic capacity (+5).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 f - a +8 large shield of reflection (worn)
 h - a +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
 x - the +5 ring mail "Etiakunta" (worn) {rF+++ Str+4 Int-2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It renders you almost immune to fire.
 P - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 V - the +2 pair of boots of Etoahokk (worn) {+Inv MR+}
   (You acquired it on level 2 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 Y - the +2 cloak of the Thief (worn) {+Fog Slay-2 SInv Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (-2).
   It lets you see invisible.
   It can be evoked to emit clouds of fog.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Jewellery
 l - a +4 ring of protection (left hand)
 p - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 S - the amulet of Pautakis (around neck) {Reflect rC+++ Str-5 Int+3 SH+4 SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of reflection]
   
   It shields you and reflects attacks.
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It affects your SH (+4).
 T - the amulet "Yrruiwk" {Faith *Drain rPois rC+ MR+ Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [amulet of faith]
   
   It allows you to gain divine favour quickly.
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It causes draining when unequipped.
Wands
 s - a wand of teleportation (3/9)
 D - a wand of disintegration (12/24)
 J - a wand of digging (6/24)
 N - a wand of hasting (7/9)
Scrolls
 g - 3 scrolls of recharging
 i - 5 scrolls of holy word
 j - 9 scrolls of magic mapping
 n - 11 scrolls of teleportation
 r - 3 scrolls of fog
 y - 25 scrolls of remove curse
 B - 2 scrolls of vulnerability
 H - 3 scrolls of blinking
 R - 5 scrolls of fear
 W - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 o - 14 potions of curing
 q - 5 potions of brilliance
 A - 4 potions of haste
 C - a potion of berserk rage {!q}
 E - 4 potions of ambrosia
 G - 9 potions of cancellation
 L - 3 potions of heal wounds
 M - 6 potions of resistance
 U - 2 potions of might
 Z - a potion of agility
Miscellaneous
 e - a lamp of fire
 k - a phantom mirror
 m - a fan of gales
 I - 2 sacks of spiders
 Q - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 c - 27 meat rations


   Skills:
 + Level 21.1 Fighting
 - Level 7.0(12.5) Short Blades
 - Level 16.0(16.4) Long Blades
 * Level 20.8 Throwing
 + Level 13.2 Armour
 + Level 16.2 Dodging
 - Level 16.1 Stealth
 + Level 17.0 Shields
 - Level 3.0 Charms
 - Level 5.0 Transmutations
 - Level 3.0 Air Magic
 - Level 7.0 Earth Magic
 * Level 26.2 Invocations
 - Level 9.0 Evocations


You had one spell level left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           ##........   13%         1    ##.....
b - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       ###.....     24%         3    ####...
i - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ####......   98%         6    #######
k - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           #####.....   22%         5    ######.
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ####....     4%          2    ###....
p - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #####.....   1%          2    ###....
H - Haste                 Chrm           ####....     98%         6    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (6/6) D:8
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (5/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (5/5) D:15            Zot (5/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:10 :   D:11 (   Orc:1 *   Orc:2 }=[=   Shoals:1 (   Shoals:2 *
Shoals:3 [*!(   Snake:1 !*%   Vaults:3 *   Depths:4 %![*

Portals:
Hell: Lair:6 Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:3

Annotations:
Shoals:4 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne
Snake:3 cmut + immo
Snake:4 cmut
Elf:1 Azrael
Depths:4 fooood
Zot:2 rF ring


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
Your stone body is resilient. (AC +20)
You are immune to poison.
Your large and strong wings let you fly indefinitely.
You resist negative energy. (rN+)
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.
Your body sometimes deteriorates upon taking damage.


Message History

You block the rust devil's attack.
You begin to meditate on the wall. You continue meditating on the rock.
You block the rust devil's attack.
You continue meditating on the rock.
You block the rust devil's attack.
You finish merging with the rock.
Unknown command.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Evoke which item? (* to show all) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Zapping: J - a wand of digging (7/24)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line
The rock shatters into small pieces. This wand has 6 charges left.
You see here 14 arrows.
You see here a dagger.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
You have escaped!

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There were no monsters in sight!


[VeryAngryFelid]

I think that would mean it can't be recited to(at least, I think that you can always try to affect things with recite even if their HD is high enough that your chances are bad, as long as they fall into one of the categories of things vulnerable to recite), but I may be wrong.

You are not allowed to recite if all monsters have too high HD to be affected with your current Invocation/piety.

[Airwolf]

The Invocations title gives extra style points!