CIP DECJ^Dith: Which book; pain weapon ?s

Monday, 4th July 2016, 23:25 by MainiacJoe

This character has finished L:8 and O:2. Notable finds are a blowgun of evasion, +1 ring mail {rElec rF+++ MR+ Dex-2} a lajatang of pain lying on the ground in L:7, and a dagger of pain in O:2. For most of the game, though, I’ve only had the starting book and a Fen Folio. I was glad to get Corpse Rot from this latter book to allow me to train Necromancy for the lajatang, but otherwise it just didn’t seem focused enough to justify spending a lot of XP for just one or two high-level spells. So I’ve been training defenses and Staves, and was fortunate enough to get a book shop on O:2—Frost, Sky, Warp, Beasts, Geomancy, Air, Cantrips and Necronomicon. Which ones should I buy?

Summons (+1 Apt):
Fen Folio (owned): Forest, Hydra
Frost (490): Ice Beast
Sky (910): Spire
Beasts (770): Sputterflies, Canine, Ice Beast, Mana Viper
Necronomicon (1545): Haunt
Cantrips (280): Spammals

Air (+0 Apt):
Sky (910): Spire, Airstrike, Silence, Defl Miss, Coj Ball Lightning, Tornado
Air (490): Shock, Switfness, Repel Miss, Static Discharge, Lightning Bolt

Earth (+1 Apt):
Fen Folio (owned): Stone Arrow, Leda’s
Geomancy (490): Sandblast, Passwall, Petrify, LRD

I have 2049 gp. I'm torn between Geomancy (Passwall, Petrify + LRD, and I already have Leda's) and saving money--or Air + Sky (Swiftness, Bolt spell, DeflMiss, Silence, CBL -- I have rElec on my ring mail). The Earth spells will probably be enough by themselves for Swamp and Snake, but the two Air books are enough for the rest of the game. Maybe Geomancy and Air, save Sky for later?

Concerning the lajatang and dagger of pain, I’m still feeling somewhat vulnerable in melee despite training defenses as much as I have. Hopefully some headgear and boots will spawn soon (Gastronok is on L:2 but I don’t feel ready to take him on yet, otherwise none of these aux armours yet). I used it on O:2 for orc warriors and weaker and it went well, but I’m wary of biting off more than I can chew. I have a fairly good sense of what I can and can’t take on when with melee-centric characters, but much less experience with fragile characters like this. How do you decide when you spend MP and when to melee to kill stuff?

Also, how much Necromancy ought I train, if for now I only really use the school for the pain weapons?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file. MainiacJoe the Spry (Deep Elf Conjurer) Turns: 42766, Time: 04:50:22 Health: 95/95 AC: 13 Str: 15 XL: 15 Next: 68% Magic: 30/30 EV: 22 Int: 27 God: Dithmenos [******] Gold: 2084 SH: 5 Dex: 18 Spells: 7 memorised, 11 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis . b - +1 lajatang (pain) rCold . . . Gourm . y - +1 ring mail of the Gravedigger {rElec rF+++ MR+ Dex-2} rNeg . . . Faith . (shield currently unavailable) rPois . Spirit . (no helmet) rElec + Dismiss . d - +1 cloak {MR+} rCorr . Reflect + z - +3 pair of gloves of Buewk {Str+5} SustAt . Harm . (no boots) MR +++.. r - +5 amulet of reflection Stlth ++++++.... o - +5 ring of dexterity {=R} x - +5 ring of strength @: wreathed by umbra, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy A: no striking features a: Shadow Step, Shadow Form, Renounce Religion You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Dithmenos. Dithmenos is exalted by your worship. You are hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 23 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer, Ossuary and Volcano. You have collected 2084 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +2 blowgun of evasion {Sonja} b - a +1 lajatang of pain (weapon) s - a +2 rapier of piercing w - a +2 dagger of pain H - a +0 quarterstaff of freezing Missiles f - 145 poisoned needles v - 26 tomahawks (quivered) E - 5 throwing nets L - 7 curare-tipped needles Armour d - a +1 cloak of magic resistance (worn) y - the +1 ring mail of the Gravedigger (worn) {rElec rF+++ MR+ Dex-2} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your dexterity (-2). It renders you almost immune to fire. It insulates you from electricity. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. z - the +3 pair of gloves of Buewk (worn) {Str+5} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your strength (+5). Jewellery o - a +5 ring of dexterity (right hand) {=R} r - a +5 amulet of reflection (around neck) u - an uncursed ring of poison resistance x - a +5 ring of strength (left hand) S - an uncursed ring of ice X - an uncursed ring of protection from magic Wands m - a wand of teleportation (8/9) p - a wand of slowing (22/48) G - a wand of lightning {zapped: 3} V - a wand of iceblast (10/15) Scrolls h - 6 scrolls of recharging D - 3 scrolls of blinking F - 5 scrolls of teleportation K - 13 scrolls of remove curse P - a scroll of fog R - 2 scrolls of fear Potions c - a potion of cure mutation g - 7 potions of lignification i - 10 potions of heal wounds j - 2 potions of invisibility k - a potion of magic q - 3 potions of might t - 12 potions of curing A - 2 potions of cancellation B - 2 potions of haste J - 3 potions of ambrosia Y - a potion of agility Miscellaneous e - a phantom mirror U - a phial of floods Comestibles n - 9 fruits O - 11 royal jellies Skills: + Level 11.4 Fighting - Level 8.3 Short Blades + Level 9.3 Staves - Level 3.3 Armour * Level 15.1 Dodging - Level 8.0 Stealth Level 4.4 Shields - Level 9.2 Spellcasting - Level 10.3 Conjurations - Level 8.5 Hexes - Level 9.6 Charms - Level 7.3 Necromancy - Level 1.3 Invocations - Level 0.2 Evocations You have 11 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None b - Searing Ray Conj ###### 1% 2 None c - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ######.. 1% 3 None d - Iskenderun's Mystic Conj ######.. 1% 4 #...... e - Fulminant Prism Conj/Hex ######.... 1% 4 #...... f - Iskenderun's Battles Conj/Chrm ######.. 4% 5 ####... g - Corpse Rot Necr N/A 1% 2 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (8/8) D:11 Swamp (0/4) Lair:4 Snake (0/4) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Orc (2/2) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:2 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:5 ( Orc:2 ?:[*( Portals: Trove: D:11 (give +3 shadow dragon armour) Annotations: D:3 exclusion: downstairs D:10 Erolcha Lair:2 Gastronok Lair:7 exclusion: 2 downstairs Message History You start removing your armour. You continue taking off your +2 robe of cold resistance. x4 You finish taking off your +2 robe of cold resistance. You feel less resistant to cold. You drop a +2 robe of cold resistance. Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on the +1 ring mail of the Gravedigger {rElec rF+++ MR+ Dex-2}. x4 You finish putting on the +1 ring mail of the Gravedigger {rElec rF+++ MR+ Dex-2}. Unknown command. Drop what? 48/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop the +1 robe of the Four Beggars {rPois rC- Regen+ Str-5}. You drop a +2 buckler. You drop a +0 leather armour. You drop a +1 robe of fire resistance. You drop a +2 robe of positive energy. Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Your +0 quarterstaff of freezing stops glowing. A searing pain shoots up your arm! b - a +1 lajatang of pain (weapon) Saving game... please wait. ### #### ####>##### #..## #........## # ##..###.........## ## #..##...........####. ##......(.......##..# #..#..............## ##......@........## #..............## ####..............# ###.##............### #.##...##..<....P## .....##.###....### ....#.### ####.## ...#### #..# ...# #.## ..## ###.## #.# ##....# ### #.....# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Maud (Lair:7) 2 orc warlords Snorg (Lair:5) Josephine (D:11) Harold (Lair:2) 8 hydras Fannar (Lair:2) An ogre mage (Orc:2) 9 death yaks An orc high priest (Orc:2) 12 spriggans (Lair:8) Nergalle (Orc:2) Sonja (Lair:1) 2 hill giants 5 griffons 3 orc sorcerers (Orc:2) An ugly thing (D:11) 10 oklob plants (Lair:1) 4 orc knights A cyclops (Orc:2) A salamander (Lair:1) An eye of devastation (Lair:7) Psyche (D:11) 13 elephants 17 spiny frogs 5 black mambas 2 centaur skeletons 3 gargoyles (D:11) A torpor snail (Lair:6) A kobold demonologist (D:11) 9 komodo dragons 5 rime drakes 2 spriggan druids (Lair:8) 12 polar bears A queen bee (Lair:3) 4 trolls 4 two-headed ogres 31 blink frogs A boulder beetle (Lair:7) 6 redbacks 6 wraiths A shadow (D:11) 50 yaks 2 fire bats (Volcano) 10 hippogriffs A hungry ghost (D:11) 3 wyverns 5 basilisks 3 wargs Duvessa (D:6) 16 porcupines 34 orc warriors 23 water moccasins 7 black bears 5 sky beasts 2 eyes of draining 2 phantoms 2 wasps (Lair:8) A necrophage (D:11) An ice beast (D:5) 16 ogres 28 wolves 24 crocodiles 3 centaurs 5 big kobolds 19 giant frogs Dowan (D:6) 16 killer bees 16 wights 3 vampire bats (Lair:3) 4 howler monkeys 2 electric eels 6 bog bodies (Ossuary) 10 crimson imps 9 giant frog zombies 3 giant frog skeletons 7 centaur zombies 4 hounds 6 jellies A quasit (D:10) 17 orc priests 25 orc wizards Crazy Yiuf (D:5) 3 iguanas 5 worker ants 2 killer bee zombies 29 sheep 2 hound zombies 2 hound skeletons 8 mummies (Ossuary) 3 worker ant zombies 3 gnolls (D:3) 123 river rats 15 adders 4 shadow imps 6 oozes 3 adder zombies An adder skeleton (D:9) 2 worms 3 dart slugs 9 giant geckos 56 orcs 2 bat zombies (D:6) 7 giant cockroaches 9 goblins 6 hobgoblins 6 jackals 7 quokkas 4 ball pythons 11 bats A giant cockroach zombie (D:5) 2 giant gecko zombies (Ossuary) 4 giant newts 3 jackal zombies (Ossuary) 30 kobolds 2 quokka skeletons 2 quokka zombies 13 rats 4 rat zombies 2 fungi 36 plants 2 withered plants (Ossuary) 1019 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 133 fulminant prisms 67 fungi 42 plants 4 withered plants (Ossuary) 246 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1265 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | MainiacJoe the Deep Elf Conjurer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6 187 | D:1 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 249 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 6/8 253 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Searing Ray 753 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 7/11 758 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray 801 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 1321 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 16/24 MP: 3/14 1330 | D:3 | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 1402 | D:3 | Found a glowing drain. 1457 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 1552 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 1573 | Sewer | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 1/15 1579 | Sewer | Learned a level 4 spell: Fulminant Prism 1960 | Sewer | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 2042 | Sewer | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 2640 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 24/32 MP: 13/17 2976 | D:3 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 2982 | D:3 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 3101 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4279 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4521 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Dithmenos the Shadowed 4670 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 11/18 4704 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4709 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 4957 | D:5 | Found Xyth's Weapon Boutique. 5780 | D:4 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/41 MP: 3/19 5787 | D:4 | Learned a level 5 spell: Iskenderun's Battlesphere 6471 | D:5 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 6477 | D:5 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 6582 | D:6 | Reached skill level 3 in Dodging 6582 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 6782 | D:6 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 6828 | D:6 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 6838 | D:6 | Reached * piety under Dithmenos 7100 | D:6 | Noticed Duvessa 7100 | D:6 | Noticed Dowan 7115 | D:6 | Killed Duvessa 7308 | D:6 | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging 7308 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 7578 | D:6 | Killed Dowan 7907 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 8114 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 15/20 8116 | D:7 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 8125 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 8519 | Ossuary | Reached ** piety under Dithmenos 8756 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging 9425 | D:7 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 10078 | D:7 | Reached skill level 7 in Dodging 10325 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Dodging 10508 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 10794 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 53/53 MP: 9/21 10993 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Dithmenos 11375 | D:9 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 12062 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 12612 | D:10 | Noticed Erolcha 12679 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 12683 | D:10 | Reached **** piety under Dithmenos 12859 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 12865 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 13319 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13444 | D:11 | Noticed Psyche 13446 | D:11 | Killed Psyche 13483 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 66/66 MP: 3/22 13674 | D:11 | Noticed Josephine 13681 | D:11 | Killed Josephine 13838 | D:11 | Reached ***** piety under Dithmenos 14013 | D:11 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations 14387 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 15174 | D:11 | Reached skill level 9 in Dodging 15224 | D:11 | Noticed a purple ugly thing 15252 | D:11 | Killed a purple ugly thing 15495 | D:11 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure. 15711 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 15750 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 16199 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 16545 | D:12 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 69/76 MP: 6/23 17013 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 17015 | Lair:1 | Got a pair of distressingly furry gloves 17021 | Lair:1 | Identified the +3 pair of gloves of Buewk {Str+5} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 17128 | Lair:1 | Noticed Sonja 17172 | Lair:1 | Killed Sonja 17353 | Lair:1 | Found a dark tunnel. 17354 | Lair:1 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 17504 | Lair:1 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 17504 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 17574 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 18008 | Lair:1 | Got a pitted leather armour 18023 | Lair:1 | Identified the +1 leather armour of Resourcefulness {Int-2 Dex+8} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 19167 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 19777 | Lair:1 | Got a brightly glowing ring mail 19791 | Lair:1 | Identified the +1 ring mail of the Gravedigger {rElec rF+++ MR+ Dex-2} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 19965 | Lair:2 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 19977 | Lair:2 | Killed a six-headed hydra 19977 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 11 in Dodging 20199 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 20391 | Lair:2 | Noticed Gastronok 20539 | Lair:2 | Noticed Harold 20568 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 83/83 MP: 19/27 20672 | Lair:2 | Noticed Fannar 21422 | Lair:2 | Killed Fannar 21850 | Lair:2 | Killed Harold 23494 | Lair:3 | Got a steaming falchion 23495 | Lair:3 | Identified the cursed +0 falchion of Insufficient Pleasure {slice, +Blink rC+ Int+6} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 24284 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 24348 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 24535 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 25431 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Dodging 25578 | Lair:5 | Noticed Snorg 25754 | Lair:5 | Killed Snorg 25879 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 26638 | Lair:6 | Reached ****** piety under Dithmenos 27495 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 90/90 MP: 6/29 28639 | Lair:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 28850 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Staves 29980 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot 30247 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 31008 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Staves 31115 | Lair:7 | Noticed Maud 31135 | Lair:7 | Killed Maud 31339 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 31984 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 32074 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 33885 | Lair:8 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 34301 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Dodging 34373 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 94/94 MP: 17/30 35524 | Lair:8 | Got a bloodstained robe 35535 | Lair:8 | Identified the +1 robe of the Four Beggars {rPois rC- Regen+ Str-5} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 36325 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 14 in Dodging 36325 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 36974 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 37784 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 38083 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 38114 | Orc:1 | Killed an orc warlord 39384 | Orc:2 | Found Yfoig's Magic Scroll Shop. 39929 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 40093 | Orc:2 | Noticed Nergalle 40867 | Orc:2 | Killed Nergalle 41079 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 41100 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 41642 | Orc:2 | Killed an orc warlord 41809 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 42272 | Orc:2 | Found Jerrunek's Antique Weapon Shop. 42294 | Orc:2 | Found Suxtarph's Antique Armour Shop. 42312 | Orc:2 | Found Kajeco's Book Shop. 42323 | Orc:2 | Found Jizuekhlo's General Store. Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 | ---------------+----------------------------------------------+----- Spellcasting | 4 6 8 9 | 9.2 Conjurations | 5 6 7 9 10 | 10.3 Hexes | 2 4 8 | 8.5 Charms | 6 9 | 9.6 Dodging | 5 8 9 11 12 13 15 | 15.1 Shields | 2 3 4 | 4.4 Fighting | 2 6 9 10 11 | 11.4 Stealth | 5 8 | 8.0 Armour | 1 3 | 3.3 Short Blades | 7 8 | 8.3 Staves | 7 9 | 9.3 Necromancy | 7 | 7.3 Invocations | 1 | 1.3 Evocations | | 0.2 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Club | 1 | | | | || 1 Spear | 9 | 39 | | | || 48 Rapier | | | 175 | 202 | 309 || 686 Lajatang | | | | | 448 || 448 Fire: Blowgun | | 1 | 3 | | 367 || 371 Throw: Tomahawk | | | | | 10 || 10 Cast: Magic Dart | 49 | 45 | 46 | 145 | 176 || 461 Searing Ray | 7 | 24 | 53 | 85 | 184 || 353 Iskenderun's Myst | | 5 | 29 | 46 | 149 || 229 Fulminant Prism | | 2 | 23 | 49 | 59 || 133 Dazzling Spray | | 1 | 6 | 15 | 44 || 66 Iskenderun's Batt | | | 5 | 34 | 64 || 103 Corpse Rot | | | | | 3 || 3 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | | 1 || 3 Use: Scroll | 7 | 5 | 14 | 10 | 17 || 53 Potion | | 2 | 1 | | 4 || 7 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 6 || 18 Distracted | | | | 3 | 2 || 5 Invisible | | | | 1 | 6 || 7 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 11 | 12 | 25 | 66 || 115 Meat ration | | | 3 | 1 | 3 || 7 Royal jelly | | | | 6 | 1 || 7 Bread ration | | | | 1 | || 1 Pizza | | | | 1 | || 1 Armor: Robe | | 12 | 29 | 27 | || 68 Ring mail | | | | 9 | 193 || 202 Dodge: Dodged | 11 | 38 | 114 | 212 | 1145 || 1520 Block: Buckler | | | 59 | 222 | 322 || 603 Other | | | 2 | | 175 || 177 Reflection | | | | 5 | 6 || 11

Tuesday, 5th July 2016, 03:47 by Airwolf

Beasts is probably the best choice if you can stand summoning. Geomancy for LRD would take longer to get online, but might be worth it.

Spend MP on everything that isn't trivial. (E.g. plain orcs should be trivial [unless using a nasty branded weapon].) Retreat to refresh MP.

Don't train more Necromancy without a good spell to use it for.

Tuesday, 5th July 2016, 04:15 by rchandra

Get Ozocubu's armour from Frost. Not sure if icicle replacing IMB is a good idea or not. (edit: didn't notice the ring mail. I'm reasonably sure you're better off with say rF robe + ozos though)

I like having a bolt, but Lightning can be noisy and annoying. But certainly I'd rather go for all the Air stuff than just getting Stone Arrow / LRD.

8-10 Necromancy makes the pain weapon pretty great (elec level or better), when you want to hit things. Don't get more unless you need it for other spells.

Tuesday, 5th July 2016, 12:34 by MainiacJoe

Re Ozo's, I asked in the Hat of Pondering thread how bad the movement delay of the new Ozo's is. From that thread I concluded that I don't really grok the penalty of ponderousness, so I'm wary of this spell for now.

Tuesday, 5th July 2016, 13:57 by Sandman25

Unlike pondering Ozo is good because you don't explore with it active so you still have normal speed and can run away. Just make sure you don't cast it near unexplored territory.

Tuesday, 5th July 2016, 14:16 by goodcoolguy

That ring mail is a deceptively bad piece of equipment. If you're going to forgo ozo's for heavier armor, you need to be getting some real AC out of it. That stuff does not deliver. Resistances simply aren't as good as AC.

On the lajatang, not that there's anything you can do about it now, but I think you made a mistake not going for the dagger and a buckler instead.

As far as spells, personally, given the investment you've put into conjurations and int already, I'd continue in the direct damage direction. Air is the way to go. The summons available are a bit thin for a summons only build and they conflict with your existing conjurations investments.

Tuesday, 5th July 2016, 14:34 by MainiacJoe

Thanks. I don't feel bad about the lajatang, since when I found it I was deep in Lair with only a vorpal rapier and a +2 buckler (you can see that I trained the Short Blades and Shields some). It wasn't until the end of Orc that I found the pain dagger, right before this dump. That was also when I found the frost book FWIW.

Tuesday, 5th July 2016, 15:08 by MainiacJoe

Yeah, Ozo's plus +2 robe MR+ is definitely better than the ring mail, and I get 2 Dex back, too.

IMB vs Throw Icicle, IMB is more accurate and damage is about the same. IMB acc 10 + P/7, damage 2d(6+P/6) ~ 7 + P/12. TI acc 9 + P/12, damage 3d(10/3 + P/6) ~ 6.5 + P/12. Plus IMB can explode.

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CIP DECJ^Dith: Which book; pain weapon ?s

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