YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Sunday, 28th August 2016, 19:24 by Odds

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-48-g4cf74bf (webtiles) character file. 98007 Odds the Sharpshooter (level 16, -1/101 HPs) Began as a Kobold Arcane Marksman on Aug 28, 2016. Was the Champion of Okawaru. Slain by Asterion ... wielding a +2 demon blade of draining (26 damage) ... on level 1 of the Snake Pit. The game lasted 01:49:30 (33202 turns). Odds the Sharpshooter (Kobold Arcane Marksman) Turns: 33202, Time: 01:49:31 Health: -1/101 AC: 18 Str: 13 XL: 16 Next: 71% Magic: 0/25 EV: 30 Int: 11 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 1423 SH: 0 Dex: 19 Spells: 10 memorised, 2 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . y - +8 triple crossbow (flame) rCold + . . Gourm . c - +1 robe of the Gate {rF+ MR+ Stlth+} rNeg . . . Faith . (shield currently unavailable) rPois + Spirit + S - +1 hat rElec . Dismiss . M - +2 cloak {MR+} rCorr . Reflect . i - +1 pair of gloves "Lecliefa" {rC+} SustAt . Harm . W - +2 pair of boots {run} MR +++.. I - amulet of guardian spirit Stlth +++++..... a - ring of poison resistance s - +4 ring of protection @: heroism, heavily drained, quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: carnivore 3 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You were on level 1 of the Snake Pit. You worshipped Okawaru. Okawaru was exalted by your worship. You were not hungry. You visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and saw 27 of its levels. You also visited: Ossuary. You collected 2144 gold pieces. You spent 721 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons y - a +8 triple crossbow of flaming (weapon) Missiles F - 184 bolts (quivered) Armour c - the +1 robe of the Gate (worn) {rF+ MR+ Stlth+} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) It protects you from fire. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It makes you more stealthy. i - the +1 pair of gloves "Lecliefa" (worn) {rC+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from cold. M - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn) S - a +1 hat (worn) W - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn) Jewellery a - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) m - an uncursed ring of see invisible o - an uncursed ring of protection from magic s - a +4 ring of protection (left hand) x - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion I - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck) L - a +3 ring of strength P - an uncursed amulet of regeneration {unknown} Q - an uncursed ring of flight X - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes Wands g - a wand of paralysis (6/24) Scrolls l - 26 scrolls of remove curse r - 3 scrolls of teleportation v - 2 scrolls of magic mapping A - 6 scrolls of fog B - 4 scrolls of amnesia E - 7 scrolls of recharging N - a scroll of silence O - a scroll of fear U - a scroll of enchant armour Potions e - 3 potions of resistance h - 6 potions of might j - 3 potions of mutation n - 10 potions of curing p - 5 potions of magic q - a potion of agility {unknown} t - 3 potions of invisibility w - 4 potions of heal wounds z - 2 potions of brilliance C - a potion of cure mutation {unknown} H - 2 potions of flight {unknown} J - a potion of experience {unknown} K - a potion of beneficial mutation {unknown} V - 5 potions of cancellation {unknown} Y - a potion of haste {unknown} Books Z - a book of Geomancy Spells Type Level a - Sandblast Earth 1 b - Passwall Transmutation/Earth 2 c - Stone Arrow Conjuration/Earth 3 d - Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 e - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5 Comestibles b - a royal jelly f - 16 meat rations u - 6 beef jerkies D - 4 slices of pizza Skills: + Level 11.8(14.9) Fighting Level 6.0(9.4) Maces & Flails * Level 17.9(20.7) Crossbows + Level 6.0(9.3) Armour + Level 13.2(16.2) Dodging - Level 3.0(6.4) Stealth - Level 6.0(4.5) Spellcasting - Level 9.2(7.6) Hexes - Level 3.1(1.8) Charms + Level 2.1(0.8) Translocations - Level 1.4(0.1) Air Magic - Level 4.4(3.0) Earth Magic - Level 10.2(8.6) Invocations You had 2 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ###.... 1% 1 #...... b - Slow Hex ###..... 1% 2 ##..... c - Inner Flame Hex/Fire ##...... 17% 3 ###.... d - Cause Fear Hex ###....... 12% 4 #####.. e - Spectral Weapon Hex/Chrm ##...... 12% 3 ###.... f - Leda's Liquefaction Hex/Erth ##........ 30% 4 #####.. g - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #......... 47% 3 ###.... h - Apportation Tloc #......... 21% 1 #...... i - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #..... 24% 2 ##..... j - Blink Tloc N/A 30% 2 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (0/4) Lair:3 Snake (1/4) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Orc (2/2) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:2 Vaults (0/5) D:14 Depths (0/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:9 [ Orc:1 * Orc:2 =[(} Annotations: Lair:8 exclusion: door Snake:1 Asterion Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are small and have problems with some larger weapons. You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time. Message History Unknown command. Firing (i - inventory): F - 186 bolts (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - Asterion Aim: Asterion, wielding a demon blade of draining, wearing a chain mail and wearing a shield (lightly wounded, fast) You shoot a bolt. The bolt hits Asterion but does no damage. Asterion is lightly wounded. Asterion barely misses you. x2 Unknown command. Firing (i - inventory): F - 185 bolts (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - Asterion Aim: Asterion, wielding a demon blade of draining, wearing a chain mail and wearing a shield (lightly wounded, fast) You shoot a bolt. The bolt hits Asterion!! The bolt burns Asterion. Asterion is moderately wounded. Asterion hits you with a demon blade of draining!!! You feel drained. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Asterion completely misses you. Asterion hits you with a demon blade of draining!! You die... #......# #......# #......# #......# #......#.# #......#.# #......#.# #####..#.# ##@#.# #H#.# #(#.# #N..# ##..# #..# +......>....N# #######.###### ... You could see Asterion, a naga and a spectral demon blade of draining. Vanquished Creatures Rupert (Orc:1) A fire giant (D:15) Maud (D:11) Azrael (D:13) A dire elephant (Lair:8) Snorg (Lair:7) The ghost of Elbereth the Carver, a journeyman DgAr (Orc:2) 4 centaur warriors 12 hydras Harold (Lair:2) A catoblepas (Lair:6) An anaconda (Snake:1) 6 orc high priests (Orc:2) 4 death yaks A shock serpent (Snake:1) 5 skeletal warriors (D:12) 2 unseen horrors 3 hill giants The ghost of KeyboardFire the Protected, a novice MiFi (D:10) Pikel (D:7) A wizard (Lair:8) A deep elf mage (D:13) 4 orc knights (Orc:2) 8 ugly things An orc sorcerer (Orc:1) 3 griffons 4 slime creatures (D:15) 2 cyclopes 13 elephants 8 black mambas 14 spiny frogs 3 rime drakes A yaktaur (D:11) 10 komodo dragons A freezing wraith (D:14) 6 trolls A merfolk (D:10) 2 polar bears 3 two-headed ogres 13 blink frogs A boulder beetle (Lair:6) 48 yaks A wraith (D:14) Grum (D:10) 5 wyverns A hog (shapeshifter) (D:13) 3 fire elementals (D:12) 7 basilisks 6 hippogriffs A steam dragon (D:11) 4 hungry ghosts 3 mottled dragons 3 nagas (Lair:3) 2 wargs (Orc:1) 20 water moccasins 4 hell hounds 13 porcupines 2 soldier ants A slave (D:6) 44 orc warriors 4 sky beasts A swamp drake (Lair:3) 12 ice beasts A necrophage (D:12) A wasp (D:15) 18 ogres 7 wolves 4 phantoms 14 centaurs 14 crocodiles 26 giant frogs A gnoll sergeant (D:10) 2 wyvern zombies 6 scorpions 9 killer bees 4 electric eels (Lair:6) 12 wights 2 giant frog zombies A howler monkey (D:6) 8 crimson imps A human zombie (Ossuary) 3 quasits 7 hounds 5 centaur zombies 4 jellies 11 centaur skeletons Crazy Yiuf (D:4) 31 orc priests Terence (D:2) 15 iguanas 27 orc wizards 13 worker ants 13 sheep 2 big kobold zombies (Ossuary) A hound zombie (Ossuary) 3 hound skeletons 3 mummies (Ossuary) 10 adders 4 gnolls (D:10) 43 river rats 4 shadow imps 2 oozes 6 adder zombies (Ossuary) 5 worms 2 dart slugs (D:1) 11 giant geckos 78 orcs 7 bats 5 giant cockroaches 2 gnoll zombies (D:8) 5 goblins 8 hobgoblins 4 kobolds 9 quokkas 5 ball pythons A giant gecko skeleton (D:4) 5 giant newts 3 goblin zombies 4 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) A jackal skeleton (D:5) 3 jackal zombies (Ossuary) 4 kobold zombies (Ossuary) 3 orc zombies (Ossuary) A quokka skeleton (D:5) 5 quokka zombies (Ossuary) 7 rats 3 rat zombies 856 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An unseen horror (D:13) A slave (D:7) A hound (D:7) A hound zombie (D:7) A shadow imp (D:7) A giant gecko (D:1) 16 fungi 7 plants 29 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 885 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Odds the Kobold Arcane Marksman began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 2/2 121 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/16 MP: 3/3 189 | D:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Crossbows 456 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 540 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 20/20 MP: 4/4 943 | D:2 | Noticed Terence 956 | D:2 | Killed Terence 956 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 13/26 MP: 3/6 1496 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Crossbows 1742 | D:2 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 19/30 MP: 4/7 1871 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Inner Flame 1998 | D:3 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 2347 | D:3 | Found an oddly glowing altar of Pakellas. 2615 | D:3 | Found a faded altar to an unknown god. 3165 | D:3 | Noticed a phantom 3194 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 3457 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3465 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3610 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 3815 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/35 MP: 9/9 4123 | D:4 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 4134 | D:4 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 4134 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Crossbows 4437 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 4771 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4817 | D:5 | Noticed an ogre 4829 | D:5 | Killed an ogre 4829 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 15/40 MP: 10/10 4995 | D:5 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 5009 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 5416 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 6 in Crossbows 5440 | Ossuary | Learned a level 4 spell: Cause Fear 5540 | D:5 | Reached * piety under Okawaru 5755 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 46/46 MP: 9/12 6214 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Crossbows 6493 | D:5 | Reached ** piety under Okawaru 6836 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6897 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/52 MP: 14/14 7432 | D:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Crossbows 7582 | D:6 | Reached *** piety under Okawaru 7733 | D:7 | Noticed Pikel 7961 | D:7 | Killed Pikel 7961 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 7961 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 8082 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Crossbows 8396 | D:7 | Reached **** piety under Okawaru 8396 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 59/59 MP: 14/16 8714 | D:7 | Learned a level 3 spell: Spectral Weapon 8890 | D:7 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 8890 | D:7 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 9314 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 9506 | D:8 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 9556 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Crossbows 9561 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 9924 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 9967 | D:8 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 10219 | D:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 10763 | D:9 | Found Muor's Antique Armour Emporium. 10776 | D:9 | Bought an embroidered cloak for 130 gold pieces 10819 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 10936 | D:9 | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru 11362 | D:9 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 11536 | D:9 | Received a gift from Okawaru 11686 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11686 | D:10 | Noticed Grum 11747 | D:10 | Noticed KeyboardFire's ghost (novice MiFi) 12034 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 12052 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 59/64 MP: 19/19 12138 | D:10 | Noticed a green ugly thing 12183 | D:10 | Killed a green ugly thing 12233 | D:10 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 12382 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12727 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 12727 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 11 in Crossbows 12835 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 13276 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 13430 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14277 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14311 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14346 | Lair:2 | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru 14713 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 59/72 MP: 21/21 14812 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 15089 | Lair:2 | Noticed Harold 15100 | Lair:2 | Killed Harold 15100 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 15100 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Crossbows 15498 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 15612 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 16082 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 16256 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 16397 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 16579 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 13 in Crossbows 16727 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 16734 | Lair:3 | Identified a +2 pair of boots of running (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 17007 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 72/79 MP: 22/22 17436 | Lair:3 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 17441 | Lair:3 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 17867 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 18322 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 14 in Crossbows 18931 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru 19268 | Lair:5 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 19275 | Lair:5 | Killed a six-headed hydra 19582 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 20580 | Lair:6 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 20611 | Lair:6 | Killed a six-headed hydra 20940 | Lair:6 | Noticed a catoblepas 20947 | Lair:6 | Killed a catoblepas 20947 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 86/86 MP: 23/23 21269 | Lair:7 | Noticed Snorg 21272 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Okawaru 21283 | Lair:7 | Killed Snorg 21363 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Okawaru 21384 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Crossbows 21587 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 21684 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Okawaru 22367 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 22892 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 23180 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 23256 | Lair:8 | Noticed a dire elephant 23275 | Lair:8 | Killed a dire elephant 23275 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 23276 | Lair:8 | Got an encrusted arbalest {god gift} 23277 | Lair:8 | Identified the +7 arbalest of Dismemberment {velocity, Str+4 Stlth+} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 23637 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 16 in Crossbows 23698 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Leda's Liquefaction 23705 | D:8 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 23728 | D:10 | Killed Grum 23797 | D:10 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 82/93 MP: 24/24 23827 | D:10 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 23934 | D:10 | Found an oddly glowing altar of Pakellas. 23939 | D:10 | Got a wizard robe 23950 | D:10 | Identified the +1 robe of the Gate {rF+ MR+ Stlth+} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) 24153 | D:10 | Killed KeyboardFire's ghost 24182 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic 24405 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 24418 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 24616 | Orc:1 | Found Soukag's Assorted Antiques. 24628 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of identify for 54 gold pieces 24628 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll labeled VAEKAR GIYTAVI for 27 gold pieces 24628 | Orc:1 | Bought a golden potion for 24 gold pieces 24628 | Orc:1 | Bought 2 sapphire potions for 48 gold pieces 24679 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 24679 | Orc:2 | Noticed Rupert 24679 | Orc:2 | Noticed Elbereth's ghost (journeyman DgAr) 25159 | Orc:2 | Killed Elbereth's ghost 25182 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 25693 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 26384 | Orc:1 | Killed Rupert 27101 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 27621 | Orc:2 | Found Ipsumiw's Antique Armour Boutique. 27621 | Orc:2 | Found Gyrph's Jewellery Boutique. 27622 | Orc:2 | Found Bumov's Gadget Boutique. 27622 | Orc:2 | Found Uproiw's Antique Weapon Shop. 27630 | Orc:2 | Bought a pair of translucent gloves for 218 gold pieces 27644 | Orc:2 | Identified the +1 pair of gloves "Lecliefa" {rC+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) 28411 | D:11 | Noticed Maud 28423 | D:11 | Killed Maud 29035 | D:12 | Reached skill level 17 in Crossbows 29132 | D:12 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 74/100 MP: 17/25 29644 | D:12 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 29673 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 30268 | D:12 | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth 30388 | D:13 | Noticed Azrael 30401 | D:13 | Killed Azrael 30608 | D:13 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation 30926 | D:13 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 30929 | D:13 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 31096 | D:14 | Received a gift from Okawaru 31151 | D:14 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 31200 | D:14 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 31477 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 31682 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 31723 | D:15 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 31753 | D:15 | Noticed a fire giant 31765 | D:15 | Killed a fire giant 31767 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 32869 | Orc:2 | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 220 gold pieces 33038 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 33059 | Snake:1 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 33132 | Snake:1 | Noticed Asterion 33202 | Snake:1 | Slain by Asterion Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 | ---------------+-------------------------------------------------+----- Crossbows | 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 13 14 16 17 | 17.9 Dodging | 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 | 13.2 Fighting | 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | 11.8 Spellcasting | 2 3 4 5 6 | 6.0 Maces & Flails | 1 2 3 4 5 6 | 6.0 Hexes | 4 5 6 8 9 | 9.2 Charms | 2 3 | 3.1 Invocations | 1 4 5 7 8 9 10 | 10.2 Armour | 1 4 5 6 | 6.0 Earth Magic | 3 4 | 4.4 Stealth | 3 | 3.0 Air Magic | 1 | 1.4 Translocations | 2 | 2.1 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Whip | 19 | 142 | 49 | 338 | | || 548 Mace | | 29 | 488 | | | || 517 Hand crossbow | | | | 1 | | || 1 Fire: Hand crossbow | 65 | 67 | 29 | 228 | | || 389 Arbalest | | | | 282 | 1174 | 268 || 1724 Triple crossbow | | | | | 30 | 85 || 115 Cast: Corona | 1 | 7 | 31 | 31 | | || 70 Slow | | 3 | 19 | 21 | | || 43 Cause Fear | | | 1 | 5 | 5 | 2 || 13 Repel Missiles | | | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Heroism | | | | 5 | 11 | 2 || 18 Evoke: Wand | | | 4 | | | || 4 Use: Scroll | 5 | 10 | 8 | 5 | 6 | 4 || 38 Potion | | 1 | 3 | 1 | | 1 || 6 Stab: Sleeping | | 4 | 2 | 1 | | || 7 Distracted | | 1 | | | | || 1 Invisible | | | 4 | | | || 4 Eat: Chunk | 8 | 13 | 15 | 30 | 39 | 6 || 111 Armor: Leather armour | 8 | 49 | 224 | 114 | 56 | || 451 Robe | | | | | 28 | 46 || 74 Dodge: Dodged | 35 | 148 | 565 | 521 | 570 | 203 || 2042 Deflected | | | | | | 2 || 2

Killed from full health by Asterion in one turn. Brutal stuff. I don't think he's ever troubled me before, so I didn't take sensible precautions. Pity, it was all going very nicely.

This game reminded me of the things I dislike about ranged combat.
1) Early game ammo limitations. You pretty much have to pick up a crappy melee weapon and spend many, many turns hitting things with it. That's boring, and also spoiler-y, because you have to know very precisely what you can afford to hit with the crappy melee weapon.
2) Having to either autoexplore, or spend forever picking up ammo. Since I started paying a tiny bit of attention to turn counts, I don't really like autoexplore.
I'm not sure I can see any way in which the game would be worse if there was infinite ammo.

Monday, 29th August 2016, 20:06 by and into

Rough death. My condolences.

Infinite ammo eliminates any drawback to ranged combat. "Ammo always mulches" would also solve the ammo pickup issue. (Number of bolts/arrows/etc. generated can be tweaked alongside this change, obviously.)

Monday, 29th August 2016, 20:32 by Odds

and into wrote:Infinite ammo eliminates any drawback to ranged combat.

"Ammo always mulches" would also solve the ammo pickup issue. (Number of bolts/arrows/etc. generated can be tweaked alongside this change, obviously.)

I feel that when ammo is meaningfully finite it's mostly annoying because of weapon switching. To play the finite ammo section of the game well, you need to know exactly what is dangerous, wield your bow all the time, and swap to a low-skill melee weapon for all trivial fights. I also don't think finite ammo is that much of a drawback for ranged, played in that way - a minimal melee investment and some tedium makes ammo a non-issue after the early game. If the problem is ranged being overpowered, surely that can be solved in a less uncontrolled and annoying way, such as:
1) Reducing damage from ranged attacks.
2) Needing mulching missiles to deal *lots* of damage - but for popcorn you can just blast away with standard arrows.
3) Reducing damage from ranged attacks against things in melee range, or having ranged attacks be interruptable by creatures in melee range (which seems somewhat realistic!).
4) Reducing damage from ranged attacks against things far away.
5) Making ranged attacks slower.

Always mulching solves the pickup issues - and I think would be an improvement - but doesn't solve what I see as the core problem with ranged fighting.

Monday, 29th August 2016, 21:08 by and into

If one feels that switching weapons is tedious, then there would have to be rather more drastic changes to the game than anything we are talking about here.

(As for my own view, I don't think it is "tedious" exactly but I do not like jewelry/weapon swapping and would actually prefer it if they eventually were removed, fwiw. The dev team appears to be moving in a different direction: weapons and rings can be swapped quickly, amulets can be swapped quickly but you do not usually want to do so, other equipment takes a while to remove/change.)

Ranged combat is arguably OP, but that's not quite the issue I was raising. At any rate, it seems to me that your proposed changes would make ranged combat more annoying. They would encourage more weapon swapping or (with #2) 'q'uiver changes in the middle of combat.

I do think there may be bigger problems with ranged combat, but it seems to me that if we are going to keep it, then it makes sense to try to balance it in the context of ammo always mulching, and scarcity of ammo being at least potentially a consideration.

Monday, 29th August 2016, 21:32 by Odds

Fair enough. Those ideas are pretty off the cuff, and I'm sure there's something wrong with some or all of them, but I feel there must be something better than the current system. Or it may be that I'm just unusual in hating ammo management, in which case I'll just not play ranged characters (after I've won a damn Arcane Marksman). It's a rare aspect of Crawl which I don't think provides any interesting challenges, only micromanagement problems I don't really want to deal with.

Monday, 29th August 2016, 21:38 by and into

Oh, I agree, it might be very hard to make ammo management fun, and I don't like ranged combat very much overall for reasons similar to yours.

But if there is any niche in current design space that ranged combat occupies, then it is, "limited use based on ammo drops." If you take that away, I have a hard time seeing how you can justify its continued existence in the game. (But I freely admit that I might just be unimaginative

)

Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 00:13 by amalloy

Actually it wasn't in one turn. You were at full health (101), and then he hit you two times in a single turn (because of haste), bringing you down to 66. Then you shot him again, and he missed you twice, then you shot him again, and he hit you two more times, killing you. Also your attack delay was at 1.1 turns with the crossbow, so you actually had a full 3.3 turns between being at full health and being dead. Not a huge amount of time, but definitely not being oneshot from 100HP.

Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 06:11 by Odds

amalloy wrote:Actually it wasn't in one turn. You were at full health (101), and then he hit you two times in a single turn (because of haste), bringing you down to 66. Then you shot him again, and he missed you twice, then you shot him again, and he hit you two more times, killing you. Also your attack delay was at 1.1 turns with the crossbow, so you actually had a full 3.3 turns between being at full health and being dead. Not a huge amount of time, but definitely not being oneshot from 100HP.

Oh! Fair enough. I wonder whether I simply didn't notice the first damage, or accidentally pressed tab multiple times.

I did go back to check exactly what happened, but couldn't see any previous hits in the log (only the two misses). Is there a way to get more detailed information on the game?

Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 06:19 by Odds

and into wrote:Oh, I agree, it might be very hard to make ammo management fun, and I don't like ranged combat very much overall for reasons similar to yours.

But if there is any niche in current design space that ranged combat occupies, then it is, "limited use based on ammo drops." If you take that away, I have a hard time seeing how you can justify its continued existence in the game. (But I freely admit that I might just be unimaginative )

Interesting. I would have thought that the niche is "killing things from far away" - without MP restrictions, but (in some way) not as effective as up close.

Having mulled on it overnight, I thought I'd just clarify a little what annoys me - it's not about two extra key presses to switch weapons. It's that moment when you see a threat that isn't totally trivial, but also couldn't kill you. Maybe a lone orc on D:4. Having identified it as such, most characters can just kill it with no fuss - you aren't going to buff or do anything unusual. But a ranged character has to think "Can I kill this safely with a 0 skill whip? Can I kill it with a 0 skill whip after softening it up? If I get worried while using the whip, do I have time to switch to my real weapon?". I don't find those decisions fun. I think the reason for that is that the normal and best possible outcome of them is that you kill something you were always going kill.

Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 06:34 by amalloy

Odds wrote:
amalloy wrote:Actually it wasn't in one turn. You were at full health (101), and then he hit you two times in a single turn (because of haste), bringing you down to 66. Then you shot him again, and he missed you twice, then you shot him again, and he hit you two more times, killing you. Also your attack delay was at 1.1 turns with the crossbow, so you actually had a full 3.3 turns between being at full health and being dead. Not a huge amount of time, but definitely not being oneshot from 100HP.

Oh! Fair enough. I wonder whether I simply didn't notice the first damage, or accidentally pressed tab multiple times.

I did go back to check exactly what happened, but couldn't see any previous hits in the log (only the two misses). Is there a way to get more detailed information on the game?

I asked Sequell where to find your ttyrec, via

Code:: !lg Odds koam killer=asterion 1 -ttyrec

which gave me the link http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Odds/ ... ttyrec.bz2. I downloaded that, unzipped it (with bunzip2), and fed it to a ttyrec player (I like ipbt). Then I fast-forwarded to the end of your game and watched it frame by frame, rewinding when I missed something.

Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 06:50 by Odds

What a surprising system for finding replays

YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!!

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!!

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Re: YASD: KoAM - Ouch!!! Also a whinge about ranged combat.

Who is online