Now YAVP : MfAK^Lucy

[mopl]

Very lucky character : I found an amazing +13 chain mail, a SInv helmet, and even some -3 boots I do wear... Should I also talk about the +5AC/+6EV rings ?

Now I can use either a bardiche or a dtrident... There's a rC shield somewhere, dtrident allows to save some XP, but Mf can afford training Polearms to 26... And I luckily brand my bardiche to flame, so hydras aren't a reason to swap weapon (I banished all of them before flame brand...)

What weapon would you use ? I consider distorting the dtrident and save it as a swap...

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-892-g8a19e52 (webtiles) character file.

hypermopl the Impaler (Merfolk Abyssal Knight)     Turns: 17429, Time: 00:49:50

Health: 94/111     AC: 35    Str: 16    XL:     14   Next: 56%
Magic:  23/23      EV: 20    Int: 12    God:    Lugonu [******]
Gold:   932        SH:  0    Dex: 23    Spells: 0 memorised, 13 levels left

rFire  + . .      SeeInvis +    a - +0 bardiche (flame)
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    E - +13 chain mail of Birdsong {rPois rF+ rCorr}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    S - +1 helmet {SInv}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    f - +2 cloak
rCorr  +          Reflect  .    w - +2 pair of gloves
SustAt .          Harm     .    O - -3 pair of boots of the Louse {rElec rC+ Str+3 Dex+6}
MR     +....                    o - amulet of regeneration
Stlth  ..........               q - +6 ring of evasion
                                k - +5 ring of protection {=R!d}

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: change form in water, swift swim
a: Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter the Abyss, Brand Weapon
With Distortion, Renounce Religion


You are on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Lugonu.
Lugonu is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Labyrinth.

You have collected 1669 gold pieces.
You have spent 737 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +0 bardiche of flaming (weapon)
 b - a +0 blowgun
 J - a +4 demon trident
Missiles
 e - 15 tomahawks
 i - 5 javelins (quivered)
 l - 60 poisoned needles
 R - 14 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 f - a +2 cloak (worn)
 w - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 E - the +13 chain mail of Birdsong (worn) {rPois rF+ rCorr}
   (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 O - the -3 pair of boots of the Louse (worn) {rElec rC+ Str+3 Dex+6}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+6).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
 S - a +1 helmet of see invisible (worn)
Rods
 C - a +3 iron rod (10/10)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
Jewellery
 k - a +5 ring of protection (left hand) {=R!d}
 o - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 q - a +6 ring of evasion (right hand)
 B - an uncursed ring of flight
Wands
 r - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 3}
 t - a wand of iceblast
 v - a wand of digging
 y - a wand of lightning
 D - a wand of enslavement
 L - a wand of slowing {zapped: 8}
 P - a wand of disintegration
Scrolls
 g - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 h - 6 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 2 scrolls of fog
 n - a scroll of enchant armour
 s - a scroll of immolation {!r}
 M - 2 scrolls labeled UCHAICHECW
 N - 2 scrolls labeled GOARHA KIFUA
 Q - a scroll of blinking
 V - a scroll of acquirement
 W - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
Potions
 d - a potion of invisibility
 p - 5 potions of heal wounds
 x - 3 potions of lignification {!q}
 z - 3 potions of flight
 A - 2 potions of agility
 F - 4 potions of might
 G - 8 potions of curing
 H - 4 potions of haste
 I - 2 potions of resistance
 X - a potion of berserk rage {!q}
 Y - 2 potions of ambrosia
 Z - 4 potions of cancellation
Comestibles
 c - 24 bread rations
 m - a meat ration
 u - 5 chunks of flesh


   Skills:
 + Level 10.3 Fighting
 * Level 19.0 Polearms
 + Level 8.3 Throwing
 + Level 6.4 Armour
 + Level 11.8 Dodging
 - Level 12.0 Invocations
 + Level 3.7 Evocations


You have 13 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (13/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6            Lair (5/6) D:8
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:2        Snake (0/4) Lair:3          Orc (0/2) D:11
 Vaults (0/5) D:13       
 Slime: Lair:5-6   

Altars:
Makhleb
The Shining One

Shops:
D:6 !

Annotations:
D:10 rC
Lair:4 corrupted
Abyss:1 Joseph, Prince Ribbit

Message History

J - an enchanted demon trident
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Your +0 bardiche of flaming stops flaming.
J - a +4 demon trident (weapon)
Your +0 bardiche of flaming bursts into flame!
a - a +0 bardiche of flaming (weapon)
M - 2 scrolls labeled UCHAICHECW (gained 1)
A water moccasin comes into view.
The water moccasin hisses angrily.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
The water moccasin misses you.
Your chain mail of Birdsong prevents you from hitting the water moccasin.
The water moccasin barely misses you.
You miss the water moccasin.
The water moccasin completely misses you.
The water moccasin barely misses you.
You slice the water moccasin!! You burn the water moccasin!
You kill the water moccasin!
Lugonu accepts your kill.
No target in view!

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There are no monsters in sight!

[Sandman25]

Why do you need distortion when you have bardiche?

[rchandra]

I would wield the scroll of acquirement, and read it. If none of your other scrolls are enchant or brand weapon, weapon would be a tempting acquirement. If they are brand, probably use the dtrident for now.

[Siegurt]

Why do you need distortion when you have bardiche?

There are some limited situations in which dtrident^disto is better, of course you shouldn't let yourself be in many or any of those situations, but that doesn't mean the op won't be.

[Sandman25]

There are some limited situations in which dtrident^disto is better, of course you shouldn't let yourself be in many or any of those situations, but that doesn't mean the op won't be.

Can you please provide an example? Hill Giant?

Edit. I think I found an example. Attacking high MR or just dangerous monsters like Orc Sorcerer with reaching while it is still behind another monster.

[mopl]

The flaming bardiche was very good for all the game, I just disto-ed it for the ascension (and it did banish a panlord)...

An easy game overall, I never needed Lucy escape tools and only banished some foes early on. I had some very nice gear but found no MR before Elf:3 and Crypt... Being confused by a single orc wizard at this state of the game sucks...

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-905-ge5e6a15 (webtiles) character file.

3095552 hypermopl the Phalangite (level 27, 231/231 HPs)
             Began as a Merfolk Abyssal Knight on July 4, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Lugonu.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 5 runes on July 5, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 03:53:12 (74284 turns).

hypermopl the Phalangite (Merfolk Abyssal Knight)  Turns: 74284, Time: 03:53:13

Health: 231/231    AC: 43    Str: 16      XL:     27
Magic:  21/21      EV: 28    Int: 18 (20) God:    Lugonu [******]
Gold:   3236       SH:  0    Dex: 22      Spells: 11 memorised, 10 levels left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    a - +9 bardiche (distort) {!w}
rCold  + + +      Gourm    .    E - +13 chain mail of Birdsong {rPois rF+ rCorr}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    S - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  +          Dismiss  +    f - +2 cloak "Anyuthra" {Dex+3}
rCorr  +          Reflect  .    w - +3 pair of gloves of the Alphagorgon {rElec rC++}
SustAt .          Harm     .    i - +2 pair of boots of the Assassin {DetectMon Stab+ Stlth++}
MR     ++++.                    r - amulet of Xom's Recklessness {Dismiss rF++ MR+ MP-9 Stlth+}
Stlth  ++........               T - ring of Wuczeur {rC++ MR+ Int+7}
                                q - +6 ring of evasion

@: repel missiles, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: change form in water, swift swim, rugged brown scales 1, deterioration 1,
dopey 1, low mp 1
a: Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter the Abyss, Renounce
Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 5/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy, silver, abyssal


You escaped.
You worshipped Lugonu.
Lugonu was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 57 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 2 times.
You visited 1 bazaar.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Wizlab.

You collected 9518 gold pieces.
You spent 6282 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 bardiche of distortion (weapon) {!w}
Missiles
 e - 45 tomahawks
 x - 4 tomahawks of dispersal
 J - 5 javelins (quivered)
Armour
 f - the +2 cloak "Anyuthra" (worn) {Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 i - the +2 pair of boots of the Assassin (worn) {DetectMon Stab+ Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 w - the +3 pair of gloves of the Alphagorgon (worn) {rElec rC++}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
 E - the +13 chain mail of Birdsong (worn) {rPois rF+ rCorr}
   (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 S - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
Rods
 s - a +9 rod of inaccuracy (11/11) {!a}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)
 C - a +4 iron rod (12/12)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
Jewellery
 k - a +5 ring of protection
 q - a +6 ring of evasion (left hand)
 r - the amulet of Xom's Recklessness (around neck) {Dismiss rF++ MR+ MP-9 Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 5 of the Depths)   
   
   [amulet of dismissal]
   
   It may teleport away creatures that harm you.
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It affects your magic capacity (-9).
   It makes you more stealthy.
 y - the ring "Obyats" {rCorr MR+ Stlth+}
   (You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of resist corrosion]
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 T - the ring of Wuczeur (right hand) {rC++ MR+ Int+7}
   (You took it off a deep elf high priest on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+7).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Wands
 l - a wand of teleportation (6/9)
 u - a wand of disintegration (4/24)
 v - a wand of digging (9/24)
 V - a wand of hasting (7/9)
Scrolls
 b - a scroll of silence {!r}
 g - 19 scrolls of remove curse
 h - 12 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 5 scrolls of fog
 t - 3 scrolls of identify
 K - 3 scrolls of summoning
 L - 3 scrolls of vulnerability
 N - 18 scrolls of fear
 Q - 8 scrolls of blinking
 W - 11 scrolls of magic mapping
Potions
 d - 4 potions of invisibility
 p - 7 potions of heal wounds
 z - 10 potions of flight
 A - 5 potions of agility
 F - 3 potions of might
 G - 24 potions of curing
 H - 5 potions of haste
 I - 4 potions of resistance
 O - a potion of brilliance
 X - 3 potions of berserk rage {!q}
 Y - 4 potions of ambrosia
 Z - 5 potions of cancellation
Books
 o - a book of Dreams   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Ensorcelled Hibernation      Hexes/Ice                     2
    b - Silence                      Hexes/Air                     5
    c - Darkness                     Hexes                         6
    d - Shadow Creatures             Summoning                     6
Miscellaneous
 m - a fan of gales
 n - 6 phantom mirrors
 B - a phial of floods
 M - a lamp of fire
 P - 3 boxes of beasts
 R - a disc of storms
 U - 5 sacks of spiders
Comestibles
 c - 34 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 20.3 Fighting
 - Level 26.0 Polearms
 + Level 18.4 Throwing
 + Level 16.3 Armour
 + Level 21.5 Dodging
 * Level 13.1 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 13.0 Hexes
 - Level 10.0 Charms
 - Level 7.0 Summonings
 - Level 5.0 Necromancy
 - Level 11.0 Translocations
 - Level 13.0 Transmutations
 - Level 5.0 Air Magic
 - Level 7.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 15.0 Invocations
 - Level 10.0 Evocations


You had 10 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #####.....   1%          1    None
b - Song of Slaying       Chrm           #####...     2%          2    #......
c - Corpse Rot            Necr           N/A          21%         2    #......
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    #......
f - Portal Projectile     Tloc           #####.       3%          3    ##.....
g - Passage of Golubria   Tloc           N/A          12%         4    ####...
i - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ####..       10%         2    #......
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ####....     10%         2    #......
p - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #####.....   2%          2    #......
s - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ####....     8%          1    None
y - Yara's Violent Unrav  Hex/Tmut       ######....   14%         5    ######.


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:8
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (5/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
    Zot (5/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Dithmenos
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:6 !   Orc:2 ?!*   Elf:2 (   Elf:3 (   Snake:4 %   Vaults:2 =   Vaults:3 *
Depths:1 ?   Depths:5 =*(

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:2 Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:4

Annotations:
Lair:4 corrupted
Depths:4 ?BW + 3?EA
Abyss:1 Joseph, Prince Ribbit


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You revert to your normal form in water.
You are very nimble and swift while swimming.
You are partially covered in rugged brown scales. (AC +1, +3% HP)
Your body sometimes deteriorates upon taking damage.
You are dopey. (Int -2)
Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP)


Message History

Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f - crimson imp
Aim: a crimson imp
You reach to attack! You slice the crimson imp!!
You kill the crimson imp!
Lugonu accepts your kill.
No target in view!
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (L) Lair           (S) Swamp         
(P) Snake Pit      (M) Slime Pits     (O) Orcish Mines   (E) Elven Halls   
(V) Vaults         (C) Crypt          (W) Tomb           (U) Depths         
(H) Hell           (Z) Zot           
Where to? (Enter - D:1, ? - help)
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
HP restored.
A chaos spawn comes into view.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
Unknown command.
You have escaped!

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You could see a chaos spawn.


[Sandman25]

Congrats!

Lugonu is great for melee fighters in heavy armour when you have low MR. Confusion is indeed one of the worst things that can happen

[Siegurt]

There are some limited situations in which dtrident^disto is better, of course you shouldn't let yourself be in many or any of those situations, but that doesn't mean the op won't be.

Can you please provide an example? Hill Giant?

Edit. I think I found an example. Attacking high MR or just dangerous monsters like Orc Sorcerer with reaching while it is still behind another monster.

1. If you are in a situation where the critter is dangerous enough that dying to it before killing it is a possibility and you can't use your invocation to banish it, nor can you escape (not being able to escape from something like that shouldn't happen, but if you were let's say around a silent spectre and a wand of tele hadn't dropped, or you were a formacid on the bottom of a branch)

2. More plausibly you could use it against anything less dangerous at range than in melee, of course the same could be said of the bardiche with disto, but the dtrident will hit them more often, and since you don't want that effect on everything, it is good to have another weapon you can use.

3. As in your example, reaching over something harmless to try to banish something dangerous. (It is better to use a dtrident for this purpose, since it is faster than a bardiche) of course if you can just kill it faster enough with a bardiche, that might be optimal instead, although the difference in dps between a bardiche^disto and a dtrident^disto isn't really all that large